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Title: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: General Sibley on May 30, 2004, 04:46:26 AM
We'll get  this thread out of the GBU board finally.

Watched this yesterday, loved it!  For those unfamiliar it's directed by the German Werner Herzog, about Spanish conquistadors seeking El Dorado in the Peruvian jungle.  Our good friend Klaus Kinski (weirder than ever) leads a mutiny and the jungle proceeds to swallow everyone up.

Beautiful cinematography, shot on location around Machu Pichu - the opening scene is incredible, as the expedition descends a narrow path down a cloud-enshrouded mountain.  Kinski is great in this, and I loved the guy who played the "Emporer of El Dorado".  Leone fans will like this movie, really nasty cynical take on human nature with an absurd, ironic ending to it.  Will have to get more of Herzog'sf, it's a pity his films never get broadcast in the States.  You can't find his work in the video stores either.



Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: Nobody on May 30, 2004, 05:04:20 AM
I mentioned this on the GBU board, and I'll say it again. Get Fitzcarraldo. Probably Kinskis best performance ever. He plays a crazy man with a dream of building an opera in the jungle. The film is most famous for the scene were a shit is dragged up one side of a mountain, and down on the other. The actually dragged the ship while they were making the film.

Also check out Enigma Of Kasper Hauser. It is based on the true story of Kasper Hauser, who grew up living inside a cave. Every day, a man came to him with some food. One day, he is let out of the cave, and must experience the real world, all alone. It kind of reminds me of Bad Boy Bubby, but it is much more powerful.

Herzogs "Nosferatu", with Kinski as the vampire, also looks very interesting. As for me, I will have to give Aguirre another chance. I'll probably end up buying the Herzog/Kinski dvd box, although I can't really afford it.


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: DJIMBO on May 30, 2004, 07:31:10 AM
aguirre wrath of god is one of my favourite films. so many brilliant things to it.

Klaus kinski's performance
Herzog's direction
cinematpgraphy
all the acting (apparently herzog only showed them the script on the day of the filming)
the theme
and that ending: 'I am the Wrath of God, who will follow me!'. I wont ruin the background of that line for those who havent seen it.


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: General Sibley on May 31, 2004, 04:47:01 PM
The priest was really good, he had some of the best lines.  My favorite scene is when the emperor is writing in the trip log and states "My empire is now six times larger than the kingdom of Spain!"


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: shorty larsen on June 07, 2004, 12:39:58 PM
Herzog is one my favourite 5 directors.

He is maybe the most powerfull of all from the point of view of visuals. I agree with General Sibley, the opening scene is almost umbelievable from this point of viex.

Herzog is extremely apreciated in Europe (two time winner of the Festival de Cannes), I don't know why he hasn't the same succes in Usa, but I can guess.

Maybe the reason of it is a movie wich has not been mentionned here, "Bruno S." or "Stroszek". The story of a german inmigrant in USA in the '70s (played by the same actor in Kaspar Hauser) who seeks the american dream and gets nothing but dust... The movie is powerful critic of the american dream (like Once Upon a Time in America) and the american society.


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: General Sibley on June 07, 2004, 01:35:20 PM
My stomach was flopping during the opening scene, had the physical sensation that I was hanging over a cliff.  Spectacular visuals, I have to see this on the big screen in a dark theater - I can't believe his budget was $300,000 or so, they must have given those extras beer & bananas for pay.


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: shorty larsen on June 07, 2004, 02:48:07 PM
And what do you think about the haunting and wonderful score of Popol Vuh?

By the way, Popol Vuh made the music of all the great movies of Herzog.


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: General Sibley on June 07, 2004, 03:16:29 PM
Shorty, you're down in Argentina aren't you - you ever been up to the Peruvian Andes?


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: cigar joe on June 07, 2004, 05:33:16 PM
And Shorty speaking of Argentina are there any good gaucho movies you'd recomend?

Just wondering, let us know.


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: shorty larsen on June 10, 2004, 02:27:49 PM
Hello friends. I am from Argentina indeed, but l have been living in France for almost 3 years now.

