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Title: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: dave jenkins on June 13, 2012, 11:19:10 AM
Incredibly, there didn't seem to be a thread for this film until just now. But I needed somewhere to deposit this link, so . . .  http://www.nj.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2012/06/henry_hill_dead_dies.html


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 13, 2012, 03:30:33 PM
Incredibly, there didn't seem to be a thread for this film until just now. But I needed somewhere to deposit this link, so . . .  http://www.nj.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2012/06/henry_hill_dead_dies.html


and good riddance Henry Hill


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: dave jenkins on June 14, 2012, 10:17:44 AM
Yeah, he was a scum-bag. My dad, who is a retired Deputy U.S. Marshal, had some dealings with him when Hill was in the WitSec program in Seattle (and my dad would want you all to know that there is no such thing as the "Witness Protection Program"--it's true name is the Witness Security Program). Hill got his new identity and his new life and almost immediately started dealing drugs again. A real piece of work.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: Groggy on June 14, 2012, 11:31:13 AM
Yeah, he was a scum-bag. My dad, who is a retired Deputy U.S. Marshal, had some dealings with him when Hill was in the WitSec program in Seattle (and my dad would want you all to know that there is no such thing as the "Witness Protection Program"--it's true name is the Witness Security Program). Hill got his new identity and his new life and almost immediately started dealing drugs again. A real piece of work.

Very interesting info, DJ. I remember Hill being arrested for drug dealing a few years back. Looks like he never kicked the habit, only he could only do it on a pathetic scale after turning coat.

Still, at least he helped put a decent number of mobsters away. And of course inspired a great film.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 14, 2012, 02:11:17 PM
Like Sammy The Bull Gravano: he ratted everyone out, went into Witness Protection, then (after leaving the program) got busted for dealing Ecstacy. Now he's serving 20 years for the Ecstacy (which is about 10 times more than what he served for the 19 murders he participated in).


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: dave jenkins on June 14, 2012, 02:18:01 PM
Like Sammy The Bull Gravano: he ratted everyone out, went into Witness Protection, then (after leaving the program) got busted for dealing Ecstacy.
Witness Security.

I think in Hill's case he had to leave the program because he got busted dealing drugs.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 14, 2012, 02:30:34 PM
Gravano decided to leave cuz it was too restrictive.

btw, he grew up 4 blocks from me. So I am very familiar with all the streets his book mentions. And I know one of his nemesis' -- it's the sister of the first guy he killed, since her brother was killed, she has this vendetta. She follows him around at every court appearance, is always bashing him on tv, always giving interviews.  It was a nice day for her when after all that, Gravano was finally put away for 20 years. She appears at 5:07 of this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H1qXfEhvFk&feature=relmfu


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: dave jenkins on June 15, 2012, 03:32:43 PM
You know her from the neighborhood?


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 15, 2012, 04:01:58 PM
You know her from the neighborhood?

yeah


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 26, 2014, 02:35:47 AM
On Thursday, the FBI just arrested Vincent Asaro, a 78-year-old Bonnano family captain, and charged him with involvement in the 1978 Lufthansa heist immortalized in Goodfellas. (They actually arrested 5 mafiosi, and there are lots of other charges, including murder, but of course, the Lufthansa heist is getting the most press cuz of the Goodfellas connection.)

the story is, of course, all over the internet; here are just a few of the many available articles

The original news story from the NY Daily News http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/feds-charge-mobster-1978-lufthansa-heist-kennedy-airport-article-1.1588523

Here is another story, posted later Thursday, by the Daily News http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/vincent-asaro-mobster-linked-1978-lufthansa-heist-inspired-goodfellas-scene-article-1.1590840

CNN http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/23/justice/new-york-organized-crime-arrests/

Here's the initial story from the NY Times http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/24/nyregion/arrests-in-cold-case-investigation-including-78-lufthansa-heist.html?hpw&rref=nyregion

Here's a later article from the NY Times about Asaro http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/25/nyregion/a-mob-life-on-the-margins-and-out-of-favor.html



Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: titoli on January 26, 2014, 04:24:16 AM
I can't remember the role played by the Pesci character in the Lufthansa caper. As he helped in the eliminating of other participants I had assumed he got his share of the loot. While here it is said that The Gent De Niro took all. 


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 26, 2014, 06:12:13 AM
It seems from these articles that Gent kept most of the money - he either killed the others involved or he cut them in for less than they should have gotten.... The Pesci character is based on Tommy DeSimone, i believe his body was never found (i.e. the way he is killed in Goodfellas is just the movie version). The movie doesn't say how much Pesci was involved in Lufthansa. But obviously, Pesci and Liotta had no problems with De Niro over Lufthansa



Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 26, 2014, 10:36:32 PM
Well, DJ, what does Dad have to say about this?


