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Title: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 30, 2012, 09:02:50 AM
This is awesome news!

http://www.filmforum.org/movies/more/spaghetti_westerns#nowplaying

Throughout June 2012, The Film Forum in New York City will be screening Spaghetti Westerns!!! All of Leone's Westerns will be shown, as well as many others!

All tickets are $12.50.
Maybe we can pick a day or two to go as a group to the screening(s).
I definitely want to go to as many movies as possible -- particularly the Leone ones -- and I'd love to go with anyone here who may be interested.

If you wanna going to one or more screening, reply here, and hopefully we can have some good times  :)


On Sunday June 10, they are showing FOD at 1:00 PM, FAFDM at 3:00 PM, and GBU at 5:40 PM. Anyone interested in doing a Dollars tripleheader?  :) :) :)


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: cigar joe on April 30, 2012, 08:12:15 PM
looks cool  O0

The only problem is its a pretty small screen, that is where I first saw the GBU extended English language edition.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 30, 2012, 11:16:17 PM
1) I am sure it'll be fine. It's definitely bigger than my 32" tv  ;) The main things is that I hope the sound is good. A less-than-huge screen doesn't ruin a movie, but a less-than-booming sound does. (Remember the awful sound in Lincoln Center where we watched OUATIA? I couldn't hear a thing. That, combined with the terrible quality of the early reel(s) of film, made for a tough watch). As long as the picture and sound are good, I can live with a smaller screen. I don't imagine that I'll have many chances to see classic movies on The Big Screen, so I want to seize every chance I can get (even if it is actually more like a medium screen"  ;) )

2) The screening of Once Upon a Time in the West is being done by Martin Scorcese's The Film Foundation http://www.film-foundation.org/common/11004/aboutscreenings.cfm?clientID=11004&sid=2&ssid=8 So I am sure they will show the "Scorcese version" of the movie  :)

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NOTE: Though they sound similar, The Film Foundation and Film Forum are separate nonprofit organizations that should not be confused with each other:

 I am sure y'all are familiar with Martin Scorcese's  The Film Foundation, a foundation dedicated to preserving and restoring old films, which they screen at various locations worldwide, including festivals, theaters, and museums, etc. http://www.film-foundation.org/common/11004/aboutMission.cfm?clientID=11004&sid=1&ssid=1

Film Forum is a theater in Manhattan that shows stuff like American independent films, foreign art films, classic films, etc. http://www.filmforum.org/

So Film Forum is the theater in which The Film Foundation has chosen to screen OUATITW (no doubt because Film Forum is having a Spaghetti Western blowout/festival/extravaganza that entire month)  :)




Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: Head Down on May 10, 2012, 06:20:08 PM
I'm going to try to attend a few.  I live in NJ, so it takes a little effort, plus something always seems to come up more often than not.  Plus I've got all the films on DVD (except for "Yankee", which I've never seen), but there are some I'd really like to see if they're cleaned up.  And yes,  the screens can be a bit on the small side, but it's generally a great theater.   


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on May 10, 2012, 06:25:20 PM
I'm going to try to attend a few.  I live in NJ, so it takes a little effort, plus something always seems to come up more often than not.  Plus I've got all the films on DVD (except for "Yankee", which I've never seen), but there are some I'd really like to see if they're cleaned up.  And yes,  the screens can be a bit on the small side, but it's generally a great theater.   


well maybe we can make a group trip. cigar joe may wanna go, and possibly some others will answer as well. if you are interested, we can be in touch as it gets closer to June


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: Novecento on June 01, 2012, 09:49:58 PM
Alex Cox article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/03/movies/a-spaghetti-western-roundup-at-film-forum.html


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 02, 2012, 01:53:35 PM
Quote
The main things is that I hope the sound is good. A less-than-huge screen doesn't ruin a movie, but a less-than-booming sound does. (Remember the awful sound in Lincoln Center where we watched OUATIA? I couldn't hear a thing. That, combined with the terrible quality of the early reel(s) of film, made for a tough watch). As long as the picture and sound are good, I can live with a smaller screen.
If you didn't like the sound at the Walter Reid, you won't like the sound at Film Forum. And Joe's right, the screens are pretty small. What makes this worse is the way the seats are arranged; if you sit up close, you are below the screen and have to look up at it, putting a crick in your neck; if you want a little bit of elevation to your seat you have to sit way in the back, which makes the screen seem even smaller. And they want 12 bucks for each showing. The blu-ray of Bullet For the General is only 15.

Btw, has anyone seen any info about the conditions of the prints being exhibited? OK, they're 35mm; but when were they struck? How do we know they're not all beat to shit? Again, at 12 dollars a pop I'd hate to just go in and take my chances.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 02, 2012, 09:43:20 PM
The movies will be playing all month, so my opinion is, I can try it out once and see how I like it, and if it's terrible then I just won't go back there.

If anyone is interested in going to see one sometime, please respond here or PM me.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: cigar joe on June 02, 2012, 09:49:18 PM
OK


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: Novecento on June 03, 2012, 07:22:08 AM
The one I would like to see is "Kill and Pray" (aka "Requiescant"). I've never seen it and have always been curious.

I actually wish this was happening a couple of months later. I'm moving to NYC permanently in mid August and will be just too late  :(


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 03, 2012, 03:48:23 PM
The one I would like to see is "Kill and Pray" (aka "Requiescant"). I've never seen it and have always been curious.

I actually wish this was happening a couple of months later. I'm moving to NYC permanently in mid August and will be just too late  :(

so come and visit for a week in June and we can check out some Westerns! do you currently live far from New York?


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 03, 2012, 03:55:45 PM
The only non-Leone Spags I have seen are Death Rides a Horse, The Big Gundown, The Mercenary, and Django.

So I'd love to see Leone's Westerns on the big medium screen, and I'd also like to  to see any other films besides those four I've mentioned above. I'd particularly like to see some movies with Gian Maria Volonte; I have heard that he was in many Spags (but then again, I've read that he was a big Commie and that many of his movies are very political, so who knows if I'll like 'em  ;))


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: cigar joe on June 03, 2012, 05:29:00 PM
For more Volonte see A Bullet For the General and Face To Face


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: Novecento on June 03, 2012, 05:54:25 PM
so come and visit for a week in June and we can check out some Westerns! do you currently live far from New York?

About 5000 miles - I'm not even in the country, let alone the city!


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 03, 2012, 05:59:04 PM
For more Volonte see A Bullet For the General and Face To Face

is he (close to) as good in the other movies as he was in Leone's movies?

IMO Indio is the greatest villain in Western history. The other Leone villains are not far behind; but Indio is clearly #1. There are so many amazing things about Leone's movies, that certain aspects often get overlooked. And one of those amazing aspects that I find amazing-but-not-given-enough-credit are how great the antagonists are: It is extremely rare that a viewer will enjoy watching the villains at least as much as he/she enjoys watching the protagonist. All too often, AW's just took the most annoying pain in the ass they could find and made him a villain; they're successful in the sense that you despise him cuz he is so annoying, but you kind of groan every time he appears on screen cuz he is a pain in the ass to watch. The hard thing is having a guy who is utterly despicable and whom you hate passionately, but who is enjoyable to watch. There are some -- Charles McGraw in Saddle the Wind and Jack Palance in Shane come to mind -- but they are very few and far between.
 It is simply amazing how in all of Leone's Westerns, the scenes involving the villains are just as enjoyable as those involving the protagonists. I just wonder how much of it was Leone's direction and how much was Volonte; and therefore  if Volonte was anywhere near as good in non-Leone films as he was in FOD and FAFDM. (eg. Lee Van Cleef - in the limited roles in AW's that he had before FAFDM -- wasn't nearly as good as he was in Leone and post-Leone films... eg. in Ride Lonesome he speaks way to quickly. He is so much better when he speaks and walks and acts slowly. Hey, I just thought of this: maybe his terrible auto accident contributed cuz it forced him to walk slower and therefore be more menacing! [Though that wouldn't have to do with his talking more slowly])


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 03, 2012, 05:59:44 PM
About 5000 miles - I'm not even in the country, let alone the city!

so it's a big move for you... welcome to the city that never sleeps   O0


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: cigar joe on June 03, 2012, 06:18:11 PM
is he (close to) as good in the other movies as he was in Leone's movies?

IMO Indio is the greatest villain in Western history. The other Leone villains are not far behind; but Indio is clearly #1. There are so many amazing things about Leone's movies, that certain aspects often get overlooked. And one of those amazing aspects that I find amazing-but-not-given-enough-credit are how great the antagonists are: It is extremely rare that a viewer will enjoy watching the villains at least as much as he/she enjoys watching the protagonist. All too often, AW's just took the most annoying pain in the ass they could find and made him a villain; they're successful in the sense that you despise him cuz he is so annoying, but you kind of groan every time he appears on screen cuz he is a pain in the ass to watch. The hard thing is having a guy who is utterly despicable and whom you hate passionately, but who is enjoyable to watch. There are some -- Charles McGraw in Saddle the Wind and Jack Palance in Shane come to mind -- but they are very few and far between.
 It is simply amazing how in all of Leone's Westerns, the scenes involving the villains are just as enjoyable as those involving the protagonists. I just wonder how much of it was Leone's direction and how much was Volonte; and therefore  if Volonte was anywhere near as good in non-Leone films as he was in FOD and FAFDM. (eg. Lee Van Cleef - in the limited roles in AW's that he had before FAFDM -- wasn't nearly as good as he was in Leone and post-Leone films... eg. in Ride Lonesome he speaks way to quickly. He is so much better when he speaks and walks and acts slowly. Hey, I just thought of this: maybe his terrible auto accident contributed cuz it forced him to walk slower and therefore be more menacing! [Though that wouldn't have to do with his talking more slowly])

I think he's great in A Bullet For The General, only problem in the versions I've seen he's dubbed by a different voice actor, there is supposed to be another cut that has the familiar Bud Grant voice (that we expect)  but I've never tracked it down, it would be nice to find out if the Film Forum has that particular version.