I have been to Peru on holydays for 6 months with a couple of friends.

It was the most powerful expierence of my life. It changed almost everything in my mind.

General Sibley, I know EXACTLY what you mean when you say that "My stomach was flopping during the opening scene". I was there, in body and soul. I was in Cuzco, Nazca, and I was in Iquique (for those of you who sawn Fitzcarraldo).

But the most outsdanding place were I've ever been in my whole life is Macchu Picchu. We made the famous "Inca Trail" four 4 days and nights and when you finished it you reach Macchu Picchu. I'll never forget it in my life, the views, the people, the athmosphere, the religious and mistical atmosphere in the air, in Peru and also in Bolivia, in a city called Tihuanacu.

There is something imposssible to explain if you've not been there. It haunts you.

I have been in Peru in 1994 and one of my obsessions is to come back and make exactly the same trail.

Regarding to gaucho movies, in my opinion (i'm a little weird like everyone here!!!!! hahahaha!!!) there is not one single good gaucho movie. But if I have to name at least one, I'll suggest "Juan Moreira" by argentine director Leonardo Favio. Check this link (is spanish, sorry): http://www.favio.com.ar/index2.htm

Unfourtunately, it can't be found on DVD.

But let me talk about an excellent argentine movie, made with a few bucks and wich I found EXCELLENT: I bought it myself on amazon.com: Nine Queens directed by Fabian Bielinsky.


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: shorty larsen on June 10, 2004, 02:43:26 PM
Nine Queens:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006G8G3/qid%3D1086899173/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/103-1343527-6684639


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: Il Tramonto on June 11, 2004, 02:07:56 AM
I love caper movies, and Nine Queens is an excellent example. It's funny and filled with great characters. Has a nice twist ending also.


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: General Sibley on June 13, 2004, 05:09:49 AM
There is something imposssible to explain if you've not been there. It haunts you.

Sounds amazing Shorty.  I've never been to South America, I have to get there.  I know exactly what you mean about the haunted feeling.  There's a lot of Indian ruins in the southwest U.S., and you get the same feeling there.  Very spiritual places.  Have you been to the Black Forest yet in Germany?  If not, you should go there while you're in Europe.

Speaking of ruins.  I remember for some reason or another I had to drive through East Chicago, Indiana in the early 90's.   This was after the steel industry was in shambles, and all these factories had been shut down for ten years or so.  It was a late summer Saturday afternoon, the streets were deserted, and the sun was reflecting orange on all the rusted out carcasses of these factories - the grass and weeds had started taking over, and they were growing through the old factory floor.  Was strangely beautiful, like the ruins of some ancient civilization.  Like a dinosaur graveyard or something.

Anyway, I just ordered Nine Queens on Netflix - I hope it's better than The Great Silence  :-X


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: cigar joe on June 13, 2004, 04:10:14 PM
I just rented "My Best Friend" should be a hoot, I'll report back.


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: cigar joe on June 14, 2004, 04:34:44 AM
"My Best Friend", rent it, its great, Kinsky was a lunatic from day one. Herzog lived in the same rooming house with him in the 50's.

He locked himself in a bathroom raging for 48 hours and broke everything up in it, tub. commode, sink, Herzog said you could sift what was left of the porcelan through a tennis racket. lol.

During the filming of Fitzcarraldo a native chief offered to kill him for Herzog, lol.

Other gems not to miss, also there is a bonus interview with Claudia Cardinale. Recommend it!


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: General Sibley on June 22, 2004, 04:36:07 PM
I love caper movies, and Nine Queens is an excellent example. It's funny and filled with great characters. Has a nice twist ending also.

Just rented Nine Queens this weekend, liked it a lot.  Argentine version of "The Sting".  I speak un muy pocito Spanish, but the Argentine dialect is a lot different than what I've ever heard.  Speaking of caper flicks, saw the father of all caper flicks for the first time not long ago, "Riffifi" - very cool  8)


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: shorty larsen on June 25, 2004, 02:33:35 PM
"My best friend" is an excellent movie.

