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Title: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on February 28, 2011, 08:28:13 PM
I don't know how much credence I give this right now, but still:

http://www.badassdigest.com/2011/02/28/quentin-tarantinos-next-is-a-spaghetti-western (http://www.badassdigest.com/2011/02/28/quentin-tarantinos-next-is-a-spaghetti-western)



EDIT:

Sorry Groggy, had to edit your first post. You better believe it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1853728/
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: cigar joe on February 28, 2011, 08:44:57 PM
This has been in the works for a while, Nero has talked about it on and off for about 5 years, it would be good news.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Dust Devil on February 28, 2011, 10:45:10 PM
The title alone tells the whole story.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: dave jenkins on March 01, 2011, 10:41:58 AM
I thought QT was working on Kill Bill 3.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: cigar joe on March 01, 2011, 02:16:36 PM
Firecracker may know more about this than anyone on the board, see what he says.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on March 01, 2011, 02:40:30 PM
I thought QT was working on Kill Bill 3.

Tarantino contradicts himself at every opportunity.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: The Firecracker on March 02, 2011, 10:06:46 PM
Firecracker may know more about this than anyone on the board, see what he says.


Let's just say a little birdie told me this is more QT bullshit...

Fuck it, here's the proof...


[ No Subject ]Wednesday, March 2, 2011 2:55 PM
From: "--------------------" <-------------------->View contact detailsTo: "Eric Zaldivar" <spag_fan@yahoo.com>Dear eric at the moment it is just talk ciao franco
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: cigar joe on March 03, 2011, 05:28:11 AM
That's what I figured.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: The Firecracker on March 03, 2011, 01:33:25 PM
This was posted at the SWDB.

According to an e-mail I received from Bill Connolly who was told by Lorenzo De Luca, "Yeah, it is The Badlanders/The Angel the Brute & the Sage. Tarantino has only a cameo along with Rodriguez, Eli Roth. Rest of the cast includes Keith Carradine, Treat Williams, John Saxon (if he's not alzhaimer), Murray Abraham, Francesco Quinn, John Landis, Gordon Liu (all of them signed a letter of intent). Castellari will direct the movie. I hope this will be the right time.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: moviesceleton on March 03, 2011, 03:46:04 PM
So he'll only produce it? Write it? Or just a cameo?

(Or maybe more correctly: is he supposed to produce/write...)
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on March 03, 2011, 04:01:17 PM
This was posted at the SWDB.

According to an e-mail I received from Bill Connolly who was told by Lorenzo De Luca, "Yeah, it is The Badlanders/The Angel the Brute & the Sage. Tarantino has only a cameo along with Rodriguez, Eli Roth. Rest of the cast includes Keith Carradine, Treat Williams, John Saxon (if he's not alzhaimer), Murray Abraham, Francesco Quinn, John Landis, Gordon Liu (all of them signed a letter of intent). Castellari will direct the movie. I hope this will be the right time.


Link?
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: The Firecracker on March 03, 2011, 08:02:16 PM
Link?

If I must...
http://www.spaghetti-western.net/forum/index.php/topic,3148.new.html#new

MovieSceleton:

Apparently it's only a cameo.
Then again it's too early to tell.
These actors have only signed a letter of agreement.
If they don't find the financing it won't happen.

As Franco Nero has already said...

"it's just talk".
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on March 03, 2011, 08:39:41 PM
Thanks, FC. You da man. O0
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on May 06, 2011, 10:36:55 AM
News:

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/quentin-tarntino-django-unchained.php (http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/quentin-tarntino-django-unchained.php)

Supposedly the script is already written and leaked. Looks like he'll have Christoph Waltz reprising his role from Basterds in a Western setting, and lots of slavery-related content.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: dave jenkins on May 06, 2011, 10:53:52 AM
I find it interesting--if that's the word--that these days QT, unable to script ideas that haven't already been used by others, has gotten to the point where even his titles are re-treads.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on May 06, 2011, 10:56:59 AM
To clarify, the project that FC was talking about further up the thread is something else entirely. Nero isn't involved in this one.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on May 06, 2011, 10:58:09 AM
The alleged script can be found here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?9z2wl72318kwc9s (http://www.mediafire.com/?9z2wl72318kwc9s)
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: moviesceleton on May 06, 2011, 01:13:51 PM
The alleged script can be found here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?9z2wl72318kwc9s (http://www.mediafire.com/?9z2wl72318kwc9s)
Seems pretty convincing to me, or then it's a hilarious rip-off. Nobody but Tarantino could get away with such an against-all-the-rules script. (I read the first page.)
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Banjo on May 30, 2011, 02:35:00 PM
To clarify, the project that FC was talking about further up the thread is something else entirely. Nero isn't involved in this one.
Sorry Groggy but hearing straight from the horse's mouth last weekend it seems that Franco Nero will most probably be involved in this one assuming that it's not just all talk :D
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Dust Devil on June 04, 2011, 01:45:36 AM
http://collider.com/quentin-tarantinos-spaghetti-western-christoph-waltz/78351/
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Dust Devil on June 04, 2011, 01:46:33 AM
Sorry, had to change the title. What a title.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Dust Devil on June 09, 2011, 08:08:17 AM
Had to change it again.

From THE ANGEL THE BAD AND THE WISE to DJANGO UNCHAINED.

lol?
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Arizona Colt on June 24, 2011, 04:24:20 PM
Looks like Jaime Foxx(?????) is going to be Django in this potential celluloid pap. Judging by the plot, this must be the "serious" slave/racist movie QT said he wanted to make after that GRINDHOUSE garbage tanked. The plot has a helluva lot more in common with THE LEGEND OF NIGGER CHARLEY (1972) than it does DJANGO.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on June 24, 2011, 06:05:08 PM
It will have as much to do with Django as any of the sequels no doubt.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: dave jenkins on July 11, 2011, 06:40:56 AM
Casting news: http://www.totalfilm.com/news/jamie-foxx-confirms-leonardo-dicaprio-in-django-unchained?ns_campaign=news&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=totalfilm&ns_linkname=0&ns_fee=0&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+totalfilm%2Fimdbnews+%28Total+Film+IMDb+aggregate%29
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Musicalpocketwatch on September 13, 2011, 08:12:52 AM
Does Anyone Have anymore Info abou the New Film The Angel, the Bad and the Wise ? All I can seem to find on google is a picture of QT in a cowboy hat and Really Vauge info about it...just rumors really!
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: cigar joe on September 13, 2011, 08:31:21 AM
Its been in the pipeline a long time, here is an old thread when Franco Nero was involved:

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=2797.0 (http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=2797.0)
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on September 13, 2011, 09:24:05 AM
Does Anyone Have anymore Info abou the New Film The Angel, the Bad and the Wise ? All I can seem to find on google is a picture of QT in a cowboy hat and Really Vauge info about it...just rumors really!

Again, these appear to be two different films.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: cigar joe on September 13, 2011, 02:25:59 PM
Again, these appear to be two different films.

I realize that but wasn't the title the same for the Nero project?
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 26, 2012, 10:29:17 AM
Photos from Django Unchained on imdb http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1853728/mediaindex

IMDB lists this movie as "Django Unchained (2012)." And according to the poster that is photo number 12/13 in this gallery, the movie will be released on Christmas. So Groggy, in the subject line of this thread, perhaps you should change the year to "2012"

Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: emmo26 on May 21, 2012, 04:54:47 AM
They do what they always do....

If they cant get Nero they get Terence Hill instead!
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on May 28, 2012, 06:03:42 AM
Some stills:

http://www.tarantino.info/2012/05/28/new-official-pictures-from-django-unchained/

It seems that Nero is in, after all!
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: cigar joe on May 28, 2012, 07:52:53 AM
cool, nice find  O0
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: emmo26 on May 29, 2012, 06:13:37 AM
Soundtrack

http://www.tarantino.info/wiki/index.php/Django_Unchained_Soundtrack

no Ennio....yet!
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: moviesceleton on May 30, 2012, 07:15:44 AM
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1332786432/tt1853728

Wow. That's gay O0 (Note the Monco reference.)
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on May 30, 2012, 01:07:16 PM
Lol

I have the feeling this will get the same ultra cheap look as IB...
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on May 30, 2012, 02:52:00 PM
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1332786432/tt1853728

Wow. That's gay O0 (Note the Monco reference.)

Nothing is gay. It's simply "stylish" or "slim fit."  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: cigar joe on May 30, 2012, 04:03:24 PM
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1332786432/tt1853728

Wow. That's gay O0 (Note the Monco reference.)

He looks too manicured, too, dandy-ish, too cleaned & pressed.  There is a great film Duel at Diablo a great film with James Garner & Sidney Poitier where Poitier is a horse breaker, but he dresses way to tailored too perfect to be believable, and it ruins the film a bit and puts it into "Wild Wild West" territory.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on May 30, 2012, 07:27:01 PM
I feel like I should be excited by this movie, but I really don't give a rat's ass.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: dave jenkins on June 06, 2012, 12:53:40 PM
Trailer! http://www.firstshowing.net/2012/must-watch-first-trailer-for-quentin-tarantinos-django-unchained/
OR try this link: http://www.fandango.com/movie-trailer/exclusive:djangounchainedtrailerpremiere-trailer/145508/2242676575

Watch for Franco Nero at the end.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 06, 2012, 01:33:06 PM
Or here: http://screencrush.com/django-unchained-trailer/
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on June 06, 2012, 04:48:49 PM
Or here: http://m.youtube.com/?reload=3&rdm=m45tih6go#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DTeyIvntknT4%26feature%3Dyoutube_gdata_player&feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=TeyIvntknT4&gl=FR

Still Inglourious Batsterdly cheap looking.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: PowerRR on June 06, 2012, 08:19:16 PM
Or here: http://m.youtube.com/?reload=3&rdm=m45tih6go#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DTeyIvntknT4%26feature%3Dyoutube_gdata_player&feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=TeyIvntknT4&gl=FR

Still Inglourious Batsterdly cheap looking.
But I like that cheap look in Tarantino's hands.

Looks excellent in a very fun way. I also feel like the movie will end up being much less comedic than the trailer shows. That's what happened with Inglourious Basterds.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Dust Devil on June 07, 2012, 02:46:52 AM
I also feel like the movie will end up being...

I feel sooner or later your face will end up about 1 nanometre away from Mr. QT's unwiped anus.

Sooner than later.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: emmo26 on June 07, 2012, 03:12:16 AM
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1332786432/tt1853728

Wow. That's gay O0 (Note the Monco reference.)

http://www.icollector.com/Michael-J-Fox-Marty-McFly-1950s-cowboy-costume-from-Back-to-the-Future-III_i11537284  :D
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: PowerRR on June 07, 2012, 06:21:24 AM
I feel sooner or later your face will end up about 1 nanometre away from Mr. QT's unwiped anus.

Sooner than later.
Naaah I really don't even like QT that much, I'm faaaar from an anal fanboy. But I bet this will be a great movie.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: cigar joe on June 09, 2012, 05:55:53 PM
Looks like QT is referencing SW's, Mandingo, and the "Charley" films, it may be a lot of fun,  ^-^

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068358/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068358/)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068838/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068838/)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072725/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072725/)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070721/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070721/)
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: PowerRR on June 10, 2012, 09:58:41 PM
Pause the trailer at 1:04.

"Reward $2000 - Dead or Alive: Edwin Porter. For Train Robbery"

Edwin Porter directed The Great Train Robbery in 1904. (I didn't notice this, I read it elsewhere).
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: dave jenkins on June 17, 2012, 12:31:52 PM
The international trailer (which is better done): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJx09hnNEVA
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: moviesceleton on June 17, 2012, 12:51:14 PM
Lol

I have the feeling this will get the same ultra cheap look as IB...
Robert Richardson's work has just recently started to bug me big time.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: cigar joe on June 22, 2012, 03:10:00 AM
From IMDb: by joj_mene (Wed Jun 13 2012 14:17:14)   
   
The italian website bestmovie.it interviewed Franco about him working with QT. I tried to translate the important parts with my puny knowledge of the language.

