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Other/Miscellaneous => Off-Topic Discussion => Topic started by: Amaze on January 29, 2011, 07:52:29 AM
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Saw in the paper yesterday that Marty is shooting a movie next year called "The Irishman". And it will feature De Niro and Joe Pesci. There's also a rumor that Pacino and Harvey Keitel will star in it as well.
It's based on the story of the mob hitman Frank Sheerman who among other things was involved in the murder of Jimmy Hoffa.
That's all the info they had.
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http://deadline.com/2017/07/joe-pesci-the-irishman-al-pacino-robert-de-niro-martin-scorsese-deal-1202126751/
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Wow, that took a long time. I'll watch it.
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And the next one after, with Di C-3PO: http://variety.com/2017/film/news/martin-scorsese-development-killers-of-the-flower-moon-dante-ferretti-1202495680/
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I've just read the book. I'm curious to see how Scorsese will deal with the dark side of politics and the criminal ways the various unions worked. More than in his previous gangster movies here the equation: politicians=gangsters is quite apparent. The title of the book (I Heard You Paint Houses) are the very first words Hoffa spoke to the Irishman. The explanation of the Kennedy's assassination as a favour to Hoffa (and how it came to be that Ruby had to deal with Oswald), the murder of both Crazy Joe Gallo and Hoffa himself are given a quite credible explanation. Of course, can't wait for the movie.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfr44G1KJmc&feature=youtu.be
LMRIAO. (And I'm not Royal, not Irish, never been an empire).
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They took the word "teaser" way too literally.
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That was a waste of a trailer... :-[
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That was a waste of a trailer... :-[
;D
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Scorsese and De Niro conversation at Tribeca the other day. I have not found any videos of it, just articles about it.
https://apnews.com/d07f7374825b4d7fa7000229ada13513
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/28/movies/martin-scorsese-robert-de-niro-leonardo-dicaprio.html
https://deadline.com/2019/04/robert-de-niro-martin-scorsese-the-irishman-tribeca-film-festival-1202603448/
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/martin-scorsese-robert-de-niro-tribeca-film-festival-1203199832/
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I changed the subject of this thread to the movie's title, so it'll be more easily searchable
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The Irishman to get exclusive theatrical release for 4 weeks
https://apnews.com/0f7c7bc638aa4dc5a18623fa800c2c67
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And a confirmed 210 minute runtime!
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And a confirmed 210 minute runtime!
So . . . this will be Marty's OUATIA.
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The Irishman to get exclusive theatrical release for 4 weeks
https://apnews.com/0f7c7bc638aa4dc5a18623fa800c2c67
I checked this out to see when the film would play NYC theaters (since Drink and I are going on a date). I also came across this: https://www.indiewire.com/2019/08/the-irishman-release-date-netflix-theatrical-scorsese-1202168628/
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Reading a review of the movie after it was presented at a NYC festival (it will also be presented here in a few days at the film festival) I learned that Scorsese had first planned to do a movie based on this:
(https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1442888492l/164760.jpg)
So I was curious and started to read as soon as it was delivered not intending to really finish it today, just to have a general idea of what it was about. And couldn't stop, had to read it at a sitting. If somebody else will read it will understand why Scorsese was intrigued by it , actually some of the events were probably inspired by some of his movies. I suspect though that he went for the true crime book in the end because the finale is too banal, you know it from dozens of other novels and movies. Still I think that it makes for a wonderful thriller and one of the best mafia novels you may happen to come by. 9/10
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Interview at the NYFF with Scorsese, de Niro, Pacino, Pesci, and producers
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e4-Ko2KyPko
I only watched the first few minutes; something is wrong with Pesci, not sure if he is hard of hearing or what; when the interviewer asks him a question, he needs to have someone repeat it for him, and then he gives like a one-word answer.
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The Irishman to Play Broadway's Belasco Theatre for a month, starting November 1
https://apnews.com/5e57afa8e3aa4fc3986877dcbb7f6e96
http://www.playbill.com/article/martin-scorseses-the-irishman-to-play-broadways-belasco-theatre
https://deadline.com/2019/10/netflix-the-irishman-broadway-belasco-theatre-martin-scorsese-al-pacino-1202753643/
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Nov. 1 is a Friday, which I know is inconvenient for you. When would you like to go?
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Nov. 1 is a Friday, which I know is inconvenient for you. When would you like to go?
