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Title: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: Paulo on February 13, 2011, 05:52:07 AM
Looks kinda interesting - 18th Mar 2011.

http://www.cinemamuseum.org.uk/2010/westerns-sergio-leone-christopher-frayling/ (http://www.cinemamuseum.org.uk/2010/westerns-sergio-leone-christopher-frayling/)


Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: cigar joe on February 13, 2011, 04:57:09 PM
it sure does


Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: Dust Devil on February 14, 2011, 04:00:13 AM
Wish I could be there...


Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: dave jenkins on February 14, 2011, 07:26:56 PM
Me 3.


Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: Juan Miranda on February 19, 2011, 04:43:52 PM
Got my ticket. I'll report back next month.  :)

Thanks for the heads up, Paulo.


Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: Juan Miranda on March 06, 2011, 04:35:32 PM
Anybody have any questions they would like me to ask Sir C on their behalf in a couple of weeks?


Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: cigar joe on March 06, 2011, 05:35:12 PM
A few:

The poncho origin, we know Eastwood brought his Rawhide pistols and yet the tale of the origin of the poncho is still fuzzy. We saw the costume sketch that Carlo Simi drew of it and yet Eastwood claims to have brought it along too, it doesn't make sense. Its not an item that you would just go out and find even in Western Costume. But it could have been custom woven to match the sketch anywhere. Like the "Shroud of Turin" it would be nice to get a small sample of fabric threads for analysis.

We have found examples that show shooter and shootee in the same frame in films and also American TV before Fistful so it would be nice to get some clarification on that.


Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 14, 2011, 04:54:35 AM
Anybody have any questions they would like me to ask Sir C on their behalf in a couple of weeks?

1. Please ask him if he can provide any further details about the upcoming release of Once Upon A Time In America with 40 minutes of restored footage

2. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ask him if he can do the commentary on the new Once Upon A Time In America dvd. PLEASE!  :)

Thanks very much. You have no idea how jealous I am of you that you are going to this event with him. Now that Leone is no longer alive, Sir Frayling is my greatest living hero; he has opened the world of Leone to me and I am sure millions of other fans around the world  :)


Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: Dust Devil on March 14, 2011, 05:35:42 AM
Anybody have any questions they would like me to ask Sir C on their behalf in a couple of weeks?

Ask him to tell you all he knows about Harry Grey, please.


Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: Dust Devil on March 14, 2011, 05:38:07 AM
Anybody have any questions they would like me to ask Sir C on their behalf in a couple of weeks?

And who was the stand-in for Al Mulock in the initial scene, after the latter jumped from the hotel balcony.

If he knows, of course.


Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 14, 2011, 07:28:50 AM
Ask him to tell you all he knows about Harry Grey, please.

 O0 O0 yeah I'd really like to know if Frayling ever found out more about Grey (after he wrote STDWD)


Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: Juan Miranda on March 18, 2011, 07:46:03 PM
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The Cinema Museum Auditorium

Well once again thanks to Paulo for flagging this up in the first place as it was a very interesting night out. I’d never even heard of the London Cinema Museum before even though it’s only about a 15 minute walk away from where I work. Trying to find it was a bit of a nightmare, and I’d have missed the start of the event if I hadn’t accidently met another punter trying to find the place too, who’d been there a couple of times before.

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Sir Chris takes the stage

Turns out the building is part of a Victorian workhouse where Charlie Chaplin spent some time as a child when his mother was destitute (dramatised in Richard Attenborough’s CHAPLIN, though shot on Cheney Road in King’s Cross). I’ll have to visit the venue again as it is jammed with thousands of objects related to the history of cinemas (and not Cinema), right down to old movie house carpets and fold down chairs. All these items even fill the place with a nostalgic musty scent of long gone ABC’s, Rex’s, Regal’s, Roxy’s, Palace’s or any other pre-multi-plex flea pits older board members may have known.