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 26, 2014, 10:47:36 PM
Titoli - I guess I didn't answer your question.... In the movie, I don't believe that Pesci is mentioned at all in connection with Lufthansa - no mention of planning the hesit nor of receiving any money.... However, i believe that the real-life Tommy DeSimone, on whom the Pesci character was based, just went missing one day and no one ever found his body, so who knows what really happened, and whether he was in fact killed by Gent over Lufthansa or by someone else over something else....... GET OUT YOUR FUCKING SHINEBOX


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 22, 2015, 05:25:37 PM
5/5/15
Goodfellas 25th Anniversary Blu-ray (from a new "4k scan of the original camera negative, supervised by Martin Scorsese.")

This will be a 2-disc Blu, and will include a mix of old and new bonus content.

(http://images4.static-bluray.com/movies/covers/122386_medium.jpg)


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: noodles_leone on January 25, 2015, 02:10:31 PM
5/5/15
Goodfellas 25th Anniversary Blu-ray (from a new "4k scan of the original camera negative, supervised by Martin Scorsese.")

This will be a 2-disc Blu, and will include a mix of old and new bonus content.

(http://images4.static-bluray.com/movies/covers/122386_medium.jpg)

 :-*


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: T.H. on January 25, 2015, 02:29:52 PM
I have no problem buying this movie a third time (for a 4K transfer) but that cover is an eyesore if I ever saw one.

Great news though.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 25, 2015, 02:47:28 PM
I have no problem buying this movie a third time (for a 4K transfer) but that cover is an eyesore if I ever saw one.
Not only that, but . . . where the hell is Joe Pesci?


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: T.H. on January 25, 2015, 02:56:13 PM
Good point.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 25, 2015, 03:32:50 PM
I bought the bare-bones BRD a little while ago; I was surprised that such a famous/great movie didn't have a more robust release like this new one looks to be.
Nevertheless, I won't buy the new BRD unless it's clear that there is a significant upgrade in image quality of the movie. I'm not buying the movie again just for an extra disc of bonus features or for a barely noticeable upgrade in image quality that would only be visible on a 60" screen. I'll wait to see what the comparison-screencap people have to say about this.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 25, 2015, 04:25:46 PM
So "4K scan of the OCN supervised by the director" means nothing to you, huh? Yeah, don't trust Marty, he's the American Andrea Leone.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 25, 2015, 04:57:49 PM
So "4K scan of the OCN supervised by the director" means nothing to you, huh? Yeah, don't trust Marty, he's the American Andrea Leone.

I didn't say it means nothing; I said I'll wait to see if there is a real noticeable difference. I'm not the most technologically knowledgeable person around, but my understanding that some of these upgrades are sometimes aren't very noticeable to the untrained eye especially if it's not on a huge screen. If there is a significant difference that I'd notice on my 32" TV, then I'll get it.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 25, 2015, 06:59:44 PM
The current transfer looks like dogfood.

For the new one they are going back to the OCN; they are doing a 4K scan; M.S. is supervising.

None of this was done for previous home video releases.

Yeah, you're going to notice a difference.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: T.H. on January 25, 2015, 10:47:06 PM
Yeah, this is going to be worth the re-purchase and then some. Outside of seeing a pristine print in a theater, this is going to be the best way to see this movie. I'm pretty confident that it's going to be a noticeable upgrade and a new experience (to a point).

As someone who has purchased five copies of GBU, I can relate with drink's skepticism but 4K is definitely a legit reason to double dip (or triple or quadruple).


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: PowerRR on January 25, 2015, 11:33:52 PM
I'll get it when it's on sale at a Walmart Blu-Ray bargain bin for $7 in about six years. I love this film with the rest of the world, but 4K resolution or not, I probably catch this on A&E, Bravo, or AMC at least once a month and can't see myself paying money to re-watch it.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 26, 2015, 01:06:23 AM
I'll cut and paste this post http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=6892.msg167161#msg167161 that I made in the "What Was the Last DVD You Bought?" thread when I bought the first BRD:

When I was 16 (in 2000), Channel 9 in New York played Goodfellas; I'd never seen the movie before, and I recorded it on videotape, on my 13-inch TV/VCR combo.

In the beginning of the movie, there was a short piece by Scorsese, explaining that they had trimmed some of the violence for TV, but that they had kept in enough to show how brutal the lives of the mobsters were. He emphasized that the movie wasn't attempting to glamorize the gangster life. He also emphasized that while the movie mostly focused on Italian gangsters, there were individuals of other ethnicities in the same mob, and the movie wasn't meant to stereotype Italians. Scorsese ended his introduction by saying – I still remember this clearly – "Finally, Goodfellas is the sad story of gangsters everywhere."

