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Title: Scarlet Street (1945)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 11, 2012, 03:10:02 PM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038057/

Scarlet Street (1945)


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From the Film Noir Discussion Thread:


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cigar joe: Scarlet Street 9/10, this was one of those Noirs where you never quite were sure which way it was going, kept me interested throughout, it was great, Dir, Fritz Lang, with Edward G. Robinson, Joan Benett, Dan Duryea. rent & check it out on Netflix!


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3 years later, another post by cigar joe: Scarlet Street (1945) dir Fritz Lang, with Edward G. Robinson, Joan Bennett, Dan Duryea. Netflix disk is faded out needs a restoration, would look great restored, even with lousy print. Robinson is a cashier who dreams of being an artist. On the way back from a dinner in his honor he saves a damsel in distress from an attacker and falls in love.  She (Bennett) turns out to be a prostitute & Duryea her pimp. Needs a better print. With the print as is a 7/10

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titoli: (quotes cj's comment and says):

 Well, the italian dvd has a very good quality. The movie, I saw it in the early '80's back to back with the twin made the year before. I don't like it. Visually, as everything by Lang, is beautiful: and still with a title like that one should expect at least not to be shot entirely in the studio. The male leads are perfect, Duryea expecially. But Joan Bennett doesn't look the part. It is the story that is the main source of unsatisfaction. We have to accept: 1) that Robinson could have married a harridan like only in movies 2) that he can be blind to Bennett's real feelings towards him (he gives her money though she doesn't even want to be touched by him 3) that her wife's thought-deceased husband comes up out of the blue 4) the incredible affair with his paintings. I haven't read the french novel on which it was based: probably censorship and the fact id didn't have to render the story in images made ot more acceptable, but to the movie I can give only a 6\10.

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At this point, starting here http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1822.msg146641#msg146641 the Film Noir Discussion Thread contains a long debate about which novel the movie was based on (and a few other things  ;) ).  It's way too much back-and-forth for me to copy all those posts here; if you are interested in reading that discussion, just click that link and begin reading  ;)




Title: Re: Scarlet Street (1945)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 11, 2012, 03:35:55 PM
I just saw this movie today. Rented it off Netflix. The movie looked absolutely atrocious, with visible damage throughout. DVD Beaver here has comparisons of 6 different versions of the movie http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film3/blu-ray_reviews56/scarlet_street_blu-ray.htm The dvd I saw was the Alpha dvd (#4 of Beaver's comparisons). As you can see from Beaver's screen grabs, it is simply atrocious, no other way to describe it. Thankfully, I see that Kino has what looks to be a beautiful blu ray version of the movie; next time I see it, I'll be sure to check out that version  :)

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The movie itself was very good, I give it an 8/10. But IMO it is not as good as The Woman in the Window.

The two films were made one year apart, with the same director and 3 of the same main actors, and have some similar story elements, though they don't share any of the credited writers for story or screenplay.

I think Scarlet Street asked me to accept more silliness/implausibilities than I would have liked to. And the part with the guy with the eye patch was so ridiculous, it never should have been in the movie at all.


Title: Re: Scarlet Street (1945)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on May 28, 2017, 02:55:19 AM
Eddie Muller's opening and closing comments to this movie on TCM Noir Alley https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T-w1Tt2YlQ&spfreload=5


Title: Re: Scarlet Street (1945)
Post by: Moorman on November 18, 2017, 01:50:30 PM
A GREAT movie. This is probably my second favorite film noir behind Double Indemnity.  The cinamatography, acting, directing and music were all very good. What stood out for me though is the moral lessons the movie taught.  Edward G. Robinson's character is somebody we have all seen.  His love and kindness were used as a weakness against him.  This movie also showed the range of Robinson's acting.  I rate this a solid 8 out of 10. I watched this on TCM early this year. I just purchased the Kino Classics version and will give that a watch also.


Title: Re: Scarlet Street (1945)
Post by: Jessica Rabbit on November 18, 2017, 04:40:12 PM
Scarlet Street to me is the most Noir of all Noir movies. Its utter bleakness is hard to beat.


Title: Re: Scarlet Street (1945)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 18, 2017, 05:51:03 PM
Scarlet Street to me is the most Noir of all Noir movies. Its utter bleakness is hard to beat.

OUT OF THE PAST is the quintessential noir for me. It has every elememt of noir, in addition to the cinematography: flashback, narration, femme fatale, private eye, bleak ending .... (There is one element it doesn’t have: the “regular guy getting in over his head” - as a rule, that element doesn’t occur with private eye noirs  ;) )


Title: Re: Scarlet Street (1945)
Post by: Moorman on November 18, 2017, 06:01:49 PM
OUT OF THE PAST is the quintessential noir for me. It has every elememt of noir, in addition to the cinematography: flashback, narration, femme fatale, private eye, bleak ending .... (There is one element it doesn’t have: the “regular guy getting in over his head” - as a rule, that element doesn’t occur with private eye noirs  ;) )

A very good movie.  I liked it all the way up to the cabin scene.  For some reason, i didn't care about where the plot went after that. Its been a while though since i saw it.  I'm gonna purchase this one and give it a rewatch. I love Robert Mitchum, so its gonna be in my rotation...