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Projectors

And onto the stage comes Sir Chris, nicely miked up for a crisp, clear sound for his presentation. His initial quotes by and about Leone are the only notes he uses all evening (mostly photo copies of pages from STDWD). For the rest he wings it, wonderfully relaxed, occasionally bubbling with excitement about his subject still, as though he’s only just seen A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS for the first time and marvelling that such a thing exists. With the bizarre exception of a moment when, invoking Leone’s fascination with Pupi Sicilliani he used a glove puppet to imitate Leone’s directorial style, I’m pretty sure the lecture was much the same as the one I heard him give a few years ago at the Estorik, but like any great story you want to hear it again.


The clips were different too, and longer, starting with the corrida from GBU, beautifully projected from a Blu-Ray DVD (though I heard Sir Chris later saying that the sound of the guns is all wrong in the mix on this release) and the chariot race from BEN HUR, which Leone worked on as 1st assistant director for the second unit under Andrew Marton. The only clip in the second half was the Cattle Corner scene from OUTIW almost in full which Frayling declared was Leone’s “greatest ever sequence”. Little moments from these clips prompted the observations (can’t remember if they are mentioned in STDWD and I don’t have my copy of the book to hand) that Lee Van Cleef is missing part of one of his fingers because of an accident when building a doll’s house for his daughter (an anecdote from Mrs Van Cleef) and that the squaw in the station ticket office was played by Woody Strode’s wife.

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Q&A

Some other interesting quotes included his description of GBU as “Surrealism rides the range” after showing a slide of the Di Chirico painting Leone owned and was influenced by, and the fact that novelist Graham Green was a huge fan of OUATIW and called it “A Dance of Death” during an interview on the stage of the NFT which caused a major stir as at the time as few, apart from our Chris, ever admitted to liking Leone’s work at all. Indeed the evening finished suitably when Frayling was himself asked why he had championed these films so much, and he invoked their fresh and hip feel when he first saw them in the 1960’s as a young man, how he felt Leone was “a prophet without honour” in his own country, how Leone was, once upon a time, cruelly neglected critically because he didn’t make films about Italy, playfully speculating on how THE LEAPORD would have turned out if Leone had made it and not Visconti. Aptly he closed with a memory of when a street was named after Sergio in Almeria and Mrs. Leone was present too to cut the ribbon (“Like a scene from a Fellini film” he recalled) and afterwards she embraced him with tears in her eyes and said “You were the first person to take my husband seriously”. In itself an almost Leoniesque anecdote? But the man was clearly moved in the telling, as I was listening and there the all too brief Q&A section ended.

As to the questions posed by the board, some of them were answered, some I’m afraid not. During his presentation Frayling made it clear he believes the sole originator of the poncho was Leone himself, who used stills of Eastwood to sketch the character outline on and later pass his ideas to Carlo Simi to polish. Nothing to do with Clint.

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Discussing duster tailoring

I’m afraid I wasn’t able to find out anything new about Harry Grey, and as this was a presentation about Leone’s westerns Frayling did say early on he wasn’t going to talk about OUATUA tonight (and as it turned out GUI LA TESTA was pretty much ignored too). However, having met him before I was quite happy chatting to him briefly during the interval and I asked him about the current restoration project of that film. He told me he wasn’t in any way involved it the work for the new print Leone’s children are producing but that he had seen the extra footage. He sounded enthusiastic summarising it until he described the Cleopatra sequence as “awful”. He hopes that down the line in the future he will be asked to provide a DVD commentary but then of course he’d “have to talk for even longer.” So maybe one day... I’m afraid I didn’t get the time or the opportunity to ask about Murlock, might have if the Q&A had went on for a tiny bit longer.

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Through the medium of puppets

All photos by me, BTW.


Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: Dust Devil on March 19, 2011, 12:35:49 AM
Well, I didn't get my answers but I'm not disappointed, thanks for the report. O0


Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: moviesceleton on March 19, 2011, 03:43:05 AM
 O0


Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: Leonardo on March 19, 2011, 07:41:59 AM
Thanks a lot!  O0


Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: Novecento on March 19, 2011, 03:33:06 PM
Thanks Juan Miranda - sounds like a good evening.