I can't remember who dubs Face To Face.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 03, 2012, 07:11:24 PM
if anyone wants to see one of these Spags and is interested in making a long Leone day of it, we can meet in the morning or early afternoon and visit some of the New York City filming locations of OUATIA, then have some McSorley's brews, befor heading to the Film Forum for an evening Spag  O0


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 03, 2012, 07:28:20 PM
I think he's great in A Bullet For The General, only problem in the versions I've seen he's dubbed by a different voice actor, there is supposed to be another cut that has the familiar Bud Grant voice (that we expect)  but I've never tracked it down, it would be nice to find out if the Film Forum has that particular version.
Hmm, I was assuming these were gonna be shown in Italian. I guess we don't know. D&D, you could call the theater and find out (except you won't be able to find anyone there who knows).

It's another case of Pay Your Money And Take Your Chances.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: Novecento on June 03, 2012, 07:42:15 PM
I think he's great in A Bullet For The General, only problem in the versions I've seen he's dubbed by a different voice actor, there is supposed to be another cut that has the familiar Bud Grant voice (that we expect)  but I've never tracked it down, it would be nice to find out if the Film Forum has that particular version.

The new Blue Underground BD has both cuts (international and US versions) with apparently the different english dubs for each one. The old German DVD had both English dubs as well but on the same cut (the longer one I think)


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 03, 2012, 07:45:27 PM
I now see that they're advertising The Big Gundown as the U.S. Premier of the Complete Italian Version. So, I guess that one will be in Italian, but maybe not the others.

Everybody see that Tony Musante is supposed to be on hand for The Mercenary tomorrow night?

And they've added Corbucci's Minnesota Clay for Tuesday.

And you can get Alex Cox to autograph his book on Thursday.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: cigar joe on June 03, 2012, 07:49:31 PM
I now see that they're advertising The Big Gundown as the U.S. Premier of the Complete Italian Version. So, I guess that one will be in Italian, but maybe not the others.

Everybody see that Tony Musante is supposed to be on hand for The Mercenary tomorrow night?

And they've added Corbucci's Minnesota Clay for Tuesday.

And you can get Alex Cox to autograph his book on Thursday.

Saw that  O0


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: Novecento on June 03, 2012, 08:13:10 PM
so it's a big move for you... welcome to the city that never sleeps   O0

Thanks - irony is I was actually in NYC just last week so I really am just missing out on seeing this.

Everybody see that Tony Musante is supposed to be on hand for The Mercenary tomorrow night?

Be interesting to hear his thoughts.

And you can get Alex Cox to autograph his book on Thursday.

I assume that's the one he released a couple of years back - "10,000 Ways to Die"?


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 03, 2012, 08:26:48 PM
I assume that's the one he released a couple of years back - "10,000 Ways to Die"?
You assume correctly.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 03, 2012, 08:51:34 PM
I'd love to ask Cox if he still thinks the Frank-Jill sex scene in OUATITW is out of order  ;D ;D ;D


I never thought about what language the movies would be in; I assume that if there is an English dub, that would be the one shown, but I have no idea. Either way, I don't care enough to call the theater to find out; I'll go see the movies anyway if any of you wanna go.

it would be nice to hear Musante -- I really liked The Mercenary. As insanely outrageous as many Sapgs are, this one is even more outrageously outrageous  ;)
btw, the English dialogue of Giovanna Ralli (the female lead in The Mercenary) was definitely dubbed by the same woman who dubbed Claudia Cardinale's English dialogue OUATITW. (I really don't like Jill's English dub in OUATITA. Maybe it's just cuz I know what Cardinale really sounds like, which is nothing like the English dub; her voice is much deeper. In fact, according to the second paragraph here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudia_Cardinale#Career she wasn't allowed to dub her own voice even in her early Italian movies, cuz her voice was too deep and hoarse, and cuz her Italian had a French accent).


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 05, 2012, 02:33:17 PM
ARCHEOLOGY AND MYTHOLOGY - SPAGHETTI WESTERNS SERIES

The Italian Cultural Institute, in collaboration with the Film Forum, on the occasion of the Spaghetti Westerns film festival, is proud to host a panel discussion on the great Italian Western movies of the 60s and 70s.
The Western genre has widely contributed to the successes of many Italian directors,
actors and music composers around the world. Round table celebrating the Italian
Western movies.

Panelists:

Giulia D’Agnolo Vallan, co-curator
Jim Hoberman, film critic
Dave Kehr, film critic
Bill Lustig, director and producer
Tony Musante, actor

Film Forum NYC, June 1st-21st.

 

RSVP: 212.879.4242 ext. 362




Info

Date: Wednesday, June 06, 2012

Hours: 6 PM

Venue: Italian Cultural Institute of New York, 686 Park Avenue New York

Organized by: Film Forum

In collaboration with: Italian Cultural Institute of New York



Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 05, 2012, 03:29:23 PM
I'm down to go if anyone else wants to come with me


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 05, 2012, 03:39:13 PM
I now see that they're advertising The Big Gundown as the U.S. Premier of the Complete Italian Version. So, I guess that one will be in Italian, but maybe not the others.
Now, after carefully looking over the Film Forum's calendar, I see that the notation "DCP" has been attached to the entry for this film. Any idea what this means? Digital Camera Projection?

I notice some titles have the notation "HD." Here's a list:

The Grand Duel
Hellbenders
A Bullet For the General
Django Kill . . . If You Live, Shoot
Tepepa

Blue Underground has just released/ is about to release these titles on Blu-ray, so it looks suspiciously like Film Forum, for 12.50 a head, is offering to project what are essentially Blu-ray images onto a larger screen. Gee, thanks.

That's not the worst offer they're making, though. If you want to see "Kill And Pray" they'll project that for you from a Betacam source.

It looks like the only safe titles are "The Mercenary" (advertised as a new 35mm print) and OUATITW (which D&D has already pointed out is the recent Film Foundation print).


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 05, 2012, 03:41:54 PM
I'm down to go if anyone else wants to come with me
You can't go on your own?


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 05, 2012, 03:58:38 PM
1) No, I don't go to movies on my own.

2) Since Scorcese's Film Foundation is collaborating on the Film Forum's screening of OUATITW, I just guessed that the version they show may be Scorcese's version. I have no firm knowledge one way or the other.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 05, 2012, 04:06:45 PM
The Film Forum page links to some nice articles about the festival and Spags in general.

For a great history on the politics of Spags, check out the long NY Review of Books article http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2012/jun/01/when-westerns-were-un-american/

 And regarding the prints that will be screened, check out the Wall Street Journal article http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303807404577434560174114798.html (if you are blocked by WSJ's subscriber wall, just Google the title "wrangling spaghetti westerns on the archival plains"; when you Google it, you will usually be able to view the article free).

According to this article, they actually tracked down archival prints of these movies, which in some cases are Italian with English subtitles. Seems like the programmer is really dedicated. I guess this article brings good news for those of you concerned about the screenings' purity :)


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 05, 2012, 04:09:44 PM
1) No, I don't go to movies on my own.

It's not a movie, it's just a panel discussion.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 05, 2012, 04:10:58 PM
It's not a movie, it's just a panel discussion.

I don't go to any events on my own, to be more specific (or more general, depending on how you wanna look at it  ;))


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 05, 2012, 04:13:17 PM
for anyone who goes to any of these screenings/panel discussions: here may be a good chance to recruit Spag fans to these boards! Make some cards with the website printed on it and give 'em out to serious people  ;)


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 05, 2012, 04:16:27 PM
The Film Forum page links to some nice articles about the festival and Spags in general. In particular, check out the Wall Street Journal article http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303807404577434560174114798.html (if you are blocked by WSJ's subscriber wall, just Google the title "wrangling spaghetti westerns on the archival plains"; when you Google it, you will usually be able to view the article free).

No, you get the opening paragraph, then a come-on to subscribe. Why don't you help us all out by cut-and-pasting the article into this thread?


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 05, 2012, 04:20:41 PM
No, you get the opening paragraph, then a come-on to subscribe. Why don't you help us all out by cut-and-pasting the article into this thread?

if you type the words "wrangling spaghetti westerns from the archival plains," a version should come up on Google with an "article free pass." (I know every trick about WSJ articles cuz I subscribed there for 6 years, till recently). But for you lazy folk, I'll copy and paste it.


WSJ May 30, 2012 By BRUCE BENNETT

Actor Tony Musante recently described the making of Sergio Corbucci's 1968 Spaghetti Western "The Mercenary" as a series of revelations and discoveries—beginning with the 11th-hour announcement that the film was to be shot entirely in Spain rather than in Rome, where Mr. Musante and his wife had already rented an apartment. Never mind that the story took place in Mexico.

Forty-four years later, simply tracking down a usable print of a film like "The Mercenary" involves a similar element of international intrigue. So when Film Forum repertory programmer Bruce Goldstein began assembling an entire season of vintage Spaghetti Westerns for an upcoming program, he knew he was embarking on an adventure.


"This was the most difficult series I've ever put together," Mr. Goldstein said of "Spaghetti Westerns," Film Forum's three-week survey of the genre that will present 26 entries beginning Friday.

For the man who has programmed Film Forum's consistently hard-to-find, out-of-print, and otherwise esoteric offerings for the past 25 years, that's really saying something. In an effort to prepare a season of Italian Westerns—some renowned, others recondite—he compared notes with other vintage-film exhibitors. A preliminary discussion with the British Film Institute proved especially instructive.
"I asked them if they ever tried [programming] Spaghetti Westerns," he said. "They said, 'Yes, but we failed.'"

