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Title: High Sierra (1941)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 26, 2012, 12:08:45 AM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033717/

High Sierra (1941)

Cast, courtesy of imdb:

Ida Lupino    ...   Marie
    Humphrey Bogart    ...   Roy Earle
    Alan Curtis    ...   'Babe'
    Arthur Kennedy    ...   'Red'
    Joan Leslie    ...   Velma
    Henry Hull    ...   'Doc' Banton
    Henry Travers    ...   Pa
    Jerome Cowan    ...   Healy
    Minna Gombell    ...   Mrs. Baughmam
    Barton MacLane    ...   Jake Kranmer
    Elisabeth Risdon    ...   Ma (as Elizabeth Risdon)
    Cornel Wilde    ...   Louis Mendoza
    Donald MacBride    ...   Big Mac
    Paul Harvey    ...   Mr. Baughmam
    Isabel Jewell    ...   Blonde

I give this a 7/10

This was Bogart's first "leading" role, though top billing went to Ida Lupino; it would be the last time Bogart did not get top billing. Joan Leslie is beautiful as a teenager in her first major role.

I've always believed that Bogie wasn't as good a gangster, as he was later in his career once he became a leading man and started getting big non-gangster roles.

The dvd has an interesting 15-minute documentary on the making of the movie.


Title: Re: High Sierra (1941)
Post by: cigar joe on February 26, 2012, 03:51:55 AM
Not really very "noir" either I'll go 7/10, I like its remake as a Western Colorado Territory with Joel McCrea better : http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041253/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041253/)


Title: Re: High Sierra (1941)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 26, 2012, 04:28:21 AM
Not really very "noir" either

cj, you are the one who officially decides "what is a noir" around here. I didn't create the index.
 Indeed, there ain't nuthin noir about High Sierra. Just like there ain't nuthin noir about Ace in the Hole. I don't care how many Books or Lists say they are noirs.  ;D


Title: Re: High Sierra (1941)
Post by: cigar joe on February 26, 2012, 04:08:22 PM
cj, you are the one who officially decides "what is a noir" around here. I didn't create the index.
 Indeed, there ain't nuthin noir about High Sierra. Just like there ain't nuthin noir about Ace in the Hole. I don't care how many Books or Lists say they are noirs.  ;D

But you don't know nutin about new-are  from all your dislikes of great Noir Films  ;)


Title: Re: High Sierra (1941)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 26, 2012, 04:36:34 PM
But you don't know nutin about new-are  from all your dislikes of great Noir Films  ;)

you don't even like Out of the Past!

as moviesceleton said, I need something besides a dark alley and a femme fatale   :)


Title: Re: High Sierra (1941)
Post by: cigar joe on February 26, 2012, 05:51:59 PM
you don't even like Out of the Past!

as moviesceleton said, I need something besides a dark alley and a femme fatale   :)

I never said I didn't like Out of The Past its a great film I just said comparatively to:

The Big Combo
Crime Wave
Raw Deal
The Asphalt Jungle
He Walked By Night
Criss Cross
The Narrow Margin
Night And The City
Crossfire
Red Light
They Live By Night
Where Danger Lives
The Set Up
The Phantom Lady
Scarlett Street
Detour
The Window
99 River Street
Killers Kiss
The Killers
Double Indemnity
T Men
The Killing
Dead Reckoning
The Crooked Way
Edge of Doom
The Dark Corner
Where The Sidewalk Ends
Kiss Me Deadly
Sudden Fear
Armored Car Robbery

Its not very DARK


Title: Re: High Sierra (1941)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 27, 2012, 01:58:23 AM
I never said I didn't like Out of The Past its a great film I just said comparatively to:

The Big Combo
Crime Wave
Raw Deal
The Asphalt Jungle
He Walked By Night
Criss Cross
The Narrow Margin
Night And The City
Crossfire
Red Light
They Live By Night
Where Danger Lives
The Set Up
The Phantom Lady
Scarlett Street
Detour
The Window
99 River Street
Killers Kiss
The Killers
Double Indemnity
T Men
The Killing
Dead Reckoning
The Crooked Way
Edge of Doom
The Dark Corner
Where The Sidewalk Ends
Kiss Me Deadly
Sudden Fear
Armored Car Robbery

Its not very DARK

Out of the Past it may be less dark than those, but it is better than all (seven!) of the movies I have seen on that list (Red Light, The Set Up, Detour, 99 River Street, Where the Sidewalk Ends, Kiss Me Deadly, Double Indemnity). And if you consider Ace in the Hole a noir, then my 2 favorite noirs (of the very limited number I have seen) are Ace in the Hole and Out of the Past.

Again, I don't care for dark just for the sake of dark  ;)

p.s. why is Act of Violence not on that list? Not dark enough for you? And what about I Married A Communist aka The Woman on Pier 13?


Title: Re: High Sierra (1941)
Post by: cigar joe on February 27, 2012, 04:06:11 AM
Out of the Past it may be less dark than those, but it is better than all (seven!) of the movies I have seen on that list (Red Light, The Set Up, Detour, 99 River Street, Where the Sidewalk Ends, Kiss Me Deadly, Double Indemnity). And if you consider Ace in the Hole a noir, then my 2 favorite noirs (of the very limited number I have seen) are Ace in the Hole and Out of the Past.

