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Films of Sergio Leone => The Good, The Bad and The Ugly => Topic started by: Amaze on June 03, 2012, 02:58:04 PM



Title: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Amaze on June 03, 2012, 02:58:04 PM
Sup people. I don't know if you remember but a long time ago we had a discussion about how the italian bluray looks much better than the mgm release(some might disagree).
Anyway, there's a guy who has taken the trouble of encoding it, cutting it to match with the english audio track and released it.
I can't tell you where to go to get it but look for the release named The.Good.the.Bad.and.the.Ugly.1966.1080p.BluRay.DTS.x264-SuBoXoNe.

I'll report back on how it looks once I finish downloading(it's 22gb).


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 04, 2012, 12:48:05 AM
Thanks for the heads up. I've been looking for a link where i can download the torrent but it seems to be an older file. Hopefully, I can find it soon.

Anyways, do you know what English track is used? 1999 DVD track or SE track?


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 04, 2012, 12:51:01 AM
if someone can make me a disc of it i will happily buy it


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 04, 2012, 12:59:10 AM
Just found the answer to my own question:

The.Good,.the.Bad.and.the.Ugly.1966.1080p.BluRay.DTS.x264-SuBoXoNe

This took a lot of work! The Italian restored blu-ray looks great unfortunately MGM didn't release that transfer and put out a dnr to hell release with the wrong colour timing as well. The Italian blu-ray only comes with Italian language audio track So I had to sync the English Audio track witht he Italian release which has a different runtime than the MGM release. In all there were more than 50 different cuts. I decoded the DTS-HD MA english audio track to a raw .PCM file and then ran an avisynth script that cut the track to the correct synch. I then took the resulting correctly synched PCM file and loaded it into EAC3to and output the 5.1 tracks 6 seperate wav files and imput them into DTSHD.Master.Audio.Suite.V2.0 sand encoded it back into DTS-HD master audio. I muxed this release with the core dts 5.1 track but will be uploading the synced DTS-HD MA file as well. All of the log files are present in the release. I also included ITalian and English subtitles. It is a large encode but the movie is almost 3 hours long and the original source video track was around 34GB.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Amaze on June 04, 2012, 07:41:12 AM
Yeah it's the SE track I assume as the first dvd only had mono track I think?
Optimal release would be this video together with the mono track and using the 5.1 converted into mono for the extra scenes. I honestly thought about doing it myself once but it's too much work.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 04, 2012, 11:50:29 AM
It's a lot of work but I'm going to give it a shot.

I've been reading about what hardware/software I require to do this and it's a bit more difficult to figure out because I have a mac and most of the info I've come across (so far) is catered to PC users.

Since LeoneNut has already done an edit called the "Rome Premiere Cut" that combines the SE DVD video with English mono audio (for extended scenes, he used the Italian mono audio with English subtitles), I'm only interested in doing a similar version for the BD format.

Instead of using lossy DVD audio I'm going to capture the lossless PCM audio from the laserdiscs and fill in the blanks where necessary. I have a laserdisc player with a digital audio output (coaxial) and a M-Audio Firewire Audiophile to relay the signal to my mac (without resampling). I still need to buy an external BD writer, most likely a LaCie d2 BD-R, which is costly and blank discs.

Acquiring the software/hardware is the easy part. I still need to learn how to do the editing. This is going to take a while!


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 04, 2012, 11:55:54 AM
I'll report back on how it looks once I finish downloading(it's 22gb).

Amaze,

So you're still in the process of downloading this file? How far along are you? I downloaded the torrent file but there are no seeders. Still at 0% after leaving my laptop on all night.

Any tips?


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Amaze on June 04, 2012, 12:00:48 PM
I'm not familiar with mac whatsoever so I can't help you sorry.
As for the editing it's really just about getting the timecodes and then copy pasting I think. Maybe if you can get a hold of LeoneNut, he can give you the codes.

I was not aware dvd audio was lossy. Are you sure about that? I've always been under the impression that AC3/DTS was lossless.

Edit:
Haven't started download yet. Don't think mine will go very fast, only has 1 seed.
Started it now. Getting 3-500kb/s. Gonna take a week to finish utorrent is telling me lol.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 04, 2012, 12:23:40 PM
I was not aware dvd audio was lossy. Are you sure about that? I've always been under the impression that AC3/DTS was lossless.