That such a failure was even possible for one of the world's leading film archives is a testament to the unique challenges of assembling a program of Italian-produced and internationally financed, cast and distributed low-budget films. Just like in the spaghetti west, the world of film exhibition is about the dollars, or at least the bottom line. Prints are often scarce, and even when they can be found, shipping costs can be prohibitive.

According to series co-programmer Giulia D'Agnolo Vallan, the worldwide search for presentable examples of the uniquely violent and kinetic genre yielded "prints coming from Italy, Germany, a collector in New Jersey and some American filmmakers."

The quality of some of the prints made the usual archival detective work of vintage-film exhibition doubly challenging. "We not only had issues with prints not being stored properly and the negatives not being protected, but the actual stock is not very good to begin with."
 
While Spaghetti Westerns were dismissed by many contemporaneous American critics and old-guard Hollywood filmmakers as being, in Ms. Vallan's words, "extreme and flamboyant and potentially offensive," they were, and have remained, beloved in Italy. So much so that many of the prints in Film Forum's survey were found alongside the work of Federico Fellini and Luchino Visconti in Italy's national film archive, CSC-Cineteca Nazionale.
 
"Our major partner in this is the Cineteca," Mr. Goldstein said.

There was, of course, a language barrier to get over. Into the 1980s, Italian films were post-dubbed, even in their own language—a fact Mr. Musante discovered on the "The Mercenary" set where, unlike on American sets, assistants didn't call for quiet and technicians and set visitors spoke aloud during takes.

"I had no idea that at the time the Italians didn't record direct sound," he said. "Six months after we wrapped shooting, I was in a dubbing studio in New York, re-recording my part."

Depending on which country a print was bound for, a Spaghetti Western could be re-voiced in any number of languages. "In Italy the first language they would dub would be English," said filmmaker William Lustig, whose home-video imprint Blue Underground contributed to Film Forum's series. "Then they would do French, Italian, German, Spanish. They called it 'the F.I.G.S.'"

Even for the domestic Italian prints, Film Forum had to factor in the cost of custom computer-generated subtitling. "For the Italian prints we have a technician actually in the [projection] booth with a laptop from opening to close monitoring the screening," Mr. Goldstein said.

For many of the more obscure titles in the series, ownership has changed hands, lapsed, or reverted into a bewildering mass of credits. In the 1980s, en route to near bankruptcy and eventual privatization, the Italian national film studio Cinecittà was, Ms. Vallan said, "falling apart when Italian Westerns were in their main era." With no clear future in sight and home video and cable still a decade away, "it was very much about individual producers and short-term alliances in between countries," she said.

Navigating the maze of ownership copyrights necessary to screen any commercially produced film proved to be one of the retrospective's biggest hurdles. "It's a particularly convoluted world that we've had to penetrate," Ms. Vallan said. "With some films, the original copyrights have expired or have not been renewed for theatrical [presentation]."

Mr. Goldstein homed in on 1968's "The Great Silence," Corbucci's spectacularly downbeat clash between Mormons and bounty hunters, as an example of the scavenging necessary to produce the series.

"Let me tell you the provenance of that," he said of a film boasting lead actors of French, German and American origin and locations in north Italy. "We're borrowing a print from Cineteca that's got German and English subtitles, a German [exhibition rights] license, and was filmed in the Dolomites."

A version of this article appeared May 30, 2012, on page A15 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Lassoing Westerns In Archival Plains.



Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 05, 2012, 04:32:15 PM
So now we know that The Great Silence will be a print with English and German subtitles.

I wish they would tell us which ones are the Italian prints. Archival prints can be in very bad shape.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 05, 2012, 04:37:55 PM
dj, it looks like some of your dreams will be realized. the final sentences of the final article linked to on the Film Forum page from (GreenCine Daily http://daily.greencine.com/archives/008257.html ):

"The digital projections of Django and The Big Gundown are among the better shown there so far, but many films are on 35mm, a last-chance-to-see for New Yorkers. Dig in."


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 05, 2012, 04:43:31 PM
Archival prints can be in very bad shape.

I don't know jack about film, but I am reasonably confident in saying  that a) the Film Forum is not gonna restore the archive films just for this festival; and b) in general, you may have to choose between sacrificing 35mm authenticity or the better digital images. You can't expect archival prints to look as sharp as digital ones, even if the film does look more authentic for the hardcore fan.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 05, 2012, 04:52:18 PM
I don't know jack about film, but I am reasonably confident in saying  that a) the Film Forum is not gonna restore the archive films just for this festival
Where does it say that any of these were restored? We know that OUATITW has been restored, but none of the others. The digital ones have presumably been tweeked on telecine, but as I said, why spend 12.50 to watch what is essentially a projection of a Blu-ray that you can buy for 16 dollars?

I guess I'd be willing to take a chance on some of the archival film showings if I knew for sure they were in Italian with subs.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: moviesceleton on June 05, 2012, 10:09:55 PM
Now, after carefully looking over the Film Forum's calendar, I see that the notation "DCP" has been attached to the entry for this film. Any idea what this means? Digital Camera Projection?
Digital Cinema Package, the new standard in digital cinema. In other words, most likely a 2K projection.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 06, 2012, 12:12:27 AM
Why would someone ever pay significantly more to see a movie in theaters (I think it's $13 in Manhattan now) than at home? Cuz you get the "theater experience" with big screen with surround sound etc. Even if they are merely playing a dvd on a larger screen with big sound, the theater feel always makes a movie much more enjoyable.

Even though The Film Forum's screen is supposed to be small,  I am sure it will be a considerable upgrade over my 32" tv at home. So the only question for me is whether the sound is good. If it has a good theater sound, it'll be just fine. If it doesn't have the nice, booming theater sound, then it's not worth it. (Like the theater at Lincoln Center where we saw OUATIA; the sound was so low I could hardly hear the movie!)


Now, you add to that the fact that many of these are "cult movies" and there is a good chance that the theater will have a lot of hardcore enthusiasts like us, and we may never get another chance like this. I think it's worth dropping $12.50 once just to see how it is and then decide if I wanna attend more screenings. (If you are concerned about what prints they will show, why not call the theater and see if you can reach someone who can give you an answer to your questions).


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 06, 2012, 12:19:17 AM
Head Down: didn't you go to one of the screenings? Can you tell us as much as possible about the screening and answer some of the questions people have? Like, which movie did you see, how did it look, language/subtitles, screen size and sound, etc.? (Oh, and does the theater smell okay? A bad "old theater smell" makes me sick!)

Grazie!


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: Head Down on June 06, 2012, 07:08:34 AM
I went to see "The Mercenary" the other day, and the print looked really good...it was an English dub,  and it was a cleaned up 35MM I believe.  From what I understand only "The Big Gundown" is in Italian, the rest are in English, and none of them are digital (from what I've read).

I also read somewhere that "Face to Face" looked a little rough, and that the programmer at Film Forum called this "the most difficult retrospective I've ever put together" due to the shape some of the films are in (quoted above, actually...just realized that).

In terms of paying to see films you already own, I understand that argument completely.  However, in this case, i find it easier to ignore - I just hope I can get over there again!


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 06, 2012, 08:06:42 AM
I went to see "The Mercenary" the other day, and the print looked really good...it was an English dub,  and it was a cleaned up 35MM I believe.  From what I understand only "The Big Gundown" is in Italian, the rest are in English, and none of them are digital (from what I've read).

This is not what Film Forum's calendar says. TBG is DCP; the titles supplied by Blu Underground are projected from an HD source.

Good to hear that The Mercenary looks good. Since its a newly struck 35mm print that may be one of the ones to see.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 06, 2012, 10:06:04 AM
Digital Cinema Package, the new standard in digital cinema. In other words, most likely a 2K projection.
Yet when I go to the cineplex, they usually advertise 4K projection.

I assume that 2K is roughly twice the pixels as 1080?


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: moviesceleton on June 06, 2012, 10:25:22 AM
Yet when I go to the cineplex, they usually advertise 4K projection.

I assume that 2K is roughly twice the pixels as 1080?
I meant that the films in question are probably presented in 2K. DCP can be either 2K or 4K.

"2K" has 2048x1080 pixels at the most, depending on the aspect ration. HD has 1920x1080 pixels. So the difference in terms of pixels is quite minimal, but DCP has a better compression i.e. higher data rate.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 07, 2012, 02:40:30 AM
ok I definitely want to go to an evening showing today (Thursday June 7), so it comes down to either
FAFDM at 9:45 PM, or
THE PRICE OF POWER at 7:45 PM (which inclues book signing with Alex Cox).

I'd prefer to see FAFDM but if someone wants to come with me, I'll be glad to see whatever he does. Please lemme know ASAP if u r interested in going to a screening tonite!  :)


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 08, 2012, 10:54:40 AM
ok I definitely want to go to an evening showing today (Thursday June 7
Did you go?


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 08, 2012, 03:05:36 PM
No,

either I, or all of my friends, are losers!


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 11, 2012, 10:20:54 AM
Now that school's out and I have some free time, I might go to some of these. My dilemna: if I see more than a few, I might as well buy a FilmForum membership. To make a membership pay, you need to see at least 15 films a year. If I can watch about half that number during the SW program, there's a pretty good chance I'll get to the other half over the course of the year (after the summer months, I generally get to Manhattan about once a month).

So this is kind of what I'm thinking as per the schedule:

6/13 The Big Gundown

6/17 The Price of Power
        Once Upon a Time in the West
        The Ruthless Four

6/19 The Mercenary

6/21 GBU
        Death Rides a Horse

It's nice to be able to group my shots, as that allows me to dollar cost average my transportation in and out of the city.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: Groggy on June 11, 2012, 05:35:13 PM
Looks like an awesome lineup. O0


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 14, 2012, 10:07:42 AM
6/13 The Big Gundown
I went and thoroughly enjoyed myself.