"On the set we had this game: I said the name of one of the directors I worked with and he responded to me with the title of one of his movies. For example: 'Margheriti!' And he: 'Il pianetto errante! I diafanoidi vengono da marte!' And then he would start to recite lines or to sing the soundtrack that even I couldn't remember.'"
While talking of his experiences on Django Unchained, Franco Nero can not hide the pleasure he gets from these anecdotes, born form that "special relationship" he formed with the director of Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill: underneath the heavy eyebrows the icy stare of the old pistolero melts with pride and melancholy. "He would bring me to these young American actors and he would introduce me like this: 'You may not know him, but this man used to be the greatest star in the world, alongside Clint Eastwood, Alain Delon and Charlie Bronson.'"
"I first met Tarantino in Rome when he was promoting Inglourious Basterds. He demanded of the producers: 'I will not leave Rome without meeting Franco Nero.' We met at the Bolognese (famous restaurant in Rome). He arrived with Eli Roth and he told me his story: at the age of 14 he started renting videotapes and became passionate about my film so much that he started to ask in the videostore for "the Franco Nero movie". I didn't know whether to believe him or not but then he started reciting whole dialogues by memory. Then I was convinced and I asked him if he would do a cameo in a western that I was going to make with Enzo Castellari. He was thrilled and he even signed a letter of commitment, but he wanted to know...how he would get killed. I told him: 'You get shot with a sawed-off rifle loaded with gold coins.' And he yelled: 'I love it! I love it!'
Time passed and meanwhile Castellari's film never left the page and Tarantino decided to do his own western with a title that makes hommage to one of the most important and beloved movies of the genre: Django by S. Corbucci.
"The news of Tarantino making a film called Django Unchained was circling around and everyone was asking me how I was involved with the project. I didn't know nothing, I did say that he was supposed to be in my movie! One day he did call and explained the movie is partly an hommage to me and I must be in it so he offered me a cameo..."
What Tarantino didn't know at the time was that Nero already read the script and didn't like his cameo: "So I took the advantage and said: 'I have an idea for my role.' He remained silent for two whole minutes. Then he said: 'Let me think about it.'" Months went by... Meanwhile Tarantino started shooting in New Orleans. In february Nero flew to Los Angeles for an Italian movie festival he and Vicedomini have been organizing for years. "Tarantino found out, left New Orleans and met me. We went to breakfast one morning at Beverly Hills Hotel and started negotiating. The meeting lasted three hours. He kept telling me: 'Trust me!' In the end we found a middle ground and we were both satisfied. A week after the festival I was on the set in New Orleans."
And now time grew out of proportion. Even though he already did his cameo Tarantino didn't want him to leave. "At one point I felt like a hostage! (laughs) I decided to stay a few days but remained more than a month. Tarantino decided to film my scene differently and so now I was acting together with Dicaprio. We screamed so mush during the shoot that he ruined his voice and we couldn't go out for a week. We also saw Django with everybody and during breaks we would listen to the film's music..." And so Nero stayed longer than anticipated but finally Tarantino "freed him".

Here's the entire interview, if anyone wants to have a go at it:
http://www.bestmovie.it/news/franco-nero-ci-racconta-django-unchained- quando-dicaprio-rimase-senza-voce/162959/.




Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on July 02, 2012, 02:12:36 AM
New 60 seconds teaser, with some images of Samuel Lee Jackson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it6rDhrnaVY
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: emmo26 on July 04, 2012, 06:05:56 AM
Would it be a good idea...if QT put an ageing Tuco in the film?    ....well at least in an deleted scene on the DVD extras.

I dunno how that would go down with the timeline of the movie.  :D



(YES or NO??)
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on July 04, 2012, 10:06:46 AM
Would it be a good idea...if QT put an ageing Tuco in the film?    ....well at least in an deleted scene on the DVD extras.

I dunno how that would go down with the timeline of the movie.  :D



(YES or NO??)

lol
That wouldn't really work with the timeline: an AGED Tuco means we're AFTER civil war... Hence, after slavery in the USA.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Lil Brutto on July 04, 2012, 11:16:13 AM
He could play Lincoln's grandfather  :D :D
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: dave jenkins on July 04, 2012, 12:00:21 PM
He could play Lincoln's grandfather  :D :D
;D ;D
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: emmo26 on July 05, 2012, 03:26:17 AM
lol
That wouldn't really work with the timeline: an AGED Tuco means we're AFTER civil war... Hence, after slavery in the USA.


ha ha...yeah I thought so....


If tuco lived to see 100,  I maybe wrong, but I think he would be still alive to witness the sinking of the Titanic (1912).
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on September 06, 2012, 11:34:05 PM
was in a movie theater last night, and saw the posters for Django Unchained -- it's coming out on December 25! (so you'll have to change the year in the title of this thread to "2012" after all  ;))

p.s. the theater was the AMC Loews on 34th st. between 8th & 9th Ave. in Manhattan. I have been attending the big multiplexes in Manhattan for years, but I could not believe how ENORMOUS the screens are at this theater! (at least Theater # 9, which is the one I was in). I will definitely try to see movies there in the future, and be sure to sit all the way in back!
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on September 15, 2012, 02:08:04 PM
p.s. the theater was the AMC Loews on 34th st. between 8th & 9th Ave. in Manhattan. I have been attending the big multiplexes in Manhattan for years, but I could not believe how ENORMOUS the screens are at this theater! (at least Theater # 9, which is the one I was in). I will definitely try to see movies there in the future, and be sure to sit all the way in back!

Yeah I love AMC Theaters. My only complaint is the 20-odd minutes of trailers they generally run.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on September 15, 2012, 02:09:18 PM
I wasn't crazy about this film based on the premise. Watching the trailer though has me intrigued. Hopefully this will be more Pulp Fiction than Inglourious Basterds (sorry DJ).
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: dave jenkins on September 15, 2012, 02:18:12 PM
I dunno. I like  PF as well as IG. To me, his only truly exceptional film is Jackie Brown.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on September 15, 2012, 07:03:57 PM
Yeah I love AMC Theaters. My only complaint is the 20-odd minutes of trailers they generally run.

Well this one is EXCEPTIONALLY enormous  :)

 
As for the previews: I always walk into movies 10 minutes after the official start time

Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: moviesceleton on October 15, 2012, 12:25:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztD3mRMdqSw

This new trailer makes the movie look more fun.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: emmo26 on October 16, 2012, 03:56:58 PM
Jonah Hill is "Nice" Guy Eddie´s great great great grandad.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: dave jenkins on October 17, 2012, 07:34:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztD3mRMdqSw

This new trailer makes the movie look more fun.
Well, more like a Coen Bros' movie, anyway.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on October 18, 2012, 02:07:01 AM
It's the first trailer that gets me excited about the movie...
Title: Django unchained - Q. Tarantino
Post by: Leonardo on November 02, 2012, 08:19:16 AM
Here's the trailer # 2, for what it's worth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztD3mRMdqSw

It's opening on Christmas in USA, here in Italy on Jan 4th 2013.
Message to our american board members: once you have seen the movie, please post your comments. I don't wanna spend money if it ain't worth it.  ;)
Thanks my friends!!
Title: Re: Django unchained - Q. Tarantino
Post by: cigar joe on November 02, 2012, 10:00:52 AM
we sure will
Title: Re: Django unchained - Q. Tarantino
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 02, 2012, 10:18:14 AM
we already have a thread for this movie http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=10136.msg159297#msg159297
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: cigar joe on November 03, 2012, 06:47:18 AM
fixed
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: dave jenkins on December 12, 2012, 07:37:22 AM
Review w/spoilers: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie/django-unchained/review/399663
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on December 12, 2012, 09:39:32 AM
The Guardian's fond of it too:

 http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/dec/12/django-unchained-first-look-review  (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/dec/12/django-unchained-first-look-review)
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: dave jenkins on December 12, 2012, 12:41:38 PM
Sounds like maybe QT tries to pull the same trick he used in the last film. If so, that's a disappointment.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on December 12, 2012, 01:45:06 PM
Well, you enjoyed his last one and I didn't. That gives me more cause to be worried.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Dust Devil on December 17, 2012, 05:58:54 AM
These trailers are as exciting as working Mondays.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: dave jenkins on December 17, 2012, 06:02:17 AM
Personally, I like working Mondays, it's the other days of the week I'm not so keen on.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 23, 2012, 09:02:34 PM
The only 12:01 AM showing in Manhattan (AMC @ 34th street) is sold out, so I am going to have to wait until Tuesday afternoon to see this. (Then I guess I'll have to find a Chinese restaurant?)
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: dave jenkins on December 24, 2012, 11:15:26 AM
The only 12:01 AM showing in Manhattan (AMC @ 34th street) is sold out, so I am going to have to wait until Tuesday afternoon to see this. (Then I guess I'll have to find a Chinese restaurant?)
Hahaha, yeah, I've done the Chinese restaurant thing myself.

I have to wait until Wednesday to see this as I have a prior commitment for Christmas.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 24, 2012, 09:30:47 PM
I just got my tickets on Fandango; I'll be at the 3:40 showing tomorrow at the UA at Sheepshead Bay  :) (And finally, after 6 pages of speculation, we'll have a post on this thread about the actual movie  ;))

so I noticed that the movie -- which is due to be released in 32 minutes -- has already been rated on imdb by more than 3300 users. Are they all Hollywood/connected people who have seen previews? Or is it just a bunch of Tarantino fans or people involved with the movie etc. that are trying to boost the movie's rating before they've even seen it? (It currently has an 8.3/10)
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 25, 2012, 09:10:03 AM
Here is a new gem from the race hustler Spike Lee http://www.tmz.com/2012/12/24/spike-lee-quentin-tarantino-django-unchained-disrespectful-to-my-ancestors/

he hasn't seen Django Unchained, and says "I'm not gonna see it....... all I'm gonna say is it's disrespectful to my ancestors."

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

If someone has an opinion of a movie before he sees it (eg. that it's racist), he should provide a damn good basis for that opinion (eg. if 10 of his friends who saw it told him that it's racist). But to just say that he doesn't know shit cuz he hasn't seen it, but he does know it's disrespectful to blacks... come on, man. Get your race hustling head head out of your race hustling ass.

And btw, as for the part later in this article about the critics who complain about the movie's use of the word "nigger," firstly, that word is sadly a part of this country's history, why ignore it and pretend that it didn't exist? and secondly, my unscientific opinion is that the most frequent utterances of the word "nigger" are actually by black filmmakers, black characters, and rap stars. I don't buy this crap that "we can use a word that demeans our own race, but you cant. If it's wrong to use the word (and personally, I'd never use it unless it's an appropriate artistic use, like in a movie about SLAVERY), then it shouldn't be used, period, but once it's used so frequently by black artists and individuals, then white artists and individuals should be able to use it just as well.

There.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: moviesceleton on December 25, 2012, 01:40:30 PM
I think Tarantino feels trapped inside his white skin (a bit like a transsexual in his/her body). He should undergo a reversed Michael Jackson treatment.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 25, 2012, 10:55:26 PM
Before I start in on any of my bullshit, I'll just sum up in a nutshell what some of you are probably looking for: if you are a big fan of QT, then I think you will really like this film.

(I'm sure most of y'all know the basic plot by now so I won't bother with a plot synopsis; if anyone specifically wants that lemme know and I will add that in).

 I first saw Pulp Fiction just a couple of years ago; it was the first Quentin Tarantino movie I'd ever seen. I didn't like it; I just plain didn't like the style  and never saw anther QT movie. I'm really not much for comedic shit, I only like watch serious movies, and I just didn't like the comedic style. So I never saw another QT movie -- until now. Cuz this is a Spaghetti Western, Django, so I figure what the hell, I have to see it. But it has all this comedic stuff -- and I btw found most if it very very offensive, as described in the next paragraph -- which I am not interested in; I really only wanna see dramas/thrillers. So all I can say is, if you are a fan of QT's movies, if you like his style, then you will probably like this movie a lot. I am not a fan of that style. So it would be unfair for me to give the movie a "rating."

Now, I must say that after seeing this movie, I take back most of what I said in the previous post about Spike Lee's comments. I mean, Lee himself is and always has been a race-hustling asshole, and I still don't see how someone can make accusations against a movie he hasn't seen without providing some sources (eg. that he at least saw some of the jokes, or people close to him told him about it, etc. But just to say that he won't see the movie but knows its disrespectful to blacks, I didn't know how he could say that.

Well as it turns out, no matter what my general opinion of Spike Lee, the fact is that after having seen the movie, he is absolutely correct: the movie is incredibly disrespectful toward blacks.

The stuff about slavery and the abuse of blacks is handled in a very comedic way, with the audience laughing all the way through the scenes depicting the mistreatment of blacks. That stuff is not funny and I don't know why the fuck anyone would think that it's material for comedy

as I was watching it, I was reminded of something I was once told by an elderly Polish Jew I know, a survivor of Auschwitz who suffered unspeakable tragedies by the Nazis. About ten years ago, I happened to be speaking to him shortly after he had seen The Producers on Broadway (btw, I have never seen that play nor movie) and he told me how it bothered him how the play had all that comedic stuff about Hitler. I remember his exact words, "There's nothing funny about Hitler."

I should also add that while I have never seen QT's movie Inglorious Basterds, my understanding is that it also portrays Nazis in comedic light, and that is THE reason I never saw it. I really don't find that stuff to be funny.

of course, that doesn't mean the movie is racist; the movie certainly portrays the  the slave-owners and those who mistreat blacks as the bad guys here; the movie's sympathies are with the blacks and against their abusers. But just because you know which side is right and which side is wrong, doesn't mean that you should be making a comedy of a terribly tragic issue. And to be clear, this wasn't just one or two or three lines or scenes -- this was the ENTIRE movie, from beginning to end. The mistreatment of blacks is one big joke, with the theater audience roaring along.

So I was able to enjoy very little of the humor in Django Unchained. If you can't see the humor to be found in an entire race of people torn apart, enslaved, tortured, and killed, then there won't be a hell of a lot to love here. But if you love QT's style and believe that all's fair in comedy and slavery, then I advise you to rush out and see this movie immediately.

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Django Unchained uses much of the music from the original Django , including the song that plays over the opening credits (which are in the same font/style/color as the opening credits of Django. Also, according to the opening credits, one of the songs in Django Unchained is a newEnnio Morricone composition.

I saw the movie at the 3:40 PM screening at the UA theater in Sheepshead Bay, Brooklyn; the screening was sold out! (Happily, I always purchase tickets beforehand from Fandango). And after the movie, I got some terrific Chinese food....
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: PowerRR on December 26, 2012, 12:37:21 AM
I disagree that it portrayed mistreatment of blacks as a joke. The whole movie may be presented in a goofy, blaxploitation-esque matter, but the more serious racial scenes are dealt with rather dramatically. There may be some slight racist humor, but nothing that should bother people unless they don't know how to take a joke. There's no reason to trash IB or Django. Everyone knows the history, and filmmakers have reiterated time and time again how horrible these moments in history were. Tarantino is a filmmaker, he knows these horrors, shows these horrors, and is still able to present them in a lighthearted matter. He's not trying to convince people that these were actually lighthearted events, but instead just making a damn entertaining movie based on events which occurred many, many years ago.