I can confirm that Dolby AC3, DTS etc are all lossy audio formats. In the case of these films with old mono tracks, I'm not sure how much of a difference it will make but I'm a bit of a purist and would like the full (i.e. lossless) audio information available.

Haven't started download yet. Don't think mine will go very fast, only has 1 seed.
Started it now. Getting 3-500kb/s. Gonna take a week to finish utorrent is telling me lol.

lol that's better than what I got going here. No seeders = 0 kb/s. I'm not that well versed in torrent transfers, does it make a difference where I downloaded the file from? If so, can you send me via PM your link? I'd really appreciate it.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Amaze on June 04, 2012, 12:35:52 PM
I can confirm that Dolby AC3, DTS etc are all lossy audio formats. In the case of these films with old mono tracks, I'm not sure how much of a difference it will make but I'm a bit of a purist and would like the full (i.e. lossless) audio information available.

Yeah it might not be a huge difference. I was thinking that if I can get my hands on the leonenut version I'll just extract the audio from it and use that. It will be a little weird when characters suddenly speak italian but I guess one has to make a compromise.
I was also thinking that converting 5.1 into mono might get messy and not worth the trouble.

lol that's better than what I got going here. No seeders = 0 kb/s. I'm not that well versed in torrent transfers, does it make a difference where I downloaded the file from? If so, can you send me via PM your link? I'd really appreciate it.

I got mine from a place simply known as "x264". It's a private tracker, invite only.
And it does make a difference where you download it from, some sites may have more seeders than 0 ;)


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 04, 2012, 12:46:23 PM
I was also thinking that converting 5.1 into mono might get messy and not worth the trouble.

You don't need to. The SE DVD and BD is a mixed down version of the 5.1 soundtrack, complete with botched gunshot sound effects etc. You should use the 1999 MGM DVD mono audio track and splice in the the mono audio from the SE DVD for the additional scenes.

I was thinking that if I can get my hands on the leonenut version I'll just extract the audio from it and use that....I got mine from a place simply known as "x264". It's a private tracker, invite only.

How do I get invited? There might be a complimentary copy of LeoneNut's Rome Premiere Cut for the generous inviter.  >:D


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Amaze on June 04, 2012, 12:53:59 PM
You don't need to. The SE DVD and BD is a mixed down version of the 5.1 soundtrack, complete with botched gunshot sound effects etc. You should use the 1999 MGM DVD mono audio track and splice in the the mono audio from the SE DVD for the additional scenes.

Ah right, I forgot there was a mono track on the SE. That would make it a lot easier.

How do I get invited? There might be a complimentary copy of LeoneNut's Rome Premiere Cut for the generous inviter.  >:D

Well I can't really invite people willy nilly. Due to this being a private site they are very strict with maintaining a 1:1 ratio or better. Do you know what this means?


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 04, 2012, 02:17:29 PM
I do. I've kept my ratio at a minimum of 1.50:1 for the last 2 years.  O0

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/trailerparkboy/transmissionratio.png)


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Amaze on June 05, 2012, 07:33:48 AM
PM me your email. And don't make me look bad.  8)


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 05, 2012, 11:52:18 AM
PM sent. Thanks!


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 05, 2012, 01:11:22 PM
Does anyone have any contact info for LeoneNut?

I've always been looking to buy certain fan edits of Leone's movies. I don't really have much technological expertise or equipment and therefore can't make these dvd edits myself, but I am happy to pay for them if anyone can sell me the fan edits I am looking for.

If anyone here is interested in selling edited dvd's, or if know someone who sells them, please PM me with info, so we can discuss what I am looking for.

Thanks!



Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 05, 2012, 01:48:31 PM
Fan edits are not meant to be sold but I guess you could reimburse someone with LeoneNut's edits in hand for the cost of the DVDs and postage. Just a heads up, the discs are PAL, region free so you'll need a DVD player that can play them (e.g. Oppo).


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 05, 2012, 01:56:50 PM
Fan edits are not meant to be sold but I guess you could reimburse someone with LeoneNut's edits in hand for the cost of the DVDs and postage. Just a heads up, the discs are PAL, region free so you'll need a DVD player that can play them (e.g. Oppo).

I know the fan edits aren't done as a business, but  could just pay a few bucks for cost of disc, shipping, and the hassle. (I am a very big believer in intellectual property rights and would never copy something to just to save money on it; it's just that it's unavailable any other way, so I don't think it's dishonest. It's like paying someone for a copy of a cd that hasn't been issued for years. I am only buying an unofficial copy cuz it's unavailable any other way).