The DCP projection looked really good, with a crisp image and vibrant colors. Flesh tones were correct. The only thing--apparently the Italians like to DNR their digital images to death, because there was no grain in the image whatsoever (although, I was sitting quite far in the back, so maybe there was some and I just couldn't see it). From where I was sitting, though, good image that it was, it did not seem film-like. This didn't bother me, however; nor did it seem to bother my fellow audience members. Man, was the theater packed! (and for a 4:40 p.m. showing--don't people have jobs anymore?).

The sound was through the standard art-house tinny-sounding speakers (D&D, you would have hated it). The subtitles were easy to read--they looked like the kinds of titles you get on Blu-rays. I'm guessing there's a really good Italian BD release of this already out or soon to be on its way.

Bottom line: this was the most fun I've ever had watching this title.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 14, 2012, 02:00:07 PM


The sound was through the standard art-house tinny-sounding speakers (D&D, you would have hated it).

Was the volume lower than OUATIA at Lincoln Center?


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 14, 2012, 02:13:49 PM
I didn't have any problem with the volume at the Walter Reade. That is, I took no notice of it at all, so it must have seemed fine to me. At the Film Forum screening yesterday, I definitely noticed that the sound was sub-par.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: cigar joe on June 14, 2012, 03:10:23 PM
I went and thoroughly enjoyed myself.

The DCP projection looked really good, with a crisp image and vibrant colors. Flesh tones were correct. The only thing--apparently the Italians like to DNR their digital images to death, because there was no grain in the image whatsoever (although, I was sitting quite far in the back, so maybe there was some and I just couldn't see it). From where I was sitting, though, good image that it was, it did not seem film-like. This didn't bother me, however; nor did it seem to bother my fellow audience members. Man, was the theater packed! (and for a 4:40 p.m. showing--don't people have jobs anymore?).

The sound was through the standard art-house tinny-sounding speakers (D&D, you would have hated it). The subtitles were easy to read--they looked like the kinds of titles you get on Blu-rays. I'm guessing there's a really good Italian BD release of this already out or soon to be on its way.

Bottom line: this was the most fun I've ever had watching this title.


Cool  O0


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 21, 2012, 09:40:43 AM
6/17 The Price of Power
        Once Upon a Time in the West
        The Ruthless Four
In the event, I didn't go Sunday, but went yesterday instead (so just saw OUATITW and Ruthless 4). That turned out to be a pretty good choice as yesterday was hot as, well, blazes. Sitting in an airconditioned theater for 5 hours during the heat of the day was a good call.

Seeing OUATITW with an audience is an interesting experience. Unhappily, at Film Forum, if you sit up near the front (where there is no incline) you get the hair of the head of the guy in front of you in your line-of-sight. However, most of the screen remained visible. The audience reaction was interesting at different points--"They call them millions" got the biggest laugh. The fuckwits in the projection room screwed up the final reel change, and we had to watch clear leader for a minute. It was the Scorcese cut, and the print looked pretty good. I now realize I prefer the image they've produced for home video--details on DVD and Blu-ray are clearer, no doubt due to contrast boosting.

Ruthless 4 turns out to be a pretty bad film, but there's a lot of unintentional humor in it so it was entertaining in parts. It's basically a Spaghetti version of Treasure of the Sierra Madre. It's weird seeing both Van Heflin and Gilbert Roland in an SW--their Italian, though, is impeccable. Things are rather dull until Kinski shows up--in a priest's dog collar!--saunters up to the bar and orders a glass of milk. The soundtrack is really weird: a bolero plays when they're doing things like crossing the Almerian "desert" or making their way through one of the "dangerous" Almerian quarries. But at other times the director likes to hit us with stings, whether the scene requires them or not. I've never seen a film with more stings. Heflin offers Roland a cup of coffee--sting! Kinski twitches--sting! At times you think you're watching a parody of an SW. This helps alibi the ineptly staged action sequences. But after Kinski--and the gay sub-text--leaves the picture, everything becomes predictalbe and boring. This is not a film I'll be rewatching.

There were a few broads in the audience for these but mostly it was a stag event.

Final day of the program today: I'll be going back for GBU and DRAH!


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: titoli on June 21, 2012, 04:31:56 PM
"THE GREATEST GENRE EVER!"  J. Hoberman, Film Comment

Uh?


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 22, 2012, 08:50:14 AM
Hoberman is an ass.

Yesterday was the hottest day of the year and i was glad to be in the air-conditioned confines of Film Forum. Lots of other folks had the same idea--the GBU showing was a near sell-out. I enjoyed seeing the film projected for the first time. In fact, I was really struck by how good the image was. Sure, it was the 2003 restoration, but how was it that such a good looking print got struck and survived in such good condition until now? Of course, it turns out it wasn't a print at all--it was a DCP projection. Now I know: comparing this with the excellent print of OUATITW I saw the day before, I clearly prefer a good digital presentation to film. The sound was better too.

There were fewer people on hand for DRAH, which was in English, in a faded print that was totally beat to shit (especially on either side of the reel changes). I didn't enjoy the presentation much, but I couldn't decide if that was the fault of the print or if I just don't care for the movie any more. The showing was preceded by a extremely short intro from Lee Van Cleef's grandson--turns out he's one of the ushers at the Film Forum. All he said was that DRAH was the film his grandfather most enjoyed making. He gave no further details.

Well, so much for the SW program at the Film Forum. That Leone guy made some pretty good films. Those other guys, not so much.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: titoli on June 22, 2012, 03:25:12 PM
Hoberman is an ass.

That Leone guy made some pretty good films. Those other guys, not so much.


That's the people who disqualify the good by exalting the bad and the ugly indiscriminately.

Still, if I remember well, the magazine had a reputation in the '60's and '70's. Times change.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: Groggy on June 24, 2012, 04:12:11 PM
The showing was preceded by a extremely short intro from Lee Van Cleef's grandson--turns out he's one of the ushers at the Film Forum. All he said was that DRAH was the film his grandfather most enjoyed making. He gave no further details.

Wow.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: cigar joe on June 24, 2012, 04:33:14 PM
The showing was preceded by a extremely short intro from Lee Van Cleef's grandson--turns out he's one of the ushers at the Film Forum. All he said was that DRAH was the film his grandfather most enjoyed making. He gave no further details.


I wonder if he has some good stories,  ???


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: sargatanas on June 26, 2012, 04:27:31 AM
I wonder if he has some good stories,  ???
damn straight ! interresting inside stuff   ::)


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: Groggy on August 06, 2012, 06:26:59 AM
Hoberman may be an ass but he did write this interesting piece about Zapata Westerns:

 http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2012/jun/01/when-westerns-were-un-american/  (http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2012/jun/01/when-westerns-were-un-american/)


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: cigar joe on August 07, 2012, 04:00:35 PM
Hoberman may be an ass but he did write this interesting piece about Zapata Westerns:

 http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2012/jun/01/when-westerns-were-un-american/  (http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2012/jun/01/when-westerns-were-un-american/)

Nice


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: dave jenkins on August 08, 2012, 04:08:50 PM
Exceedingly  superficial.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: dave jenkins on August 30, 2012, 08:04:37 AM
GBU @ Film Forum for a week beginning yesterday. It's the fab looking DCP presentation I saw in June.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: cigar joe on August 30, 2012, 02:24:17 PM
GBU @ Film Forum for a week beginning yesterday. It's the fab looking DCP presentation I saw in June.

I'm tempted  ^-^


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 30, 2012, 03:16:32 PM
I'm tempted  ^-^

Let's go. I am down for Sunday, Monday, or Tuesday of next week


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: cigar joe on August 30, 2012, 03:38:52 PM
I don't really have enough $$$ for the train. If I lived in the city there would be no question.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 31, 2012, 01:16:10 AM
Yeah the train fares are pretty friggin' ridiculous; that's what happens when there's a government monopoly on transit  >:(


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on September 02, 2012, 03:17:47 PM

I also noticed that Film Forum is showing Citizen Kane and Vertigo later this month. I'm particularly interested in the latter, with the new Sight & Sound Poll. I'll be visiting the Film Forum for the first time tonight, to see GBU, so I'll be able to decide whether or not this theater makes it worthwhile to spend the $12.50 on movies that I could see at home for free.

I am also potentially interested in this 3-hour conversation with Billy Wilder http://www.filmforum.org/movies/more/billy_how_did_you_do_it showing at 1:00 PM on Sunday September 23rd. (I believe I have seen the shortened version). Wilder is one of my all-time favorite filmmakers -- and he was as great an interviewee as he was a director -- so I'm interested in seeing this. If anyone is interested in going to any of these screenings, lemme know  O0



Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: Novecento on September 03, 2012, 09:52:19 AM
I  might go see this for the first time:

http://www.filmforum.org/movies/more/investigation_of_a_citizen_abo


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on September 03, 2012, 01:22:14 PM
I  might go see this for the first time:

http://www.filmforum.org/movies/more/investigation_of_a_citizen_abo

 I've actually been looking for that movie for a while, (Netflix doesn't have it). I may attend a showing.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on September 03, 2012, 02:49:29 PM
so I visited The Film Forum last night for the first time, to see GBU. (About 40 people were in attendance for the Sunday night showing).

RE: the theater: dj's description of the theater was correct: the seats are basically flat on the floor, no stadium seating; and the volume is rather low. Sit too close and you'd have to crane your neck to see the screen; sit too far back, and you can't hear much. I sat about 8 rows from the back, and it was decent enough. The sound is definitely low; I really like when a theater has a BOOMING sound system. But it is what it is and that's that. (A more eloquent sentence never hath been spoken).