...playfully speculating on how THE LEAPORD would have turned out if Leone had made it and not Visconti.

Out of curiosity, what did he think it would have been like?

He told me he wasn’t in any way involved it the work for the new print Leone’s children are producing but that he had seen the extra footage. He sounded enthusiastic summarising it until he described the Cleopatra sequence as “awful”. He hopes that down the line in the future he will be asked to provide a DVD commentary but then of course he’d “have to talk for even longer.”

Oooh lucky man to have already seen it!

Did he say why he didn't like the Cleopatra sequence. Was it the content or the way it was filmed or what  ???

Yes, a Frayling BD/DVD commentary would be very welcome indeed! They added one to the BD of GBU.


Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: Jordan Krug on March 19, 2011, 03:40:29 PM
thanks so much for taking the time to post the photos and your report, very much appreciated by those of us who would have had to cross an ocean to attend!


Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: cigar joe on March 19, 2011, 04:38:16 PM
You know, it came to me while reading your post, perhaps the most important/imperative question you/we could have asked him was whether or not he was familiar with this web board an would he consider posting here.


Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: Juan Miranda on March 19, 2011, 05:46:10 PM
was whether or not he was familiar with this web board an would he consider posting here.

I did mention the Leone forum to him last time I met him at the premier of the restored print of Hammer's DRACULA a couple of years ago when I had the chace to chat for ages. I mentioned examples of some of the great detective work which had gone into some threads in particular (CJ's own Timeline for one), and while he acknowledged that there were many great fans of Sergio's movies "out there", I didn't get the feeling he would be rushing onto the web to join us here anytime soon, if ever.

As for a Leone THE LEOPARD, I think he's already made it in his head and is loving it. If nothing else he pointed out Visconti's picture was a commercial disaster in its day, something it most likely wouldn't have been if Sergio had brought his particular dynamism to it.

He didn't have time to elaborate on the awfulness of the Cleopatra scene as there was a line waiting to have a word with him. I quipped that "age can wither her" and let somebody else talk to him.


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Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 20, 2011, 01:23:11 AM
You know, it came to me while reading your post, perhaps the most important/imperative question you/we could have asked him was whether or not he was familiar with this web board an would he consider posting here.

1. cigarjoe: I agree with you, but didn't Frayling indeed post here once? http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=7532.15

2. Juan Miranda; many thanks for the great report, and for asking Frayling my question about doing a dvd commentary for OUATIA. It would be absolutely amazing if he indeed does the commentary  :)





Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: dave jenkins on March 20, 2011, 12:31:46 PM
Thanks, Juan, the board owes you a debt. Great, great pics! (What I wouldn't give to have seen Sir Chris working a hand puppet).  O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0


Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: Novecento on April 05, 2011, 02:24:32 PM
He didn't have time to elaborate on the awfulness of the Cleopatra scene as there was a line waiting to have a word with him.

According to Elizabeth McGovern on p.447 of Frayling's book, Leone "thankfully cut it out because it stopped all the action at a point where you couldn't afford the time suddenly to get used to the Shakespearean language... It was very strange to have a death scene Kabuki-style at that point in the movie".



Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 17, 2017, 03:06:07 AM
Juan Miranda, your pics from this thread are gone now thanks to whichever hosying site you were using. Any way you can repost them through another site? Thanks  :)


Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: chris on July 17, 2017, 09:37:39 AM
Photobucket has recently announced that it is withdrawing its support for 3rd party hosting for free accounts. It's being done in stages with the oldest files first and I think they plan to complete the process within the next 12 months. The files can still be accessed by users who log in but regrettably, unless Photobucket has a change of heart, an increasing number of image links on this forum will not work.  >:(  
    


Title: Re: Cinema Museum Leone talk with Sir Christopher Frayling
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 17, 2017, 10:51:22 AM
http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=13076.0