Let's not forget that Herzog is almost as mad as Kinski (but he doesn't admit it!!!!!).

Herzog has been doing some excellent documentaries these last years. anyone has see some?


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: General Sibley on June 25, 2004, 08:01:28 PM
I haven't seen "My Best Fiend" (it's actually fiend, not friend - I just double checked), I have to get that soon.

I haven't seen a recent Herzog documentary, but I distinctly remember he did one after Gulf War I.  It was mainly focused on the oil fields that were torched in Kuwait, you guys have probably seen it I'm sure.  Forgot what it was called, but they showed it on public television quite a few times back then.  Amazing stuff.


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: shorty larsen on June 29, 2004, 02:57:37 PM
Yes, argentine accent is a little bit complicated for someone who learned the "castillan" spanish because of the italian influence in accent and vocabulary.


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: General Sibley on June 29, 2004, 03:58:49 PM
Ah, that explains it.  It definitely is more sing-songy and lyrical than the Spanish I'm used to hearing from the Mexicans in Chicago.


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: shorty larsen on June 30, 2004, 03:13:23 PM
Hahahaha, definitely.

But it is an interesting story.

The thing is that italian inmigrant came to argentina from different regions in Italy. In Italy the "language" changes from region to region. And so each region of Italy gave to the language in Argentina some words that finished to create a sub-language called "LUNFARDO". It is a sub language full of italian words or expressions, from the different regions of Italy.

And besides, the "musicality" of the language in Argentina is not like the spanish, but like the italian. Buenos Aires, the capital, is almost Napoli in that sense.


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: General Sibley on August 03, 2004, 12:51:44 PM
Shorty, has "Y tu Mama Tambien" been playing in Paris yet?  


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: shorty larsen on August 17, 2004, 03:11:03 PM
Not yet, but I recommend you all a mexican movie called "Amores Perros" from the director who recently made "21 Gramms" with Sean Penn and Benicio Del Toro.

EXCELLENT movie (Amores Perros).


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: General Sibley on September 10, 2004, 08:05:44 AM
Shorty, saw Amores Perros last night - excellent!  The first chapter was outstanding.  The kid who plays Octavio (Gael García Bernal) was great, he was also in Y tu Mama Tambien.

Ciao,
  Il Generale


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: Il Tramonto on October 13, 2004, 12:15:13 AM
He's also going to be in the upcoming movie The Motorcycle Diaries, about a time in Che Guevera's life before he became a Revolutionary. And that looks very interesting. While I thought the 2nd and 3rd story in Amores Perros were pretty good, I absolutely loved the first part. I kinda wish that the whole movie would have just been that one story.


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: The Smoker on October 13, 2004, 06:19:55 AM
Nothing up and coming about 'Motorcycle Dairies' went to see it about a month ago. its on release


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: Nobody on December 22, 2004, 11:32:43 AM
I recently got the Herzog/Kinski box set. Great films, all of them. And the documentary, My Best Fiend, was at times hilarious. Does anyone know if if Kinski was problematic on FAFDM? I've never heard anything about him being a difficult actor from spaghetti directors working with him.

I also noticed that Benito Stefanelli was in it (as well as being the stunt co-ordinator) but didn't recognice him. For some reason unknown to me today, I had him mixed up with Father Pablo Ramirez, and was looking for Luigi Pistilli's face. Anyway, Cobra Verde was amazing, almost as good as Aguirre and Fitzcarraldo.


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: redyred on December 23, 2004, 05:18:33 AM
I recently got the Herzog/Kinski box set. Great films, all of them. And the documentary, My Best Fiend, was at times hilarious. Does anyone know if if Kinski was problematic on FAFDM? I've never heard anything about him being a difficult actor from spaghetti directors working with him.

I think the fact that he was only a bit part speaks volumes!