Anyway, I enjoyed myself very much. The movie looked beautiful. Unfortunately, they used the Dolby 5.1 audio (is the English mono available in this John Jerk restored version?)

There was a decent crowd there (I'd say about 40-45 people), they seemed to enjoy it, there was one group of girls that kept giggling really loud at all the jokes (was pretty funny actually), I went over to the loudest giggler afterward and invited her to join the SLWB  ;)

I am sure glad I've discovered this theater, they have an awesome lineup of movies in the coming weeks and months. I've always been dreaming of finding a theater that shows classic movies on the big screen, and now I am glad I finally did. (Maybe one day I'll tell them to crank up the volume  ;)) But I do plan on becoming a frequent guest at The Film Forum. Only problem is that I don't have many friends who are really into classic movies (and I never go to movies alone). If anyone here ever wants to go, please post here (or shoot me a PM or whatever).


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: dave jenkins on September 03, 2012, 03:00:58 PM
I may see you at the Billy Wilder film. If you promise to behave yourself, I''ll agree not to pretend not to know you.

If you're really serious about becoming a regular at FF, you may want a membership. The 75 dollars you pay up front goes down a bit hard, but the 7 dollar ticket price each time makes each filmgoing experience all the more enjoyable. At least, that's the way I've found it.


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on September 03, 2012, 03:35:23 PM
I may see you at the Billy Wilder film. If you promise to behave yourself, I''ll agree not to pretend not to know you.

If you're really serious about becoming a regular at FF, you may want a membership. The 75 dollars you pay up front goes down a bit hard, but the 7 dollar ticket price each time makes each filmgoing experience all the more enjoyable. At least, that's the way I've found it.


I'm actually not really sure if I am gonna go to the Wilder interview: I mentioned how much I love Wilder and how awesome an interviewee he was, but there is only one screening, (at 1 PM on Sunday 9/23. Luckily, the Giants are not playing that day, but) there will still be lots of other football to watch. So, watch football at home all day for free? Or pay to watch a 3-hour interview in a theater?  I am sure it will eventually be released on dvd, and I don't see much advantage in watching an interview in a theater over a tv screen at home.
I really hate whenever there's only one showing  >:(  It'll be a last-minute decision for me, but I don't think I'll go to that screening; if they add screenings, I will consider going.

btw, I hope y'all check out the extra features dvd of the Criterion edition of Ace in the Hole. There is an AMAZING selection of interviews with Wilder (and I am not sure, but one of them may be the shortened version of this one that will be screening).

The Film Forum membership is worthwhile if one goes to at least 14 movies a year.

So if I find myself going frequently over the next few weeks, then I'll think about purchasing the membership.



Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on September 09, 2012, 03:46:56 AM
The newest "greatest movie of all time" Vertigo  is playing at Film Forum from Wednesday 9/12 thru Tuesday 9/18 http://www.filmforum.org/movies/more/vertigo1

 I hope to go on Wednesday or Thursday


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on September 13, 2012, 10:22:16 PM
I saw Vertigo at The Film Forum on Thursday afternoon;  I will discuss the theater itself in this post;( my comments on the movie are in Vertigo's thread http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=11406.msg159428#msg159428 )


I counted about 28 people in the theater for a 3:50 PM showing on a Thursday afternoon; I'd say about 2/3 were senior citizens.

The picture and sound were both great (when I saw GBU, the sound was very low, but it was just fine by Vertigo -- and I saw both movies in the same room of the Film Forum;  don't know if it's due to the particular movie or if Film Forum just cranked up the volume yesterday).


--------------

Also, I discovered a theater a few blocks away from Film Forum called IFC Center http://www.ifccenter.com/ (directly across the street from the famous basketball courts on West 4th Street & 6th Ave), it looks like it's sort of similar to Film Forum, showing independent and classic movies. I guess I'll check it out sometime if I see something interesting. Has anyone ever been to IFC Center? What's it like? How does it compare to Film Forum?



Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 25, 2012, 08:38:10 PM
Film Forum will be showing Django during the last week of 2012, from December 21 - December 27.  It's a ways off, but Film Forum just posted it so I figured I would as well   http://www.filmforum.org/movies/more/django1



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Post by: cigar joe on October 25, 2012, 09:40:27 PM
Film Forum will be showing Django during the last week of 2012, from December 21 - December 27.  It's a ways off, but Film Forum just posted it so I figured I would as well   http://www.filmforum.org/movies/more/django1


you'll hate it  ;D


Title: Re: LEONE'S & other SPAGHETTI WESTERNS playing throughout JUNE 2012 in New York!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 26, 2012, 12:04:52 AM
you'll hate it  ;D

I actually saw it already  ;)

However, I am very interested to know why you thought I would hate it. So please -- forget that I told you I'd already seen it, and -- provide an extensive explanation as to why you believe I would hate the movie; I'm actually intrigued here....


---

For the record, what was your personal opinion of the movie?

For the record, Part II: just in case you are wondering: I did NOT hate it  :P
The English dubbing on the dvd was atrocious and harms the movie greatly (next time, I will use Italian audio and English subtitles; I hope that's how Film Forum shows it; I can call them closer to the event and find out).

If I can try to forget the dubbing and just rate the movie, it was outrageous like I expect from SW's. It's definitely not on a level of eg. The Mercenary, but I did not HATE it either...I just found the post I made immediately after I saw Django; here it is http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=598.msg154951#msg154951 (I didn't give a rating, just wrote a bit about the movie was insanely outrageously over the top, exactly what I'd come to expect from SW's  ;))

(For the rest of this post, the term "SW" will refer to "non-Leone SW's").

I've only seen about 5 SW's: Django, Death Rides a Horse, A Man Called Sledge, The Mercenary, and The Big Gundown Generally, I have to describe SW's as simply 'OUTLANDISH." as crazy and outlandish as crazy/outlandish can possibly get. And far, far more outlandish than Leone's Westerns. t's just an objective fact is that the style of some of these SW's are incomparable to anything else. And I am not saying it in an good way nor in a bad way; my point really is that it's so hard to rate SW's in the way that i rate other movies, cuz it's just like a whole different thing for me; it's like comparing apples to oranges.

 When watching these SW's, I imagine that I feel like  somebody who spends his life watching regular movies involving humans, and then suddenly for the first time, he is informed of the existence of animation, and is suddenly given animated movies to watch: it's like a whole different realm that he has nothing to compare it to; he basically can only compare a cartoon to other cartoons, cuz there's no frame of reference to compare it to anything else. These SW people are basically like cartoon characters!

I guess that as i watch more SW's, I'll be able to compare them to other movies more and more. For now, I just laugh all the way through and don't know exactly what to make of it. But there's plenty to enjoy. Good times  :)


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 26, 2012, 05:22:47 AM
FYI: I initially started this thread a few months ago to discuss a SW film festival at Film Forum, but even though that festival has come and gone long ago, this thread has stayed alive as a place to announce upcoming screenings of classic movies -- and to discuss them afterward, of course!

However, the old title of this thread, which was "LEONE'S & OTHER SW'S PLAYING THROUGHOUT JUNE 2012 IN NEW YORK!" is a bit outdated now, so, with the agreement of cj, I am changing the title of the thread to "upcoming screenings of classic movies!"

Please share any info here about any screenings/festivals of classic movies in your area, and if you attend any of these showings, chat about 'em here  :)


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 16, 2012, 05:21:29 AM
Film Forum is showing Jean-Pierre Trintignant movies all week http://www.filmforum.org/movies/more/trintignant#nowplaying

I haven't  seen any of these movies (and never heard of Trintignant till just now!) but since I have recently been getting into classic French films and I see Film Forum is playing some this week, I may want to check some of these out.

I want to go on Monday to the 9:30 PM showing of My Night at Maud's, and/or to any of the movies that are playing on Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday.

 If anyone is interested in going as a group, you can respond here or PM me


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on December 16, 2012, 10:13:50 AM
I'm interested in the stuff that isn't readily available on home video (the Robbe-Grillrt films on Tuesday, for example), but doubt I'll be able to get into the city for them. Busy week.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: cigar joe on December 16, 2012, 04:05:57 PM
Film Forum is showing Jean-Pierre Trintignant movies all week http://www.filmforum.org/movies/more/trintignant#nowplaying

I haven't  seen any of these movies (and never heard of Trintignant till just now!) but since I have recently been getting into classic French films and I see Film Forum is playing some this week, I may want to check some of these out.

I want to go on Monday to the 9:30 PM showing of My Night at Maud's, and/or to any of the movies that are playing on Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday.

 If anyone is interested in going as a group, you can respond here or PM me

Well you should have gone to see The Great Silence  :'(


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: Groggy on December 17, 2012, 07:18:58 AM
You missed Z also. Shame on you drink.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 17, 2012, 07:29:26 AM
what for? I don't drink beer, only fine wine


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: Groggy on December 17, 2012, 07:55:46 AM
Z is not beer.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: stanton on December 17, 2012, 09:40:11 AM
That's debatable too ...


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: Groggy on December 17, 2012, 10:06:37 AM
It's quite possible Drink would find Z commie propaganda but that's his loss.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: stanton on December 17, 2012, 12:11:33 PM
Most likely, yes ... ;)


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 17, 2012, 01:42:28 PM
 ;D I take it as a given that  all European movie of the 60's will be Commie propaganda.  (and half of all other movies too)  ;)


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 05, 2013, 07:29:51 PM
The French film Amour (2012), which won the Palme d'Or at Cannes and today was named Best Film of 2012 by the National Society of Film Critics, is playing at Film Forum now, through January 22nd, 2013 http://filmforum.com/movies/more/amour

I haven't seen it yet but hope to soon


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 09, 2013, 09:12:27 AM
I just saw Amour at Film Forum.