That being said I'm pretty disappointed with the film. The conflict is so, so, so weak. The characters face very little to no challenge in finding the people they are searching for or accomplishing their goals. There's not a single moment where Django or King Schultz is worried about something. Everything is rushed and happens way too abruptly, with little to no payoff for the major plot events. One sequence in the film which lasts 30-40 minutes and mirrors the Inglourious Basterds basement scene is the dullest part of the movie by far, lacking any wit or tension whatsoever. The sense of adventure which the film SHOULD have is almost completely missing.

I also hated the cinematography. The guy wants to make a 60's/70's film, and although it's light-hearted, it's almost distractingly crisp-looking. Make that shit grittier, Quentin.

The characters are unique and well-written but extremely underused in relation to the basic plot. The use of music is hilarious, and the humor of the film in general is pretty great. Blaxploitation and spaghetti western references are entertaining for fans of the genres. Lots of laughs. It's a good time at the movies but far, far away from Tarantino's better works. And I'm not even a huge fan to begin with.

6.5/10 if i have to give a rating. Worth seeing again for some good fun.

Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 26, 2012, 01:16:15 AM
I disagree that it portrayed mistreatment of blacks as a joke. The whole movie may be presented in a goofy, blaxploitation-esque matter, but the more serious racial scenes are dealt with rather dramatically. There may be some slight racist humor, but nothing that should bother people unless they don't know how to take a joke. There's no reason to trash IB or Django. Everyone knows the history, and filmmakers have reiterated time and time again how horrible these moments in history were. Tarantino is a filmmaker, he knows these horrors, shows these horrors, and is still able to present them in a lighthearted matter. He's not trying to convince people that these were actually lighthearted events, but instead just making a damn entertaining movie based on events which occurred many, many years ago.


As i was careful to say in my previous post, I never for a moment believed that the movie is racist. My complaint has nothing whatsoever to do with that. The movie very clearly believes that slavery was despicable. But still, it decides it can give us a grand ol' time as we explore the hilarious side of slavery. And that's just disgusting.

I don't for a moment believe that QT or his movies don't understand the evil that was slavery or the Nazis. Ditto for Mel Brooks et al with The Producers. This is not about racism at all. It it about sensitivity and taste, and understanding that certain events/people are simply not a joke, ever.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on December 26, 2012, 04:32:27 AM
Before I start in on any of my bullshit, I'll just sum up in a nutshell what some of you are probably looking for: if you are a big fan of QT, then I think you will really like this film.

What if we liked Tarantino's early films and think he's gone in the crapper? ???
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 26, 2012, 04:58:57 AM
what I meant to say is that if A) you like QT's style (which I don't); and B) you forget about any moral objections over the comedy, there's a good chance that you'd like it the movie. [Of course, that's a very theoretical thought. But I figured that, since I was the first one to post his opinion after having seen the movie, I should give the people at least a little something to go on in deciding whether or not to see the movie  ;)
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 26, 2012, 05:47:14 AM
wow, Django Unchained now holds an 8.7/10 rating on IMDB (Currently, spots 14-21 on imdb's Top 250 have an 8.7/10 rating; Do we have another Shawshank here?  ;D)
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: emmo26 on December 26, 2012, 07:06:17 AM
D&D

I take it you never saw Blazing Saddles aswell.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Rudra on December 26, 2012, 11:06:32 AM
So how close is "Django Unchained" to the spaghetti westerns "as we know them to be" (and by "we" I mean the members of Sergio Leone web board) in style, presentation and substance? I am not a fan of QT and I completely gave up on QT after IG. If I want to see his movie again, it would be because this time it is purportedly as "spag". Going by the D&D' review of the film, I think I can can give it a pass and save myself of the misery.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: stanton on December 26, 2012, 11:57:18 AM
Check this, maybe it helps:

http://www.tarantino.info/2012/12/20/django-unchained-movie-review/
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 26, 2012, 12:58:10 PM
So how close is "Django Unchained" to the spaghetti westerns "as we know them to be" (and by "we" I mean the members of Sergio Leone web board) in style, presentation and substance? I am not a fan of QT and I completely gave up on QT after IG. If I want to see his movie again, it would be because this time it is purportedly as "spag". Going by the D&D' review of the film, I think I can can give it a pass and save myself of the misery.

well I didn't really review the film. What I said was that I didn't find the jokes to be funny cuz they were having a good time with slavery, and that since I prefer a more straightforward storytelling style than I do the QT shtick, I didn't love it all that much. But if you do appreciate the QT style of storytelling, you will probably enjoy this.

As for your question re: the spag elements: though this movie is being billed as a spag, it obviously isn't cuz it has nothing to do with Italy. In terms of style, yes, there is a shitload of violence, which I'm sure you all know to expect from all of QT's movies anyway. I thought the violence was done very well, until the end where it just became bloody for bloody's sake, endless shootouts and more and more and more gratuitous blood.

Much of the movie takes place on plantations, but for your more typical Western landscapes ("miles and miles of sun-baked sand," which is such an important element of the Western), there are some scenes at the beginning with Western landscapes, it will be instantly noticeable to all Western fans that they are using the Sierras in Lone Pine, CA (which, of course, is a very famous location in which dozens of Westerns have been filmed, and some non-Westerns as well, like High Sierra). If they wanted to boost their spag-cred, couldn't they have at least shot some landscapes in Almeria? Filming locations here http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1853728/locations

So we've covered the violence (yes); the cast/crew/production companies (none of which, so far as I could tell, are Italian or Spanish); and the locations (none of which are in Spain).

What other characteristics distinguish a spag? Music. Django Unchained uses lots of music from the original Django. There's also a snatch of Morricone's theme for Two Mules for Sister Sara. And according to the credits, Morricone record a new song for this movie (I'm not sure what it was. (UPDATE:, though looking now on the movie's soundtrack on iTunes, I see there are 3 tracks attrributed to Morricone; a couple of them copy his theme from Two Mules for Sister Sara; the third is called "Un Monumento"; that must be the new song Morricone recorded for the movie).

What else is important about a spag, or Western in general? Well, the clothing of the hero. I'm sure you've all seen Django's clothes, IMO they won't be making anyone forget TMWNN anytime soon. Nothing distinctive about that. Nothing distinctive about his smoking habots either; he occasionally rolls a cigarette, but not much is made of it, it's not in any way used to build the character (like it is eg. with TMWNN, on whom Leone said "the cigar is playing the lead").

Another distinctive element of the spag is that the gangs are filled with characters who look like they've come from the freak show. well in Django Unchained, the only real "gang" is one scene with a bunch of KKK guys, and they all look like all-American Southerners (one of the most prominent member is Jonah Hill).. So no freak-show faces there

Hope this helps you decide whether or not this is a spag  ;)

and btw, that one scene I mentioned with the KKK guys is a comedic scene; one of the klansmen's wives has sewn the holes for the hoods, and done so very poorly so they can't see out of them. This leads to a whole comedic scene as they struggle with the hoods. One of the many scenes in the movie with humor that I found completely tasteless. For anyone old enough to even remember the KKK's marches through Southern towns in the 1960's, I don't think they'd find that scene very funny.


Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 26, 2012, 01:00:36 PM
D&D

I take it you never saw Blazing Saddles aswell.

no, the only QT movie I ever saw was Pulp Fiction and I didn't like it (I have no sense of humor), so I never saw another QT movie, till this one.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Rudra on December 26, 2012, 07:53:49 PM
Hello D&D,

Thank you for a very lucid and a comprehensive post. From whatever little snippets I have seen from the movie, the lacks that "feel" of a spaghetti western.

#1. Brightly lit sets, as opposed to light/shadow effect in the spaghetti westerns.

#2. Cast wearing clean ironed out attire, as if they just got back from dry cleaner' shop.

#3. The rugged looks, the sun burnt skin and that "rugged" voice, as if the talker has been a heavy tobacco smoker.

#4. As you noted, the film's crisp feel is rather distracting.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 27, 2012, 01:12:14 AM
I don't know why every review of this movie automatically called it "Quentin Tarantino's Spaghetti Western." Just cuz the main character, and title of the movie, uses the same name/title of a famous spag character movie? That's not enough to make it a spag.

It's not an actual spag, since (so far as I can tell), there is nothing Italian about it: none of the cast, crew, or production companies.

So if it's not an actual spag, it can still be called a "spag" if it's done in the spag style. But other than the extreme violence -- which we know is anyway a hallmark of all QT movies -- I really don't see anything spag-like about this movie. Having a violent Western with a Django character and Morricone/ Bacalav music doesn't make it a spag; and using the Sierras as your Western landscape locations is as American Western as can be. The Sierras are as distinctly "American Western" as are John Ford, John Wayne, or Howard Hawks. If he'd only filmed a few scenes in Almeria, I'd be ok with calling this a spag. But he didn't.
So far as I can tell, there is nothing Italo-Spanish in the cast, crew, production company, locations, gang members.
The only elements to that are in any way spag-related are: the violence; using the Django name and much of the Django music; and using some Morricone music (they use the Two Mules for Sister Sara theme, and Morricone wrote a new song for it as well).

So, in response to your questions (and hey, now that you asked, I'm having fun with this, as you can see  ;)) I wouldn't call this a spag.

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Btw, one unrelated matter I meant to say earlier but forgot: the movie also copies a camera technique used frequently in Django: the quick, long, sudden zooms. There are several times during big moments in Django where the camera is taking a long shot, and suddenly it'll swoop in with this big, quick zoom. Django Unchained copies that technique as well.

I re-watched Django the night before watching Django Unchained (I'd only seen it once before), and I am soooo hapoy that i did; it made me enjoy the movie so much more. While I may not have loved Django Unchained I greatly enjoyed those parts where it copies/references Django, eg. using the music; the cinematographic techniques, the Franco Nero cameo, etc.

Whether you'll ultimately love or hate Django Unchained, I can assure you that it will be a lot more fun if you are thorougly familiar with Django, cuz then you will greatly enjoy those parts which copy Django

Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: cigar joe on December 27, 2012, 04:35:19 AM
I don't know why every review of this movie automatically called it "Quentin Tarantino's Spaghetti Western." Just cuz the main character, and title of the movie, uses the same name/title of a famous spag character movie? That's not enough to make it a spag.

It's not an actual spag, since (so far as I can tell), there is nothing Italian about it: none of the cast, crew, or production companies.

So if it's not an actual spag, it can still be called a "spag" if it's done in the spag style. But other than the extreme violence -- which we know is anyway a hallmark of all QT movies -- I really don't see anything spag-like about this movie. Having a violent Western with a Django character and Morricone/ Bacalav music doesn't make it a spag; and using the Sierras as your Western landscape locations is as American Western as can be. The Sierras are as distinctly "American Western" as are John Ford, John Wayne, or Howard Hawks. If he'd only filmed a few scenes in Almeria, I'd be ok with calling this a spag. But he didn't.
So far as I can tell, there is nothing Italo-Spanish in the cast, crew, production company, locations, gang members.
The only elements to that are in any way spag-related are: the violence; using the Django name and much of the Django music; and using some Morricone music (they use the Two Mules for Sister Sara theme, and Morricone wrote a new song for it as well).

So, in response to your questions (and hey, now that you asked, I'm having fun with this, as you can see  ;)) I wouldn't call this a spag.

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Btw, one unrelated matter I meant to say earlier but forgot: the movie also copies a camera technique used frequently in Django: the quick, long, sudden zooms. There are several times during big moments in Django where the camera is taking a long shot, and suddenly it'll swoop in with this big, quick zoom. Django Unchained copies that technique as well.

I re-watched Django the night before watching Django Unchained (I'd only seen it once before), and I am soooo hapoy that i did; it made me enjoy the movie so much more. While I may not have loved Django Unchained I greatly enjoyed those parts where it copies/references Django, eg. using the music; the cinematographic techniques, the Franco Nero cameo, etc.

Whether you'll ultimately love or hate Django Unchained, I can assure you that it will be a lot more fun if you are thorougly familiar with Django, cuz then you will greatly enjoy those parts which copy Django



What about Franco Nero's cameo, is it just the snippet we've seen or is it more expansive?
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on December 27, 2012, 08:11:17 AM
By definition it can't be a Spaghetti Western since it's not an Italian film. But I'm not really shocked that a QT film has QT's style. Genre is secondary here.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 27, 2012, 08:42:00 AM
What about Franco Nero's cameo, is it just the snippet we've seen or is it more expansive?

it's very brief, just that one scene
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: dave jenkins on December 27, 2012, 02:48:05 PM
I disagree that it portrayed mistreatment of blacks as a joke. The whole movie may be presented in a goofy, blaxploitation-esque matter, but the more serious racial scenes are dealt with rather dramatically. There may be some slight racist humor, but nothing that should bother people unless they don't know how to take a joke. There's no reason to trash IB or Django. Everyone knows the history, and filmmakers have reiterated time and time again how horrible these moments in history were. Tarantino is a filmmaker, he knows these horrors, shows these horrors, and is still able to present them in a lighthearted matter. He's not trying to convince people that these were actually lighthearted events, but instead just making a damn entertaining movie based on events which occurred many, many years ago.
I saw the film in the Bronx with a largely black audience. They laughed all the way through, and no one, as far as I could make out, got offended and left.
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That being said I'm pretty disappointed with the film. The conflict is so, so, so weak. The characters face very little to no challenge in finding the people they are searching for or accomplishing their goals. There's not a single moment where Django or King Schultz is worried about something. Everything is rushed and happens way too abruptly, with little to no payoff for the major plot events. One sequence in the film which lasts 30-40 minutes and mirrors the Inglourious Basterds basement scene is the dullest part of the movie by far, lacking any wit or tension whatsoever. The sense of adventure which the film SHOULD have is almost completely missing.
Spot on.  O0
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: dave jenkins on December 27, 2012, 05:28:16 PM
I don't know why every review of this movie automatically called it "Quentin Tarantino's Spaghetti Western." Just cuz the main character, and title of the movie, uses the same name/title of a famous spag character movie? That's not enough to make it a spag.

