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Films of Sergio Leone => Duck, You Sucker => Topic started by: The clint on February 11, 2012, 07:23:33 PM



Title: Spanish version of DYS
Post by: The clint on February 11, 2012, 07:23:33 PM
I just discovered this Spanish version of DYS on youtube. Crappy quality for sure but has some interesting features: Running 2:16 minutes (in PAL, would be about 2:21 in 24p) this cut seems like some sort of the hybrid between the United Artists cut version and the Italian version. All the cuts correspond to cuts made in the the UA version, most notably the shortening of Juan's seduction of the aristocratic woman, the night scene by the church, dialogue from Dr. Villega referencing "foreign capitalists", Juan's "how to get fucked!" line and the second-to-last flashback which is missing the long "moment" shared by John and his friend before he shoots him (the editing of the music is a complete mess in this scene). Surprisingly, the entire final flashback has been restored to this version (with the original music too!).

Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpPIPVX1dK4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpPIPVX1dK4)


Title: Re: Spanish version of DYS
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 12, 2012, 04:13:19 AM
I just discovered this Spanish version of DYS on youtube. Crappy quality for sure but has some interesting features: Running 2:16 minutes (in PAL, would be about 2:21 in 24p) this cut seems like some sort of the hybrid between the United Artists cut version and the Italian version. All the cuts correspond to cuts made in the the UA version, most notably the shortening of Juan's seduction of the aristocratic woman, the night scene by the church, dialogue from Dr. Villega referencing "foreign capitalists", Juan's "how to get fucked!" line and the second-to-last flashback which is missing the long "moment" shared by John and his friend before he shoots him (the editing of the music is a complete mess in this scene). Surprisingly, the entire final flashback has been restored to this version (with the original music too!).

Here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpPIPVX1dK4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpPIPVX1dK4)

is there anything here that is not in the English Special Edition MGM dvd (from "The Sergio Leone Anthology")? That is the dvd that I have and I just want to know if there is any footage that was ever included in any version of the movie -- the one at that link or anywhere else -- that is not in that Special Edition dvd?


Title: Re: Spanish version of DYS
Post by: The clint on February 13, 2012, 04:26:51 PM
is there anything here that is not in the English Special Edition MGM dvd (from "The Sergio Leone Anthology")? That is the dvd that I have and I just want to know if there is any footage that was ever included in any version of the movie -- the one at that link or anywhere else -- that is not in that Special Edition dvd?

The SE MGM DVD contains, to my knowledge, all existing footage.


Title: Re: Spanish version of DYS
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 13, 2012, 09:18:21 PM
The SE MGM DVD contains, to my knowledge, all existing footage.

Thanks.

I know that the scene with Dr. Villega being tortured -- see in shadows or something -- was shot but Leone decided not to include it in the movie; is that scene available anywhere?


p.s. As far as I know, of all the scenes in Leone movies that were shot but which Leone himself then decided not to include in the movie, none survived, right? I was just thinking: maybe he specifically destroyed them to prevent anyone from ever including it in any version of the movie later on? I mean, he wouldn't have been thinking about home video, but perhaps restored re-releases in theater? is it possible that Leone wanted to eliminate any possibility they would ever be used later on and therefore destroyed them? I'm asking because I was just thinking that it was interesting that none of the scenes that Leone himself decided not to include in a movie, have survived.




Title: Re: Spanish version of DYS
Post by: The clint on February 19, 2012, 10:22:40 AM
Thanks.

I know that the scene with Dr. Villega being tortured -- see in shadows or something -- was shot but Leone decided not to include it in the movie; is that scene available anywhere?


p.s. As far as I know, of all the scenes in Leone movies that were shot but which Leone himself then decided not to include in the movie, none survived, right? I was just thinking: maybe he specifically destroyed them to prevent anyone from ever including it in any version of the movie later on? I mean, he wouldn't have been thinking about home video, but perhaps restored re-releases in theater? is it possible that Leone wanted to eliminate any possibility they would ever be used later on and therefore destroyed them? I'm asking because I was just thinking that it was interesting that none of the scenes that Leone himself decided not to include in a movie, have survived.




To my knowledge all deleted scenes from DYS are missing, but Once Upon a Time in the West and America both had some surviving deleted footage (That's already been incorporated into "West" in Italy) so Leone definitely wasn't one of those directors that systematically destroyed all unused footage. However, both "West" and "America" were US productions while DYS is an Italian-only production. Perhaps Italian production companies took less care in preserving unused footage.


Title: Re: Spanish version of DYS
Post by: stanton on February 19, 2012, 01:12:16 PM
OUTW was also an Italian production. Parmaount gave money, just like UA did for GBU and DYS.


Title: Re: Spanish version of DYS
Post by: The clint on February 19, 2012, 01:59:42 PM
OUTW was also an Italian production. Parmaount gave money, just like UA did for GBU and DYS.

I stand corrected, OUTW was an Italian-US coproduction, but where have you heard that GBU and DYS were financed by UA? As far as I know UA only handled the distribution...


Title: Re: Spanish version of DYS
Post by: drinkanddestroy on May 04, 2012, 03:07:05 AM
I stand corrected, OUTW was an Italian-US coproduction, but where have you heard that GBU and DYS were financed by UA? As far as I know UA only handled the distribution...

The chapter on GBU in STDWD says that (I believe the Italian arm of) UA financed GBU (at least partially), after the successes of the first two Dollars films in Italy.


Title: Re: Spanish version of DYS
Post by: stanton on May 04, 2012, 05:30:47 AM
UA gave half of the money for GBU (600 000 $), and got for that also the distribution rights for all 3 Dollar films in the USA and the UK. Incredible deal as the Trilogy made in the USA alone about 15 Mio $.