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Title: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on June 27, 2004, 05:56:12 AM
Got this DVD the other day from Amazon, (to get an order total above $25 for free shipping, lol) the DVD copy is as bad as the VHS copy I made years ago off TV. I heard that the quality was poor but I'm just trying to build a DVD SW collection. It was only $8, so no big loss, but be advised.

It would be nice to have a mint copy of this title on DVD. Its not a bad second tier SW. I still always thought that "The Big Gundown" was above quality than DRaH. So if you like DRaH you'll love TBG if you ever get to see it.

Also TBG has a superior Morricone score than DRaH.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: mortimer on June 27, 2004, 11:53:20 PM
Both these films are begging for a decent widescreen dvd release. The big gundown is on all month on the western channel but its full screen. Hopefully blue underground can get the rights to these 2 and give them the release they deserve.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: leonefan on July 27, 2004, 05:42:38 AM
I just happened to watch DRAH friday night, it was a rental from NetFlix.  Yes, the transfer is horrible and that's putting it lightly.  The sound is just as bad.  I hope they release a decent widescreen version because it is a great film.  


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: leonefan on July 27, 2004, 06:04:57 AM
I was browsing dvdplanet.com and found out that there is another release of DRAH from United American.  The one I saw is by Direct Source.  Anyone seen the UA version is the quality any better?  Here's the links:

http://www.dvdplanet.com/product_listing.asp?productid=23711&format=DVD (http://www.dvdplanet.com/product_listing.asp?productid=23711&format=DVD)


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: mortimer on July 27, 2004, 10:22:34 AM
Its not widescreen so I doubt its any different


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on October 25, 2004, 11:37:06 PM
Having just seen DRAH for the first time (on the new Japanese DVD that has a good widescreen transfer), I'd like to nominate it for the best non-Leone SW (I consider My Name Is Nobody a Leone film).

I believe that we can dispense with the other claimants: The Big Gundown and Companeros, which both have their good points, to be sure, but which also have Tomas Milian. As I detest, loath, and despise Tomas Milian (or perhaps I should say his screen persona), I consider his presence in these otherwise estimable films a serious liability. Nonetheless, granting that others may not share my feelings, let us now turn to more positive arguments, namely, all the good things in DRAH.

I list them as follows, in descending order of importance:

Lee Van Cleef
Mario Brega
Groggy (I can never remember this actor's name)
Cool revenge plot
Bank heist
firearms demonstrations
outlaw gang that likes to laugh evilly often
clever ways of killing members of said outlaw gang
solid ending with a satisfying twist (including the reappearance of a gang member we'd forgotton about)

In other words, this film is more like FAFDM than any other film we are ever likely to see. If you can't have Leone, the next best thing is a really good imitation. Ergo, DRAH is the best non-Leone SW.

Arguments to the contrary?


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on October 26, 2004, 04:18:15 AM
Don't really like the Morricone score as much as TBG, and I kind of have accepted Tomas Milian as a bonafide SW star. And LVC is closer to his Col. Mortimer character.


But DRAH is a good SW revenge flick.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: grandpa_chum on October 26, 2004, 09:58:09 AM
8$!... you got ripped off... not sure what exactly you got but i got a dual sided death rides a horse/above the law lee van cleef double feature for 3.50


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Nobody on October 27, 2004, 01:49:47 AM
Van Cleef double for 3.50? You got ripped off...I got DRAH together with nine other westerns/SW for 10$.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on October 27, 2004, 04:26:13 AM
lol.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: General Sibley on October 27, 2004, 01:01:26 PM
Van Cleef double for 3.50? You got ripped off...I got DRAH together with nine other westerns/SW for 10$.

Hah!  I can top that.  I saw DRAH, TBG, and TGS on the Western channel for free - AND I STILL GOT RIPPED OFF!  I want my 5 hours back  >:(


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on October 29, 2004, 06:32:14 PM
Don't really like the Morricone score as much as TBG


I grant that the score for DRAH is its weakest element.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: grandpa_chum on October 29, 2004, 10:17:38 PM
haha... 9 for 10 bucks... not bad.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: visitor on October 30, 2004, 09:08:50 AM
I grant that the score for DRAH is its weakest element.

the score to DA UOMO A UOMO(akaDEATH RIDES A HORSE) is one of Ennio Morricone's most outstanding pieces. It elevates an otherwise standard  revenge Italo western to operatic proportions.
The full score is one of the most sought after of the Morricone canon, eclipsed only by PER QUALCHE DOLLARO...
He did re-use themes from Fitful and FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE in the score..


it needs to be seen WIDESCREEN for full effect as a film


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on October 31, 2004, 04:04:05 PM
the score to DA UOMO A UOMO(akaDEATH RIDES A HORSE) is one of Ennio Morricone's most outstanding pieces. It elevates an otherwise standard  revenge Italo western to operatic proportions.
The full score is one of the most sought after of the Morricone canon, eclipsed only by PER QUALCHE DOLLARO...
He did re-use themes from Fitful and FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE in the score..


it needs to be seen WIDESCREEN for full effect as a film

Huh, I thought I might be missing something, so I did buy the soundtrack album last week and had a listen. I must say it seemed rather pedestrian. Not as interesting as any of the Leone soundtracks, not even as interesting as those for Companeros or Face To Face. Hmmm. Well, I'll give it another try......

You're undoubtedly right about the widescreen version of the film. Those seeking to pass judgment on DRAH without having seen it in its proper form don't know what they're talking about.

BTW, how does the Italian title translate? A Horse Rides a Horse? Who can help me out here?


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on November 01, 2004, 04:37:36 AM
I've seen it on the big screen and still think TBG & its score is a touch better, But I'll have to see the wide screen DVD to see if it changes my mind.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The 4th Gunfighter on November 01, 2004, 11:58:11 AM
I recently got this on a dual DVD along with Beyond The Law (PanScan version for both). The video is bad, and is begging for a widescreen release. As for the movie, it is good, and belongs in the upper tier of spaghettis, but is no Big Gundown.

The thing that hurts this movie the most is the lead character: John Phillip Law. He does nothing to make the role his own - he has the revenge motivation including the unique touch of remembering a feature from each of the attackers, and yet is still bland, and delivers his lines as if he's reading off of cards. There is no distinguishing factor for him (he draws quick? - just like every other protagonist). He is far outshined by Cleef, who is working with a lot less scenery, but clearly out-acts Law. Whereas in Gundown, Milian's performance (which I admit, he can sometimes entirely hinge a film on his performance) is perfectly countered by the hard-edged Cleef. Also, there is growth in Cleef's character in Gundown, whereas in DRAH we just see Law just returns Cleef's quips at him.

DRAH has a lot going for it: great scenery, nice Morricone soundtrack, Cleef perfectly cast as the former gang member looking to get even, and some nice plotted scenes, but unfortunately for me it is lowered by Law's performance. IMO a better (or even different) actor could have significantly raised this movie.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on November 01, 2004, 05:52:13 PM
Right on the money 4th Gunfighter and welcome to the Leone "bunkhouse".

There is a Japanese Van Cleef box set with DRAH, TBG and The Grand Duel all in pristeen widescreen transfers, its a bit pricey though I've heard, lol.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Film-Junkie Zach on November 10, 2004, 11:14:47 PM
I Love this movie. This Movie totally influence KILL BILL. I did email a suggestion to MGM. I asked them to do a widescreen transfer. But No Word from them. Maybe they or not? Maybe Blue-Underground pick up the rights to it. anyway, I just love the song FROM MAN TO MAN!!!


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on November 11, 2004, 12:59:28 AM
Kill Bill does owe something to DRAH but it hadn't occurred to me before. Good observation.

BTW, DRAH owes something to Raoul Walsh's Pursued, the 1947 film with Robert Mitchum and Theresa Wright. Anybody know what?


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: leonefan on November 28, 2004, 05:38:40 PM
I was gonna get the Lee Van Cleef box set, even though it's really expensive, but I noticed that the Grand Duel doesn't have an english track.  Too bad!


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on November 29, 2004, 05:36:55 PM
I was gonna get the Lee Van Cleef box set, even though it's really expensive, but I noticed that the Grand Duel doesn't have an english track.  Too bad!
That's very true.

Still, you are probably getting the best screen image of the film (and the others in the set) currently available, in the proper aspect ratio with an enhancement for widescreen TVs. That ain't chopped liver.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: redyred on November 30, 2004, 07:28:48 AM
One thing that annoyed me about DRAH was the English dubbing - that's not Lee Van Cleef's voice! Or it's not on my version anyway. It certainly doesn't sound like him.

I think overall it's a little above average SW. Well worth watching, but nothing spectacular. The last half hour in the Mexican village really makes it worthwile. I also think Morricone's score is one of the best things about it.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on December 01, 2004, 05:04:58 PM
One thing that annoyed me about DRAH was the English dubbing - that's not Lee Van Cleef's voice! Or it's not on my version anyway. It certainly doesn't sound like him.

I think overall it's a little above average SW. Well worth watching, but nothing spectacular. The last half hour in the Mexican village really makes it worthwile. I also think Morricone's score is one of the best things about it.

The voice for LVC on the Japanese DVD sure sounds like his voice to me. Everytime his character speaks it could be Mortimer talking.

The comment about the music is interesting, since I find the score one of Morricone's least memorable. Maybe it will grow on me.

The last half hour in the village *is* the best part of the movie, but there are many pleasures to be experienced before we arrive there. One of my favorites is when LVC, in conference with Groggy (not really Groggy but Luigi Pistilli) tells Nino (not Nino, but Mario Brega) to get out and close the door. Nino leaves but doesn't close the door, so LVC shoots it closed!

A few minutes later Groggy is telling LVC his plan to rob his own bank while his henchmen stand around. Groggy says something about having a million dollars in his bank because his patrons expect the money to be used for public works. Then Groggy asks, "Do you think I should build their stupid public works?" The henchmen burst into spontaneous laughter! Great, great moment.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: redyred on December 01, 2004, 05:45:23 PM
The voice for LVC on the Japanese DVD sure sounds like his voice to me. Everytime his character speaks it could be Mortimer talking.