I watched that videotape (forwarding through the commercials, of course), of the pan-n-scanned movie with overdubs on the curses and toned-down violence, and musta re-watched it two dozen times over the next few years.

So, you might say that, as much as I love the movie, I've never seen the REAL Goodfellas. Well, I was in Best Buy in Union Square the other day and saw the Goodfellas BRD for like 9 or 10 bucks, and I bought it. I hope the movie will be as good in widescreen and with all the cursing and violence   ;)

I'm sure any BRD is better than the pan-and-scan videotape that I recorded off Channel 9 in 2000  ;)


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 26, 2015, 01:24:38 AM

As someone who has purchased five copies of GBU, I can relate with drink's skepticism but 4K is definitely a legit reason to double dip (or triple or quadruple).

For GBU, I have:
A) the MGM DVD (1998)
B) the MGM special extended cut DVD (first released in 2004; I got it in "The Sergio Leone Anthology" 2007 boxset)
C) MGM's original BRD (first released in 2009, I got it in "The Man With No Name Trilogy" 2010 boxset)
D) the Mondo BRD (2009)
E) MGM's second BRD (2014)

so yeah, I'm kinda nuts, too. And if they continue to release new versions I'll probably buy every one, even if they are awful.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: stanton on January 26, 2015, 02:57:33 AM
I'll cut and paste this post http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=6892.msg167161#msg167161 that I made in the "What Was the Last DVD You Bought?" thread when I bought the first BRD:

I'm sure any BRD is better than the pan-and-scan videotape that I recorded off Channel 9 in 2000  ;)

Which is most likely not pan and scan, but open matte. Pan and scan is usually only used for anamorphic shot films.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 26, 2015, 07:48:29 AM
Which is most likely not pan and scan, but open matte. Pan and scan is usually only used for anamorphic shot films.

so that means that I actually saw more on top and bottom of the screen (and the same on the sides) than what was in the theatrical version? I.e. they shot it in 4:3, cropped the top & bottom for theatrical widescreen release, but on TV showed the full 4:3 image?

IF this is so – and filmmakers knew when making movies that they would be shown on TV in 4:3 – I assume they composed the shots primarily for widescreen but also making sure that the full 4:3 image they shot looked decent (sort of like what filmmakers did in 1953-54, composing for both 4:3 and 1.85:1 cuz some theaters had the widescreen technology and some didn't) ... so I guess the open matte is much more legit than the pan-and-scan?


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: stanton on January 26, 2015, 01:06:58 PM
Scorsese even said (or was it Ballhaus?) he likes the open matte version of The Age if Innocence cause you are able to see in the dinner scenes much more of the delicate food on the tables. But that was a film shot in Super 35 (so I think), and there you see open matte much more on the bottom then on the top.

I think for open matte the Directors and DoPs only care that no mikes (or similar unwanted stuff) are in the picture. But the image composition is only done for the widescreen picture.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: T.H. on January 26, 2015, 09:38:04 PM
For GBU, I have:
A) the MGM DVD (1998)
B) the MGM special extended cut DVD (first released in 2004; I got it in "The Sergio Leone Anthology" 2007 boxset)
C) MGM's original BRD (first released in 2009, I got it in "The Man With No Name Trilogy" 2010 boxset)
D) the Mondo BRD (2009)
E) MGM's second BRD (2014)

so yeah, I'm kinda nuts, too. And if they continue to release new versions I'll probably buy every one, even if they are awful.

I think for me it's:

MGM DVD (1998)
MGM DVD Extended cut (2004)
Sergio Leone Anthology
MGM original Bluray
Remastered Bluray

I can see me buying a sixth copy if they release another trilogy or Leone anthology with remastered transfers for FOD, FAFDM and DYS. I've basically accepted it at this point.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 26, 2015, 09:47:27 PM
I think for me it's:

MGM DVD (1998)
MGM DVD Extended cut (2004)
Sergio Leone Anthology
MGM original Bluray
Remastered Bluray

I can see me buying a sixth copy if they release another trilogy or Leone anthology with remastered transfers for FOD, FAFDM and DYS. I've basically accepted it at this point.



isn't the "MGM DVD Extended cut (2004)" identical to the GBU disc in "The Sergio Leone Anthology" DVD boxset?


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: T.H. on January 26, 2015, 09:50:52 PM
Yeah. I bought the anthology because FOD, FAFDM were remastered and DYS was finally being released on R1 DVD.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 26, 2015, 10:07:48 PM
I think for me it's:

MGM DVD (1998)
MGM DVD Extended cut (2004)
Sergio Leone Anthology
MGM original Bluray
Remastered Bluray



so you're missing the Mondo BRD.

It's region-free, but it only has Italian audio.