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: The Smoker on December 23, 2004, 07:36:56 AM
I recently got the Herzog/Kinski box set. Great films, all of them. And the documentary, My Best Fiend, was at times hilarious. Does anyone know if if Kinski was problematic on FAFDM? I've never heard anything about him being a difficult actor from spaghetti directors working with him.

Can't remember the source but there was suppose to been some rivalry between character actors on FAFDM, of course created by Mr Kinski, trying to up stage his Italian and American counter parts. I remember hoping ‘Something To Do With Death’ would brush upon this. But in hindsight, it’s a better book for not getting sucked into gossipy rumours on set.

P.S. Still haven’t got around to reading Kinski's notorious biography yet 'Kinski Uncut’. I keep bottling it, it’s a sick bloody mouth full allegedly. ;D


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: CloseUpEye on December 23, 2004, 12:53:07 PM
 Both  Aruirre and Fitzcarraldo are unbelievely great movies. Lord, I thank every day I found this site! There isn't many out in my own little "real life" world! (minus the ones I FORCED to watch OUATITW  ;)
  The opening is yes indeed, quite dizzy, but by the same token, most breathtaking and excellent.
  Oh dang, there is my office phone, more to say later!
  Thanks all for existing out there, and may you have a good holiday season in case I don't make it back by then!
-Tom


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: Nobody on April 18, 2005, 06:43:33 AM
I see Criterion will be releasing Burden of Dreams, a documentary on the making of Fitzcarraldo. Has anyone seen this? Looks very interesting. My Best Fiend touched upon some of the problems in making this film, but I wouldn't mind seeing a documentary going deeper into it. The dvd will also include a short film where Herzog eats a shoe. Should be hilarious. For more info on release: http://www.criterioncollection.com/asp/release.asp?id=287&section=feature


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: dave jenkins on April 21, 2005, 08:23:02 PM
I see Criterion will be releasing Burden of Dreams, a documentary on the making of Fitzcarraldo. Has anyone seen this? Looks very interesting. My Best Fiend touched upon some of the problems in making this film, but I wouldn't mind seeing a documentary going deeper into it.
My Best Fiend actually used part of BOD for the material on Fitzcarraldo. It's been 20 years since I've seen BOD, but I remember I liked it at the time, especially after having just seen F. I'm looking forward to the Criterion DVD.


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: The Smoker on April 23, 2005, 11:27:20 AM
Is this a starter of furture things to come from Criterion? Wonder if Anchor Bays licence has run out for the Herzog Films they have released. They have been selling the Boxsets in the UK extremely cheaply at the moment. £15 a pop.


Title: Re:Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 01, 2007, 02:49:43 AM
I liked this quite a bit as well.

Unfortunatly there were some slapsticky moments that I thought hurt the ultra serious tone of the film. I don't mind having comedy in a bleak film but at least do it in a subtle manner.


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 01, 2007, 10:24:38 AM
Slapsticky? I don't recall anything like that in the film. Could you be more . . . specific?

Great Popul Vuh soundtrack, BTW. I just found the one for Cobra Verde . . . not a film I like much (although it has its moments), but the soundtrack is another great collection of Florian Fricke compositions. Could that guy write music or what?


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 02, 2007, 01:08:10 AM
Slapsticky? I don't recall anything like that in the film. Could you be more . . . specific?




there's that scene towards the end where one of the soldiers is impaled by a huge spear and just before he dies he says (While looking straight into the camera) "I thought this would hurt more" (that is what is said in the english dub, the German dub has something more clever but it's still just as stupid).



Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 03, 2007, 04:35:54 PM
Actually, what he says is something more like "I see that longer arrows are now in fashion" (which, to my layman's ear, sounds like a good translation of the German). I wouldn't call that slapstick, exactly (physical humor which is inherently funny), but I take your point; it does seem a needless breaking of the fourth wall convention, and thus, does not really serve the scene or the picture.

I find I am able to forgive the lapse. The end of the film is a descent into madness. It begins with Aguirre, but then spreads to each of the characters. Finally, the director himself is affected (thus the swirling camera around the raft). Late in the film, Herzog's judgment starts to go. A viewer who takes this film to heart should leave the cinema contemplating small acts of insanity to perform.