Anyway, I have a Samsung Blu Ray player I bought here in New York, so i guess it's Region A? I am sure there are some people out there who can sell me fan edits with region free dvd's... Please PM me  :)


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 05, 2012, 03:04:41 PM
You need a region free (North America is region 1) DVD player with a built-in PAL/NTSC converter. You might be able to unlock your Samsung (i.e. make it region free) but it probably cannot convert a PAL signal to NTSC but I can't confirm this. You'll have to check.

In this case, the discs are region free (so no issue there) but you still won't be able to play them without a PAL/NTSC converter.

I got an Oppo DV-971H that can play everything. You can get them for around $50 on eBay.

Alternatively, you could settle for watching them on your computer.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: stanton on June 05, 2012, 03:27:59 PM
But if the LeoneNut discs are already region free every DVD player should play them.

I don't know if a NTSC player has problems with a Pal disc (never heard about a Pal to NTSC converter for DVDs), but a Pal player has no problem with any NTSC disc. Only problem is the regional code. I can't make my player region free, but for the majority it is no problem.
And then there is Any DVD, a program with which I can burn from every Region
locked DVD a code free copy. That's the way I'm watching now my Val Lewton box. In that case even without any loss of quality as the individual films have less than 4,7 MB.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: dave jenkins on June 05, 2012, 04:37:59 PM
If either an NTSC DVD player or a Blu-ray player doesn't have the abiltiy to convert a PAL signal, all you will get is the audio without a picture.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 05, 2012, 04:46:53 PM
you think that fan-edit-authors like LeoneNut who are so hardcore and have all this equipment don't have region-free dvd's??


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 05, 2012, 05:06:58 PM
Sup people. I don't know if you remember but a long time ago we had a discussion about how the italian bluray looks much better than the mgm release(some might disagree).


Is the Italian Blu Ray the "Fox Pathe Europa Region Free" that Beaver discusses on this page? http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare10/the_good_the_bad_and_the_ugly_.htm
As Beaver's comments and screencaps indicate, the "skin tones are VERY red" in that Blu Ray. So i don't know why that is considered so great.

And that Beaver page only reviews that Fox Pathe Europa blu ray disc cuz Gary Tooze says (in the first paragraph of the Comments section that he is "fairly certain that it will be the same transfer as on the US Blu Ray. We will compare but I'm not expecting any surprises." Well, if the U.S. version is different, someone who is part of Tooze's online group should contact him and tell him that he needs to review the American Blu Ray separately.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 05, 2012, 07:14:28 PM
Is the Italian Blu Ray the "Fox Pathe Europa Region Free" that Beaver discusses on this page? http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare10/the_good_the_bad_and_the_ugly_.htm
As Beaver's comments and screencaps indicate, the "skin tones are VERY red" in that Blu Ray. So i don't know why that is considered so great.

No. The Italian BD case looks like this: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=108239


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 05, 2012, 07:21:13 PM
you think that fan-edit-authors like LeoneNut who are so hardcore and have all this equipment don't have region-free dvd's??

Region code and PAL/NTSC are independent factors.

Lifted from wikipedia:

"In general, it is easier for consumers in PAL/SECAM countries to view NTSC DVDs than vice versa. Almost all DVD players sold in PAL/SECAM countries are capable of playing both kinds of discs, and most modern PAL TVs can handle the converted signal. However, most NTSC players cannot play PAL discs, and most NTSC TVs do not accept 576i video signals as used on PAL/SECAM DVDs. Those in NTSC countries, such as in North America, generally require both a region-free, multi-standard player and a multi-standard television to view PAL discs, or a converter box, whereas those in PAL countries generally require only a region-free player. There are also differences in pixel aspect ratio (720 480 vs. 720 576 with the same image aspect ratio) and display frame rate (29.97 vs. 25). Again, NTSC discs can be played on most DVD systems worldwide,[citation needed] while PAL discs play on very few players outside of PAL/SECAM countries.[9]"


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: stanton on June 06, 2012, 03:07:40 AM
Region code and PAL/NTSC are independent factors.