Strange, maybe there are two versions cos mine really doesn't sound like him. The dubbed voice for John Phillip Law doesn't sound right either - not seen the actor in anything else but it sounds really deep and boomy, not like the voice of the young man he's supposed to be playing.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on December 23, 2004, 04:40:05 AM
Saw the wide screen pristine DRAH last night, the Japanese DVD is just beautiful, they must put this out in R1, The crap that's available now is a travesty. Watching this I'll have to bump DRAH up to almost a tie with The Big Gundown, the major factor thatstill  tilts towards TBG is its Morricone score (reminds you a lot of GBU), TBG was made about the time of GBU so I'm wondering if TBG might have been a reject score for GBU or if Leone liked TBG score and wanted something similar for GBU? THis is a question for the Morricone fanatics out there you guys have any knowledge about this?

The score for DRAH grows on you the more you here it though I'll admit.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Smoker on December 23, 2004, 09:00:04 AM
Maybe it was just where, Morricone was at the time (1966-1968). The Mercanary, Good The Bad and The Ugly, The Big Gundown and Guns For San Sebastian. In its use of repeated signature themes to me.

The thing that is funny, the first track on the original For A Few Dollars More soundtrack. Its called 'La Resa Dei Conti'* The Italian name of Solima's (1966) The Big Gundown. There’s a Leone quote about this in 'Something To Do With Death' on a negative note against Solima, as in a stolen title.

Ennio was in a very productive period mid 60s to early 70s. There has been allot of 3 figure numbers thrown about how many films he scored. (Bruno Nicolai on performing duties, for most of these.) Which means allot of thrown out sketches for other movies. Ive always thought DRAH was made after GBU, im not sure about this, both being 1966 productions. hard to keep track  ???

Morricone mention he had created different themes and styles for each: Leone, Sollima, Corbucci, Pertroni. On the Companeros DVD interview. A case of what the Director wanted from him.

Giulio Pertroni's Morricone scores always sounded very earthy, rich and dark in places. Death Rides a Horse (1968) 'Man To Man' and 'Poverty' on Tepepa (1970) are join at the hip... twin.

We all know what makes Leone stuff tick.

Not to sure about Corbucci though. like his films the music is chameleon. But a very poppy title theme to some films.

* Its that section of music to Indio's revenge duel on the bounty hunter, who put him behind bares. first time introduction to his little musical time keeper.  






Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Cusser on December 23, 2004, 02:40:16 PM
IMDB lists this order for van Cleef films (portion from 1962 to 1968):
Man who Shot Liberty Valance (1962)
How the West was Won (1962)
For a Few Dollars More (1965)
Big Gundown (1966)
GBU (1966)
Blade Rider, Revenge of the Indian Nation (1966)
Day of Anger (1968)
Death Rides a Horse (1968)


Da uomo a uomo (1968) .... Ryan
... aka As Man to Man (USA)
... aka Death Rides a Horse (USA)
Giorni dell'ira, I (1968) .... Frank Talby
... aka Blood and Grit (UK: video title)
... aka Day of Anger (USA)
... aka Days of Wrath
... aka Gunlaw (UK: video title)
... aka Tod ritt dienstags, Der (West Germany)
Blade Rider, Revenge of the Indian Nations (1966) .... Charlie Yates
Buono, il brutto, il cattivo, Il (1966) .... Sentenza
... aka Bo, el lleig i el dolent, El (Spain: Catalan title)
... aka Bueno, el feo y el malo, El (Spain)
... aka The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (USA)
... aka The Good, the Ugly, the Bad (USA: literal English title)
Resa dei conti, La (1966) .... Jonathan Corbett
... aka Account Rendered
... aka Halcón y la presa, El (Spain)
... aka The Big Gundown (USA)
Per qualche dollaro in più (1965) .... Col. Douglas Mortimer
... aka For a Few Dollars More (UK) (USA)
... aka Für ein paar Dollar mehr (West Germany)
... aka For Some Dollars More (International: English title)
... aka Muerte tenía un precio, La (Spain)
... aka Por unos cuantos dólares más (Spain)
... aka Por unos pocos dólares más (Spain)
How the West Was Won (1962) (uncredited) .... River pirate ("The Rivers")
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962) ....


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on December 23, 2004, 09:31:27 PM
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In the TBG thread, someone mentioned that Leone thought the finished movie inferior to the more depressing original story treatment; he may also have found it too "Americanized": it sounds like a grittier version of the "devious trickster weakling becomes empowered" storyline one sometimes sees in American comic westerns, married to a fairly conventional "sympathetic tough guy with moral dilemma" storyline.

I think what Sergio was complaining about was that Sollima changed the original (Sicilian based) story, In the original the Corbet Character actually kills the Cuchillo Character before he finds out he is innocent, more of a Spaghetti twist.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on December 24, 2004, 06:52:08 AM
Been watching this again, there is a great little scene at the card game before Law shoots Cavanaugh where the camera looks like its sitting in the middle of the card table as it pans all the way around the players. We get great closeups of all the players and a couple of "dance hall girls/ladies".

Now thought it is done very well you can just notice the cuts, now from what we know of Leone we can surmise that Leone would would have done this all in just one shot. This is a great example of the artistry that went into these films none the less, you didn't see any thing close in an AW. Here, they were just turning out B material with plug in actors, the only standouts where the ones with good storylines and the great ones had both the storylines and  some above average cinnematography, but even so it was not  as good as even this little piece of DRAH.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on January 16, 2005, 07:01:57 PM
derringdo, you have to get the SPO Entertainment Japan pristeen widescreen version, or a very reasonable facsimile  ;D


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 17, 2005, 11:20:50 PM
Just saw this today, and even in the dog-awful Madacy dvd version, it's quite a movie.  Law, imo, isn't nearly as bad as reported-just stoic to the point of blandness and dubbed with a funky Texas accent. 
I'd say it was an Oklahoman accent.....


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 21, 2005, 05:16:23 PM
Well, maybe it is more of an Oklahoman accent...to me it just sounds like a very exagerrated attempt to make Bill sound more "cowboy".  Which is mildly ironic, given how often Ryan slips into more of a NY/NJ "tough guy" speech pattern.  :)
Well, yeah. But then, Col. Mortimer never really sounded like he came from Virginia, either.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: el nombre on February 14, 2005, 05:26:29 AM
I just picked this up for a buck at Wal-mart.

Very recently discovered the Sergio Leone films. I first watched GBU  a few weeks back and have seen it 5 or 6 times since. I'd say he is my favourite director, even though I have only watched five of his films yet.

Anyhow...  picked up this DRaH film knowing only that it was a western and staring Lee van Cleef. Couldn't go too wrong for a dollar right? ( Might start calling it 'For One Dollar More'.)

The quality wasn't great, but I enjoyed it about as much as A Fistful of Dollars. This really deserves a good quality copy, without having to buy that Japanese set you all mention.

Biggest disapointment was the casting of Bill. As someone already said, he delivered his lines like crap.  Good thing Lee Van Cleef was there to make up for it.

It wasn't until after I watched the movie and looked it up at IMDB that I realised it's writer Luciano Vincenzoni also wrote for some of the Leone films.

I wonder what the budget for this film was. While watching it I kept wondering when it was made. Giulio Petroni seemed to be trying to mimic Sergio Leone's style in many ways, so I assumed it was at least made after A Fistful of Dollars, and probably after GBU. Yet I wondered if it could have afforded someone who would have been a big  star by that point in time. Anyhow I looked it up and found out when it was made, but I still wonder how much Lee Van Cleef was paid as compared to GBU. The poor quality of the copy might have gave me the false impression it was lower budget than what it actually was.

This $1 disc was so cheap that it doesn't even give a run time on back, or the date it was made. (Called Digiview Productions, I'm sure many are familiar with these cheap discs?) The sound wasn't great, but visually it was just awful in places. I'm not sure how much of this is due to the particular copy I have and how much is just bad lighting when the film was made. Totally ignorant on that stuff.

I have a question too. Were we supposed to be surpised along with Bill that Ryan had been involved?

At first I thought they were trying to copy the Leone films with their soundtrack style, but later learned it was the same guy doing the music so that's cool.

There were a couple times I wondered if they didn't cast Bill as they did because the guy might slightly resemble Clint Eastwood from certain angles in certain light.

I wonder why Sergio did not direct this film. Was it offered to him? I wonder if they tried to get Clint Eastwood, but maybe he was older than they wanted.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on February 14, 2005, 03:55:59 PM
Yea,  the restored SPO Japan DVD is beautiful don't know if we are ever going to see this legitimately in an R1 release.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Fortean on March 05, 2005, 08:00:57 PM
derringdo, you have to get the SPO Entertainment Japan pristeen widescreen version, or a very reasonable facsimile  ;D

Just got mine today, along with the Franco Cleef Big Gundown - I already loved the film but this just makes it incredible.

Law will never win any acting awards, but he's adequate. And the story, the style and Lee Van Cleef more than fill the gaps.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Christopher on March 06, 2005, 06:37:49 PM
I recently got this on a dual DVD along with Beyond The Law (PanScan version for both). The video is bad, and is begging for a widescreen release. As for the movie, it is good, and belongs in the upper tier of spaghettis, but is no Big Gundown.
I just picked up that same DVD with Death Rides a Horse and Beyond the Law for $2.50! I've never seen either movie but I thought people here had mentioned DRAH before. Glad to hear people seem to like the movie. I'm not too familiar with Van Cleef's non-Leone SW films, other than seeing El Condor a long time ago on television but I don't remember it too well.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on March 06, 2005, 09:35:16 PM
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I just picked up that same DVD with Death Rides a Horse and Beyond the Law for $2.50! I've never seen either movie but I thought people here had mentioned DRAH before. Glad to hear people seem to like the movie. I'm not too familiar with Van Cleef's non-Leone SW films, other than seeing El Condor a long time ago on television but I don't remember it too well.