It's not an actual spag, since (so far as I can tell), there is nothing Italian about it: none of the cast, crew, or production companies.

So if it's not an actual spag, it can still be called a "spag" if it's done in the spag style. But other than the extreme violence -- which we know is anyway a hallmark of all QT movies -- I really don't see anything spag-like about this movie. Having a violent Western with a Django character and Morricone/ Bacalav music doesn't make it a spag; and using the Sierras as your Western landscape locations is as American Western as can be. The Sierras are as distinctly "American Western" as are John Ford, John Wayne, or Howard Hawks. If he'd only filmed a few scenes in Almeria, I'd be ok with calling this a spag. But he didn't.
So far as I can tell, there is nothing Italo-Spanish in the cast, crew, production company, locations, gang members.
The only elements to that are in any way spag-related are: the violence; using the Django name and much of the Django music; and using some Morricone music (they use the Two Mules for Sister Sara theme, and Morricone wrote a new song for it as well).

So, in response to your questions (and hey, now that you asked, I'm having fun with this, as you can see  ;)) I wouldn't call this a spag.
A poster at criterionforum.org made this excellent observation:
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Tarantino's picture certainly isn't a remake of the earlier Django. In fact, other than the appropriation of the name and the style of the theme music, it owes little stylistically to the Spaghetti. When one considers the main character's motivation (an obsessive love for a wronged wife), the use of the iconic stone formations in Lone Pine, the charismatic villain who admires the hero, the font used for the title, and even the late 50's era Columbia logo, it would seem that this is a deranged offspring of the Boetticher/Scott Ranown cycle.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 27, 2012, 06:24:17 PM
I saw the film in the Bronx with a largely black audience. They laughed all the way through, and no one, as far as I could make out, got offended and left.


I saw this at the UA at Sheepshead Bay (first time I was there; it's now officially one of my 2 favorite theaters, along with AMC on 34th; the screens are enormous) and sitting next to me was a black woman, her husband, and child. They laughed through the whole thing as well. And as far as I could tell, nobody left in middle either. But that doesn't mean I am wrong to believe the movie has too much of a good time with slavery.

On a peripheral note: there are many blacks -- particularly the young hip hop generation -- who use the N-word all the time. Does that mean that I am wrong to believe that it's an offensive word? (And that the ones how use it are idiots for using a word that is so hateful to a group that was so mistreated).
btw, I do not have a problem with the movie's use of the N-word; it's a fact of life that that word was used and it shouldn't be sugar-coated; my problem is in that the abuse of blacks is portrayed in a very comedic way. My point about blacksblacks' use of the N-word is just to make a general analogy, that even though I am not black, I can feel that certain things are offensive even if there are  some blacks who don't. So yeah, I am sure there are many blacks who will see this movie and laugh straight through it. I still think its portrayal of racism was ridiculous.

Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 27, 2012, 09:37:28 PM
LA Times article "Django an Unsettling Experience for Many Blacks"  http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-django-reax-2-20121228,0,1771716.story

The comments of one of the people interviewed here, named Tim Cogshell, are so fucking stupid that they don't even deserve to be acknowledged any further. But otherwise, this is an interesting article, and I see there are some people who feel just like I do: it's not a question over the use of the n-word (doesn't bother me), or whether QT believes slavery as evil (of course he does). Rather, the issue is whether slavery should be used as a source for comedy. IMO there some things that are too sad and too serious to be used as a basis for comedy.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on December 28, 2012, 05:03:54 AM
Anthony Lane from The New Yorker:

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The new Quentin Tarantino picture, “Django Unchained,” stars Jamie Foxx as a slave named Django, and mid-nineteenth-century America as the chains. Our hero is freed by Dr. Schultz (Christoph Waltz), a bounty hunter posing as a dentist, who appears to have escaped from a Buñuel film; trim of beard and florid of rhetoric, he would rather die than act uncivilly, and would rather kill than prolong an unsavory argument. He needs Django as a witness, to identify potential targets, and the pair become a team, dispatching wanted men and handing over the corpses for cash.

The first half of the tale is skillfully balanced, the best thing that Tarantino has done since “Jackie Brown,” and its comedy bristles with barbs. To watch a posse of marauding Klansmen, hooded with white bags, complain that they can’t see through the eyeholes is to wish dearly that D. W. Griffith, who lauded the Klan in “The Birth of a Nation,” were at one’s side. But something happens to the pace and the poise of “Django Unchained” as the hunters head South and the screen fills with the word “Mississippi.” Here resides Calvin Candie (Leonardo DiCaprio), slave owner, brocaded fop, and master of Candyland, the plantation estate where his subjects toil, among them Broomhilda (Kerry Washington), Django’s wife. But is Tarantino truly engaged with those subjects? He is happy to film whippings, in unstinting detail, or the incarceration of Broomhilda, whom Django has come to save. Yet she barely exists as a character, and even Django seems to morph from a near-silent sufferer into an avenging angel, grinning in glory, without passing through the usual stages of personhood. What really grips Tarantino is the chance to bait us, as he has done before, with metronomic mentions of the N-word—uttered with especial relish by Stephen (Samuel L. Jackson), the majordomo of Candyland, and the most terrifying of Uncle Toms.

The reason for the crawl and slither of these later scenes is plain: the director is coiling himself, as is his wont, for an apocalypse of blood. Dr. Schultz triggers it with one brief deed. “I couldn’t resist,” he says, and that mix of mock-apology and merry boast is purest Tarantino. He has such a fine eye, and his travelling shots of horses and riders are a hint of what tremendous cowboy flicks he might have made, in a straighter age, but his films continue to be snared in a tangle of morality and style. Tarantino is dangerously in love with the look of evil, and all he can counter it with is cool—not strength of purpose, let alone goodness of heart, but simple comeuppance, issued with merciless panache. That is what Django delivers, and it’s the least that Candie deserves, together with other defenders of the Southern status quo: such, at any rate, will be the claim of Tarantino’s fans, although I was disturbed by their yelps of triumphant laughter, at the screening I attended, as a white woman was blown away by Django’s gun. By the time Tarantino shows up as a redneck with an unexplained Australian accent, “Django Unchained” has mislaid its melancholy, and its bitter wit, and become a raucous romp. It is a tribute to the spaghetti Western, cooked al dente, then cooked a while more, and finally sauced to death.

Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/cinema/2013/01/07/130107crci_cinema_lane#ixzz2GLbLyOSN

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/cinema/2013/01/07/130107crci_cinema_lane?currentPage=1 (http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/cinema/2013/01/07/130107crci_cinema_lane?currentPage=1)

Again, this sounds not dissimilar from my beef with Inglourious Basterds. Something tells me I'll hate this film, yet I still want to see it.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: PowerRR on December 28, 2012, 11:19:04 PM
LA Times article "Django an Unsettling Experience for Many Blacks"  http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-django-reax-2-20121228,0,1771716.story

The comments of one of the people interviewed here, named Tim Cogshell, are so fucking stupid that they don't even deserve to be acknowledged any further. But otherwise, this is an interesting article, and I see there are some people who feel just like I do: it's not a question over the use of the n-word (doesn't bother me), or whether QT believes slavery as evil (of course he does). Rather, the issue is whether slavery should be used as a source for comedy. IMO there some things that are too sad and too serious to be used as a basis for comedy.
Tim Cogshell in this article is the reason I still have to be a racist prick to some people.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on December 29, 2012, 11:49:12 AM
I'm having blog difficulties so I'll post my review here first:

At different points during Django Unchained (2012) I felt like I should be amused or excited, offended or sickened. But Quentin Tarantino's new flick mostly inspired indifference. You can only see the same tricks umpteen times, and Django's only marked distinction from Kill Bill or Inglourious Basterds is its genre.

Texas 1858. Dentist-bounty hunter King Schultz (Christoph Waltz) frees slave Django (Jamie Foxx) and enlists him as a partner. King needs Django to identify the Brittle brothers, three slave overseers-turned-outlaws. The two quickly bond, with King agreeing to help Django track down and rescue wife Broomhilda (Kerry Washington). Unfortunately Broomhilda now works for Calvin Candie (Leonardo DiCaprio), a brutal Mississippi plantation owner with a nose for intrigue.

Tarantino's nominal branching out from crime films has paid off handsomely. Audiences loved Kill Bill's blood splatter and Uma Thurman's strong performance, while Basterds won acclaim as a deconstruction of war films. Yet Groggy finds Tarantino's style extremely grating when applied to other genres. Django Unchained approaches the Western as Pulp Fiction in Stetson and chaps. (Aside from cribbing Luis Bacalov's title tune and a cutesy Franco Nero cameo, it bears no resemblance to Sergio Corbucchi's Django.)

Django Unchained is a lumpen, self-indulgent mess. Scenes go on interminably for their own sake, dissolving the expected tension and humor. You initially admire Tarantino's audacity in staging a Birth of the Nation-style Klan rally with the vigilantes complaining about ill-fitting masks. When it goes on for five minutes though the charm wears off. Every scene is like this, with Tarantino seeing no need to cut a single frame. For all the pretty scenery and loquacious persiflage there's not enough to justify the 165 minute runtime.

The film's treatment of slavery raised many eyebrows. Suffice to say Tarantino dwells on its nastier side, from whippings and dog maulings to brutal slave fights. These scenes aren't played for laughs but feel jarring contrasted with Tarantino's jerky zooms, blood-gushing shootouts and jaunty hip-hop score. Django Unchains riffs on exploitation films like Mandingo and Boss Nigger, without their sleazy earnestness. Instead it plays like a really rotten joke.

In fairness, Tarantino gets a few things right. Django's evolution from submissive slave to self-assured action hero is an effective character arc, making him an amiable black avenger. His buddy dynamic with King provides the film drive and focus. Tarantino sends up "scientific" racism by making Candie a phrenologist who justifies slavery by studying a Negro skull. Making Candie's house servant (Samuel L. Jackson) an even worse villain is another nice touch. These bits show the film Django Unchained could have been.

But mainly Django is just repetitive and overly familiar. Long passages merely rehash Basterds: King's verbose introduction, a "private" conversation auf Deutsch, Candie's tense dinner party, the explosive ending. Robert Richardson provides gorgeous photography but the landscapes and luscious detail don't advance the story. The last 20 minutes are completely superfluous. Tarantino throws in nifty homages to Spaghetti favorites like A Professional Gun (the bleeding carnation) and Sabata (King's derringer-rig) but they're fleeting moments.

Jamie Foxx is solid. Django's not the deepest character but Foxx has the perfect defiant swagger to pull him off. Christoph Waltz though falls too readily back on Hans Landa shtick. If Waltz has anything else in his repertoire he'd better break it out soon. At least he's less irritating than Leonardo DiCaprio, whose cartoon Southerner quickly grows annoying. Samuel L. Jackson's vicious Uncle Tom proves the most memorable character.

Tarantino provides numerous B-lister cameos. Not only Franco Nero but Bruce Dern, Don Johnson, Robert Carradine, James Remar, James Russo, M.C. Ginley and Michael Parks make brief appearances. More ill-advised are Jonah Hill as a budding Klansman and Tarantino himself, sporting the gnarliest Aussie accent this side of an Outback commercial. These walk-ons are fun but don't add up to much.