I can go to any nighttime showing (around 8:00 p.m. or later) Sunday through Wednesday.
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Press conference with Scorsese, De Niro, Pacino, and producers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMej9AXZT_A
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Scorsese, Pacino, and De Niro on CBS Sunday Morning
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6SppMAglmEM
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Got my ticket for Boston, December 16th 11AM!!! How bout you New Yorkers?
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Got my ticket for Boston, December 16th 11AM!!! How bout you New Yorkers?
Did not book tickets yet.
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Okay New Yorkers... how is it?
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I might see it today. The wife is keen.
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I might see it today. The wife is keen.
i hope it’s a DJ 10. We usually disagree, except for Leone and Scorsese
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I might see it today. The wife is keen.
DJ and I were supposed to see it together - he is cheating on me with his wife ;D
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Scorsese, Pacino, and De Niro on CBS Sunday Morning
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6SppMAglmEM
Interesting comment at the 8:15 mark on the state of the industry.
Gonna be a Netflix viewing for me I think.
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Sorry, Drink, Mrs. Jenkins just wouldn't wait. I told her I'd promised to go with you. She told me I had a difficult decision to make, and I'd better make the right choice, or there would be many cold nights in my future. I hope you'll understand.
I walked up to the Balasco box-office at 3pm to buy tickets for the 7pm show and had no trouble scoring Orchestra center seats 9 rows from the screen. I thought, huh, there must not be much demand. When I returned at 6:30 there was a line stretching down the block and a woman circulating telling everyone the show was a sell-out. One guy in line asked the woman if she could give a quick review. She said, "You kiddin'? It's Maaa-tee!" "That's the review?" "Yeah. Two words."
Inside there were people moving about with some kind of newspaper parody with the headline: "Where Is Hoffa?" Apparently these were available downstairs next to the concessions and toilets. I went down and the place was all promo'd up: there were 4 phony phone booths and two phony newspaper dispensers. You opened the dispensers and pulled out a copy of The Irishman Daily, an 8-page edition claiming to be from August 1, 1975. In addition to "articles" and "ads" that tied in to the events of the movie, but there were also what appears to be actual pieces from back in the day: a story that Billy Martin was coming to manage the Yankees, a notice that the MTA would be raising fares to 50 cents, an announcement that Springsteen's new album Born To Run would be released Aug. 25. Good fun.
The phony phone booths were set up with a video screen. When you stepped into the booth and lifted the receiver you heard dialog from the film while images of the movie played. People were posing in the booths while their friends snapped pictures--losers, every one. On a table there were 5 different 2-sided lobby cards available to cadge. Hey, all this extra promo material and the tickets were the standard NYC $15!
I tapped my radiator (before a 3 and half hour movie, natch) and headed back to my seat. A good thing as there was no intermission. There were two trailers and then they got right into it. Three-and-a-half hours later we finally got to the opening credits. The lights came up and I turned to a red-eyed Mrs. Jenkins and said, "That was a loooooong film, eh?" She did not reply. We staggered out of the theater and found ourselves back on 44th and 6th Ave. It was only 4 blocks to Grand Central Terminal. There was an express waiting when we arrived. We were home before midnight, and we were exhausted.
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Sorry, Drink, Mrs. Jenkins just wouldn't wait. I told her I'd promised to go with you. She told me I had a difficult decision to make, and I'd better make the right choice, or there would be many cold nights in my future. I hope you'll understand.
No worries. Glad you had fun. Catch you next time :)
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Sorry, Drink, Mrs. Jenkins just wouldn't wait. I told her I'd promised to go with you. She told me I had a difficult decision to make, and I'd better make the right choice, or there would be many cold nights in my future. I hope you'll understand.
I walked up to the Balasco box-office at 3pm to buy tickets for the 7pm show and had no trouble scoring Orchestra center seats 9 rows from the screen. I thought, huh, there must not be much demand. When I returned at 6:30 there was a line stretching down the block and a woman circulating telling everyone the show was a sell-out. One guy in line asked the woman if she could give a quick review. She said, "You kiddin'? It's Maaa-tee!" "That's the review?" "Yeah. Two words."