If you get the SPO Japan DVD it will be an eye opener, beautiful clear widescreen transfer, night and day from the pan & scan version


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Christopher on March 07, 2005, 10:43:39 AM
When The 4th Gunfighter mentioned the video was bad, he wasn't kidding! :o I didn't watch either of the movies but I popped it in to see the first minute or so to look at it. The picture screams to at least be in widescreen, and yeah, better all around quality. But that's what you'll usually get for $2.50. :D


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on March 08, 2005, 08:57:11 PM
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It's...snif...beautiful.

I told you so, lol.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Christopher on March 13, 2005, 03:04:27 PM
I just watched Death Rides a Horse last night. I really enjoyed it. I can see why people have ranked it as being one of their favorite non-Leone SWs. This movie really deserves to have a good DVD transfer. More people might take a look at the movie if they did. I would imagine some might be put off by the picture and sound quality.

I've looked through this thread and I noticed some people mentioned Kill Bill. Lee Van Cleef's line, "Revenge is a dish best served cold," struck me as sounding very familiar. Is it from one of the volumes of Kill Bill where I've heard that from? If I remember that right as far as it being from Kill Bill, I think the line sounds much cooler coming from Van Cleef anyhow. 8)

I can see what some people have said about John Philip Law. I'm not sure about the way he delivered some of his lines, though maybe the problem was with some of his lines in the first place. But for the most part, I think he did an alright job.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on March 13, 2005, 05:26:14 PM
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I can see what some people have said about John Philip Law. I'm not sure about the way he delivered some of his lines, though maybe the problem was with some of his lines in the first place. But for the most part, I think he did an alright job.


Well, he does kind of come off as a big dumb man/kid, don't know if it was intentional or not. The only other film I've seen him in is Barbarella he plays a blind angel (Pygor), and he acts pretty much the same there, lol.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Smoker on March 14, 2005, 12:53:01 PM
Well, he does kind of come off as a big dumb man/kid, don't know if it was intentional or not. The only other film I've seen him in is Barbarella he plays a blind angel (Pygor), and he acts pretty much the same there, lol.

Danger Diabolik is proberly the best thing ive seen him in, and a typecast dodge if ever i saw one.
He's more a prop in Barbarella than anything, fought over by Anita Pallenberg & Jane Fonda (the lucky sod  ::) )

The "Revenge" proverb is a traditional European one, that one of the Star Trek movies jokingly attributes to the Klingons. So Kill Bill Vol. 1 opens w/ text citing it as "an old Klingon proverb." But the DRAH reference is also deliberate, knowing QT.

John Philip Law's character struck me as being meant to be kind of stuck in childhood thanks to the Big Childhood Trauma. He needs a chance to exorcise his demons, and some mentoring, before he can grow up. Like Mortimer, and unlike Harmonica, you get the impression that after getting his revenge he'll be able to lead a relatively fulfilling (if not necessarily normal) life.

Thats spot on, I always thought that about Law's potrayal. Stuck in his childhood.
Jean-Louis Trintignant's muted charactor from The Great Silence has a similiar feel to me too.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on March 14, 2005, 04:06:01 PM
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John Philip Law's character struck me as being meant to be kind of stuck in childhood thanks to the Big Childhood Trauma. He needs a chance to exorcise his demons, and some mentoring, before he can grow up. Like Mortimer, and unlike Harmonica, you get the impression that after getting his revenge he'll be able to lead a relatively fulfilling (if not necessarily normal) life.


Thats spot on, I always thought that about Law's potrayal. Stuck in his childhood.
Jean-Louis Trintignant's muted charactor from The Great Silence has a similiar feel to me too.


yea you guys are right in that observation


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on March 15, 2005, 03:25:06 PM
John Philip Law's character struck me as being meant to be kind of stuck in childhood thanks to the Big Childhood Trauma.  He needs a chance to exorcise his demons, and some mentoring, before he can grow up.  Like Mortimer, and unlike Harmonica, you get the impression that after getting his revenge he'll be able to lead a relatively fulfilling (if not necessarily normal) life.
Well, there is that Assistant Sheriff's job he's been offered, and of course everybody knows about him and Betsy.........


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 30, 2005, 02:33:48 PM
I love the movie Death Rides a Horse and I want to buy it on DVD but the only DVDs availible are in full-screen. Does anyone know where I can purchase a widescreen DVD of Death Rides a Horse?


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on August 30, 2005, 04:25:17 PM
unfortunately only SPO Japan Entertainment has it that I know of but bits a great transfer, perhaps there are other sources out there.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Le Bon on August 30, 2005, 04:42:45 PM
It has recently come out on R2 by MGM in widescreen. Are you in the UK or US? If you have a multiregion player it won't matter of course.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: indio on August 31, 2005, 12:23:15 AM
its here on R2 if you want it.
http://www.play.com/play247.asp?pa=srmr&page=title&r=R2&title=628891


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 31, 2005, 01:20:35 PM
Damn! I do live in the US!  :'(  But I'm not sure if my DVD player is multi-regional. Why do they have certain regions? Why can't the customer choose what to watch instead of the studios? If my DVD player is multi-regional, I'll buy it. Thank you for the help anyway.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on August 31, 2005, 03:28:04 PM
You may be able to change your DVD to Region 0

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Beebs on September 03, 2005, 08:28:27 AM
If my DVD player is multi-regional, I'll buy it.

How can you tell? I'm a Gringo too.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: grandpa_chum on September 03, 2005, 12:59:22 PM
easiest way is if you still have the manual... next best thing i can think of is either looking for that little symbol and hoping it says '0' and not a number '1-5'... if that doesnt exist i guess the only way is to somehow get your hands on a non region 1 disc or look up your model online or something.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Beebs on September 03, 2005, 04:39:20 PM
Gratias tibi ago.

Thats Latin ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: New Brandon on September 14, 2005, 09:26:33 PM
I own three copies of this movie. One on its on DVD, one with another Lee Van Cleef movie (Beyond the Law, I believe it's called) and one in a two-disc eight movie set. All the same version. It's a good movie (despite quality -- I have worse, anyway) and it's cheap, so I suggest you pick up the DVD if you haven't.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Leone Admirer on September 17, 2005, 04:41:44 AM
I just bought the R2 of this from Xploited. Looking forward to watching it when it arrives.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on November 11, 2005, 09:59:47 PM
I enjoyed this SO much.................I never expected it to be so good.
A new addition to my Top 10.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on November 11, 2005, 10:11:39 PM
Anyone who likes FAFDM can't help but enjoy this movie as well.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: riotengine on November 12, 2005, 01:58:55 PM
I love the movie Death Rides a Horse and I want to buy it on DVD but the only DVDs availible are in full-screen. Does anyone know where I can purchase a widescreen DVD of Death Rides a Horse?

Unfortunately, all the U.S. domestic versions of Death Rides A Horse seem to be poor quality full-frame public domain issues.

R2 (PAL?) seems to be the way to go.



Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on November 12, 2005, 02:49:10 PM
A lot of cool-looking SWs aren't availible in any form here in the states just because film historians even to this day refuse to see the significance of SWs. I've been dying to see The Big Gundown and A Pistol For Ringo and I can't watch them because I got a Region 1 DVD player. I hate regional DVDs! Why can't all DVDs live together in harmony?!? 


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on November 12, 2005, 04:04:10 PM
Unfortunately, all the U.S. domestic versions of Death Rides A Horse seem to be poor quality full-frame public domain issues.

I fully expect a U.S release........MGM being the company involved........& having released the Sabata films....& this movie being better than any of them (although I'm sure MGM doesn't have a clue in that department).


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: indio on November 17, 2005, 12:14:28 AM
you really should get a release in the US it seems strange that its out in the UK before.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Smoker on November 17, 2005, 04:42:41 AM
you really should get a release in the US it seems strange that its out in the UK before.

Well the SE Dollars (and Giu La Testa) are on hold in the US.
Its all down to new owners Sony. 
Who seemed to be more concerned with fishing through the MGM archive. And chucking out remakes. It took them 4 months to get a The Fog remake into cinema after signing the papers. Alot more on the horizen Robocop is another one.. plus a Terminator TV series... ::) term: 'Milking the cow' comes to mind.

Ted Turner was right: It's the library, stupid. All 4,000 titles.

Alot of old UK Region 2 MGM titles have been repackaged in box-sets for christmas. And don't look like MGM releases in appearance. Definetly a push by Sony.  


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: mezcal on February 01, 2006, 07:25:53 PM
Just saw that amazon.co.uk has drastically dropped the price of DRAH to 6.97 pounds.
for overseas customers the price drops to 5.93 pounds and 3 pounds postage, works out to 9 pounds including shipping, for one of lee van cllef's best SW's
enjoy


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Beebs on February 02, 2006, 06:30:51 PM
I got it in a small general store called Alco (maybe a chain) in Sabetha, KS. $3.99


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: mezcal on February 02, 2006, 07:42:36 PM
the US bargain editions are terrible quality pan and scan, the uk release is an excellent quality widescreen film.
the us versions don't do this film justice, you'll be amazed with the difference
heres a comparison
 http://www.10kbullets.com/reviews/deathridesahorsecomparison.htm


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Leone Admirer on February 05, 2006, 08:04:56 AM
Agreed at this present time the R2 is the best available.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Sandman_USMC on February 05, 2006, 11:23:19 PM
Just saw this film last night for the first time.  Wow, I wasn't expecting such a great movie. 

I'm glad Lee Van Cleef turned his career around and made these westerns.  I really like his character...and that gap toothed smile of his  ;D


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: mezcal on February 14, 2006, 07:37:23 PM
amazon.co.uk now has DRAH for 4.97 pounds, a super deal for a great quality LVC movie


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Eric on February 22, 2006, 01:14:28 PM
My copy of DRaH isn't even as good as the one on that comparison page. I got it for $5.50 in a four-pack at Wal-Mart with God's Gun, Beyond the Law and Cry Blood, Apache. They're all terrible quality, so I haven't even watched it.