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: Juan Miranda on January 03, 2007, 06:01:52 PM
I thought Les Blank's documentary BURDEN OF DREAMS was a much better film than FITZCARRALDO. The latter picture  was for me a bit of a messy bore, with one or two good set pieces padded out to an absurd length. Herzog and his DOP Thomas Mauch seemed to have shot every sunset for months and used them in the movie. Thank goodness Herzog couldn't use Jason Robards and Mick Jagger though. The few minutes footage of them we see of them in Blank's documentary points to what an unwatchable chunk of garbage it really may have ended up as:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpLLr6cUs34

Blank also made the afore mentioned WERNER HERZOG EATS HIS SHOE, but I've never seen it.


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 04, 2007, 12:33:14 AM
Actually, what he says is something more like "I see that longer arrows are now in fashion" (which, to my layman's ear, sounds like a good translation of the German).

On my dvd the "long arrows are in fashion" joke was on the German dub. The english dub is "I was expecting this to hurt more".


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 04, 2007, 04:42:25 PM
Oh, I see, I was talking about the subtitle translation. It would never even occur to me to watch Aguirre with the English dub.

Juan, I agree. In the early 80s, at The Biograph in Chicago, they ran a regular double bill of Fitzcaraldo and BoD, which was great because the two films need to be considered together. I don't think you can fully appreciate BoD without seeing the other film, although, you're right, BoD is the better of the two. You are also right about the Robards/Jagger casting: Herzog feature films in English have not turned out well (is it even possible to sit all the way through Scream of Stone or Invincible? )


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: Juan Miranda on January 05, 2007, 12:45:43 PM
is it even possible to sit all the way through Scream of Stone or Invincible? )

Haven't seen the former title, but I do quite like INVINCIBLE. Herzog usually can't get the tone right from performers speaking in English, as you say, but Tim Roth, reveling in the chance to act for a hero of his in a dream part, is starkly demonic. I'm sure that one day it'll be justly recognised as his best screen performance (to date at least). Sadly the rest of the cast (with most of the other leads amatures) are rather wooden.

I was working at a major London cinema when INVINCIBLE was released (indeed, we were one of the few venues to screen the darn thing), and I was offered the chance to host an audience Q&A with Herzog if he came over to promote the film (due to my success with a similar event with Jan Svankmajer). Sadly the film's distributors botched the UK release and it never happened.

Werner sends up his own image as a barmy, uncompromising visionary wonderfully in the Scottish set mocumentary, INCIDENT AT LOCH NESS. Catch it if you can.


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 05, 2007, 05:23:13 PM
Haven't seen the former title, but I do quite like INVINCIBLE. Herzog usually can't get the tone right from performers speaking in English, as you say, but Tim Roth, reveling in the chance to act for a hero of his in a dream part, is starkly demonic. I'm sure that one day it'll be justly recognised as his best screen performance (to date at least). Sadly the rest of the cast (with most of the other leads amatures) are rather wooden.
Well, Roth didn't work for me at all. He's supposed to be a nightclub performer, but he talks so low that not even patrons in the first row would have been able to hear him. Herzog doesn't care, though, so long as cinema audiences can catch every word. I hate that kind of cheating.

And as you say, besides Roth's, every other performance is solid teak.


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 06, 2007, 12:05:22 AM
I have Herzog's Nosferatu to watch...is it any good?


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 08, 2007, 05:31:13 PM
It's his best film, provided you watch the German dub. Do not go anywhere near the English dub!


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: Aguirre on January 09, 2007, 03:21:40 PM
There is no English dub. The film was shot in both languages with all the actors speaking either English or German. There are different shots and takes in both films, obviously. Although in the germane version, there is a HUGE goof where you see Nosferatu's reflection in a mirror right after it was craftily hidden while entering the room.

While the film is exceptional,  I'm not sure about it being Werner Herzog's best film. He happens to have more than a few masterpieces under his belt.