Inside there were people moving about with some kind of newspaper parody with the headline: "Where Is Hoffa?" Apparently these were available downstairs next to the concessions and toilets. I went down and the place was all promo'd up: there were 4 phony phone booths and two phony newspaper dispensers. You opened the dispensers and pulled out a copy of The Irishman Daily, an 8-page edition claiming to be from August 1, 1975. In addition to "articles" and "ads" that tied in to the events of the movie, but there were also what appears to be actual pieces from back in the day: a story that Billy Martin was coming to manage the Yankees, a notice that the MTA would be raising fares to 50 cents, an announcement that Springsteen's new album Born To Run would be released Aug. 25. Good fun.
The phony phone booths were set up with a video screen. When you stepped into the booth and lifted the receiver you heard dialog from the film while images of the movie played. People were posing in the booths while their friends snapped pictures--losers, every one. On a table there were 5 different 2-sided lobby cards available to cadge. Hey, all this extra promo material and the tickets were the standard NYC $15!
I tapped my radiator (before a 3 and half hour movie, natch) and headed back to my seat. A good thing as there was no intermission. There were two trailers and then they got right into it. Three-and-a-half hours later we finally got to the opening credits. The lights came up and I turned to a red-eyed Mrs. Jenkins and said, "That was a loooooong film, eh?" She did not reply. We staggered out of the theater and found ourselves back on 44th and 6th Ave. It was only 4 blocks to Grand Central Terminal. There was an express waiting when we arrived. We were home before midnight, and we were exhausted.
RELEASE THE REVIEW.
There are no screenings in France for legal reasons. Only Netflix. Well, there was a single screening, with Marty himself (+Q&A) at the Cinematheque, but it was virtually impossible to book a seat if you aren't a member. So it will be a (long) Netflix evening for me.
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RELEASE THE REVIEW.
There are no screenings in France for legal reasons. Only Netflix. Well, there was a single screening, with Marty himself (+Q&A) at the Cinematheque, but it was virtually impossible to book a seat if you aren't a member. So it will be a (long) Netflix evening for me.
I probably wont be able to catch it either until after the 15th
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As apparently nobody here has seen it, so far, it is up to me to review it as first. For those who, like me, have read the book, it adds little storywise. Actually one wonders why in the end Sheeran isn't shown as finally dictating his memoirs and so one could wonder how the book and the movie based on it came to be. The interminable finale is the weakest part of the movie, absolutely useless and boring.But the whole movie itself adds little to the fame of Scorsese's gangster movies: although it keeps you interested for a whole 3 hours it doesn't have the spectacularity of Goodfellas (or even Casino's) and the only cinematically original moment (as I expected) is the murder of Joey Gallo (the short Gallo episode is the one which really makes the movie go up the grade). The problem with the movie is the lack of the nihilistic approach of Goodfellas, which allowed the director to show original characters and scenes. Here both the story ad the direction are faultless but lacking that something more of the movies I quoted above. The choice of songs by Robertson doesn't help, by the way: they put you to sleep, mostly. Still I put this over Casino because it has no female subplot, thank God. 8/10
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Article about the fight between Netflix and major-theater owners over the exhibiting of The Irishman – it isn't being shown in major theaters because of a fight over how long the theaters would get exclusivity before Netflix began streaming it.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/netflix-theater-chains-feud-over-201132345.html
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As apparently nobody here has seen it, so far, it is up to me to review it as first. For those who, like me, have read the book, it adds little storywise. Actually one wonders why in the end Sheeran isn't shown as finally dictating his memoirs and so one could wonder how the book and the movie based on it came to be. The interminable finale is the weakest part of the movie, absolutely useless and boring.But the whole movie itself adds little to the fame of Scorsese's gangster movies: although it keeps you interested for a whole 3 hours it doesn't have the spectacularity of Goodfellas (or even Casino's) and the only cinematically original moment (as I expected) is the murder of Joey Gallo (the short Gallo episode is the one which really makes the movie go up the grade). The problem with the movie is the lack of the nihilistic approach of Goodfellas, which allowed the director to show original characters and scenes. Here both the story ad the direction are faultless but lacking that something more of the movies I quoted above. The choice of songs by Robertson doesn't help, by the way: they put you to sleep, mostly. Still I put this over Casino because it has no female subplot, thank God. 8/10
Pretty much every single word from this review is wrong, apart from the part about the music And the fact that the Gallo episode is indeed great.
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I saw the movie in a theater in Brooklyn.
This doesn't reach the level of any of Scorsese's other gangster films.