Title: Re: Scarlet Street (1945)
Post by: kjrwe on November 18, 2017, 10:45:30 PM
I've given this film a couple of chances. I really want to like it, but there's something about the pacing (or whatever) that just doesn't work for me, unfortunately.


Title: Re: Scarlet Street (1945)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 18, 2017, 11:40:09 PM
I give SCARLET STREET an 8/10 and THE WOMAN IN THE WINDOW a 9/10

Edward G. Robinson is one of my very favorite actors of all time. I’m not a fan of his gangster roles. I lov ehim in non-gangster roles.


Title: Re: Scarlet Street (1945)
Post by: Moorman on November 19, 2017, 04:32:05 AM
I give SCARLET STREET an 8/10 and THE WOMAN IN THE WINDOW a 9/10

Edward G. Robinson is one of my very favorite actors of all time. I’m not a fan of his gangster roles. I lov ehim in non-gangster roles.

I loved him in Key Largo as the heavy. He is one of my favorites also.


Title: Re: Scarlet Street (1945)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 19, 2017, 08:48:41 AM
I loved him in Key Largo as the heavy. He is one of my favorites also.

I agree. Key Largo is a good performance by him as a gangster - because he is not doing the silly slang, tough-talking gangster as he does in Little Caesar and some other 30’s gangster films. I don’t like the overdone slang tough-talking that is a feature of so many 30’s gangster movies, not only by Robinson. I don’t love Bogie’s earlier gangster films either. But in High Sierra he was great.


Title: Re: Scarlet Street (1945)
Post by: Jessica Rabbit on November 19, 2017, 11:16:33 AM
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OUT OF THE PAST is the quintessential noir for me. It has every elememt of noir, in addition to the cinematography: flashback, narration, femme fatale, private eye, bleak ending ....

Yes, Out of the Past is obviously on the list off all-time great Noirs. What to me makes Scarlet Street so exceptionally bleak is the main character, who I would say never had a chance from the day he was born. Chris Cross is the ultimate sucker who always must have been the punching bag for everybody.


Title: Re: Scarlet Street (1945)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 19, 2017, 04:42:41 PM
Yes, Out of the Past is obviously on the list off all-time great Noirs. What to me makes Scarlet Street so exceptionally bleak is the main character, who I would say never had a chance from the day he was born. Chris Cross is the ultimate sucker who always must have been the punching bag for everybody.

He is a meek loser who is scared of his wife and who walks around the house in an apron. Is that the quintessential noir character for you? I figure you're an evil bitch who dreams of dominating weak men ....   ;)

In The Woman in the Window, Robinson plays a solid, upstanding, cultured man who gets caught up way over his head ... I prefer that movie. Also, in that movie, Joan Bennett doesn't whine when she speaks, as she does in Scarlet Street.

p.s. Joan Bennett and Susan Hayward look alike http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=11833.0  Hayward is one of my favorite noirs (not really a noir), House of Strangers


Title: Re: Scarlet Street (1945)
Post by: Moorman on November 19, 2017, 04:57:17 PM
I can't wait to see The Woman in the Window.  If its as good or better than Scarlett Street, its definitely a winner. I love Edward G. Robinson. I'm always searching for good movies he has starred in ever since i saw him in Key Largo. 


Title: Re: Scarlet Street (1945)
Post by: Jessica Rabbit on November 19, 2017, 05:42:17 PM
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I figure you're an evil bitch who dreams of dominating weak men
Huh? You got issues, darling.


Title: Re: Scarlet Street (1945)
Post by: kjrwe on November 20, 2017, 01:42:34 AM
I adore The Woman in the Window, even the ending (which has been heavily criticized).

I think that maybe when I tried to watch Scarlet Street a couple of times, I found myself comparing it to The Woman in the Window. Not sure.

Personally, I think that James Cagney played a better gangster than Bogart and Robinson did.

Style of talking? Yup, there were certain styles of speech which were done by all gangster characters during that time, and other styles of speech which cop characters did in the forties, etc. That was fashionable back then.

By the way, I really enjoyed House of Strangers, too.


Title: Re: Scarlet Street (1945)
Post by: cigar joe on November 20, 2017, 04:53:59 AM
The Woman in the Window is comparably visually drabber than Scarlet Street it has that obviously fake studio "forest" set at one point, and it has the BS ending.


Title: Re: Scarlet Street (1945)
Post by: kjrwe on November 22, 2017, 11:47:41 PM
I like the visuals in The Woman in the Window (shadows, isolated street, etc).

I understand the complaints about the ending, but the story is told before that ending happens, so I'm fine with it.