--Eric


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Sheriff on February 22, 2006, 02:15:28 PM
I bought this from amazon.co.uk and have to say I LOVE this film -  they turn a classic cliche Western story on its head.

Ken


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Poggle on July 27, 2006, 11:58:26 AM
Or tomorrow morning rather. 3 AM, most likely the fullscreen. Set your tapes ;)


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 27, 2006, 07:08:12 PM
Or tomorrow morning rather. 3 AM, most likely the fullscreen. Set your tapes ;)

encore western?
damn what a time to have my tv shut down.

anyway I guess I wont miss anything if its in fullscreen. maybe there transfer is better than mine though...


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Poggle on July 27, 2006, 07:30:51 PM
I saw a few minutes a week ago and it looked pretty good.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 27, 2006, 08:21:01 PM
wish my tansfer looked like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBCpQFyP14o&search=death%20rides%20a%20horse


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 28, 2006, 06:25:11 PM
wish my tansfer looked like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBCpQFyP14o&search=death%20rides%20a%20horse

That's the trailer from Shobary's site.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: titoli on July 29, 2006, 10:21:19 AM
Watched this movie today in the awful p&S version, dubbed in english. Sorry but I don't make very much of it. Days of Anger (which is "very" similar) is better and (have to regretfully admit that) Gemma comes up better than Law (whom, I think, wasn't very well set up by the hair-do dept. and, expecially, the wardrobe): which is strange as I think the american actor was better fitted for the part of a very young man. But you sense continuously here that the director is uncertain whether to let him play a boy or an adult: a doubt that Valerii didn't have. About the voice, I thought during the watching that, if it was his own, that explained why he didn't have much of a career in spite of his looks. That also should be a lesson to english-speaking wievers of SW: You can be assured that over here even the worse SW's were served grandly as to the choice of voices.
 
The main fault with the movie lies (i made the same criticism for other SW's) in the stretching out of some plot devices: he saves him who saves him who saves him who...). A shorter lenght would have served the movie better.

Morricone's main theme is good (as it always was in his westerns) and also the theme serving the campesinos getting ready for war is just under par. But the rest  is forgettable: the piano tune heard in the bar is the same used in FFDM (as already said) with just some variation.
No, this movie doesn't belong in my top ten non-Leone SW though I'm curious to watch it in a decent format and with the original dubbing.



Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 29, 2006, 12:56:57 PM
DRAH is a great SW but it drags in the second part.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Le Bon on July 29, 2006, 02:53:09 PM
Definitely in the top ten... IMO


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on July 29, 2006, 08:53:32 PM
titoli get a decent copy, the P&S really sucks and its not fair to judge it from that copy.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 29, 2006, 10:56:33 PM
Watched this movie today in the awful p&S version, dubbed in english. Sorry but I don't make very much of it. Days of Anger (which is "very" similar) is better and (have to regretfully admit that) Gemma comes up better than Law (whom, I think, wasn't very well set up by the hair-do dept. and, expecially, the wardrobe): which is strange as I think the american actor was better fitted for the part of a very young man. But you sense continuously here that the director is uncertain whether to let him play a boy or an adult: a doubt that Valerii didn't have. About the voice, I thought during the watching that, if it was his own, that explained why he didn't have much of a career in spite of his looks. That also should be a lesson to english-speaking wievers of SW: You can be assured that over here even the worse SW's were served grandly as to the choice of voices.
 




Thought the same when I first viewed on my bad pan and scan. saw a nicer widescreen copy on television and thought more highly of it.

To me the main theme is good but their are far better songs in the film. They just are not used correctly.
Probably the best song in the film is "Mystic and severe" which plays when LVC rescues Law from his incomplete burial. Sadly that particular piece of music is only used once.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 30, 2006, 01:46:38 PM
Thought the same when I first viewed on my bad pan and scan. saw a nicer widescreen copy on television and thought more highly of it.

To me the main theme is good but their are far better songs in the film. They just are not used correctly.
Probably the best song in the film is "Mystic and severe" which plays when LVC rescues Law from his incomplete burial. Sadly that particular piece of music is only used once.

Mystic and Severe is a cool song. It's on my CD. There's a song on there that I didn't hear in the film, it's lyrical and on the CD it's titled Anger and Sorrow.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 30, 2006, 03:09:01 PM
Mystic and Severe is a cool song. It's on my CD. There's a song on there that I didn't hear in the film, it's lyrical and on the CD it's titled Anger and Sorrow.


is that the one where the voices are very low and then start shreiking!!!

they sound like their saying...

"I have seen them killing all my friends evidently"...


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 30, 2006, 03:13:02 PM

is that the one where the voices are very low and then start shreiking!!!

they sound like their saying...

"I have seen them killing all my friends evidently"...

That's the one, I don't know the lyrics either.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 30, 2006, 03:15:23 PM
That's the one, I don't know the lyrics either.
yeah I think that one is better then the main theme as well.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 30, 2006, 03:18:54 PM
yeah I think that one is better then the main theme as well.

I like the main theme more.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 30, 2006, 03:22:13 PM
whats the other one called?

"Guitar Nocturne" I think... ???


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 30, 2006, 03:23:45 PM
whats the other one called?

"Guitar Nocturne" I think... ???

You're right.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 30, 2006, 03:25:00 PM
well that one is a nice mellow melody. I especially like the chorus in the back ground. quite moving.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 30, 2006, 03:26:39 PM
It is nice. Very mellow. A perfect song for a lazy summer day.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 30, 2006, 03:30:40 PM
It is nice. Very mellow. A perfect song for a lazy summer day.
well never thought of it that way. My take is that its mellow but has a dark tone to it.

I attribute it to a funeral during a sunset.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 30, 2006, 03:32:56 PM
well never thought of it that way. My take is that its mellow but has a dark tone to it.

I attribute it to a funeral during a sunset.

I imagine the sunset feel to it, that's why I can imagine it as a good song for a summer day  ( don't ask me why ).


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 30, 2006, 03:33:58 PM
I imagine the sunset feel to it, that's why I can imagine it as a good song for a summer day  ( don't ask me why ).

no thats cool Peace. i'm just saying that we all have different visions of it.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 30, 2006, 03:35:09 PM
no thats cool Peace. i'm just saying that we all have different visions of it.

Different visions for different people.   ;)


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 30, 2006, 03:37:14 PM
different strokes for different folks. ;D


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 30, 2006, 03:39:43 PM
different strokes for different folks. ;D

Oh God! Please don't remind me of my old Bio teacher! He always said that. I never liked him, he was an unsociable a**hole.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 30, 2006, 03:51:01 PM
Oh God! Please don't remind me of my old Bio teacher! He always said that. I never liked him, he was an unsociable a**hole.

 :-\ sorry  :-\


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 30, 2006, 03:52:01 PM
:-\ sorry  :-\

It's okay. Didn't mean to sound demanding, I just hated that guy.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on July 30, 2006, 04:57:00 PM
Van Cleef double for 3.50? You got ripped off...I got DRAH together with nine other westerns/SW for 10$.

No, my friend. YOU got ripped off. I could run down to Fred Meyer right now and get FIFTY westerns right now (including DRaH) for fifteen dollars. Unfortunately, I have not heard of any of the other forty-nine westerns.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on July 30, 2006, 09:24:04 PM
 :o ;)


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Banjo on May 25, 2007, 04:27:45 AM
Leone Admirer's review from his SW Virgins Guide:-

Death Rides A Horse

An excellent, rip roaring revenge spaghetti that grabs you from the outset, even if the "shocking surprise" at the end can be guessed within the first ten minutes this fun, nasty, dark, suspenseful, stuffed with action and humerous film is another great film in the spaghetti genre.
This film opens savagely with a family being raped and then killed. One boy survives who grows up to become Bill (John Philip Law) a man forever looking for the people who murded his folks. One day, a man called Ryan (Lee Van Cleef) is released from incarceration. Angry for being betrayed, he goes out to get those who framed him and put him in prison. Bill finds out that Ryan is after the same gang he is and is killing them off, before he lets him finish Bill chases Ryan and a strange partnership is formed.
       The opening of the film literally throws you into the deep end. You have no cute family scenes, the only scene before the massacre is some men and Bill's father arriving at Bills house with $200,000, told to the audience through rather clunky dialogue. The title sequence offers us no escape as we see through out the men sneaking up to the house to do the horrific deed. This whole opening is expertly directed by Guilo Petroni, who uses voyeuristic techniques by giving us the POV of the young Bill watching his mother and his sister being violated by the brutal men. In this sequence we see the only means that Bill has to identify each one. A face, a tatoo, an earring, a scar and a pendulant of the man who saved him.
     Lee Van Cleef plays Ryan as man haunted by his past events and driven by anger aimed at the men who set him up in jail. As soon as he meets young Bill, he becomes a father like figure to the young man, teaching him the elements of gun play and almost playing with him during the chase for the other bandits.
    John Philip Law plays Bill as if he was a younger Ryan, a fact that will become important later on in the story. He is constantly driven by anger and the desire to revenge his parents. His gun control is remarkable and even impresses Ryan. Bill looks up to Ryan affectionatly, calling him Grandpa and joking around with him. These two actors and characters make for a great partnership.
    These elements sound very familiar to another film I reviewed. It seems that Day of Anger, made a year later, would use a lot of the teacher, pupil theme from this movie, with dialogue in both films sounding very similar.
     Direction is of a high quality with action scenes, and those containing the dark humour so vital to the series being handled expertly. Cinematography is grand but gritty, often the frame is dirtied by dust or dirt. Morriconne's score is, in my opinion, better then the one he did for The Big Gundown. Whilst it maybe leaner in volume, it does contain some much more pleasing and intersting themes. Also the music that plays in the begining seems like an early guitar version of the theme from the underated score of John Carpenter's The Thing.
     MGM's R2 DVD release presents a very nice transfer. It is sharp, colors arn't too washed out and despite having some print damage seems to be in very good shape. Was surprised at how low the bitrate was for the entire film and I wonder if the transfer would look even better with a higher rate. The English 2.0 mono was good, even with its age limitations and I could detect no hiss or clicks. Other audio options found on the disc are, German Mono, French Mono, Italian and Spanish Mono. There are also a wide range of subtitles available including English language. There are no extras, a very ugly menu and a non-skippable ant-piracy advertisement (I am heavily against piracy but this advert is godawful.)
     Death Rides A Horse is an action orientated, buddy revenge movie. It has the right balance of all the ingredients to make a good spaghetti and should be checked out by fans new and old.



Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Banjo on May 26, 2007, 06:44:09 AM
Silenzio's review:-

Death Rides a Horse

This, needless to say, is a classic spaghetti western not to be missed. The direction by Giulio Petroni is all-around solid. I have no real complaints about it in that aspect. The score is awesome (thank you Ennio) and Lee Van Cleef (as usual) is badass. He makes any spaghetti western he's in better by his moustache alone. Note that he shaved his moustache in Captain Apache. Also note that Captain Apache is widely considered to suck ass (this relationship of "awesome" to "moustache" can not be a coincidence).  I'm going to have to do the typical thing and complain about the one thing about this movie that just doesn't do it for me: John Phillip Law. He's too wooden. I'm glad there was actually more focus on Cleef's character than Law's, Cleef gets much more screen time. Other than that, everything's great. The plot, though not the most original thing, is good, with some classic dialogue courtesy of mister Luciano Vincenzoni, who's work with Leone is unforgettable. And Law's gunplay is really good. In my top ten (but then again that's not saying much out of only 25 non-Leone spaghettis). I would go on, but most people here have seen this one anyway.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Banjo on May 26, 2007, 01:04:43 PM
DEATH RIDES A HORSE- 1968-Quite possibly Van Cleef’s most enjoyable and violent western film. A gang of cutthroats massacre a family but one little boy survives to take revenge for their deaths. He grows up to be John Phillip Law who enjoys emptying his gun into his targets. Each villain has a discernable feature that Law remembers from the night his family was wiped out. LVC gets out of prison and takes up with Law, both with similar agendas involving lead villain Luigi Pistilli who gets a chance to shine here as the lead heavy. The torture scenes are a bit more creative this time as opposed to the usual and stale methods of simply punching the good guys up a bit. The violence level is stronger than usual for a western from this time period and the hauntingly baroque score from maestro Morricone offsets the violence quotient very well. The sophisticated training scenes where Law practices his gun skills appears influenced by HK adventures during this time wherein the heroes and villains display similar skills with knives, swords and what not. Both genres share much in common and traded on concepts for years. Directed with style by Guilio Petroni.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Jill on July 21, 2007, 04:23:49 PM
A masterpiece. I think Lee is more cool than usually, if it's possible.  O0
No matter with the boy, but Lee is the King. And so good to see Luigi Pistilli in a grand role.  ;D  What a face he had!  :)
The music love I since I've seen first Kill Bill.  O0 Good old Tarantino stole a lot from this movie.

Lee is... VERY LEE. :-* And his necklace is  O0


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Groggy on November 20, 2008, 10:22:15 AM
I should be able to watch this today, but I need to wait for a PAL-friendly DVD player turns up.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on November 20, 2008, 10:53:59 AM
I should be able to watch this today, but I need to wait for a PAL-friendly DVD player turns up.

Have you tried to hack your DVD player to make it region free? Check these links:

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks

http://www.dvdhacks.co.uk/

You can find more sites in Google by typing dvd hacks.

I have a Philips DVP642 and it plays virtually anything I throw at it since I made it region free, except for the latest formats. Unfortunately, Philips has not updated its firmware in a long, long time. :(


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on November 20, 2008, 11:28:44 AM
Hope you're watching it in the correct AR.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on November 20, 2008, 11:31:11 AM
Have you tried to hack your DVD player to make it region free? Check these links:

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks

http://www.dvdhacks.co.uk/

You can find more sites in Google by typing dvd hacks.

I have a Philips DVP642 and it plays virtually anything I throw at it since I made it region free, except for the latest formats. Unfortunately, Philips has not updated its firmware in a long, long time. :(
If you have laptop you can watch anything, provided you run DVD43 and Media Player Classic. I haven't found anything the two together won't play yet.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Cusser on November 20, 2008, 11:34:33 AM
This a must-see Spaghetti western.  Just ignore the dumb-ass lyrics in the title song (if you can understand them):

He'll be - comin- down the - mountain

Who'll be the first to draw his gun?

Who'll be the first to hit the ground?

The Spaghetti Western Orchestra had some fun with this one, even had lyrics "cue" cards they showed to the audience.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on November 20, 2008, 11:39:20 AM
If you have laptop you can watch anything, provided you run DVD43 and Media Player Classic. I haven't found anything the two together won't play yet.

True, and same goes for a desktop computer. Between CyberLink Power DVD and Media Player Classic I can play virtually any media in my computer, but it does not look the best on a 17" monitor.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Groggy on November 20, 2008, 11:49:10 AM
Have you tried to hack your DVD player to make it region free? Check these links:

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdhacks

http://www.dvdhacks.co.uk/

You can find more sites in Google by typing dvd hacks.

I have a Philips DVP642 and it plays virtually anything I throw at it since I made it region free, except for the latest formats. Unfortunately, Philips has not updated its firmware in a long, long time. :(

I need to watch it at the library. They only have two region-free DVD players there, ergo I wasn't able to watch it righ taway.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on November 20, 2008, 02:22:55 PM
Haven't seen this one in a while even though I own it. I gotta pop this one into the DVD player when I get the chance.

And I agree with Banjo that the soundtrack is amazing, really gives you the feeling of savagery. I have the soundtrack on my ipod.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Groggy on November 20, 2008, 02:36:48 PM
Well, just got done seeing it, here's my mini-review.

This is probably the best non-Leone Spaghetti Western I've seen to date. Although there were some silly elements it had a maturity and style that were missing from most of the other SWs I've seen.

The movie's biggest flaw is probably John Phillip Law. I've seen him in several movies and I'm sorry, but I have to put him in the same class as Keanu Reeves, Orlando Bloom and Ryan O'Neal. His usual blandness is exacerbated by his inexplicable attempt to play a homely young cowboy; he seems to be doing a ridiculously bad John Wayne impression throughout. He was also given a lot of bad dialogue to chew (my favorite being the line "You have any place to keep your womenfolk and young'uns safe?" :D) and he just doesn't seem right. There were some other elements I didn't really care for; the flashbacks were overused and too obvious (made worse by Law explaining it to the characters), and as in most SWs the dubbing and screenplay are pretty bad.

The cinematography was extremely well-done for the most part, certainly in the same league as a lot of Leone's work. The opening scene is done in a wonderfully striking and nightmarish manner, and there are a number of cool style points throughout the film (Law firing an empty gun simultaneous to Cleef). The final battle/shootout in the wind-swept ghost town is excellent, although it could have used a bit more set-up IMO, and Pistilli died too quickly to provide catharsis, but that's just my opinion.

What makes this movie work more than anything else is Lee Van Cleef. He's a complete badass throughout, easily as cool and deadly as Colonel Mortimer, and he carries every scene he's in with stark dignity and charisma. As bad as Law is, Van Cleef is an effortlessly strong protagonist. The bad guys are also quite good, particularly Luigi Pistilli and Anthony Dawson.

Morricone's score is quite good; I've known the main theme for years since it turned up on a Morricone compilation CD I bought several years back, and the other music is well-done too. Although I noticed he uses both of his saloon themes from FAFDM here... ;)

Very good movie, I give it a 7/10. O0


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on November 20, 2008, 04:00:23 PM
Which release were you able to watch, I have the SPO Japan version, also give us a list of the Spaghetti Westerns you have seen so we have an idea of what you are comparing it to, thanks.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on November 20, 2008, 06:17:05 PM
I agree that the SPO release is the way to see the film (so far) on video.

Good review, Grogs. I think you were more than fair. A couple of standout moments not mentioned: when Mario Brega doesn't close the door as he is asked to, LVC shoots it closed. And then there is that moment when Groggy--I mean, Pistilli--asks his fellow gang members something like: "Well? Should I help them build their stupid public works?" and then the gang breaks into some of the best evil laughter ever committed to soundtrack.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on November 20, 2008, 07:33:09 PM
Check out the train conductors they really stand out as as European rather than as how a regular American conductor dresses, you never see them in those long overcoats/type of dusters here. That was a faux pas on the costuming.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Groggy on November 20, 2008, 08:40:36 PM
Which release were you able to watch, I have the SPO Japan version, also give us a list of the Spaghetti Westerns you have seen so we have an idea of what you are comparing it to, thanks.

To date I've only seen (besides DRAH):

Sabata
My Name is Nobody
Bullet For the General
Django
The Great Silence
The Price of Power

My favorite of those so far is Django, honorable mention to The Great Silence. Can't say I cared much for the others listed.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on November 20, 2008, 09:05:11 PM
To date I've only seen (besides DRAH):

Sabata
My Name is Nobody
Bullet For the General
Django
The Great Silence
The Price of Power

My favorite of those so far is Django, honorable mention to The Great Silence. Can't say I cared much for the others listed.

That's not much, but you have to start somewhere  :). While many SWs are just trash, there are quite a few worthwile watching (if you can find them). If you like Lee Van Cleef, try The Big Gundown,  Day of Anger,  The Grand Duel, El Condor (not a SW, but almost), Sabata, and Return of Sabata. From Franco Nero I would watch Compañeros, The Mercenary, and the lesser Long Live Your Death.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Groggy on November 20, 2008, 09:21:26 PM
I've not had a great desire to ensconce myself in the genre, but I give a title a look every once in awhile. What's the saying/cliche? Too many films, so little time?