A lot of it feels inauthentic. Like de Niro's acting doesn't feel natural; it feels like a "performance." A good performance, but a performance nonetheless; this is not one of those acting jobs where the person just feels like he is the character. And those shoulder pads de Niro is wearing, making him look like a football player. Pacino, too, feels like a performance, not natural. And the hairpieces everyone is wearing, and the switching back and forth between the ages. This feels very much like it's "put on" rather than natural.
Some exceptions. Pesci is absolutely terrific in every way.
And (I assume everyone on this board has seen it, so I won't worry about spoiler alerts) in the prison scene at the end, Pesci is absolutely amazing. And Stephen Graham as Tony Pro is terrific, too.
The ending, with de Niro in the old-age home, being regretful, I suppose some might want to have scrapped; but for me, those scenes have the best acting by de Niro.
I agree with titoli that Sheeran should have been shown dictating his memoirs, making it clear that the movie is not taking a position on whether or not his "recollections" are accurate.
These were my impressions walking out of the theater.
I thought that maybe after watching the movie again, I may have a different opinion, that I'd get used to the things that bothered me. But I saw it again (on Netflix) and my opinion is the same.
Not a bad movie, but not as good as Mean Streets, Goodfellas, Casino, The Departed.
BTW, RE: the fish scene: https://heavy.com/entertainment/2019/11/chuckie-obrien-fish/
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That final half an hour is obviously what the movie is about, I don’t understand how anybody would want to cut it out. I mean you either dislike the movie as a whole or like the ending. Any other opinion is inconsistent, absurd.
It’s like saying “I like OUATITW but did these aging gunslingers really have to die?”
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Mrs. Cusser and I watched this yesterday afternoon on NetFlix. Pretty good, and DeNiro did a great job.
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This movie really is like Marty’s version of OUATIA.
Btw, has there ever been a main character in a gangster movie who was more meek than Frank Sheeran?
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This movie really is like Marty’s version of OUATIA.
Btw, has there ever been a main character in a gangster movie who was more meek than Frank Sheeran?
What's meek? Sweet?
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A lot of it feels inauthentic. Like de Niro's acting doesn't feel natural; it feels like a "performance." A good performance, but a performance nonetheless; this is not one of those acting jobs where the person just feels like he is the character. And those shoulder pads de Niro is wearing, making him look like a football player. Pacino, too, feels like a performance, not natural. And the hairpieces everyone is wearing, and the switching back and forth between the ages. This feels very much like it's "put on" rather than natural.
Some exceptions. Pesci is absolutely terrific in every way.
And (I assume everyone on this board has seen it, so I won't worry about spoiler alerts) in the prison scene at the end, Pesci is absolutely amazing. And Stephen Graham as Tony Pro is terrific, too.
The ending, with de Niro in the old-age home, being regretful, I suppose some might want to have scrapped; but for me, those scenes have the best acting by de Niro.
The problem is that De Niro and Pacino have created iconic characters in other gangster movies. And iconic to the highest possible degree. So, though it's true that the characters they play here are different from those they played in the past (yeah, Sheeran is a "meek" killer, a family man, not a psychopath; and Hoffa is not even a gangster, strictu sensu ) but still this is a gangster movie and so the problem lies in the fact that Scorsese can't resolve himself to make completely a different kind of movie from the ones done in the past or staying in the genre. I was afraid it might happen after reading the book but I was hoping he might come up with a different approach. Instead he clung to the book quite tightly and the result is inevitable. And sorry, but I can't see such a great Pesci performance: not even distantly comparable to the one in Goodfellas.
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I agree with 100% of what Drink says. But here's the more amazing number: I'm with titoli for 90%, a personal best. Now watch him start retracting . . . >:D
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What's meek? Sweet?
As in the opposite of "forceful."
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And sorry, but I can't see such a great Pesci performance: not even distantly comparable to the one in Goodfellas.
Pesci to me is terrific, feels completely natural, as opposed to de Niro.
And in that brief prison scene, when his teeth are gone, they're having the wine and bread, he is absolutely sublime.
I wouldn't mention Goodfellas here; it's a completely different character. There he as unhinged. Here he is more of a classic mafia head. But I think he is great here, too.
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BTW, I hope y'all caught the Taxi Driver reference, with the guns being laid out on the sheet :)
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And in that brief prison scene, when his teeth are gone, they're having the wine and bread, he is absolutely sublime.