Lemme give you some advice if you are going to see this movie here: get there early, and be sure to have a seat not too far back.

The subtitles on this movie are the smallest I have ever seen anywhere; as the movie was nearly sold out, and my 2 friends got there just before it began, the only place we could find 3 open seats in a row was in the last row. (Besides, this was Auditorium 2, which [it seemed] this was one of the longer theaters, so being the back row made us VERY far back]). We were squinting the entire time to see the tiny subtitles, it was awful.

So, if you go to see this movie at Film Forum -- and with all due respect to the juries at Cannes, and the Nat'l Society of Film Critics, I recommend you don't bother watching it at all, in any theater under any conditions -- be sure to get there early and not be too far back


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on January 09, 2013, 11:19:00 AM
The best response to Amour I've seen is on the criterionforum board, by a poster called "Grand Illusion." His SPOILER-heavy analysis is spot on:
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The moment the husband grabs a pillow, I knew the film was about to lose me. When he smothers his wife, Haneke greatly oversteps his bounds and remystifies dying.

Amour sets up certain rules of being uncinematic in its portrayal of dying. Then it gives us an extremely cinematic way of killing someone. The pillow smother is something out of a gangster film. The person being smothered kicks and squirms, until motion is no more. It's very visual.

First, there's the technical problem. A pillow smother is almost impossible to do, since people can often breathe through fabric. But even if successful, once the body ceases motion, that does not mean that the person is dead. Due to lack of oxygen, the person could've slipped into shock or coma. Smothering by pillow is a movie trope. It's not a reliable way to off someone. And I feel this is important due to how close Haneke wants to play with realism.

But worse than the actual mechanics of a smothering by pillow, the move completely derails the film's raison d'etre. The film works for over 100 minutes to demystify dying and beautifully so. Yet the pillow smother begins the process by which Haneke re-mythologizes dying.

Cache works allegorically and terrifyingly as myth. The White Ribbon works epically as myth. Amour does not work as myth. Simply compare how they're shot.

At one point, the daughter character asks the husband, "What happens next?"

To which he answers, (paraphrasing), "The same thing that's been happening, until it stops."

It's a graceful and simple way to say how people actually die of old age in the real world. And it would've made a heart-breaking end to this tale.

Yet Haneke fires this film out of the real world as if from a cannon. Because in the real world, barely a single person dies by pillow smother. Even if the film wanted to finalize the process of dying by euthanasia, that could work. But it must work in the same way that the rest of the film does. By taking the ordinary and demystifying it.

Now, you may wonder why I am against un-realism. I am not. But a film is a success when it plays by its own rules. Haneke breaking his docudrama rules to spill over into melodrama is refusing to play by the rules that he set up. Imagine Denzel Washington in Training Day suddenly breaking into a bullet-time Matrix dodge. It just doesn't work within the rules of the film.

And a couple more missteps show that Haneke's intention is, against the will of the film itself, to mythologize the story. Because right after the husband euthanizes his wife, Haneke brings back the metaphorical bird in the house. On its own, this is fine, but Haneke continues to pile on.

Next Haneke begins filming the man's ritual (implied) suicide. The film becomes much like The Seventh Continent, as that family prepares for their demise. Again, this is not how most people deal with living or dying, and, as such, feels very counter to the objectives of the first 100 minutes of the film.

And then Haneke again egregiously oversteps by having the husband see his wife and leave the home with her spirit/memory. My own philosophical objections to this scene aside, the person who rejoins their lover's spirit/memory is just cinematic cliche at this point. And it plays that way.

There is a naturalism established early by the film, and it deserves much better than the movie cliches we are given at the end. Unfortunately, the greatest love is ultimately Haneke's love for myth-making, and it just doesn't fit here.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 09, 2013, 05:05:43 PM
Also, the movie is way too graphic in showing all the care required for the old woman.

We all know that sadly, as people get older, they sometimes require help when  showering, getting off the toilet, being diapered, changed, etc. But you don't have to show all that. Seriously. Showing a little bit, and discussing/implying the rest is fine. But extensive graphic scemes (like showing a nurse scrubbing a naked 85-year old woman in the shower, or showing her husband helping her off the toilet with her undies at her knees), is just vomit-inducing. We get the point, and don't need to be hit on the head with it again and again. We understand the difficulties for all parties involved -- in this case, both the wife and husband, or nurses, etc. Once we understand that, it needn't be necessary to show it in more and more detail. And if your response is, "No, you have to feel it, we need ultra-realism, etc. and must show all the intricate details, then why not show the husband wiping her ass too?

 It's not easy to enjoy Film Forum's great popcorn and oatmeal cookies while watching Emmanuelle Riva get a sponge bath.

(I must have asked for this ten times already, but we REALLY need a vomiting icon here).


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: Groggy on January 10, 2013, 06:20:44 AM
But wouldn't that be too graphic, Drink?


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 15, 2013, 02:37:55 AM
Wednesday, March 20 -- Thursday, March 28, 2013

IFC Center on 6th Ave & West 3rd St. in Manhattan will be showing all of Stanley Kubrick's feature films


http://www.ifccenter.com/series/the-films-of-stanley-kubrick/


In anticipation of the release of ROOM 237 on March 29, we’re thrilled to present a retrospective of all 13 of Stanley Kubrick’s feature films, plus A.I. ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE, a longtime Kubrick project realized by Steven Spielberg. One of cinema’s great masters, Kubrick brought his trademark stylistic rigor, technical innovation and devilish wit to nearly every genre: war film (PATHS OF GLORY, FULL METAL JACKET), historical epic (SPARTACUS, BARRY LYNDON), black comedy (DR. STRANGELOVE), science fiction (2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY), film noir (THE KILLING), marital drama (EYES WIDE SHUT) and more. Rediscover these timeless classics on the big screen, in 35mm prints and digital restorations.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 29, 2013, 02:20:09 PM
I will be at the 7:10 PM screening of Un Flic tomorrow night at Film Forum


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on April 29, 2013, 03:20:54 PM
OK, but you're certain to be disappointed. It's not a very good film.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 15, 2013, 01:42:21 AM
http://news.turner.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=6456

TCM Classic Film Tour, a three-hour bus tour of classic film locations in New York City, beginning August 22, 2013.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on September 23, 2013, 10:07:18 PM
TODAY, TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 24, is Film Forum's last day showing The Killing – 1:00 PM, 4:40 PM, and 8:20 PM
http://www.filmforum.org/movies/more/the_killing


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 16, 2014, 07:25:33 PM
I am in the lobby of the Regal theater in Union Square now (waiting to see LONE SURVIVOR), I see a sign here that they have a classic movie series, beginning Feb. 23, showing films including ON THE WATERFRONT, REAR WINDOW, CHICAGO, THE GRAPES OF WRATH, THE SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION, and THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS. tixx available at the theater box office or at REGmovies.com




Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 17, 2014, 05:06:28 PM
It's quite possible Drink would find Z commie propaganda but that's his loss.

funny, I was looking through this thread now.... and it just so happens that I recently saw Z on TCM. I did think it was Commie propaganda, and I shut it off early, but I wasn't enjoying the movie very much. If it's good propaganda, I don't mind seeing it.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: Cusser on March 05, 2014, 11:22:24 AM
Some spaghettis on Turner Classic Thursday evening.  Included are FDM, Death Rides a Horse, Five Man Army, Mercenary.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 05, 2014, 03:03:48 PM
Some spaghettis on Turner Classic Thursday evening.  Included are FDM, Death Rides a Horse, Five Man Army, Mercenary.

yeah, I saw that. I have my dvr set  O0

FYI - we've been using this thread for announcing movie theater showings of classic films; to announce TCM showings, use this thread http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=6606.0  ;)


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 30, 2014, 02:56:24 AM
From Dec. 12 - Dec. 24, 2014, Film Forum will be running a series of movies from noir writers, entitled "CHANDLER, HAMMETT, WOOLRICH, & CAIN."

Here is the page http://filmforum.org/series/chandler-hammett-woolrich-cain-series-page


CHANDLER, HAMMETT, WOOLRICH, & CAIN

Friday, December 12 - Thursday, December 24


In the 1920s and 30s, a group of pulp novelists led by DASHIELL HAMMETT (1894-1961), RAYMOND CHANDLER (1888-1959), CORNELL WOOLRICH (1903-1968), and JAMES M. CAIN (1892-1977) forged a new style of American prose: terse and harshly realistic, with bitingly colloquial dialogue, their worlds peopled with tough private eyes, two-timing spouses, strong-arming goons, shifty politicos, and dangerous blondes. Their distinctive milieu provided the jumping-off point for one of Hollywood’s most durable genres: Film Noir.

Special thanks to Nicole Woods, Kristie Nakamura (Warner Bros.), Paul Ginsburg (Universal), Todd Wiener, Steven Hill (UCLA Film Archive), Eddie Muller (The Film Noir Foundation), Mark McElhattan (Sikelia Productions), Anne Morra, Mary Keene (Museum of Modern Art), Daniel Bish (George Eastman House), Chris Chouinard, Nick Varley (Park Circus), and Jake Perlin (The Film Desk).

Two new books, The World of Raymond Chandler: In His Own Words, edited by Barry Day (published by Knopf), and Dashiell Hammett and the Movies by William Mooney (published by Rutgers University Press), will be on sale at our concession during the festival.


Many of the movies will be 2-for-1 deals, and many movies will only be shown for one day.

CJ and DJ, you in?



Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 30, 2014, 02:57:36 AM
From Dec. 12 - Dec. 24, 2014, Film Forum will be running a series of noirs, entitled "CHANDLER, HAMMETT, WOOLRICH, & CAIN." Here is the page http://filmforum.org/series/chandler-hammett-woolrich-cain-series-page


I know DJ only likes to see movies that are unavailable on DVD/BRD ... So I am looking through this list, to see if there is anything that I think may interest you, and I see three intriguing options:

A) This  2-for-1 deal http://filmforum.org/film/city-streets-street-of-chancechandler-double-film
 I am not sure if either movie has had a normal DVD release. On Amazon:
City Streets (1931) has one person offering a DVD for sale http://goo.gl/4Um1vo
Street of Chance (1942) is being offered for sale by a seller for more than a hundred dollars http://goo.gl/fiuegh
(I assume these are bootlegs, or maybe it's a public-domain movie and these are cheap copies?)

Funny thing is, it says this particular 2-for -1 deal is playing on "Wednesday, December 18th" - only problem is that Dec. 18 is a Thursday  ;D so I assume it's either playing on Wed. Dec. 17th or Thurs. Dec. 18

[UPDATE: Film Forum has corrected the date: It's Thursday, Dec. 18]

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B) Tuesday, Dec. 16th, there is a 2-for-1 deal on Phantom Lady (1944) and Black Angel (1946) http://filmforum.org/film/phantom-lady-black-angel-chandler-double-film
Both are available on DVD but I haven't seen either one.

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C) Ossessionne (1943) is having a single showing: Monday, Dec. 15 at 7:20 PM. In 35 mm. I've seen that movie, but it's only available (at least in America) on a badly damaged DVD; perhaps Film Forum's  35 mm print is a good one?


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on October 30, 2014, 06:44:44 AM
C) Ossessionne (1943) is having a single showing: Monday, Dec. 15 at 7:20 PM. In 35 mm. I've seen that movie, but it's only available (at least in America) on a badly damaged DVD; perhapsFilm Forum's  35 mm print is a good one?
No way to know, but I'm doubtful.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 30, 2014, 07:15:49 AM
No way to know, but I'm doubtful.


yeah, I assumed that if it was a restored, cleaned-up print, Film Forum would have written that on that movie's page. But they made no mention whatsoever of anything about a restoration, so I agree with you, I doubt this will be anything special. (Maybe that's also the reason why there is only one showing of this movie; cuz the quality is so bad, it's really not worthy of being shown in a theater [heck, it's not even worthy of being shown on home video!], so they figure it's not gonna attract many customers.)


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: cigar joe on October 30, 2014, 08:16:48 AM
From Dec. 12 - Dec. 24, 2014, Film Forum will be running a series of movies from noir writers, entitled "CHANDLER, HAMMETT, WOOLRICH, & CAIN."

Here is the page http://filmforum.org/series/chandler-hammett-woolrich-cain-series-page


CHANDLER, HAMMETT, WOOLRICH, & CAIN

Friday, December 12 - Thursday, December 24


In the 1920s and 30s, a group of pulp novelists led by DASHIELL HAMMETT (1894-1961), RAYMOND CHANDLER (1888-1959), CORNELL WOOLRICH (1903-1968), and JAMES M. CAIN (1892-1977) forged a new style of American prose: terse and harshly realistic, with bitingly colloquial dialogue, their worlds peopled with tough private eyes, two-timing spouses, strong-arming goons, shifty politicos, and dangerous blondes. Their distinctive milieu provided the jumping-off point for one of Hollywood’s most durable genres: Film Noir.

Special thanks to Nicole Woods, Kristie Nakamura (Warner Bros.), Paul Ginsburg (Universal), Todd Wiener, Steven Hill (UCLA Film Archive), Eddie Muller (The Film Noir Foundation), Mark McElhattan (Sikelia Productions), Anne Morra, Mary Keene (Museum of Modern Art), Daniel Bish (George Eastman House), Chris Chouinard, Nick Varley (Park Circus), and Jake Perlin (The Film Desk).

Two new books, The World of Raymond Chandler: In His Own Words, edited by Barry Day (published by Knopf), and Dashiell Hammett and the Movies by William Mooney (published by Rutgers University Press), will be on sale at our concession during the festival.


Many of the movies will be 2-for-1 deals, and many movies will only be shown for one day.

CJ and DJ, you in?



Possibly, but I may be at the Ski Area by then it would have to be a weekday.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 30, 2014, 09:40:19 AM
Possibly, but I may be at the Ski Area by then it would have to be a weekday.

works for me  :)


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on November 01, 2014, 04:19:20 PM
The City Streets/Street of Chance double bill is most attractive to me because I haven't seen either. Now if we can just figure out when it's playing (hopefully it's the 18th as I'm free all day; on the 17th I have to work and I could only go to the night showings).


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on November 02, 2014, 12:50:15 PM
Thurs. at 8:00 p.m. at MoMA--A Fistful of Dollars! From the write-up:
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Italian westerns have a glorious past but a dismal present, having mostly survived as faded, chopped-up prints. We have reason to applaud, then, the new 4K digital restoration of A Fistful of Dollars carried out by the Cineteca di Bologna and Unidis Jolly Film at L'Immagine Ritrovata laboratory, with funding provided by the Hollywood Foreign Press Association and The Film Foundation.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 02, 2014, 03:47:38 PM
Thurs. at 8:00 p.m. at MoMA--A Fistful of Dollars!

I am in! I will PM you to confirm details

and btw, I assume that means a new BRD is coming soon?

p.s. look at the picture on the MoMA page http://www.moma.org/visit/calendar/film_screenings/22247 doesn't it look  all yellow - they're letting us know we are in for an evening of piss!


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on November 02, 2014, 04:21:08 PM
p.s. look at the picture on the MoMA page http://www.moma.org/visit/calendar/film_screenings/22247 doesn't it look  all yellow - they're letting us know we are in for an evening of piss!
Yeah, maybe we should wear yellow raincoats to this?


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 06, 2014, 01:36:23 AM
The City Streets/Street of Chance double bill is most attractive to me because I haven't seen either. Now if we can just figure out when it's playing (hopefully it's the 18th as I'm free all day; on the 17th I have to work and I could only go to the night showings).

Film Forum still hasn't updated the page for this movie to correct the date, so I emailed them (bruce@filmforum.org, filmforum@filmforum.org, and rep@filmforum.org)

Hopefully they'll make the change within a day or two.

Btw, I was searching for these two movies on YouTube, because sometimes a movie – even one that hasn't has a normal DVD release – will be available on YouTube. Well, neither of these two movies are available on YouTube, but I did find:
 -- a video of a the end of Eddie Muller's introduction to Street of Chance at the 2013 Noir City Festival http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmvA3df71Us
-- a few clips of City Streets are available on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=city+streets+1931



Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on November 06, 2014, 10:07:35 AM
-- a video of a the end of Eddie Muller's introduction to Street of Chance at the 2013 Noir City Festival
Someone has uploaded a bunch of Eddie's intros. Cool. Take me a while to go through them all, though.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 09, 2014, 01:25:40 AM
The City Streets/Street of Chance double bill is most attractive to me because I haven't seen either. Now if we can just figure out when it's playing (hopefully it's the 18th as I'm free all day; on the 17th I have to work and I could only go to the night showings).

Okay, Film Forum corrected the site - the correct date for this double bill is Thursday, December 18th.
http://filmforum.org/film/city-streets-street-of-chancechandler-double-film

I'll decide on this a couple of days before (Tixx for this double bill are only available at the box office, anyway) depending on the weather, schedule, etc. If this winter is as brutal as last one, I don't think I'll be going out more than necessary. We have a while for this one.

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From Wednesday, Nov. 12  – Thursday Nov. 18, Film Forum will be showing Vertigo http://filmforum.org/film/vertigo-film-page
They say it is a new 4K  restoration you think this restoration – you think this is the one done for the BRD or a new one?
Either way, I'd go see it if you want to. (I've already seen the movie about 5 times – including once at Film Forum – and I know the BRD is available, but it's always fun to see a great movie in a theater with an audience, and it's fun to go out anyway


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on November 09, 2014, 09:38:07 AM

From Wednesday, Nov. 12  – Thursday Nov. 18, Film Forum will be showing Vertigo http://filmforum.org/film/vertigo-film-page
They say it is a new 4K  restoration you think this restoration – you think this is the one done for the BRD or a new one?
Either way, I'd go see it if you want to. (I've already seen the movie about 5 times – including once at Film Forum – and I know the BRD is available, but it's always fun to see a great movie in a theater with an audience, and it's fun to go out anyway
I think the only way I'd see Vertigo in a theater now is if they showed a copy of the Harris/Katz restoration in 70mm. Which leaves out FF. I've seen the film a lot, and the recent BD is good enough for most purposes.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on November 18, 2014, 02:10:10 PM
The City Streets/Street of Chance double bill is most attractive to me because I haven't seen either. Now if we can just figure out when it's playing (hopefully it's the 18th as I'm free all day; on the 17th I have to work and I could only go to the night showings).
Film Forum is now listing this on Thurs. the 18th (yay!). Drink, I assume earlier-is-better for you. It would suit me also. Let's start making plans.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: cigar joe on November 18, 2014, 02:17:07 PM
Film Forum is now listing this on Thurs. the 18th (yay!). Drink, I assume earlier-is-better for you. It would suit me also. Let's start making plans.

I may swing this too keep me updated.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on November 19, 2014, 12:06:01 PM
I may swing this too keep me updated.
Will do.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 21, 2014, 02:38:07 AM
yes, I think I should be in for that double bill of City Streets and Street of Chance on Dec. 18

Again, here is the page for that double bill http://filmforum.org/film/city-streets-street-of-chancechandler-double-film

If it's ok with you guys, I think I'd prefer to go to the late showing, 7:10 PM for CS and 9:00 PM for SOC. I understand that you guys may want to go earlier, cuz you have a longer train ride home than I do, and I can probably make the earlier showings. But if it's no difference to you, then I'd prefer to do the 7:10/9:00 showings.