Lifted from wikipedia:

"In general, it is easier for consumers in PAL/SECAM countries to view NTSC DVDs than vice versa. Almost all DVD players sold in PAL/SECAM countries are capable of playing both kinds of discs, and most modern PAL TVs can handle the converted signal. However, most NTSC players cannot play PAL discs, and most NTSC TVs do not accept 576i video signals as used on PAL/SECAM DVDs. Those in NTSC countries, such as in North America, generally require both a region-free, multi-standard player and a multi-standard television to view PAL discs, or a converter box, whereas those in PAL countries generally require only a region-free player. There are also differences in pixel aspect ratio (720 480 vs. 720 576 with the same image aspect ratio) and display frame rate (29.97 vs. 25). Again, NTSC discs can be played on most DVD systems worldwide,[citation needed] while PAL discs play on very few players outside of PAL/SECAM countries.[9]"

Imteresting


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 06, 2012, 03:30:40 AM
No. The Italian BD case looks like this: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=108239

then one of you with connections to Beaver should contact them and tell them to make a proper review of all the BR's for GBU; as it is, the only BR that is mentioned and reviewed is the Fox Pathe Europa one


btw Honest Farmer, is your profile picture of Tuco's face from the Socorro sequence in the French GBU trailer -- at 00:51 of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_V-wR4VrAA ?


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Lil Brutto on June 06, 2012, 09:01:03 AM
btw Honest Farmer, is your profile picture of Tuco's face from the Socorro sequence in the French GBU trailer -- at 00:51 of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_V-wR4VrAA ?

Yes.  8)


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: uncknown on June 16, 2012, 12:44:01 PM
my fan edit request:

pt I: MGM version with the SEDVD scene of Angel Eyes visiting the fort inserted in its proper place (if mono sound track is available in english, use that)
ptII. back to the MGM version until the Blondie and Tuco are captured before the battle for Langston Bridge. Switch to the sedvd for the remainder of the film

i will trade a COMPLETE score cd of the music score from GBU for a copy, I also have a complete FAFDM score.
 O0
bruce

ps i  would also enjoy hearing the Frayling commentary :)


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 17, 2012, 05:52:42 AM

my ideal version of GBU is:

Scenes: All of the scenes in the Special Edition, with the following 2 changes: the Cave scene should be deleted; and the full length Beating/Story of a Soldier Scene should be used.

Audio: the original English mono for all the scenes in the 161 minute version; for the restored scenes, I'd just use the SE audio.
 I am definitely interested in certain fan edits of Leone movies, though I have neither the technology nor the knowledge require to make 'em myself. If anyone is interested in making and selling edits for me, please PM me  O0


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@uncknown: the Frayling GBU commentary is on the MGM Blu Ray disc. Do you not have a blu ray player?


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Novecento on February 09, 2013, 10:20:49 AM
Someone just posted the following over at the blu-ray forums:

Quote
This was reissued in Italy in Dec 2012, and the Amazon.it listing notes "Inglese" audio along with the two Italian tracks. Is it possible they added the English audio to the reissue? I was thinking of getting this anyway and if the English is not there, syncing it up with the English audio from the U.S. Blu. For some reason though, the Italian BD runs 174mins23secs whilst the US BD runs 178mins41secs. Does anyone know why this is?

Someone else replied accordingly:

Quote
The Italian release is from a different source and doesn't have the (unnecessary in my opinion) grotto scene that was added to MGM/Fox versions, hence the shorter running time. The listing on Amazon.it says Audio: English (Unknown), Italian (DTS-HD High Res Audio), Italian (PCM) but their photo of the back shows only Italian so I'm not getting my hopes up


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Lil Brutto on February 09, 2013, 12:06:39 PM
Although I would love for this to be true, this is likely an error. The English soundtrack cannot simply be added to a BD reissue because of the extensive differences between the 2 cuts of the film.

Rigby Reardon's fan edit (using the Italian Mondo video and MGM SE audio) was a lot of work. He had to edit the audio extensively to sync with the video and on top of all that he had to deal with two totally different cuts of the beating scene.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: stanton on February 09, 2013, 12:44:58 PM
The beating scene is only different for a few seconds towards the end.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Lil Brutto on February 09, 2013, 01:11:32 PM
The beating scene is only different for a few seconds towards the end.

Not true. The Italian and international cuts of the beating scene are totally different.

Here's Rigby Reardon's description of the work required to complete his project:

Quote from: Rigby Reardon
I managed to edit the audio track from the MGM BD into a synchronized track for the Mondo. There are lots of minor (and some major) differences between the two versions, it took almost 50 cuts to get it in sync. I placed most of them in spots where you won't notice them. In a couple of cases I had to loop a few frames that where missing on the MGM from adjacent frames. However, the real puzzle was the Tuco torture scene, which for some reason has a totally different order of shots, so I had to rearrange the segments into the order of the Italian version. Since I didn't have the stems, some of the transitions are a bit bumpy as a result, but nothing too jarring (and I tried to smooth it out a bit via crossfading)...