Which sums up Django Unchained perfectly. A movie with this much violence and controversial content ought to provoke some reaction. Sadly, Django Unchained is just more Tarantino silliness in a slightly different package.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 29, 2012, 06:10:28 PM
I agree that the last 20 minutes or su are completely superfluous. The movie definitely should have ended, one way or another, at Candieland. It's ridiculous how the had this loooooong scene at Candieland, and then a huge shootout, but then the movie continues long after they leave Candieland! Maybe that's just QT saying "you thought it would end here, well it's not, haha" but I definitely thought that those scenes after Candieland should never have been there
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 29, 2012, 06:16:05 PM
The movie currently has an 8.8/10 on imdb. I don't know how many of those votes are from "regular voters" (the only ones whose votes qualify for Top 250), but if that movie should reach 25,000 votes (currently at 17,000) and hold the same rating, it will debut at about number 20 on the imdb 250. And that is absomotherfuckinglutely ridiculous (which is at least as ridiuclous as Pulp Fiction being in the top 10, which I believe it is)
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on December 29, 2012, 06:38:53 PM
Well it's got an 89% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Tarantino's movies are usually well-received.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 30, 2012, 01:56:19 AM
IMO, in general, the desire to be "unconventional," has caused far more bad in movie-making than the desire to be conventional has. I'm all for filmmakers breaking with convention, or shocking the viewer, but not when they do it just for the sake of breaking with convention, or just for the sake of shocking you

 IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE AND DON'T WANT IT TO BE SPOILED, THEN YOU SHOULDN'T BE READING THIS THREAD TILL YOU SEE IT
Now, in case anyone cares about the story, I'll just say, that the moment Django lets the runaways slave/fighter get torn apart by the dogs, he is no longer a hero, he is just as big a piece of shit Uncle Tom as is the Samuel L. Jackson character.

yeah, I understand that he has to taunt the salves or show indifference to their suffering so that DiCaprio shouldn't think he's up to anything, but allowing the runway to be torn apart by the dogs is going way too far. Leo asks Django and Schultz if they mind if he sets the dogs on the runaway, and they say no. Could they have saved him anyway -- was Leo gonna kill him either way,  was just using this question to test them? Maybe. I don't think it's like Ernest Borgnine with Jamie Sanchez in the Wild Bunch, where Borgnine literally had zero chance to save Sanchez, he was surrounding by hundreds of soldiers, so his only option was to pretend to not give a damn about him. In the case of Django, I think there's a reasonable chance that Django and Schultz could have saved the runaway by saying "don't do it," and the fact that they completely didn't give a fuck about him, just cuz they were trying to get Broomhilda, made me totally not give a fuck about Django for the rest of the movie, I completely didn't care what happened to him. To the extent that I wanted Broomhilda to be saved, it was just cuz, like anyone in captivity, I want them to be saved, but not because I in any way cared about Django any more than I cared about eg. Leo or Samuel L.

Even TMWNN in FOD, at first he watches as the Rojo gang abuse the "holy" family, but when push comes to shove, he does save them.

Allowing an innocent slave to be torn apart by dogs is something that no hero --- no matter how unconventional, no matter how shocking, no matter how anti-hero he is --- should ever be associated with.  For any hero, no matter how much of an anti-hero he is, on some level the audience has to like him and root for him, but in this instance I felt not the slightest bit for Django as soon as he let that guy get torn apart by the dogs.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: stanton on December 30, 2012, 02:29:51 AM
The movie currently has an 8.8/10 on imdb. I don't know how many of those votes are from "regular voters" (the only ones whose votes qualify for Top 250), but if that movie should reach 25,000 votes (currently at 17,000) and hold the same rating, it will debut at about number 20 on the imdb 250. And that is absomotherfuckinglutely ridiculous (which is at least as ridiuclous as Pulp Fiction being in the top 10, which I believe it is)

As Pulp Fiction is much, much better than 4 (or maybe 5 as I never tried to watch The Shawshank Redemption) of the other 9 in this Top 10, it makes perfectly sense for me that it is in. And as Pulp fiction was a very influential film too (for good or worse) I don't see why it should not make a top 10 of US films.
On the other hand as IMDB is an everyone's list it should probably not be in the top 10. 
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Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 30, 2012, 02:59:30 AM
As Pulp Fiction is much, much better than 4 (or maybe 5 as I never tried to watch The Shawshank Redemption) of the other 9 in this Top 10, it makes perfectly sense for me that it is in. And as Pulp fiction was a very influential film too (for good or worse) I don't see why it should not make a top 10 of US films.
On the other hand as IMDB is an everyone's list it should probably not be in the top 10. 

I just checked; at the moment, Pulp Fiction is actually at #4, behind only Shawshank, GF, and GFII. GBU has slipped to #5.

Shawshank certainly ain't the greatest movie ever, but it's a damn good one and you should definitely see it.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 30, 2012, 03:20:01 AM
Tim Cogshell in this article is the reason I still have to be a racist prick to some people.


That statement of yours is no less ridiculous than are the statements by Cogshell.

I wouldn't blame black people for Cogshell's bullshit any more than I would blame white people for your bullshit.

Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: stanton on December 30, 2012, 03:30:58 AM
I just checked; at the moment, Pulp Fiction is actually at #4, behind only Shawshank, GF, and GFII. GBU has slipped to #5.

Shawshank certainly ain't the greatest movie ever, but it's a damn good one and you should definitely see it.


My only interest is to check why it got so famous, the film itself is still one I'm happy to miss. Actually I missed it several times on TV in the least years. I also never read anything about it which sounded interesting. So that a few years ago I was pretty surprised that it got quite a reputation meanwhile.

I assume it is some kind of consensus movie.

Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 30, 2012, 03:54:12 AM
My only interest is to check why it got so famous, the film itself is still one I'm happy to miss. Actually I missed it several times on TV in the least years. I also never read anything about it which sounded interesting. So that a few years ago I was pretty surprised that it got quite a reputation meanwhile.

I assume it is some kind of consensus movie.



well apparently it made few waves in theaters (though it did get quite  a few Oscar nominations) and was pulled quickly, but somehow it was a miracle of video rentals and word of mouth; released the same year as Pulp Fiction and Forrest Gump, it was Shawshank that became the highest grossing video rental of 1995; when it had its network premier on CBS in January 1999, the showing gave CBS "it's strongets showing among adult men in four years," according to this April 30, 1999 article in The Wall Street Journal called "Shawshank's Redemption: How a Movie Found an Afterlife." http://www.shawshankredemption.org/wsj.htm

As you see in the article, even one of the executives at Castle Rock Entertainment, which produced Shawshank, thinks it's silly how the movie rates #1 om IMDB. But the movie shouldn't be penalized just because it's overrated on IMDB. I'd advise anyone who hasn't seen it to put it at the top of their queue; don't read about it anymore, don't have anything spoiled, just WATCH IT
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on December 30, 2012, 06:49:50 AM
Shawshank, though it's always been a highly-rated movie on IMDB, has The Dark Knight to thank for its current spot. Back in 2008 TDK fans launched an aggressive campaign to down-vote The Godfather (previous No. 1 film) and The Godfather fans responded in kind. Shawshank, which was two or three at the time, was left unscathed and emerged on top. Funny how things work out, huh Nolan fans? :D
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Lil Brutto on December 30, 2012, 11:27:43 AM
Shawshank is a great film. Definitely worth watching. In my top 2 alongside GBU.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 30, 2012, 12:08:38 PM
Shawshank, though it's always been a highly-rated movie on IMDB, has The Dark Knight to thank for its current spot. Back in 2008 TDK fans launched an aggressive campaign to down-vote The Godfather (previous No. 1 film) and The Godfather fans responded in kind. Shawshank, which was two or three at the time, was left unscathed and emerged on top. Funny how things work out, huh Nolan fans? :D

that is ridiculously silly, to down-vote Movie X cuz you want Movie Y to rise in the standings. I just vote my belief for each movie and that's all.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on December 30, 2012, 12:33:53 PM
It's IMDB. Everyone there is a troll, moron or fanboy.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: emmo26 on December 30, 2012, 02:19:04 PM
Is the film worth viewing just for the GBU reference mentioned in IMDB?


or



is best just to wait for the dvd with extras.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on December 30, 2012, 03:58:11 PM
There's a FAFDM reference too.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 30, 2012, 05:43:23 PM
Is the film worth viewing just for the GBU reference mentioned in IMDB?


or



is best just to wait for the dvd with extras.
u talking about Django Unchained?

It's not worth viewing in any format
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: cigar joe on January 02, 2013, 04:29:17 AM
Well finally mosied on down to see Django Unchained with the family last night to see what all the ruckus was about and since my expectations, based on my colleagues reviews, was low, I ended up being pleasantly surprised. Is it a serious Western? no, is it a comedy Western? no, is it a picaresque tongue-in-cheek over the top homage to AW's, SW's, Blaxpoitation films, and American popular culture, YES!

The theater was packed, young, old, black, white. At the end there was even a scattering of applause. Is it a Great Western no, but it was refreshing to see a non PC Western that wasn't a remake, wasn't gnat's ass historically accurate, wasn't touchy freely, wasn't serious in the least. 7-8/10.
Title: DJANGO UNCHAINED
Post by: Snake-Eyes on January 03, 2013, 06:53:46 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing this. I've been lucky enough to have seen all of Tarantino's films on the big screen and whilst some were pretty hit-and-miss for me (Jackie Brown) I've enjoyed most of his work. I remember I didn't dig INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS upon the initial viewing - I think I was expecting a very different film but I've ordered the blu-ray and I'm gonna give it another shot.  

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I snared the first issue of the DC / Vertigo Comics adaptation of the film yesterday. Good stuff, just above the average film tie-in comic with an intro by QT and some nice 'character sketches' included.  
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: cigar joe on January 05, 2013, 04:20:00 AM
It's of course not perfect, Tarantino borrows a page from Corbucci, it's about 20 minutes too long and over indulgent. It had quite a few Spaghetti Western references that I caught and probably quite a few that I didn't, on the first go-round.

The King Schultz character is almost the spitting image and tone of two very similar Franco Nero (the original Django) Spaghetti Western roles, Sergei Kowalski the Polish Mercenary in "The Mercenary" and the Swedish Arms Dealer Yodlaf Peterson, in "Vamos a Matar Companeros" (or Companeros).

You could almost call it a Sauerkraut Western, Waltz is that good,  ;D
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Cusser on January 05, 2013, 06:00:05 PM
Going tonight !!!
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Cusser on January 06, 2013, 09:35:19 AM
I enjoyed the film.  Tarantino is not the one for doing the same type of films as everyone else, he takes chances.  From QT, I expect plenty of SW references and nods, liked that.  I hadn't heard Day of Anger in a while, recognized Two Mules, the "Fur Elise" from the Big Gundown.  Liked Django appearing from the dynamite smoke/dust like in FOD, liked the "son of a ..." similar to in GBU.  Walz had gun up the sleeve like Van Cleef Mortimer and Sabata (if memory serves).

Walz and Foxx were very good.  Jonah Hill has absolutely no talent, even Ronny Howard's ubiquitous little brother would've been better.  I recognized Franco Nero.  I thought there was good use of character actors from western films too.

Yeah, I know six-shot revolvers weren't all that common in 1858, or affordable, part of all western mythologies.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: cigar joe on January 07, 2013, 05:35:15 PM
Some additional thoughts.

Just like American music jazz/blues/rock 'n roll was absorbed outside and then was reflected back at us in the "British Invasion" of the United States pop market evolving a paella of stylistic innovations. American Westerns were absorbed and reflected back to us as "western all'italiana" (Spaghetti Westerns) which were internationally popular.

You would have thought we would then have absorbed them in turn and made our own versions inviting the Italian artists to Hollywood to collaborate with our artists to make a new joint international "reflection" and advance the genre but instead it seems events opted the film industry to just appropriate the "star" (Eastwood) and attempt to reign in the Western product, possibly the demise of the Studio System and a controlling studio head contributed to the failure to recognize and capitalize on the improvisational riff/reflection trend.

Somewhat belatedly Django Unchained is sort of what that reflection back may have looked like.  ^-^
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: titoli on January 08, 2013, 01:49:56 AM
Some additional thoughts.

Just like American music jazz/blues/rock 'n roll was absorbed outside and then was reflected back at us in the "British Invasion" of the United States pop market evolving a paella of stylistic innovations. American Westerns were absorbed and reflected back to us as "western all'italiana" (Spaghetti Westerns) which were internationally popular.

You would have thought we would then have absorbed them in turn and made our own versions inviting the Italian artists to Hollywood to collaborate with our artists to make a new joint international "reflection" and advance the genre but instead it seems events opted the film industry to just appropriate the "star" (Eastwood) and attempt to reign in the Western product, possibly the demise of the Studio System and a controlling studio head contributed to the failure to recognize and capitalize on the improvisational riff/reflection trend.

Somewhat belatedly Django Unchained is sort of what that reflection back may have looked like.  ^-^

I don't think the comparison you draw  is well founded. SW were internationally popular, yes: except in USA and with the exception of Leone. Now, having the star and funding the Leone movies, why Hollywood should have bothered further? SW became popular (to a point: more of a cult) in USA with vhs that made them generally available: Tarantino himself bears witness to this. It could make more sense comparing  the Beatles and Leone. And stop there. But then: american established journalism just couldn't put up with a dago stealing one of their few national cultural (?) glories, while nobody cared about  Liverpool taking over from Memphis, at least at the time.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: cigar joe on January 08, 2013, 06:38:33 AM
I don't think the comparison you draw  is well founded. SW were internationally popular, yes: except in USA and with the exception of Leone. Now, having the star and funding the Leone movies, why Hollywood should have bothered further? SW became popular (to a point: more of a cult) in USA with vhs that made them generally available: Tarantino himself bears witness to this. It could make more sense comparing  the Beatles and Leone. And stop there. But then: american established journalism just couldn't put up with a dago stealing one of their few national cultural (?) glories, while nobody cared about  Liverpool taking over from Memphis, at least at the time.

Its just a thought, or perhaps a dream of what could have been, one form of Western riffing off the other, back and forth, instead of the whole genre unraveling.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on January 08, 2013, 08:31:12 AM
Ebert just gave it 4 stars:

http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2013/01/django_unchained.html
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on January 08, 2013, 08:35:00 AM
Ebert gives everything four stars anymore.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 08, 2013, 08:43:53 AM
Ebert did not review this movie; Jim Emerson did.

Ebert recently broke his hip, has been in a rehab home, and has not reviewed any movies in the past couple of weeks
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: cigar joe on January 08, 2013, 04:14:03 PM
Ebert did not review this movie; Jim Emerson did.