I am planning to be at Film Forum on Dec. 4th for La Grande Guerra, so if we confirm by then for the 18th, maybe I could buy three tickets in advance if you guys want, so we don't risk being sold out or having to wait on line for tickets when we get there on the 18th?

Anyway, we have a little while to decide on this; I never wanna make a firm confirmation too early in advance. But tentatively, I think I am in. If it's not too cold and we have time, maybe we can go to McSorley's for a few beers before or after  :)


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on November 21, 2014, 07:00:09 AM
I'm fine with whatever, but I'm pretty sure CJ will want earlier shows. He has the furthest distance to come, so I think we should defer to his wishes.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 21, 2014, 07:51:09 AM
I'm fine with whatever, but I'm pretty sure CJ will want earlier shows. He has the furthest distance to come, so I think we should defer to his wishes.

if he wants that, I'll be fine with that.

CJ, the ball is in your court  :)


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: cigar joe on November 21, 2014, 03:41:47 PM
not sure what days I have off yet


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 08, 2014, 12:02:56 AM
Film Forum will be having a major Orson Welles retrospective from Jan. 1 thru Feb. 3, 2015. I put the info in the Welles thread so we can have the discussion there http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=5822.msg175534#msg175534


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 19, 2014, 01:12:51 AM
Cigar Joe, his wife (let's call her Cigarette Joe), Dave Jenkins and I went to Film Forum yesterday for the double bill of City Streets and Street of Chance.

I didn't like either film, I think CJ & DJ liked City Streets (it was definitely the better of the two). It had what you'd expect from a 1932 film, with the silly tough guy talk, characters named Kid, Pop, and Big Fella, ridiculous dialogue that is unintentionally funny, like:

"Who's Running this Mob now?"
"I am."
"Says Who?"
"Says I."  ;D


A good time was had by all.

CJ should be posting pictures soon  :)


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on December 19, 2014, 06:44:27 AM
Down to Lincoln Plaza today for Winter Sleep and Mr. Turner. Will report later.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on January 28, 2015, 01:14:41 PM
Rare Ophuls coming to Film Forum 27 march to 2 april: De Mayerling à Sarajevo (1940). Some people thinks it stinks; others feel it's an overlooked gem. Drink, wanna give it a try?


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 28, 2015, 05:16:48 PM
Rare Ophuls coming to Film Forum 27 march to 2 april: De Mayerling à Sarajevo (1940). Some people thinks it stinks; others feel it's an overlooked gem. Drink, wanna give it a try?

Ophuls? No doubt. I'm definitely in  :)


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: stanton on January 29, 2015, 02:45:04 AM
Rare Ophuls coming to Film Forum 27 march to 2 april: De Mayerling à Sarajevo (1940). Some people thinks it stinks; others feel it's an overlooked gem. Drink, wanna give it a try?

Most of Ophüls' films he directed in the time of his European exile years in the 30s are not so interesting. This one is ok, but not much in it which looks like Ophüls. But then, it was ages ago when I watched it.

The only one of these years which I liked was Komedie om geld, one he made in the Netherlands in 1936.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on February 18, 2015, 09:21:26 AM
Looks like the Wim Wenders retrospective at MoMA is the big film event for March. Wim himself will be introducing a lot of the screenings. I'll probably go to the Monday, 3/2 presentation of The American Friend (a favorite of mine), which is supposed to be digitally restored. Wednesday, 3/4, is unmissable: Wenders plus Peter Handke will intro the restoration of The Goalie's Anxiety at the Penalty Kick, one of the few Wenders feature I've never seen. Friday, 4/6, is the screening for Kings of the Road (ha! ha! Mr. Power, eat your heart out!)Then on Sunday, 4/8, there's a marathon of The Left-Handed Woman (Peter Handke's only film, produced by Wenders), Falsche Bewegung, and finally, another fave, The State of Things. Transportation apart, all these showings are gonna run me about $5 U.S. (once I renew my MoMA membership). Sweet!


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 29, 2015, 03:54:36 PM
Heading to Film Forum now to meet DJ for a screening of Ophuls's FROM MAYERLING TO SARAJEVO


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 29, 2015, 07:32:30 PM
Leaving theater now. I give this movie a 6.5/10.
DJ liked it much more than I did.
DJ says: I rate this movie a 9/10. It's second only to MADAME DE ... among Ophuls movies I've seen. The ending is a little weak, but up till that point the movie is very strong. The irreverent depiction of royal protocol is worth beholding. We don't get to see that kind of thing anymore! This is an aspect of history that is quickly becoming science fiction - nobody knows how to depict royalty anymore.
This was advertised as a "new 35 mm print," but it is awfully beat up. Also, the white subtitles on this black-and-white movie are often impossible to read when they are on a white background, such as a white gown, or a newspaper montage. Black-and-white movies should have yellow subtitles, Beaver be damned!


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 02, 2015, 11:16:48 AM
Holy Technicolor, Batman! This could be good (depending on the condition of the prints): http://www.moma.org/visit/calendar/films/1583


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 04, 2015, 06:40:38 AM
Holy Technicolor, Batman! This could be good (depending on the condition of the prints): http://www.moma.org/visit/calendar/films/1583
I'm bumping this to make sure Drink sees it.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: Cusser on June 04, 2015, 07:41:38 AM
Adventures of Robin Hood and Singin' in the Rain are always great on a real screen.  Robin Hood (won several Oscars, including best score) was the most expensive picture of all time when it was made.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 04, 2015, 07:55:30 AM
Adventures of Robin Hood and Singin' in the Rain are always great on a real screen. 
I've seen Robin Hood projected once and I agree. It looks great.

I'm most interested in seeing the Westerns and the swashbucklers out of this current selection.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: Cusser on June 04, 2015, 12:07:36 PM
I've seen Robin Hood projected once...

About five times for me !!!  Plus I have the soundtrack album, and two different soundtrack CDs.

Also saw Singin' in the Rain at theater in 2013 (I think), took my mom, who actually had Gene Kelly as a dance instructor when she was a little kid in Pittsburgh; had seen it on big screen before also, for film class.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 11, 2015, 11:25:14 PM
TCM/Fathom presents eight classics on the big screen for two days each: http://www.fathomevents.com/event/2015-big-screen-classic-events


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on June 22, 2015, 08:58:56 AM
http://www.filmlinc.com/films/series/new-york-asian-film-festival-2015

None of the new films look interesting, but I'm tempted to do a marathon of the 3 classic yakuza films showing on July 3.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on September 06, 2015, 02:02:43 PM
Two upcoming events at MoMA:

Quote
Hasse Ekman: The Other Swede in the Room
September 9–18, 2015

Gaumont Presents: Max Ophuls’s Sans lendemain
September 28, 2015 7pm
Ekman, apparently, would be better known if Bergman hadn't used all the oxygen in the room first. The rare Ophuls film is playing one time only.

At Film Forum, a programme featuring Vittorio De Sica (as both director and actor), begins Sept. 9th. First up is a week of showings of Gold of Naples, a portmanteau film that was originally composed of 6 episodes. The original US release only had 4--this is the first US theatrical showing of a 35mm uncut print with all the stories.

There is a new restoration of Bicycle Thieves scheduled to play, but it's a DCP. Might as well wait for the Blu-ray.

Another portmanteau film, The Witches, is playing Sept. 29th only. This includes one of the few Eastwood performances I've never seen.

Madame de . . . is scheduled and will screen in 35mm.




Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on September 06, 2015, 08:08:48 PM
Nice!
If you end up going to any of these, you can send me a PM; I may be able to go, depending on the day/time.
Tomorrow is Labor Day so I guess that means you teachers will finally be re-joining the work force ;)



Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on September 07, 2015, 10:48:48 AM
Nice!
If you end up going to any of these, you can send me a PM; I may be able to go, depending on the day/time.
Tomorrow is Labor Day so I guess that means you teachers will finally be re-joining the work force ;)
It's late this year, so we already started last week. >:(


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on October 11, 2015, 01:27:46 PM
Special "unseen" Orson Welles material is coming to MoMA this Nov. I'm particularly interested in the rare Shakespeare material (incomplete Merchant of Venice and King Lear) on Nov. 19th, but I'll probably also go to the reconstruction of The Deep on Nov. 22.

Details, along with listings of other non-Welles films in the Save and Project series, here: http://www.moma.org/visit/calendar/films/1623


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on October 11, 2015, 05:02:29 PM
Lincoln Center's retro of the films of Seijun Suzuki: http://www.filmlinc.org/daily/lineup-locked-for-our-seijun-suzuki-retrospective/

I may go to The Call of Blood on the 10th and the two on the 14th.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: PowerRR on November 07, 2015, 09:45:53 AM
Special "unseen" Orson Welles material is coming to MoMA this Nov. I'm particularly interested in the rare Shakespeare material (incomplete Merchant of Venice and King Lear) on Nov. 19th, but I'll probably also go to the reconstruction of The Deep on Nov. 22.

Details, along with listings of other non-Welles films in the Save and Project series, here: http://www.moma.org/visit/calendar/films/1623
where the fuck is other side of the wind.


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on November 11, 2015, 10:53:54 AM
where the fuck is other side of the wind.
Well, there's this: http://www.moma.org/calendar/events/1513?locale=en


Title: Re: upcoming screenings of classic movies!
Post by: dave jenkins on November 11, 2015, 10:58:33 AM
Author Leonard Gardner interviewed by Eddie Muller: http://filmforum.org/events/event/fat-city-introduced-by-leonard-gardner-event

Following the 7pm show, Friday Nov. 20th.