"Mangia che cresci".
I wouldn't mention Goodfellas here; it's a completely different character. There he as unhinged. Here he is more of a classic mafia head. But I think he is great here, too.
Not as great as there, though.
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A good synthesis of parts of the flick, which also might explain how, actually, De Niro is shown giving the interview to Charles Brandt who wrote the book. I should rewatch the movie, though, as I'm not sure that the fact that De Niro is shown dictating his recollections to a writer is made clear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ-6hdYGJKs
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So I rewatched the opening 15min and I totally changed my mind. Once you know where it is going, everything makes sense. And rocks.
I could wath the whole thing all over tonight. I'm actually sad I cannot.
Pretty sure I'm gonna change my rating to a 10 when I see it again.
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Funny about De Niro and about "the fish".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sLUUTlWunY
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Funny about De Niro and about "the fish".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sLUUTlWunY
I couldn't listen to that shit past the greatest president remark. ::)
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I couldn't listen to that shit past the greatest president remark. ::)
I couldn't care less.
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I couldn't care less.
I wish I couldn't care less.
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This has to be one of the most pathetic videos on YouTube though. And I’ve seen my fair share of pathectic videos on YouTube.
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How To Watch The Irishman As A Mini - Series
Episode 1: I Heard You Paint Houses
Watch from start to 49:00
Stop when Jimmy Hoffa ends call
Episode 2: Hoffa
49:00 - 1:40:00
Stop when Joey The Blond is introduced
Episode 3: What Kind Of Fish
1:40:00 - 2:47:30
Stop when Frank exits the house
Episode 4: It Is What It Is
Watch from 2:47:30 - till the end 😉
Winner of Best Film National Board Of Review & New York Film Critics
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If you have to cut it in parts it's the way to do it, but please watch it all at once or you won't experience the whole power of the thing.
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If you have to cut it in parts it's the way to do it, but please watch it all at once or you won't experience the whole power of the thing.
I watched it straight in theater, but did have to run out in middle for a minute to take a piss. They should have had an intermission.
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I watched it straight in theater, but did have to run out in middle for a minute to take a piss. They should have had an intermission.
Only once? What about a popcorn run?
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Some good YouTube links (yes, I have watched all of these, in their entirety)
The Look of The Irishman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0NRAgEoBp8
The Irishman Cinematography Featurette by Rodrigo Prieto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGlB3G8-pxc
Scorsese on Jimmy Kimmel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N80s8hBLaJM
Scorsese with Peter Travers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opqCW-rAnE4
Stephen Graham on Filming THAT Scene With Pacino And De Niro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBx4pezGXHg
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Ha, I've seen all of them.
Aaaand the screenplay: https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/the-irishman-ampas-script.pdf
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That final half an hour is obviously what the movie is about, I don’t understand how anybody would want to cut it out. I mean you either dislike the movie as a whole or like the ending. Any other opinion is inconsistent, absurd.
It’s like saying “I like OUATITW but did these aging gunslingers really have to die?”
100% passionately disagree with this. OUATITW doesn't painstakingly dive into the minutiae of being elderly and facing mortality. The last half hour was incredibly inefficient storytelling and shows 10 examples of being elderly when one could have made a much bigger impact. It would be like the last 25 mins of OUATIA featuring an elderly Noodles getting stuck on the toilet, forgetting his address and not being able to open a jar. We. Get. It.
The movie as a whole is messy. The anti-aging CGI was just absolutely terrible ("young" DeNiro looks a DeNiro impersonator - not a young one) and it's ironic that Happy Meal Marvel did a hell of a better job with this technique in that Ant Fart movie. There's way too much exposition introducing too many characters and this doesn't have the storytelling grace of a Casino (Goodfellas is a perfect movie and not fair to use as a comparison) that seamlessly weaves through all the exposition introducing plotlines and new faces in a very natural way.
This is like if Goodfellas and OUATIA had a baby but the baby came out like the CGI gone wrong de-aged Deniro. This movie certainly has value (and would have more if the score was replaced with more era specific popular music), but I don't know if I would revisit this any time soon, possibly if ever. B
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It may seem like a mess on a first viewing, a second watch shows it isn’t. It is flawed though (and not only in the deaging department) but it’s still one of the most powerful films I’ve ever seen (and is in my top 10 movies of the 2010’s). I’ll watch it once a year for the next decade.