Ebert recently broke his hip, has been in a rehab home, and has not reviewed any movies in the past couple of weeks

You sure? looks like he adds this at the very botton of the article:

1/8/13: I added material involving Stephen, played by Samuel L. Jackson.
For the record: My star rating would be: Four stars.
Yes, had I not been prevented from seeing it sooner because of an injury, this would have been on my year's best films list,
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 09, 2013, 08:50:36 AM
You sure? looks like he adds this at the very botton of the article:

1/8/13: I added material involving Stephen, played by Samuel L. Jackson.
For the record: My star rating would be: Four stars.
Yes, had I not been prevented from seeing it sooner because of an injury, this would have been on my year's best films list,

Yeah, you're right, I did't see that note by Ebert at the bottom of the article

I am actually surprised to see him give that rating to a movie like this. Ebert is a guy who can find racism anywhere, nothing is ever pro-minority enough, anti-white enough, for him; I've never seen more of a self-hating white guy. So the fact that he loves this movie... maybe it's just cuz it's Tarantino that he could get away with it
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: T.H. on January 10, 2013, 03:21:02 PM
I loved the movie, thought it was a lot of fun. I'm thankful it never crossed into IB territory with stuff like bear jew and Pitt's performance (that movie has grown on me though). I could have done without some of the soundtrack choices but QT pulls them off. This could have been basically perfect had the events in the plot been better structured but I got my money's worth for sure.
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Post by: dave jenkins on January 11, 2013, 02:28:18 PM
Quint is a twit: http://www.deadline.com/2013/01/quentin-tarantino-has-heated-exchange-with-uk-journalist-on-movie-violence-says-im-not-your-slave-video/
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: cigar joe on January 11, 2013, 05:41:53 PM
Quint is a twit:

Yea but he's our twit  ^-^
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 14, 2013, 08:06:59 AM
The movie currently has an 8.8/10 on imdb. I don't know how many of those votes are from "regular voters" (the only ones whose votes qualify for Top 250), but if that movie should reach 25,000 votes (currently at 17,000) and hold the same rating, it will debut at about number 20 on the imdb 250. And that is absomotherfuckinglutely ridiculous (which is at least as ridiuclous as Pulp Fiction being in the top 10, which I believe it is)

it finally happened: Django Unchained is officially on the IMDB Top 250 List, currently at #43
http://www.imdb.com/chart/top?tt1853728

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on January 14, 2013, 09:29:12 AM
it finally happened: Django Unchained is officially on the IMDB Top 250 List, currently at #43
http://www.imdb.com/chart/top?tt1853728

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I'd think more  :'( or  ??? or  :(. Maybe  :P
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: mike siegel on January 14, 2013, 11:28:47 AM
From 1992 until some 10 years ago ago Tarantino was probably my hero when it came to 'young' Directors. Every film was an event, and all were really great. DOGS borrowed from others a lot, but worked out so well thanks to his directorial talents. PULP was groundbreaking, no question about it. JACKIE was a more mature film, very relaxed and skillfully done. KILL BILL 1 became (probably) my favorite. Fantastic work from a film makers point of view. He got out so much from a two page treatment. Wasn't much of a story, but one hell of a job when it comes to ideas, the right tone, creating scenes & moments.
Moments. Those moments that stick with you. Moments that distinguish a good or even great film from a mediocre one. He had plenty in his first 5 films!
Then DEATH PROOF was rather boring. And I'm a car nut, VANISHING POINT being on my Top 20 list. BASTERDS was OK, but no sparks flying. EXCEPT for Waltz. The interesting choice of music in KILL BILL did not work here. MERCENARIO & NAZIS ? I was distracted from the beginning.
But the fact that Tarantino 'made' Waltz a star (over here we know him for 20 years of course, but no-one over here was capable of exploring his talent! Seems like he's our Bruce Lee or Eastwood) is proof that Tarantino IS a great Director. He can get out the best out of his actors. Not many are able to direct that way, and see what others do not see.

But he himself lost it a little bit I think. DJANGO is like BASTERDS just another much lesser KILL BILL. This time not in the war but in the west.
Leonardo is great, Waltz of course. This German business comes across great over here of course. Big fun.
I was hoping so much that I would love this film. GBU is his favorite film. I thought (10 years ago) 'if anybody can make a really cool western,
it must be Quentin
.'

<spoiler>

Well, I don't love it. It is a rather pointless experience, a two hour story put into 160 minutes. Where were those moments? Whenever he was moving his film towards them, I got dissappointed (becoming a gun man, encounter with his wife, death of Waltz etc . etc.). Almost anti-direction.
The KILL BILL 1 fight brought something to the martial arts genre, the shoot-outs in UNCHAINED certainly not. There's nothing to worry about, Sam.
Quentin, please go back to gangsters & martial arts! This is your line!
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: cigar joe on January 14, 2013, 02:29:51 PM
This is what the success of Django Unchained may accomplish though... ^-^ ^-^ ^-^

Looks like the QT, Castellari, and Nero quid pro quo arrangement is still on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EM0s_7h5g8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EM0s_7h5g8)
(relevant section from 1:48 to 2:52)
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on January 14, 2013, 03:58:48 PM
Mike! Your spoiler came out of nowhere! Please scream SPOILER before you explain who's dying in the movie!

I'm now very exited about this film. I'll probably watch it Thursday (it will be released on Wednesday here). I don't expect to love it at first sight but if it's as good as Death Proof I'll buy the BD without hesitation. I know it's more IB than Death Proof but the last trailer doesn't have the ultra cheap IB feeling to it.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: cigar joe on January 14, 2013, 04:46:55 PM
Mike! Your spoiler came out of nowhere! Please scream SPOILER before you explain who's dying in the movie!

I'm now very exited about this film. I'll probably watch it Thursday (it will be released on Wednesday here). I don't expect to love it at first sight but if it's as good as Death Proof I'll buy the BD without hesitation. I know it's more IB than Death Proof but the last trailer doesn't have the ultra cheap IB feeling to it.

spoiler fixed  O0
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: dave jenkins on January 15, 2013, 08:35:51 AM
Well, I don't love it. It is a rather pointless experience, a two hour story put into 160 minutes. Where were those moments? Whenever he was moving his film towards them, I got dissappointed. Almost anti-direction. The KILL BILL 1 fight brought something to the martial arts genre, the shoot-outs in UNCHAINED certainly not.
Two words: Sally Menke. Without his late editor, the QT style is plodding, dull.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: mike siegel on January 15, 2013, 09:11:19 AM
I'm sorry about that !
I hate spoilers. It goes so far that I didn't follow any talk about this film at all, I didn't even watch the trailer.
The older I get, the more I long for those years when I was (very) young
and just bought a ticket based on who directed or acted in films.
I want to be surprised.
I was pleasantly surprised by R.E.D., STRANGER THAN FICTION and KICKASS for instance, I didn't expect much of
those and had wonderful evenings.

AND, right, soo right.
Was Sally the only one capable of doing the job ?
I felt that there is a very fine film hidden in UNCHAINED. Of course,
Tarantino films great stuff. But why hidden  :'(
Nothing should be hidden in a Tarantino film, perfection of all things last.


Sorry again.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: cigar joe on January 15, 2013, 09:17:38 AM
I'm sorry about that !
I hate spoilers. It goes so far that I didn't follow any talk about this film at all, I didn't even watch the trailer.
The older I get, the more I long for those years when I was (very) young
and just bought a ticket based on who directed or acted in films.
I want to be surprised.
I was pleasantly surprised by R.E.D., STRANGER THAN FICTION and KICKASS for instance, I didn't expect much of
those and had wonderful evenings.

AND, right, soo right.
Was Sally the only one capable of doing the job ?
I felt that there is a very fine film hidden in UNCHAINED. Of course,
Tarantino films great stuff. But why hidden  :'(
Nothing should be hidden in a Tarantino film, perfection of all things last.


Sorry again.

Its OK
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Dust Devil on January 15, 2013, 09:22:58 AM
I'm spoilers immune. 8)
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Cusser on January 15, 2013, 11:50:06 AM
I also hate spoilers.  Lots of times the trailers and commercials show too much.  For example, GBU trailer shows a three-way gunfight, didn't see this trailer before the film first showed here in 1968.  So there I was, 15 years old, watching GBU and Tuco unearthing the gold coins and - like Blondie and Tuco - had somewhat forgotten about Angel Eyes.  In other words, I was not expecting that there would be a 3-way gunfight.

I guess I should've realized Angel Eyes would reappear; after all, it wasn't titled "The Good and the Ugly".

I used to think I was an idiot savant.  Mrs. Cusser says I'm half-right.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on January 15, 2013, 01:12:15 PM
Yea but he's our twit  ^-^

You can have him.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 15, 2013, 01:20:32 PM
yeah, when trailers come on for a movie I know I wanna see, I turn 'em off or close my eyes. I hate knowing ANYTHING AT ALL about the plot before I go into a movie. Because even the reasonable trailers/ movie descriptions, will give away at least the first half-hour of the film. And I enjoy so much more not knowing a  damn thing. The only thing is, you have to know enough to know whether or not you are interested in seeing the movie. For that, first I will look at what genres it is(since I only watch specific genres), then I'll look at some combination of the movie's ratings (eg. imdb, critics, these boards, etc.); whether there are any actors or directors I like, (how bored I am) and that's that. Sure, there are some bad movies I could have avoided if I had looked more into in before I started watching, but there are so many great movies that I enjoyed so much more because I didn't know  a damn thing about it going in  :)
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on January 18, 2013, 12:32:53 AM
Saw it! I'd rank it somewhere a little above Kill Bill Vol.2, in the same "good, hit and miss, non revolutionary yet surprising". So far, far above IB, that bores me more and more with each viewing, and under Death Proof which, even if I'm one of the very few who hold the truth, his best (and less flawed) post 90's work.

SPOILERS

++
- Lots of good scenes
- Every single shootout is really good. We had not had really good western shootouts since... 20 years? 30 years? Even The Unforgiven's shootouts were lame. Here, nothing really inventive appart from the big one following Waltz's death, but QT captured the thing.
- Some good acting. Nothing amazing appart from Samuel Lee Jackson (best performance so far?).
- there are 2 scenes in the movie where Django's idolization works really good: after he shot QT, Parks and the other guy, and after Candyland's explosion.

--
- boring parts in the middle. The movie doesn't hold together very well.
- the image looks like shit. Not as much as in IB though.
- too much Waltz doing Waltz arms his performance.
- stakes are not well explained. Why such a complex plan to buy the girl? Turns out they had much much money. So risking all this just to get a bargain? That's ridiculous.
- Characters are not well defined. Especially Waltz, who becomes too sweet of a guy once he meets DiCaprio. The shaking hand scene doesn't work for 1 second.
- QT cannot act. Every time he entered the screen I was drawn out of the movie.

All in all, I was happy during the whole screening of  this flawed movie. I'll get the BD.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 18, 2013, 12:50:13 AM
You can have him.

hear, hear
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on January 18, 2013, 01:43:08 AM
I'm sorry about that !
I hate spoilers. It goes so far that I didn't follow any talk about this film at all, I didn't even watch the trailer.
The older I get, the more I long for those years when I was (very) young
and just bought a ticket based on who directed or acted in films.
I want to be surprised.
I was pleasantly surprised by R.E.D., STRANGER THAN FICTION and KICKASS for instance, I didn't expect much of
those and had wonderful evenings.

AND, right, soo right.
Was Sally the only one capable of doing the job ?
I felt that there is a very fine film hidden in UNCHAINED. Of course,
Tarantino films great stuff. But why hidden  :'(
Nothing should be hidden in a Tarantino film, perfection of all things last.


Sorry again.

No problemo! I shouldn't have read the topic on this film anyway. Risky behavior :)
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 18, 2013, 01:54:07 AM
No problemo! I shouldn't have read the topic on this film anyway. Risky behavior :)

yes, reading an 11-page thread on a movie you haven't seen, is spoiler-suicide. Personally, I always give "spoiler alerts," but I don't think it should be necessary, except in the RTLMYS thread. That thread is just for a rating a movie, and a brief discussion, so that members should know whether or not to see it.

But the point of having an individual thread for a movie is so that the movie could be discussed in-depth,  and therefore,  "spoiler alerts" shouldn't be necessary in those threads; it should be obvious that in a movie's individual thread, you read at your own risk  ;)
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on January 18, 2013, 01:59:26 AM
yes, reading an 11-page thread on a movie you haven't seen, is spoiler-suicide. Personally, I always "give spoiler" alerts, but i don't think it should be necessary, except in the RTLMYS thread. That thread is just for a rating a movie, and a brief discussion, so that members should know whether or not to see it.

But the point of having an individual thread for a movie is so that the movie could be discussed in-depth, and therefore, "spoiler alerts" shouldn't be necessary in that threads; it should be obvious that in a movie's individual thread, you read at your own risk.

Yep ;)
The thing is that Mike's post was very general and jumped on a spoiler quite brutally. My fault here, but that's kind of like reading: "Shyamalan is a great director. I like how he uses long, almost extended shot instead of this music video editing we've become used to, and also, Bruce Willis was dead the whole time."
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 18, 2013, 02:05:23 AM
Leone is awesome, the greatest director who ever lived, OUATIA is all an opium dream  :P
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: mike siegel on January 18, 2013, 02:08:52 AM
THE WILD BUNCH is my favorite film of all time. Even if they all die at the end.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on January 18, 2013, 02:14:05 AM
 ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN5avIvylDw
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 18, 2013, 02:54:16 AM
Gone With the Wind is the most overrated piece of shit ever, and if you think it's so great, frankly my dear I don't give a damn
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on January 18, 2013, 03:05:43 AM
:)

Maybe it's because you've never had a weakness for lost causes.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on January 18, 2013, 03:49:56 AM

In fairness, Tarantino gets a few things right. Django's evolution from submissive slave to self-assured action hero is an effective character arc, making him an amiable black avenger. His buddy dynamic with King provides the film drive and focus. Tarantino sends up "scientific" racism by making Candie a phrenologist who justifies slavery by studying a Negro skull. Making Candie's house servant (Samuel L. Jackson) an even worse villain is another nice touch. These bits show the film Django Unchained could have been.