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on November 21, 2008, 07:36:49 AM
Yea Grogy you are seriously lacking in your Nero library his three best in my opinion are Il Mercenario, Keoma, and Vamos A Matar Compenero's, and totaly devoid of any Tomas Milian experience.

The four major pillars of SW actors are Eastwood, Van Cleef, Nero, Milian,  then come Gema, Garko, and the rest.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Banjo on November 21, 2008, 08:22:28 AM
I'm sure Groggy would enjoy one or two of Sollima's efforts. :)


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Groggy on November 21, 2008, 08:31:22 AM
If I could find Sollima films I would watch them, but I don't think the Library has any.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Colonel Günther Ruiz on May 19, 2009, 02:08:07 AM
Wow, I just saw this tonight thanks to Netflix.  Fastastic!  My father couldn't stand the music but I liked it.  Van Cleef was wonderful, but then he always is even in garbage like The Magnificent Seven Ride!  And I liked Law as Bill, after all he's a young man trying to be taken seriously by some pretty mean hombres (including Van Cleef).  He made me think of DiCaprio in Catch Me If You Can, an underaged fraud hoping that he's not found out.  Beyond Van Cleef and Law, the movie is great and IMO could give Leone's early Dollars a run for its money.

The only thing is I saw it on the god-awful pan-and-scan version that other people mentioned.  How is the MGM widescreen version?  Is it worth buying?


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on May 19, 2009, 04:09:06 AM
Its a totally different experience on a pristine widescreen copy. I have an SPO Japan DVDr that looks beautiful. Don't know about the MGM release is it R1?


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on May 19, 2009, 06:15:39 AM
I don't think there is an R1 MGM, only public domain releases. You have to go to R2 (UK) to get an official MGM one (and it's supposed to be in widescreen).


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Novecento on May 19, 2009, 09:45:59 AM
I have the R2 release and it is a nice widescreen print. It is also very cheaply priced :)

However, in spite of the excellent shootout at the end, I must confess that I'm not a huge fan of this one. Personally I find "Tepepa" to be vastly superior. 


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: uncknown on May 19, 2009, 03:55:36 PM
One of the better  westerns but not one of the best.

The plot is very similar to FOR A FEW, too similar.
I also do not like the fact that the entire opening sequence is tracked with the music from FISTFUL (Tortured")
and the saloon music ("Aces High") comes from FAFDM


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 19, 2009, 05:24:16 PM

I also do not like the fact that the entire opening sequence is tracked with the music from FISTFUL (Tortured")
and the saloon music ("Aces High") comes from FAFDM

Why?


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: uncknown on May 20, 2009, 02:50:59 PM
Why?

Because I knew someone like you once and there was no one there to help.
Now,  get going!


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Colonel Günther Ruiz on May 20, 2009, 07:41:42 PM
Why?

Because I knew someone like you once and there was no one there to help.
Now,  get going!


 ;D  That was too funny!


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: uncknown on May 21, 2009, 02:12:03 PM
;D  That was too funny!

Why?


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Colonel Günther Ruiz on May 21, 2009, 04:40:03 PM
 ???

Is this some kind of Joe Pesci "do I amuse you" thing?


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 21, 2009, 04:50:14 PM
???

Is this some kind of Joe Pesci "do I amuse you" thing?


Why?


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Dust Devil on May 22, 2009, 08:06:01 AM

Why?

I'll tell you why. I think you're a lonely person. I drive by this place a lot and I see you here. I see a lot of people around you. And I see all these phones and all this stuff on your desk. It means nothing. Then when I came inside and I met you, I saw in your eyes and I saw the way you carried yourself that you're not a happy person. And I think you need something. And if you want to call it a friend, you can call it a friend.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Senza on February 25, 2013, 05:59:53 PM
I really enjoyed this one, might put it on my "to buy" list.
Did anyone notice the FOD soundtrack playing at the beginning when the bandits are murdering his family?


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on February 26, 2013, 03:46:10 AM
I really enjoyed this one, might put it on my "to buy" list.
Did anyone notice the FOD soundtrack playing at the beginning when the bandits are murdering his family?

No, now I have an excuse to watch it again  ;)


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Senza on February 26, 2013, 03:50:10 AM
haha awesome! O0


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Cusser on February 26, 2013, 11:14:50 AM
No that.  But the saloon music is same as For A Few Dollars More.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on February 26, 2013, 02:54:02 PM
No that.  But the saloon music is same as For A Few Dollars More.

It was a popular saloon tune in Almeria.  ;)


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Senza on March 12, 2013, 10:11:57 PM
If you watch the massacre of the family at the beginning, and then watch the massacre at the Baxter house in FOD, you'll notice the similarities.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 27, 2013, 09:28:03 PM
is the Italian title Da Uomo A Uomo? what does that mean?


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Groggy on August 27, 2013, 10:04:05 PM
From Man to Man, unless I'm mistaken.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: stanton on August 28, 2013, 02:31:28 AM
Yes, From Man to Man

One of the few English SW titles not directly translated. Sounds ridiculous to my German ears.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 28, 2013, 03:35:32 AM
Yes, From Man to Man

One of the few English SW titles not directly translated. Sounds ridiculous to my German ears.

also The Big Gundown is not directly translated from La Resa Dei Conti, The Setting of Accounts.

what sounds ridiculous to you? "From Man to Man" or "Death Rides a Horse"? What about Der Gehetzte der Sierra Madre - does that mean "The Hunted of the Sierra Madre"? That sound like a better title to you?

And A Bullet for the General is "El Chuncho, Quien Sabe? what does that mean?

I think some of these English titles for spags are hilarious. Kinda like some of the titles of American noir films, all sorts of random words or phrases with some combination of Night or Dark or Killing or Death or Murder or whatever. Names like Decoy, Destination:Murder, Conflict, etc.  ;D


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: stanton on August 28, 2013, 05:12:39 AM
Death Rides a horse is an idiotic title for a western imo.

The German titles are often the worst of all. Many are only laughable. The dubs are also often bad. German dubs are normally of a comparatively high standard, but the lack of respect towards SWs lead to a disrespect towards the original version. Absurd or superfluous changes were made (there is no Sierra Madre in The Big Gundown), dialogues added where nothing is said and sometimes even a kind of comedy dub created for a serious actioner. And of course nearly all SWs were released in cut versions, sometimes heavily cut versions. 26 min missing in The Big Gundown or 20 min missing in Quien sabe?

El Chuncho, Quien Sabe? doesn't also make that much sense. The original Italian title is only Quien Sabe? (btw in Germany: Kill Amigo), which is Spanish and means Who Knows? . That is what Chuncho answers to the dying Bill Tate at the end, and that gives the ending a meaning which is different from what many interpreted into it.

In that case the English title spoils too much about the film's story.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 28, 2013, 05:38:18 AM
I guess the mountains where "the settling of accounts" (or "the big gundown") are the Sierra Madre.

Even in The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, the Sierra Madre is actually never mentioned.

All those problems you mentioned RE: spags in Germany can probably be said in America as well.

the English dub on The Big Gundown is laughable. The Big Gundown is a stupid title, real generic that could apply to anything. The movie was butchered, is still not available in an officially released decent version. Death Rides a Horse is also not available in a decent widescreen version.

Of the spags that are available, they're often packaged in boxsets of a bunch of movies for a few bucks http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/178-6098904-1399237?url=search-alias%3Dmovies-tv&field-keywords=spaghetti%20western&sprefix=spagh%2Cmovies-tv&rh=i%3Amovies-tv%2Ck%3Aspaghetti%20western
which tells you that whoever is releasing them doesn't think customers would pay for an individual movie. (I recently bought a 2-dvd set of 8 spags for $4 in Best Buy). And when these movies are released - whether as a single movie or part of a multi-pack, it's always released by some unknown production company. I don't know of any non-Leone spag that has had a serious release from a major studio.

To be sure, I am no authority on non-Leone spags; not even close. I have only seen four non-Leone spags in my life: Death Rides a Horse, The Big Gundown, Django, and The Mercenary. From everything I have read on these boards, those 4 titles are the ones that come up frequently when people are discussing the best spags (along with a very few others, like A Bullet for the General and The Great Silence. From everything else I've read, the vast majority of spags are pretty awful. So maybe the lack of respect shown toward spags is somewhat justified? Even among the four titles I mentioned, which are supposed to be the better ones and in which I think there is some real good stuff (Django is probably my favorite, and it actually has a nice blu ray release from Blue Underground, albeit with a thick layer of fake grain), there's lots of crazy outrageous stuff that's far beyond anything even Leone would dream of. So, if the lesser films have all that crazy outrageous shit but are not even good, I can just imagine why spags in general are given so little respect.

Are there any spags that I haven't seen that actually attempt to be serious movies, or is the crazy outrageous stuff a feature of them all? Like, is there any spag that you could theoretically see John Wayne having starred in? I'm not asking whether it's good or not; that's just a matter of opinion; I'm asking if there are any that actually attempt to be "serious," rather than outrageous, films?


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: stanton on August 28, 2013, 06:08:20 AM
The seriousness of a SW is different to the seriousness of a US western.

A SW in which Wayne could be a star with his usual image, is not a real SW.

SWs don't care for the mythological implications of the genre, they only use it as a vague background for films about killing. SWs are culturally rooted in a South European way of thinking. And then crossed with the elements the directors liked the most about westerns. Skip the romance, increase the action.

There are a lot of interesting and unusual SWs. Depends on ones taste which you like and which not. Compared to US westerns most of them have a decadent feel in them.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on August 28, 2013, 06:38:04 AM
Tepepa, Cemetery Without Crosses, Face To Face, Run Man Run, Day of Anger, and if you liked Django then Companeros


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 28, 2013, 06:56:37 AM
The seriousness of a SW is different to the seriousness of a US western.