Again, I don't care for dark just for the sake of dark  ;)

p.s. why is Act of Violence not on that list? Not dark enough for you? And what about I Married A Communist aka The Woman on Pier 13?

That is the whole point Noir translates Dark, and for me my emphasis is on the Stlyistics and Cinematography for what I'm calling a True Noir Genre, not which ones I think are good or bad, or which films top most conventional Film Noir lists, Ace in The Hole,  and Out of the Past are good films but along with Act Of Violence are not quite as DARK as the list. Now I've only seen The Woman On Pier 13 once and I remember the end being pretty dark but I didn't watch it with the list in mind so I'm adding those that I see that fit when I see them to My Hard Core List.

Its like making a list of Westerns, I'm looking at what makes the film a Western first not whether the Western is good or bad.

The other list in the Index is derived from the American Encyclopedia Of Film Noir for starters and adding others as they crop up.


Title: Re: High Sierra (1941)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 10, 2012, 06:21:05 PM
RE: my point i my first post that IMO Bogie was better in his non-gangster roles than in his early roles as a gangster.

From the Bogie movies I've seen:

He was a very good gangster in those supporting performances ending in High Sierra,() his last non-leading role) including, from what I have seen:The Petrified Forest, Dead End, The Roaring Twenties, High Sierra, Bullets or Ballots.
But IMO his all-time great performances were in his  non-gangster roles, including, from what I have seen: The Maltese Falcon, Treasure of the Sierra Madre, Casablanca, The Big Sleep, Key Largo, In a Lonely Place, The African Queen.




Title: Re: High Sierra (1941)
Post by: cigar joe on April 11, 2012, 03:45:31 AM
Wait a minute I can't believe you don't think High Sierra didn't have kind of a stupid ending? That criminal conveniently basically trees himself for the law dogs ending is always the weak point in that one :)

watch Dead Reckoning and Dark Passage and maybe The Desperate Hours, three Film Noir and get back to us  O0


Title: Re: High Sierra (1941)
Post by: Groggy on April 11, 2012, 08:05:16 AM
Your list is severely lacking The Caine Mutiny. For shame.


Title: Re: High Sierra (1941)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 11, 2012, 08:59:25 AM
Thanks for the recommendations. I believe The Caine Mutiny is in my queue. as for cj's noirs, I'll have to think about it  ;)

cj: wasn't he trapped up there? I don't think he had a choice about it. Wasn't he being chased in the car and they shot his tires or sumthin?


Title: Re: High Sierra (1941)
Post by: cigar joe on April 11, 2012, 03:06:05 PM
Your list is severely lacking The Caine Mutiny. For shame.

i didn't realize it was a film noir, :)  if you are answering me


Title: Re: High Sierra (1941)
Post by: cigar joe on April 11, 2012, 03:09:53 PM
Thanks for the recommendations. I believe The Caine Mutiny is in my queue. as for cj's noirs, I'll have to think about it  ;)

cj: wasn't he trapped up there? I don't think he had a choice about it. Wasn't he being chased in the car and they shot his tires or sumthin?

I would have headed towards a city number one, and failing that if caught in the mountains head down into the cover of stream bed rather than up an exposed slope.


Title: Re: High Sierra (1941)
Post by: Groggy on April 11, 2012, 03:28:35 PM
i didn't realize it was a film noir, :)  if you are answering me

I was not.


Title: Re: High Sierra (1941)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 28, 2012, 09:58:38 AM
So I've seen some of the movies that Groggy and cj advised me to:

 The Caine Mutiny indeed features a great Bogie performance. (Fred MacMurray and Tom Tully were also great in supporting roles. Bogie and Tully were nominated for Oscars; the movie was nominated for a total of 7 Oscars categories but did not win any). That line where he says he figured it out with "geometric logic"  ;D 8/10

Dead Reckoning is decent, in the 7/10 range
Dark Passage is ridiculous. It gets 6/10 entirely cuz Bogie and Bacall are always fun to watch. The story is beyond stupid.


Title: Re: High Sierra (1941)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on September 11, 2013, 07:23:17 AM
I just saw High Sierra for the second time, this movie goes way up in my estimation. My previous 7/10 rating was so wrong.
I'm giving it a 9/10  O0 O0


Title: Re: High Sierra (1941)
Post by: cigar joe on December 01, 2013, 04:08:24 PM
I just saw High Sierra for the second time, this movie goes way up in my estimation. My previous 7/10 rating was so wrong.
I'm giving it a 9/10  O0 O0

What planet are you smoking? its a 7/10, at best I like it almost less everytime I see it ^-^


Title: Re: High Sierra (1941)
Post by: dave jenkins on December 01, 2013, 04:23:43 PM
Yeah, the stuff with Joan Leslie is really annoying.


Title: Re: High Sierra (1941)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 01, 2013, 07:09:35 PM
I thought Leslie was terrific, I always love Ida Lupino (not talkin about looks, I just mean she is one of my favorite actresses)... Bogie delivers a terrific performance and it's a great character. A terrific movie.

The only negative about this movie is that it spawned I Died a Thousand Times  ;D


Title: Re: High Sierra (1941)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 01, 2013, 07:10:03 PM
What planet are you smoking? its a 7/10, at best I like it almost less everytime I see it ^-^

then maybe you should stop seeing it  ^-^