But mainly Django is just repetitive and overly familiar. Long passages merely rehash Basterds: King's verbose introduction, a "private" conversation auf Deutsch, Candie's tense dinner party, the explosive ending. Robert Richardson provides gorgeous photography but the landscapes and luscious detail don't advance the story. The last 20 minutes are completely superfluous. Tarantino throws in nifty homages to Spaghetti favorites like A Professional Gun (the bleeding carnation) and Sabata (King's derringer-rig) but they're fleeting moments.


Yes! It still has this over IB:

- more production values
- no 40minutes of terrible acting & dialogues right in the middle of the movie
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2012) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 18, 2013, 04:39:28 AM
I am not a  QT fan anyway, but no matter my overall opinion on him and on Django Unchained ("DjUn:) one thing I'll say is DjUn never should have left the plantation. When they are there for that long, long scene, they should have that big shootout to resolve all, right there. Once they have that big shootout, there's no reason for the movie to go on for what seemed like at least another 20 minutes. Maybe that's part of QT's shtick, to shock you, to say "you thought it would end here, but it's NOT!" but I don't think anything that happens after they leave the plantation is useful. Whatever they wanted to happen, whoever they wanted to kill, or injure, or do anything else to, it all could have been done at Leo's place that night

Maybe I am speaking outta my ass cuz I have no interest in QT's stuff anyway. But what do fans of QT/DjUn think about the above paragraph?

p.s. I changed the year in my subject heading, to read "(2012)," which is what it should say in this thread's name. The movie was released in 2012
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on January 18, 2013, 06:19:33 AM
I agree. If they really needed/wanted the "cut the balls" and then Michael Parks scene, they should have put it before the big shootout. That would actually have been more interesting because it would have considerably raised the stakes for the characters. It could have happened this way:

- before the transaction, Django and Waltz are separated for whatever reason
- SL.Jackson discover the betrayal
- Django is taken by surprise and sent away
- DiCaprio does his skull show in front of Waltz only
- Waltz understand that Django is trapped and away, he still buys the girl
- Meanwhile, Parks/Tarantino scene
- the shaking hand scene (which, here, would have made sense)
- Django arrives as Waltz dies (after having shot Leo)
- shootout
- final and explosion.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: cigar joe on January 18, 2013, 06:22:19 AM
I agree. If they really needed/wanted the "cut the balls" and then Michael Parks scene, they should have put it before the big shootout. That would actually have been more interesting because it would have considerably raised the stakes for the characters. It could have happened this way:

- before the transaction, Django and Waltz are separated for whatever reason
- SL.Jackson discover the betrayal
- Django is taken by surprise and sent away
- DiCaprio does his skull show in front of Waltz only
- Waltz understand that Django is trapped and away, he still buys the girl
- Meanwhile, Parks/Tarantino scene
- the shaking hand scene (which, here, would have made sense)
- Django arrives as Waltz dies (after having shot Leo)
- shootout
- final and explosion.

Yea sounds about right  O0
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: emmo26 on January 18, 2013, 10:36:04 AM
I will demand a futher review when the blue ray with extras and all deleted scenes is released, hopefully with a special apperance of Tuco´s and Blondie´s dads
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: dave jenkins on January 18, 2013, 11:02:48 AM
I agree. If they really needed/wanted the "cut the balls" and then Michael Parks scene, they should have put it before the big shootout. That would actually have been more interesting because it would have considerably raised the stakes for the characters. It could have happened this way:

- before the transaction, Django and Waltz are separated for whatever reason
- SL.Jackson discover the betrayal
- Django is taken by surprise and sent away
- DiCaprio does his skull show in front of Waltz only
- Waltz understand that Django is trapped and away, he still buys the girl
- Meanwhile, Parks/Tarantino scene
- the shaking hand scene (which, here, would have made sense)
- Django arrives as Waltz dies (after having shot Leo)
- shootout
- final and explosion.
Brilliant! You should have been at all the story conferences.

This interview mentions an interesting deleted scene: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/django-unchained-cut-scene-walton-413595
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on January 18, 2013, 12:23:35 PM
Nice article Jenkins. O0 I hadn't realized Goggins was in Lincoln - I'll have to look for him on my next watch.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on January 20, 2013, 11:22:56 AM
Brilliant! You should have been at all the story conferences.

This interview mentions an interesting deleted scene: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/django-unchained-cut-scene-walton-413595

It's been over a day and I still don't know how much sarcastic this is.

Anyway, nice article! The guy says more interesting things about the movie than QT, because as much as I like QT, he's even more full of shit than Sergio was.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Dust Devil on January 20, 2013, 11:28:27 AM
It's been over a day and I still don't know how much sarcastic this is.

Anyway, nice article! The guy says more interesting things about the movie than QT, because as much as I like QT, he's even more full of shit than Sergio was.

 ;D
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: stanton on January 26, 2013, 12:20:47 PM
To my own surprise, after all the things I had read about DU, I think it is QTs weakest film so far.
It is much weaker than IB, with which it shares a lot of his narrative structure, it is far less brilliant than IB or Death Proof (which is excellent), in fact it does not contain very much really great stuff. The long middle part on Candyland, in short all the Di Caprio stuff, is pretty strong.

Foxx is a good lead, and his laconic alliance with the ever talking Waltz, who gives again a find but less great than in IB performance, works well enough. And di Caprio is great, while Jackson has great role on his side.

But I really did not like the splatter aspect of the violence, nor do I think that the general handling of the action in DU is well done. But the most disappointing aspect was that he characterized nearly all the secondary characters as ugly white trash caricatures, which destroyed half of the scenes. The ending is also not convincing.

I don't know, it had the potential for another classic, but QT has spoiled it. 7/10
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Rudra on January 27, 2013, 10:10:24 AM
Watched DU yesterday and found it to be just OK to IB and DP. One inaccuracy I noted (I am sure there are several other inaccuracies), during the shootout at the Calvin Candy mansion. You see Django firing from what look like cap and ball revolvers but when he gives up his weapons upon being threatened with his wife's life and takes off his jacket, bullets fall on the ground. The movie is said to be set in 1858, two years before the civil war and as per the arms and ammunition experts on this board, bullets were not in popular use until after the civil war.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: titoli on January 28, 2013, 06:20:41 PM
The most damaging thing to this movie is the finale: while we see the idiotic, catballouesque equine evolutions, the Micalizzi's motive suddenly reminded me of a much better movie than this one. So of course I got out of the theatre whistling that tune and thinking about Trinity. Tarantino played it safe this time, after the IB's disasters. He picks up surefire narrative schemes like the mentor\pupil relationship, the juxtaposition of opposites (Django free black in a slave plantation; a black girl  slave speaking german and many others); cheap comedy tricks: which may work: once only, for me. Now, in a western, and especially a SW (which, admittedly, DU is not) what is supposed to be there is some trick unseen before. I wrote sometime ago that me and my father went to watch SW in the assurance that something unseen before (like a strange weapon or way to kill or you name it) was to be found. And 90% of times it was there. There is nothing original in the shootings here. Instead you have the usual extended dialogues and monologues, sometimes brilliant but most of the times overabundant. As already noted in this thread, the added scene after the gunshooting in Candyland is idiotic and unnecessary.   And then you have the love story: yes, it is not very intruding: but again, the finale. And the actors. Actually, unexpectedly, I only liked Foxx. The other ones are good with the exception of DiCaprio, who still hasn't learned to play (maybe, when he'll grow old and his voice will get lower, he could become at least tolerable). Some choices in the tunes are debatable: but Havens' Freedom is kitschy as can be. All in all, I enjoyed the movie moderately. I don't think I'll ever watch it again. 7\10
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on January 29, 2013, 02:04:42 AM
It's funny how nobody thinks the same about DU. People who like it like it for different reasons, people who don't like it also have very personal views on the matter: QT played it safe vs QT tried a linear story for once, it's too talky vs for once the talkiness is integrated into characters' arcs and narration, gunfights are successful and innovative vs boring and seen before... Even between people who give it the same rating and have the same overall feeling, opinions on what worked and didn't worked in the movie totally differ.
It's often the case with hit and miss movies, but I find it particularly true with this one (and particularly untrue with the rest of QT's filmography, which is filled with hit and miss movies).

Now, in a western, and especially a SW (which, admittedly, DU is not) what is supposed to be there is some trick unseen before. I wrote sometime ago that me and my father went to watch SW in the assurance that something unseen before (like a strange weapon or way to kill or you name it) was to be found. And 90% of times it was there.

I didn't think I would tell you this one day, but thanks for saying so, food for though of the day :)
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: cigar joe on January 29, 2013, 05:36:13 AM
How many Westerns in DU?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1853728/board/thread/209962799?p=1 (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1853728/board/thread/209962799?p=1)
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Senza on February 23, 2013, 10:59:02 PM
I thought it was an okay movie [I still think Reservoir Dogs is QT's best film], I agree with some on this thread in that I found it too talky. I know that QT is famous for his dialogue, and incorporates a lot of well written stuff into his movies, but for me it just doesn't work in a western [or a southern as QT puts it]. I also thought Samuel L. Jackson's character could've had more interesting scenes [and maybe be related to Jules as a great, great, great grandfather, which would've been interesting]. And I have to mention QT's horrible Australian [at least...I think it was Australian] accent which made me cringe at bit. I'd give it 3/5 stars. I'd actually like to see QT, who is a big Sergio Leone fan himself to possibly make some sort of prequel or sequel to the dollars trilogy, and maybe for once, depart from his own style [this time focusing on visuals, rather than clever dialogue].
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Groggy on April 23, 2013, 04:34:36 PM
http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s4153djan.html (http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s4153djan.html)
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: emmo26 on May 23, 2013, 01:47:19 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The extras are limited to three good featurettes. The first is a piece on horse stunts. As the movie was filmed in the U.S.A. (good for you Quentin) the horses appear to be well trained to fall on cue. Production Designer J. Michael Riva and Costume designer Sharen Davis are given handsome featurettes of their own. The other two items are brief ads for a soundtrack and a big box o' Tarantino Blu-rays.

But all bases are covered, exhibition-wise. A second disc contains a DVD encoding and instructions for a digital download and Ultraviolet access to the cloud, which apparently will be hovering over our insignificant existence for the rest of our days.

Tarantino fans loved this picture, and this Blu-ray will not disappoint.



......any deleted scenes? does Clint and Eli make an appearence from the DeLorean?
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: uncknown on June 17, 2013, 12:52:33 PM
I can't imagine anyone on this board NOT liking this film.
It is a must see just for the scene with Franco Nero,  which i will not spoil here.
 O0
QT's best film
check it out!
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Cusser on June 17, 2013, 07:49:34 PM
We saw this in the theater.  Mrs. Cusser gave me a DVD copy for Fathers Day.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: emmo26 on July 17, 2013, 07:39:20 AM
http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2012/02/15/noel_gallagher_wants_to_score_quentin_/

Noel Gallagher Wants To Score Quentin Tarantino's 'Django Unchained'
February 15th, 2012 9:55pm EST  favorite Add to My News
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Noel GallagherBritish rocker Noel Gallagher has his sights set on becoming a movie composer and he wants to record a score for Quentin Tarantino.

The former Oasis rocker is currently on tour promoting his debut solo album Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds, and he has a psychedelic follow-up record in the pipeline, which is due for release next year.

But he's already planning his next move - and a film soundtrack project is at the top of his to-do list.

He tells NME magazine, "If anyone's writing a western film out there, I would love to do one (score)... I've got loads of spaghetti western-esque incidental music. So, Mr. Tarantino, if you're reading, you know my name."



Pity he didn´t feature in at least one track
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: emmo26 on October 24, 2013, 03:53:41 PM
I also thought Samuel L. Jackson's character could've had more interesting scenes





SLJ's "Uncle Tom" was the best character in it.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: emmo26 on October 25, 2013, 12:46:41 PM
The shaking hand scene doesn't work for 1 second.


It may have involuntary activated the automatic wrist gun that he possessed if he decided to shake the guy's hand.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Dust Devil on September 14, 2014, 02:10:24 AM
I guess the mistake of going through the trouble of analyzing various things in this movie that do not work - or even worse go to that lenght to try to understand why - would be a feat almost as dull and pointless as watching this movie in first place.


4/10
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on September 15, 2014, 11:10:05 PM
Cowboys vs Aliens > Django Unchained?
Listen, you're entitled to your opinion but I am just wondering: how come you still have your movie watching license?
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Dust Devil on September 16, 2014, 12:11:35 PM
Cowboys vs Aliens > Django Unchained?
Listen, you're entitled to your opinion but I am just wondering: how come you still have your movie watching license?

CvA is what it is and can not be anything else under any other circumstance, on the other hand DU isn't what it's supposed to be - a QT movie, not by a long shot. That's the reasoning behind my ratings.


PS: I never had it - that's what saved me.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on September 16, 2014, 01:29:32 PM
CvA is what it is and can not be anything else under any other circumstance, on the other hand DU isn't what it's supposed to be - a QT movie, not by a long shot. That's the reasoning behind my ratings.