A SW in which Wayne could be a star with his usual image, is not a real SW.

SWs don't care for the mythological implications of the genre, they only use it as a vague background for films about killing. SWs are culturally rooted in a South European way of thinking. And then crossed with the elements the directors liked the most about westerns. Skip the romance, increase the action.

There are a lot of interesting and unusual SWs. Depends on ones taste which you like and which not. Compared to US westerns most of them have a decadent feel in them.

yes, that's one of Frayling's major points that he always makes when discussing Leone's films (and spags in general): that early critics of spags were viewing them as ersatz versions of AW's, whereas Frayling has always argued that they are Mediterranean films, nothing to do with the AW.

Frayling also likes to quote from someone who used to say, paraphrasing, In America, western story was part of (cultural) ancestry, In Italy there is no frontier, no cowboys n' Indians, etc.; all they have is the AW's they grew up loving. Therefore, - [and this is the key point] - "the American Western was born from a myth, whereas the Italian Western was born from a myth about a myth."


I am not talking about romance; there are plenty of AW's in which there is no rommnce - or at least, in which the romance is merely a distracting version of the story (Leone used to say, the version of the OK Corrall without Rhonda Fleming - the version going on in your head - is a much better one (I don't think he meant that as a crticism of Fleming specifically, but as a criticism for the way women are used in the AW.

When I say a "serious" Western, I mean a Western without the outrageousness that you see in so many spags.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: stanton on August 28, 2013, 12:16:46 PM
I guess the mountains where "the settling of accounts" (or "the big gundown") are the Sierra Madre.


No, it is only a dub Sierra. Invented for the German title and with one alibi dialogue added ("he tries to escape over the Sierra Madre") at the beginning.



Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on November 26, 2013, 06:51:15 AM
I've been on a sort of a hiatus from Westerns for the past year but the recent upgrade to a 50 inch TV has provided an incentment to re watch Westerns I'm doing it formulaic-ally SW-AW-SW and probably insert some EW's into the mix. Wow, Death Rides a Horse looks amazing, as did The Bravados the day before, its going to be the start of a great winter of Westerns  O0 O0 O0 O0

I have an SPO Japan DVDr made for me by FrancoCleef and it still is top notch. Stay away form any Pan & Scan cheapo copies


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on December 17, 2013, 01:32:48 PM
http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s4384mann.html

Ordered!


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: stanton on December 17, 2013, 01:38:45 PM
I have read it is a HD transfer of the same master which was used for the old MGM DVD. And that the Blu has only 17 GB, which leaves room for some compression.

But still a high improvement to the single sided DVD.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on December 26, 2013, 05:55:38 PM
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Death-Rides-a-Horse-Blu-ray/81631/#Review


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: uncknown on December 31, 2013, 12:19:30 PM
TBG was made about the time of GBU so I'm wondering if TBG might have been a reject score for GBU or if Leone liked TBG score and wanted something similar for GBU? THis is a question for the Morricone fanatics out there you guys have any knowledge about this?

.

great minds think alike!
 8)


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: titoli on August 29, 2014, 02:07:03 PM
titoli get a decent copy, the P&S really sucks and its not fair to judge it from that copy.

Watched it again in the right format and with the original italian dubbing. Still unconvinced of its merits. BTW the similarities with other Vincenzoni scripts (especially FFDM) are evident.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 04, 2016, 10:45:07 PM
so I see no one has posted here for a while ...

I was just looking at the Lee Van Cleef site

and saw this post (from a couple of months ago) RE: framing on the Explosive Media BRD of Death Rides a Horse http://thebadnet.blogspot.ca/2015/10/death-rides-horse-blu-ray-framing-issue.html


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: stanton on January 05, 2016, 02:45:39 AM
It seems that MGM has a faulty master, that the last reel is damaged on top or bottom. Instead of getting new film elements from Italy thy solved the "challenge" by using only a much smaller apart of the image (including panning through the image like in the good ole' full frame p&s era), which results in some odd looking images and a massive loss of picture quality. At least it does not look too odd as it wasn't mentioned before. The old MGM DVD is taken from the same master, and the lesser picture quality is there already visible.

But then I also did not notice then, but on the other it is not a film for which I care much. I still don't have a clue why this ordinary Spag should be one of the best of the sub-genre. Compared to Leone or the best Corbucci films it is ... well, not garbage, but at least a pale one.
At least in Germany this film was never considered as good as in the English speaking world.



Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Moorman on January 26, 2017, 11:13:01 PM
Saw this tonight.  Very, Very, Very good movie. I was surprised. I loved everything about this movie.

1.  The cinematography.  Got to see a lot of locations i haven't seen before.

2.  The script. The plot was on point. It was more believable to me than Van Cleef's character popping up in the middle of a civil war prison camp as a officer in GBU, lol.  The gunplay was pretty good.

3.  The acting.  Very good. Everybody was on point. Van Cleef was perfect as usual.  Luigi Pistilli got lots of screen time as the bad guy.

4. Music score- Pretty good. Not what i'm used to hearing, but my western library isn't that deep yet. Enno did a fantastic job with it.

Overall.... i rate it a  8/10  That may seem high to folks, but it hit on everything i love about westerns...


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 27, 2017, 12:10:00 AM
Saw this tonight.  Very, Very, Very good movie. I was surprised. I loved everything about this movie.

1.  The cinematography.  Got to see a lot of locations i haven't seen before.

2.  The script. The plot was on point. It was more believable to me than Van Cleef's character popping up in the middle of a civil war prison camp as a officer in GBU, lol.  The gunplay was pretty good.

3.  The acting.  Very good. Everybody was on point. Van Cleef was perfect as usual.  Luigi Pistilli got lots of screen time as the bad guy.

4. Music score- Pretty good. Not what i'm used to hearing, but my western library isn't that deep yet. Enno did a fantastic job with it.

Overall.... i rate it a  8/10  That may seem high to folks, but it hit on everything i love about westerns...

Re#2: Did you see the 177-minute version of GBU or the 161-minute version?

The longer version has a scene (the "Fort scene") that explains that Van Cleef found out that Carson -if he were still alive - would end up at Betterville; not too hard to imagine that he (perhaps with a military past) would go enlist for the Union and get a job at the camp in the hopes of meeting Carson there.

In the 161-minute version, that scene was cut. In the SLWB, most of us - those who prefer the long version and those who prefer the short, or somewhere in between - agree that this is the most important of the cut scenes. Some people who prefer the shorter version still say this one scene should not have been cut out.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: noodles_leone on January 27, 2017, 03:05:44 AM
I'm confused about this GBU discussion on a Death Rides a Horse thread. What movie are we rating here?


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on January 27, 2017, 04:32:05 AM
Saw this tonight.  Very, Very, Very good movie. I was surprised. I loved everything about this movie.

1.  The cinematography.  Got to see a lot of locations i haven't seen before.

2.  The script. The plot was on point. It was more believable to me than Van Cleef's character popping up in the middle of a civil war prison camp as a officer in GBU, lol.  The gunplay was pretty good.

3.  The acting.  Very good. Everybody was on point. Van Cleef was perfect as usual.  Luigi Pistilli got lots of screen time as the bad guy.

4. Music score- Pretty good. Not what i'm used to hearing, but my western library isn't that deep yet. Enno did a fantastic job with it.

Overall.... i rate it a  8/10  That may seem high to folks, but it hit on everything i love about westerns...

Yea the fort scene in GBU pretty much explains it can be fictionalized this way in the GBU timeline ;-)

"Angel Eyes is at Ft. Marcy converted into a makeshift hospital outside of Santa Fe, New Mexico Territory (the other two Confederate hospitals were in Albuquerque, and Socorro). He finds out that Canby and the Union Forces have cut the Confederates to pieces at the Battles of Apache Canyon & Glorieta. If Carson is taken alive as a prisoner he will be sent to Batterville Camp (900 miles East). AE leaves for Batterville along the Santa Fe Trail, traveling at an average of 30 miles a day he reaches the vicinity of Batterville in a month. (what makes the most sense is for Batterville to be near Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas & St. Joseph, Missouri, historically the closest Union POW Camp was in Illinois but this early in the war prisoners were actually most likely pardoned).

Mid May -1862: Angel Eyes waylays a Union Sergeant newly assigned to the camp assumes his identity, and awaits the possible arrival of Bill Carson while running a black market ring at the camp."

Yea I agree Luigi Pistilli gets more time as the leader of the bad guys, don't know what Stanton is talking about.

The best of Lee Van Cleef's post For A Few Dollars More (Leone Western) films are for me anyway:
 
The Big Gundown (introduces Tomas Milian as Cuchillo - Milian is another big star of the Spaghetti Westerns and you'll get a kick out of his films also)
Death Rides A Horse

After these two come

Day of Anger a bit flawed because of budgetary constraints
Barquero an American Western with Warren Oates
El Condor a Euro Western with Jim Brown

Then you have Sabata and Return of Sabata which are more in the vein of the TV show "The Wild Wild West" Van Cleef is a sort of secret agent.

After that they get a bit too off the wall for me

Beyond the Law
Captain Apache
Bad Man's River
The Grand Duel

 



Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Moorman on January 27, 2017, 05:23:17 AM
Re#2: Did you see the 177-minute version of GBU or the 161-minute version?

The longer version has a scene (the "Fort scene") that explains that Van Cleef found out that Carson -if he were still alive - would end up at Betterville; not too hard to imagine that he (perhaps with a military past) would go enlist for the Union and get a job at the camp in the hopes of meeting Carson there.

In the 161-minute version, that scene was cut. In the SLWB, most of us - those who prefer the long version and those who prefer the short, or somewhere in between - agree that this is the most important of the cut scenes. Some people who prefer the shorter version still say this one scene should not have been cut out.