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 09, 2007, 03:30:32 PM
You are right, I was sloppy with my terminology. I should have said, "Flee, flee the English-language version of the film."

Even though the English version didn't come off, I do like the fact that Herzog attempted it. The idea of filming something in more than one language (you do a take of a scene in one language, then immediately retake the scene in another language) was a great idea practiced by a few directors at the beginning of the sound era (I think Hitchcock did this with one picture; was it Mary?). Great that Herzog would go back to Murnau for inspiration, and then also try something like this as well. Appropriate.


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: Juan Miranda on January 09, 2007, 05:05:11 PM
I've only ever seen the English language version, and don't see what's wrong with it. It has minimal dialogue anyway, and it's best sequences are all dialogue free. It also has a woderfully amusing moment in it, thanks to the antics of a goose in the hostel near the beginning, which I suspect is absent in the German film.

I don't know about Hitchcock's MARY, but he does mention in Truffaut's book that he directed German language versions of MURDER and THE SKIN GAME, because technology didn't allow dubbing at this point. DRACULA was famously shot in Hollywood by Tod Browning in English, and then by George Melford (with Carlos Villarías as the Count) on the same sets in Spanish (aimed at a Mexican audience). Melford's picture is supposed to be much better and less stagey and dated than Browning's classic. Unfortunatly I've haven't managed to see it yet.

It's one of Herzog's best, but not THE best, for me anyway.


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 09, 2007, 05:16:12 PM
It's one of Herzog's best, but not THE best, for me anyway.
Fine. And your candidate is....?


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: Juan Miranda on January 09, 2007, 05:26:24 PM
Fine. And your candidate is....?

I don't think he ever bettered AGUIRRE. It's a picture which showed us the world in way we never had before, a perfect allegory packed with unforgettable moments. Kinski on a raft alone on a vast river, dressed in rusting Conquistador armor yelling at hundreds of tiny monkeys, incredible stuff! That one piece of imigary alone was so powerful, no wonder he has never topped it, though some shots in his documentaries come close (particularly in LESSONS OF DARKNESS).


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 10, 2007, 12:22:26 PM
I like Aguirre (hence my presence on this thread) but it's always struck me as a film with no second act. Great beginning and finish, but a bit of a meander in the middle. This is often the problem with Herzog's features, as he is an intuitive creator but with a limited story sense. I am thinking here of Heart of Glass, Kaspar Hauser, Fitzcaraldo, all of which begin and end well but seem to be missing something in the center. Nosferatu, as a remake of a film with a strong story, doesn't have this problem.

Another way to approach this question has to do with the cinematographers Herzog used in the 70s, Thomas Mauch (who shot Aguirre and Fitzcaraldo) and Jorg Schmidt-Reitwein (who "lensed" Nosferatu). Both did excellent work, but I have a slight preference for Schmidt-Reitwein's images.


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: PowerRR on January 12, 2007, 07:53:37 PM
I really liked this one. My very short review is in the "Rate the last movie you watched" thread.


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 15, 2007, 06:28:14 PM
You may want to review your review. Kinski does not play Pizarro.


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: PowerRR on January 15, 2007, 07:51:50 PM
Oops, simply a foolish mistake. I'll fix now, but I doubt anyone else will notice.


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: PowerRR on June 27, 2007, 07:52:26 PM
I'm seeing this in theaters in mid-July along with The Enigma of Hauser Kaspar. I've seen Aguirre, but not Enigma. Should be great!


Title: Re: Aguirre: Zorn des Gottes (Wrath of God)
Post by: dave jenkins on June 27, 2007, 08:21:16 PM
Hope the prints are in good condition. I really enjoyed Aguirre in the theater (back in the day), especially the opening scene of the men coming down the side of the mountain (filmed by Herzog by pointing the camera away from  Machu Picchu). Make sure they really ARE prints that they're showing. A lot of cinemas are set up for DVD these days, and alternate projecting film and DVDs.