DU, just like IB and in a way both KB, doesn't work as a movie but as a collection of scenes that range from mediocre QT imitation to QT at is greatest. Don't forget that it also features the only really good western gunfight since Tombstone.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Dust Devil on September 17, 2014, 10:15:23 AM
The scenes range from abyssal misfires to mediocre QT imitation at best.

I only wish I could forget how bad, dry and pointless the 'gunfights' were. They're just plain uninspired and overstretched all-around, they only look good because... No, sorry, they just don't look good in any context.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on September 17, 2014, 10:48:12 AM
No.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on May 04, 2015, 03:54:55 PM
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/bd430afa064a43f5a91731105c7e2b58/django-unchained-actress-ordered-apologize-police

 
;D


'Django Unchained' Actress Ordered to Apologize to Police

LOS ANGELES (AP) — An actress who accused Los Angeles police of racial profiling when they investigated a report she was having sex with her boyfriend in a parked car has been ordered to apologize to officers as part of a plea deal.

Daniele Watts, who appeared in "Django Unchained," pleaded no contest Monday to disturbing the peace with loudness.

Los Angeles city attorney's spokesman Frank Mateljan says Watts and her boyfriend, who entered the same plea, were sentenced to 40 hours of community and must write apology letters to three officers and the occupants of a building near where they were briefly detained last year.

Lewd conduct charges against the pair have been dropped.

Lou Shapiro, an attorney for Watts and her boyfriend, says the actress will apologize for her comments to police.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Herry Grail on June 28, 2016, 09:40:21 AM
I just saw this after picking up a $5 Blu Ray at Target. I was anxious to see it after just getting into Leone's films for the first time, wanting to catch the references and see how Tarantino chose to pay homage.

After "Pulp Fiction" I didn't really seek out Tarantino's films. I guess the consensus among his critics is that his movies get bogged down in self-conscious distractions, and that's the vibe I got from "Django Unchained."

What really numbed me was the lack of charisma among his actors. Maybe it's why I don't watch a lot of new movies and prefer older ones. What happened to acting? I know he won an Oscar, but Walz was so flat and uninteresting that early in the film I started thinking how much more involving the film would have been had it been filled with Pasadena-Playhouse types like an episode of "Gunsmoke" or a 70's Clint Eastwood film. Leonardo diCaprio has the presence of a jock in a high school play...just terrible.

Leone knew to populate his films with charismatic performers, but it was also the acting style of his era. Oddly enough, even though Tarantino loves "vintage" actors, his taste runs to dull ones from the 80's, like Don Johnson, Tom Wopat, and Lee Horsley. In fact, when Michael Parks popped up near the end and stole his scenes with an actual "performance," it really emphasized how lousy the actors were in the rest of the film. Maybe it's because he wants his lovingly-scripted words to come across like a script-reading, unadulterated by inventive interpretation? (I do think Samuel Jackson was good, but the hints that his affect was an act is only touched upon in the brief library scene—and when he discards his cane in his last scene—and could have been developed to make his character much more interesting.)

I also picked up "Hateful Eight" and do look forward to watching it nonetheless.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on June 28, 2016, 09:55:12 AM
Hateful Eight is very, very different. Tarantino only did 2 real films after Jacky Brown: Death Proof and Hateful Eight. You may like them or not, prefer his other ones or not, these are the only 2 real films that you can watch without having to know anything about Tarantino and what's his point. Both of them have a real story and are self-contained.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: dave jenkins on June 28, 2016, 11:36:40 AM

Leone knew to populate his films with charismatic performers, but it was also the acting style of his era. Oddly enough, even though Tarantino loves "vintage" actors, his taste runs to dull ones from the 80's, like Don Johnson, Tom Wopat, and Lee Horsley. In fact, when Michael Parks popped up near the end and stole his scenes with an actual "performance," it really emphasized how lousy the actors were in the rest of the film. Maybe it's because he wants his lovingly-scripted words to come across like a script-reading, unadulterated by inventive interpretation? (I do think Samuel Jackson was good, but the hints that his affect was an act is only touched upon in the brief library scene—and when he discards his cane in his last scene—and could have been developed to make his character much more interesting.)
  ;D  O0
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: dave jenkins on June 28, 2016, 11:37:53 AM
Tarantino only did 2 real films after Jacky Brown: Death Proof and Hateful Eight. You may like them or not, prefer his other ones or not, these are the only 2 real films that you can watch without having to know anything about Tarantino and what's his point. Both of them have a real story and are self-contained.
Huh. Maybe I should watch H8?
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: T.H. on June 28, 2016, 12:28:31 PM
The Hateful 8 is definitely worth a view.


The biggest problem with DU is the plot structure. The stakes aren't quite high enough for their journey, which didn't include enough conflict, and QT couldn't even figure out a way to end the movie after the final shootout. The last half hour is so disjointed. If he simply had a reader with the cojones to point out these obvious flaws, the movie might be a masterpiece.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: stanton on June 28, 2016, 12:43:11 PM
I just saw this after picking up a $5 Blu Ray at Target. I was anxious to see it after just getting into Leone's films for the first time, wanting to catch the references and see how Tarantino chose to pay homage.

After "Pulp Fiction" I didn't really seek out Tarantino's films. I guess the consensus among his critics is that his movies get bogged down in self-conscious distractions,


Actually that's only the consensus amongst those who don't get into his films. Others think they are stunning masterpieces which are as amazing as films can get. But so far that ends for me after IB.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on June 28, 2016, 03:59:46 PM
Huh. Maybe I should watch H8?

You definitely should. The movie is flawed, and some of these flaws will bother you like they bothered TH. But you'll not waste your time. And as I've said before, QT catches something unique by going the old extra wide 65mm road, with his traditional use of the Morricone score and other stuff.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Cusser on June 29, 2016, 06:29:02 AM
The Hateful 8 is definitely worth a view.

So is Inglorious Basterds.  The first scene with the farmer and Walz really needed the Angel Eyes music from beginning of GBU, but Tarantino had just used that at beginning of Kill Bill 2, can't go to the well too many times...that scene was so reminiscent of that.

The only thing I didn't like about Django Unchained was that the KKK scene was too long and protracted.  And Jonah Hill is a low-talent nobody, sorry.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 29, 2016, 07:01:57 AM
So is Inglorious Basterds.  The first scene with the farmer and Walz really needed the Angel Eyes music from beginning of GBU, but Tarantino had just used that at beginning of Kill Bill 2, can't go to the well too many times...that scene was so reminiscent of that.

The only thing I didn't like about Django Unchained was that the KKK scene was too long and protracted.  And Jonah Hill is a low-talent nobody, sorry.

I have not seen IB, but in the two Jonah Hill movies I have seen - Moneyball and The Wolf of Wall Street - he was GREAT
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on June 29, 2016, 09:24:06 AM
I have not seen IB, but in the two Jonah Hill movies I have seen - Moneyball and The Wolf of Wall Street - he was GREAT

Are you talking about comedies?
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Novecento on June 30, 2016, 09:00:38 AM
Hateful Eight is very, very different.

While I am often turned off by gratuitous violence (note I'm not thinking Peckinpah here but more pain and gore for its own sake) and verbose dialogue, there remains a lot to admire about a filmmaker who can really define themself as an auteur in today's Hollywood (i.e. you know it is one of their films just by watching it). Notably the main members of his crew (editors, cinematographers etc.) remain consistent. I am no Tarantino expert, but what is interesting about "Hateful Eight" is NL's point that it is just different in spite of the consistency in the crew. While I still wish we had seen a little more "Rules of the Game" style use of the extreme widescreen (i.e. lots of relevant background activity caught by the wide lens to develop further the "whodunnit" side of things and the visual style), the fact that he went with such an aspect ratio for such a claustrophobic film was a stroke of genius by him and cinematographer Robert Richardson.

Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: stanton on June 30, 2016, 11:42:29 AM
I don't think it is a stroke of genius, but also not a strange idea.

QT was not the first to use a wide format for an intimate film.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Novecento on June 30, 2016, 01:22:37 PM
Actually I think more than the widescreen factor, it was the anamorphic nature of the lenses that probably contributed to the effect due to what the lenses did to everything on the sides of the image. Polanski shot "carnage in 2.35:1 which is also anamorphic.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: dave jenkins on May 01, 2019, 07:38:24 AM
https://www.slashfilm.com/django-unchained-directors-cut/
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: uncknown on June 27, 2019, 03:58:56 PM
I don't think it is a stroke of genius, but also not a strange idea.

QT was not the first to use a wide format for an intimate film.

People seem to think widescreen means outdoor panoramic vistas.
Shooting in Ultra Panavision would probably been indiscernible . In fact, most theatres probably had to letterbox H8 to fit the 2:40 screen
Anamorphic is actually well suited to indoor films with many characters.
It allows.the director to keep a large cast in frame - like a theatre play- without having to pan and cut constantly.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: noodles_leone on June 28, 2019, 04:12:06 AM
People seem to think widescreen means outdoor panoramic vistas.
Shooting in Ultra Panavision would probably been indiscernible . In fact, most theatres probably had to letterbox H8 to fit the 2:40 screen
Anamorphic is actually well suited to indoor films with many characters.
It allows.the director to keep a large cast in frame - like a theatre play- without having to pan and cut constantly.

Yeah. The Cedric Klapish film Un Air de Famille, which is actually adaptated from a theater play, is still the best available masterclass for the use of widescreen (although only 2:35 if I remember correctly) for indoor scenes heavily dialogue driven with multiple characters. On top of my mind, the Usual Suspects (laos 2:35) also features some good examples, but Un Air de Famille beats everything by far. The dialogues are also way better than everything QT wrote post Jackie Brown.

I'm sure Spielberg's movies are filled with great examples too, but the guy could probably do the same with a square frame, he's basically the god of motivated composition and camera movements.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: dave jenkins on November 01, 2022, 06:31:50 PM
But mainly Django is just repetitive and overly familiar. Long passages merely rehash Basterds: King's verbose introduction, a "private" conversation auf Deutsch, Candie's tense dinner party, the explosive ending. Robert Richardson provides gorgeous photography but the landscapes and luscious detail don't advance the story. The last 20 minutes are completely superfluous. Tarantino throws in nifty homages to Spaghetti favorites like A Professional Gun (the bleeding carnation) and Sabata (King's derringer-rig) but they're fleeting moments.

Jamie Foxx is solid. Django's not the deepest character but Foxx has the perfect defiant swagger to pull him off. Christoph Waltz though falls too readily back on Hans Landa shtick. If Waltz has anything else in his repertoire he'd better break it out soon. At least he's less irritating than Leonardo DiCaprio, whose cartoon Southerner quickly grows annoying. Samuel L. Jackson's vicious Uncle Tom proves the most memorable character.

Tarantino provides numerous B-lister cameos. Not only Franco Nero but Bruce Dern, Don Johnson, Robert Carradine, James Remar, James Russo, M.C. Ginley and Michael Parks make brief appearances. More ill-advised are Jonah Hill as a budding Klansman and Tarantino himself, sporting the gnarliest Aussie accent this side of an Outback commercial. These walk-ons are fun but don't add up to much.

Which sums up Django Unchained perfectly. A movie with this much violence and controversial content ought to provoke some reaction. Sadly, Django Unchained is just more Tarantino silliness in a slightly different package.
At the 10-year mark it was time for another watch. Sadly, all that Groggy said still rings true. The film's worst failing is that it is so ponderous. This is a very bad movie.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: uncknown on November 10, 2022, 02:18:40 PM
  I also rewatched this recently.
It's a terrific film.
I think Leone fans.should really appreciate it's many merits.
Weirdly, some are clueless ;)
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Cusser on November 11, 2022, 07:15:58 AM
"More ill-advised are Jonah Hill as a budding Klansman and Tarantino himself, sporting the gnarliest Aussie accent this side of an Outback commercial."

The Jonah Hill scene was way overlong; Tarantiino was being Tarantino.  I recognized Franco Nero, who should have had a larger part.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Novecento on November 11, 2022, 08:24:37 AM
I wasn?t sold on this one. It took Jackie Brown, good chunks of The Hateful Eight, and everything but the ending of Once Upon. Time in Hollywood, for me to truly appreciate Tarantino. Apart from Jackie Brown, he seems to be getting better with age in my opinion.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: Jenko Morningstar on November 13, 2022, 12:22:14 AM
I remember watching this film before the Dollars trilogy, but I always call GBU the first Western I ever saw because this never felt like a proper Western to me. It felt like a Quentin Tarantino movie trying very hard to bank on and subvert tropes from real Westerns. Like a spiritual sequel to Inglorious Bastards disguised as a Western, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Django Unchained (2013) - QT's SW
Post by: moorman on December 19, 2022, 11:55:27 AM
Tarantino was dropping some knowledge in this film.  Most people are unaware that most of the Bonnevilles (plantations) down south were actually owned by "African Americans".  In this fillm, the character of "Stephen" played by Samuel L. Jackson, is pretending to be a "house" servant of "Calvin Candie", played by Leonardo DiCaprio.  Towards the end of the film, the dynamics change to where if you pay attention, you can see the roles reverse and determine who really owned the plantation.  It was a game the rich Southern "African Americans" would play to hide the dynamics of who was running the Bonnevilles (Plantations).  This is the reason that Tarantino chose "African American" characters to play some of the lead parts.  Erudite scholars know exactly what he was conveying in the film.