...Audio/video sync seems to be frame-perfect. One interesting tidbit I noticed while editing is that MGM apparently located a different take of Tuco's last shot, where the english translation syncs a little bit better with the lip movement of Eli Wallach's Italian scream. But of course "dirty bitch" will never quite transition into the final "ayeeh-ayeeh-aaahhh" as nicely as "grandissima puttana

He didn't mention other differences such as "Sorry, Tuco" being excised from the Italian cut.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Lil Brutto on February 18, 2013, 11:54:23 AM
I've been searching for days and can't find any reliable info on whether or not this BD reissue includes "Inglese" audio.

I'm surprised this hasn't garnered more interest given it would be the ultimate version of this film. Any Italians here who can verify this for us??


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Lil Brutto on March 01, 2013, 07:37:17 AM
Here's the scoop on the Mondo/Moviemax "reissue" from a bluray forums member...

Quote from: EddieLarkin
Got mine too. Mine has the new EAN on the back! Except, it doesn't, not really. The old one is still on the case, it's just now covered by the new one on the shrink wrap. Sure enough, the disc has not changed; Italian only. Did we ever really expect any different?



Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Rojo Ramone on May 02, 2013, 01:30:01 PM
Does anyone know if the YIFY torrent is from the Italian BluRay?

It's 2.39GB


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Lil Brutto on May 02, 2013, 01:46:42 PM
2.39 GB? Probably not.

I have the hybrid version and it's 23.62 GB.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Rojo Ramone on May 03, 2013, 11:00:27 AM
OK, thanks Lil Brutto.



Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Amaze on October 19, 2013, 09:26:57 AM
Finally got around to watching this release. I've been saving it until I got I a 1080p tv.
I thought it looked much better than the u.s. release. A couple of shots had what looked like faded colors, but they were few and far between. It was glorious really.
The grotto scene was not missed.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 19, 2013, 06:58:21 PM
Finally got around to watching this release. I've been saving it until I got I a 1080p tv.
I thought it looked much better than the u.s. release. A couple of shots had what looked like faded colors, but they were few and far between. It was glorious really.
The grotto scene was not missed.

what did you see? the regular Mondo BRD (which does not have English audio), or this fan edit with Mondo image and English audio?


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Amaze on October 22, 2013, 09:17:12 AM
The fan edit.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 22, 2013, 11:49:34 AM
well.... if you wanna make a copy and PM me, a few American dollars might wind up at your doorstep...  ;)


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Amaze on October 23, 2013, 01:54:42 PM
Sorry I don't have a bluray burner. I'm sure you can locate it online somewhere though.
Maybe Lil Brutto can help you. I did waste an invite on him so he could download the movie.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Lil Brutto on October 23, 2013, 08:41:41 PM
Sorry I don't have a bluray burner. I'm sure you can locate it online somewhere though.
Maybe Lil Brutto can help you. I did waste an invite on him so he could download the movie.

Ouch. I hope you don't really believe it was a "waste", do you? I'm very thankful for your generosity in offering me an invitation. I successfully downloaded the hybrid cut (as mentioned above). It's nearly 24 GB.

I'm actually nearly done my own version, which goes beyond simply syncing English audio to the Italian blu-ray. I have used Final Cut Pro software to sync the Mondo BD video frame by frame to the MGM 1998 DVD (i.e. US/International cut) video. By doing so, I have created my own International cut with the best video available, complete with MGM BD opening credits, English character titles, International cut of the beating scene, "Sorry, Tuco" reinserted, etc.

The next step is to mux this custom video with the lossless mono soundtrack from the MGM laserdisc. The MGM 1998 DVD and laserdisc are practically identical so I don't ancticipate this step requiring too much more work.

I'm aware of 20th Century Fox Deustchland's upcoming release of a remastered version. Not sure if they'll get it right but my project has been quite fun and will be ready at least a few months before their release.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: noodles_leone on October 24, 2013, 03:23:41 AM
my project has been quite fun and will be ready at least a few months before their release.