I have the 161 minute version. I always hated that he just pops up, booted and suited as a officer, no explanation given. And even so, its still awkward to explain it instead of showing how he got his position.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Moorman on January 27, 2017, 05:28:58 AM
Yea the fort scene in GBU pretty much explains it can be fictionalized this way in the GBU timeline ;-)

"Angel Eyes is at Ft. Marcy converted into a makeshift hospital outside of Santa Fe, New Mexico Territory (the other two Confederate hospitals were in Albuquerque, and Socorro). He finds out that Canby and the Union Forces have cut the Confederates to pieces at the Battles of Apache Canyon & Glorieta. If Carson is taken alive as a prisoner he will be sent to Batterville Camp (900 miles East). AE leaves for Batterville along the Santa Fe Trail, traveling at an average of 30 miles a day he reaches the vicinity of Batterville in a month. (what makes the most sense is for Batterville to be near Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas & St. Joseph, Missouri, historically the closest Union POW Camp was in Illinois but this early in the war prisoners were actually most likely pardoned).

Mid May -1862: Angel Eyes waylays a Union Sergeant newly assigned to the camp assumes his identity, and awaits the possible arrival of Bill Carson while running a black market ring at the camp."

Yea I agree Luigi Pistilli gets more time as the leader of the bad guys, don't know what Stanton is talking about.

The best of Lee Van Cleef's post For A Few Dollars More (Leone Western) films are for me anyway:
 
The Big Gundown (introduces Tomas Milian as Cuchillo - Milian is another big star of the Spaghetti Westerns and you'll get a kick out of his films also)
Death Rides A Horse

After these two come

Day of Anger a bit flawed because of budgetary constraints
Barquero an American Western with Warren Oates
El Condor a Euro Western with Jim Brown

Then you have Sabata and Return of Sabata which are more in the vein of the TV show "The Wild Wild West" Van Cleef is a sort of secret agent.

After that they get a bit too off the wall for me

Beyond the Law
Captain Apache
Bad Man's River
The Grand Duel

 



I thought i was correct about Luigi playing the bad guy.  I can't wait to see The Big Gundown, Day of Anger and Sabata.  May take a flyer on Barquero also...
Van Cleef is one of my favorites. I'm soo glad he got to do those SWS' after GBU... Gonna check out Sabata sometime in the next few days...


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: stanton on January 27, 2017, 05:39:57 AM
I'm confused about this GBU discussion on a Death Rides a Horse thread. What movie are we rating here?


Ha ha, I was obviously tricked by D&D to think that Moorman wrote about GBU. I remove my post above (which is then not above anymore, but still in board-heaven above)


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on January 27, 2017, 05:43:16 AM
You'll probably get a kick out of the Spaghetti Westerns of Tomas Milian and Franco Nero along with those of Clint Eastwood and Lee Van Cleef,  they were in some great ones, Gian Maria Volonte was also in A Bullet For The General a must see too.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: mike siegel on January 27, 2017, 05:43:37 AM
I never had a problem with Angel Eyes popping up in uniform in the camp. On the contrary. It suits the script and his characterization - the guy does everything to get the gold. He has the information he needs and with the downfall of the confederate army he will be where Baker will wind up... It also makes him more menacing, almost super-evil.

DA UOMO is a fine film, not in the Top 15, but Top 25 certainly. Slightly too long but quite good considering all the mediocre westerns that were produced in those years to make a quick bug. LAW had a great year back then: BARBARELLA, DIABOLIK, DA UOMO ....


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 27, 2017, 06:09:40 AM
I never had a problem with Angel Eyes popping up in uniform in the camp. On the contrary. It suits the script and his characterization - the guy does everything to get the gold.
In terms of drama, yeah. But narratively we all end up asking, How did he get there? CJ's explanation is the best I've ever read.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Moorman on January 27, 2017, 06:24:07 AM
You'll probably get a kick out of the Spaghetti Westerns of Tomas Milian and Franco Nero along with those of Clint Eastwood and Lee Van Cleef,  they were in some great ones, Gian Maria Volonte was also in A Bullet For The General a must see too.

Thanx for the heads up on that. I'm looking thru the sphagetti western database for movies by Milian, Nero and Volonte...  The Great Silence looks promising.  A Bullet for the General and The Mercenary also...


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Moorman on January 27, 2017, 06:25:28 AM
In terms of drama, yeah. But narratively we all end up asking, How did he get there? CJ's explanation is the best I've ever read.

AND got RANK...LOL  Not only did he pop up, but if I'm not mistaken, he is RUNNING the camp... Thats a lot in a short amount of time...


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: stanton on January 27, 2017, 07:17:20 AM
The Great Silence looks promising.  A Bullet for the General and The Mercenary also...

Watch these 3 and Cemetery without Crosses. You hardly find better SWs apart from Leone.

Death Rides a Horse is way beneath them for me. Surely not one of the 50 best.

An insider tip is El puro (Edoardo Mulargia, 1969)) which uses a very Morricone like score (very, very similar to FoD and GBU) by Allesandro Allesandroni to tell a quite unusual story with offbeat characters and is surprisingly well made. You can download a sufficient enough VHS rip here: http://rarelust.com/the-rewards-yours-the-mans-mine-1969/

Everybody here watch it ...



Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on January 27, 2017, 07:24:19 AM
AND got RANK...LOL  Not only did he pop up, but if I'm not mistaken, he is RUNNING the camp... Thats a lot in a short amount of time...

It's actually more time than you think. You got to also keep in mind that the film spans a time period of 8 months.

He's running the camp because the Captain has gangrene, when Tuco and Blondie are captured they would have been marched on foot up to Denver then East to Leavenworth, where as Angel Eyes would have rode directly diagonally there. For him traveling say 30 miles a day he would have got there in 25 to 30 days. He would have been there about a month before Tuco and Blondie plenty of time to set himself up as is shown in the film.

From timeline:

July - 1862: Blondie & Tuco marched into Batterville Camp, from Ft. Craig, 1,020 miles ( at a pace of about 15 or 20 + or - miles a day, over the Santa Fe trail. It would have taken them about 50 -65 days) to this fictitious camp (again, the closest real Union POW camp was in Illinois). This site also is located near the longest railroad existing at the time (St. Joseph & Hannibal RR) west of the Mississippi. Tuco is tortured and tells AE that Sad Hill near Ft. Smith Arkansas is the name of the cemetery. Tuco & Wallace to St. Joseph & Hannibal RR. After ten hours on the train Tuco escapes and catches the next train back. Tuco tracks AE & Blondie South towards Ft. Smith, and Sad Hill. AE & Blondie & AE's gang traveling about 30 miles per day and Tuco traveling about 40 miles per day both reach Ft. Smith at the same time. (Ft. Smith, Arkansas changed hands several times during the Civil War and makes a good candidate for the battered town on a major river the Arkansas.) Tuco kills one armed bounty hunter who has been on the lookout for him for eight months. B&T kill AEs gang and head for Sad Hill.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Moorman on January 27, 2017, 07:44:04 AM
It's actually more time than you think. You got to also keep in mind that the film spans a time period of 8 months.

He's running the camp because the Captain has gangrene, when Tuco and Blondie are captured they would have been marched on foot up to Denver then East to Leavenworth, where as Angel Eyes would have rode directly diagonally there. For him traveling say 30 miles a day he would have got there in 25 to 30 days. He would have been there about a month before Tuco and Blondie plenty of time to set himself up as is shown in the film.

From timeline:

July - 1862: Blondie & Tuco marched into Batterville Camp, from Ft. Craig, 1,020 miles ( at a pace of about 15 or 20 + or - miles a day, over the Santa Fe trail. It would have taken them about 50 -65 days) to this fictitious camp (again, the closest real Union POW camp was in Illinois). This site also is located near the longest railroad existing at the time (St. Joseph & Hannibal RR) west of the Mississippi. Tuco is tortured and tells AE that Sad Hill near Ft. Smith Arkansas is the name of the cemetery. Tuco & Wallace to St. Joseph & Hannibal RR. After ten hours on the train Tuco escapes and catches the next train back. Tuco tracks AE & Blondie South towards Ft. Smith, and Sad Hill. AE & Blondie & AE's gang traveling about 30 miles per day and Tuco traveling about 40 miles per day both reach Ft. Smith at the same time. (Ft. Smith, Arkansas changed hands several times during the Civil War and makes a good candidate for the battered town on a major river the Arkansas.) Tuco kills one armed bounty hunter who has been on the lookout for him for eight months. B&T kill AEs gang and head for Sad Hill.


Gonna move my response over to the GBU threads so as to not mix it up too much with this thread.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: Moorman on January 27, 2017, 07:59:11 AM
Watch these 3 and Cemetery without Crosses. You hardly find better SWs apart from Leone.

Death Rides a Horse is way beneath them for me. Surely not one of the 50 best.

An insider tip is El puro (Edoardo Mulargia, 1969)) which uses a very Morricone like score (very, very similar to FoD and GBU) by Allesandro Allesandroni to tell a quite unusual story with offbeat characters and is surprisingly well made. You can download a sufficient enough VHS rip here: http://rarelust.com/the-rewards-yours-the-mans-mine-1969/

Everybody here watch it ...



I see why you posted the link. I cant find this movie anywhere available on DVD or Blu Ray.  I wanna check this out.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 27, 2017, 09:33:10 AM
I have the 161 minute version. I always hated that he just pops up, booted and suited as a officer, no explanation given. And even so, its still awkward to explain it instead of showing how he got his position.

You have to watch the 177-minute version. Its on all blu rays and on the MGM Special Edition DVD


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: stanton on January 27, 2017, 10:03:21 AM
I see why you posted the link. I cant find this movie anywhere available on DVD or Blu Ray.  I wanna check this out.

No DVD available, at least none which is worth the name.


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on February 18, 2017, 07:12:33 PM
New Edition? What the heck is this? https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B01M585JEI/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF


Title: Re: Death Rides a Horse aka Da uomo a uomo (1967)
Post by: stanton on February 19, 2017, 05:46:42 AM
A re-pack of the earlier Blu. Now only the film, no bonus, but cheap.