(http://media.tumblr.com/2e3842e3ef2231616eff4e87e2a0f279/tumblr_inline_mowfxhTQ1P1qc9lhz.gif)

Cannot wait dude.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: cigar joe on October 24, 2013, 05:42:08 AM
 O0 O0 O0 O0


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Amaze on October 24, 2013, 01:06:42 PM
Well you let your account get disabled and I have limited amounts of invites. So in that regard I do consider it a waste seeing as your not productive member of our site.

However if you were to release your fan edit I would not think of it as waste.  :)


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Lil Brutto on October 24, 2013, 06:16:43 PM
That was due to an unfamiliarity with the dynamics of the download/upload times, not a disgregard for site rules. I read the rules and downloaded several "free" files that would earn me credit but no one was leaching them and in the meantime the hybrid cut was continuing to download. I ended up with a crappy ratio and I couldn't make up for it in the very limited they allow for you to get back in good standing.

Anyways, it was my loss although I am pleased to have the hybrid cut, thanks to you.

I'm sorry you still feel that way. My project has been a huge investment in time and money...at least a year in the making given I have absolutely no experience using editing software, and purchasing the equipment (computer, sound card, blu ray drive, software, etc.). Yes, I invested all this to do my favorite movie justice. That's hardcore, no? So are the rest of the SLWB members here so that's why I'm happy to share my project when it's finally done. I will have to figure out a way to share my version without breaking any laws (never mind sharing site rules!)


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Amaze on October 26, 2013, 03:38:27 PM
Well you can't share the movie without breaking laws. And it probably is frowned upon in here to share copyrighted stuff publicly.

Also you should be aware that if you are adding more footage to the video, you'll have to re-encode it, losing quality in the process.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Lil Brutto on October 26, 2013, 04:12:16 PM
I'm aware of that. I'm willing to sacrifice a little quality in order to replicate the International cut.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: noodles_leone on October 27, 2013, 06:21:44 AM
There will be a quality loss, but nothing that could be noticed by a naked eye in real life conditions. If you use the right compression settings, you'd have to compare side by side stills to be able to tell which is which. H264 compression used in BD is quite impressive (as long as you don't play with the colors).


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Amaze on October 27, 2013, 08:58:54 AM
That depends entirely on how much information the leonenut copy retained from the original blu ray and how much lil brutto then expects to retain from leonenut's.
It won't look like garbage, but undoubtedly worse.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: noodles_leone on October 27, 2013, 05:00:16 PM
Oh yeah I'm only talking about a job properly done. If along the way someone encoded too heavily for download time sakes, then it could really look like garbage.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Lil Brutto on October 28, 2013, 01:33:51 AM
I haven't used any files from other fan edits. That would definitely lead to poor results. I have done this all from scratch.

Being a Mac guy, I converted the Mondo BD and MGM BD into Apple ProRes HQ using Pavtube Blu-Ray Ripper at the highest quality setting. This conversion to a high quality editing codec allows me to make frame-specific edits. I also converted the MGM 1998 DVD into Apple ProRes HQ at the same settings as the BD files (overkill). I synced the frames of the Mondo BD to the 1998 DVD in Final Cut Pro 7, using the MGM BD to add any frames that were necessary, for example:

- English opening credits
- English character titles instead of Italian titles (at the beginning and end of the film)
- International cut of Tuco torture scene
- Blondie saying, "Sorry, Tuco"
- Tuco screaming, "...dirty son a biii-AYAYAAAA!!!
- "THE END" instead of "FINE"

Since I used the MGM 1998 DVD as a template I should be able to sync with minimal effort the 1998 LD PCM audio that I captured bit perfectly using a M-Audio Firewire Audiophile and then converted from 44.1kHz to 48kHz with Izotope.

I've yet to decide which format I will use for viewing (or more appropriately, EXPERIENCING) the finished product. Obviously something that yields the best results and with minimal compression.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: noodles_leone on October 28, 2013, 01:47:58 AM
(http://media.tumblr.com/2e3842e3ef2231616eff4e87e2a0f279/tumblr_inline_mowfxhTQ1P1qc9lhz.gif)

Sounds really good.


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: Amaze on October 28, 2013, 09:15:24 AM
Well that changes everything doesn't it  :P


Title: Re: Italian bluray muxed with english audio
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 23, 2014, 02:03:28 PM
so ....

now that the original English mono has been released on the new BRD, but the image looks like piss ... I assume someone is going to make a fan edit of the previous (i.e., non-piss) Italian BRD mixed with English mono audio? :)