I haven't really watched the Mondo BRD yet; I've only watched a minute or two of the opening scene on the Mondo BRD, but comparing it from memory to the original MGM BRD, the dirt of the ghost town is redder in the MGM and browner in the Mondo.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 26, 2015, 10:14:07 PM
Yeah. I bought the anthology because FOD, FAFDM were remastered and DYS was finally being released on R1 DVD.

so if I own The Sergio Leone Anthology boxset and the 1998 MGM DVD of GBU, there is no need for me to get any other DVD's of any of the movies in the dollars trilogy, correct? I.e., there is nothing to be gained by me getting the original MGM DVD's of FOD/FAFDM, or any of the European DVD's of FOD/FAFDM/GBU?


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: T.H. on January 27, 2015, 03:35:22 PM
DJ is probably your guy to ask about any European release, but sadly I really don't find any difference between the remastered DVDs of FOD + FAFDM and their blurays. I popped both into my TV and compared and I honestly didn't notice a difference. Some may disagree but sadly only the R1 blus of GBU (4K), West and America (which badly needs a 4K release) are really relevant.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: stanton on January 28, 2015, 05:36:24 AM
The latest German Blu/DVD of FAFDM is completely uncut, and was made from a different, master than the MGM stuff. FoD is also from a different master. But the bonus material was taken from the MGM discs.

GBU (just like OUTW and DYS) is always the same version worldwide, except Italy.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 28, 2015, 12:31:54 PM
The latest German Blu/DVD of FAFDM is completely uncut, and was made from a different, master than the MGM stuff.
Does it look better, or pretty much the same? Is it worth having ONLY for the uncut footage?


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: stanton on January 28, 2015, 12:42:54 PM
I haven't compared, and actually never considered to buy any other Blu.

The missing footage was not very important for me. Apart from being uncut I bought it because it has the 2nd German dub and was cheap.

The 2nd dub has changed some parts of the score (well, you know the Germans know everything better ;) ), and there is one scene I love with that whydidn'tLeonethoughtofthat scoring.

The Blu looks pretty grainy, more than it probably should look imo on a 42" TV, but then, some say it's the best release worldwide.

For FoD I keep my beautiful DVD for the next years, even if the Blu might be a slight upgrade. On a 42" TV good DVDs are still sufficient.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 28, 2015, 05:42:02 PM
DJ is probably your guy to ask about any European release, but sadly I really don't find any difference between the remastered DVDs of FOD + FAFDM and their blurays. I popped both into my TV and compared and I honestly didn't notice a difference. Some may disagree but sadly only the R1 blus of GBU (4K), West and America (which badly needs a 4K release) are really relevant.


you should get the Ripley's Italian BRD of FOD. Someone is selling it on Amazon for less than $26 inlcuding shipping http://www.amazon.com/Per-Un-Pugno-Dollari-Italian/dp/B00416RQLA/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1422491621&sr=1-1&keywords=per+un+pugno+di+dollari

the BRD is region-free and you will be able to watch the main feature on any US BRD player (the bonus features are in PAL so you may not be able to watch them)  it is absolutely gorgeous, this is the disc I use anytime I want to watch FOD. check out Beaver's screencap comparisons between the MGM BRD and this Ripley's BRD http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film3/blu-ray_reviews51/man_with_no_name_trilogy_blu-ray.htm


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 28, 2015, 05:42:29 PM
I assume the uncut footage stanton is talking about features (some or all of) the longer beating scene, and that extra bit of dialogue at the end of it where Groggy asks Indio, "Why let them live" and Indio replies, "All things in the right time." LeoneNut has compiled this extra stuff into this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCQp9rnsuEk

stanton, can you tell us if the uncut footage in the German disc features anything that is not on this LeoneNut video? Thanks


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: stanton on January 29, 2015, 02:37:56 AM
It's all minor stuff, but the situation is chaotic as every version seems to be different, at least slightly.

The differences between the MGM Blu and the Mondo Blu:

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=558168

As fas as I know all this stuff is now on the German Blu. One scene was only on the MGM Blu, not on the Mondo. The German Blu is therefore a few sec. longer than the Mondo.

But I'm sure the next MGM Blu will contain all these scenes also. Just wait.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 29, 2015, 03:00:17 AM
is there anything on the German BRD that is not on that LeoneNut video I linked to in my previous post?


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: stanton on January 29, 2015, 03:31:42 AM
Haven't you checked the link to censorship.com? It's all there.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 29, 2015, 04:24:09 AM
yes I checked that link but that link compares the Italian and UK BRD's, not the US and German like we are discussing here. (The US version is never mentioned on that page – is the UK BRD mentioned there the same as the US BRD?) They do mention the German BRD in that initial paragraph but there is a lot of stuff about the various versions for each of the trims and it would be so much easier for me if you were able to simply answer – if you knew the answer to - this question: Is there anything missing from the American BRD that is also not on that LeoneNut video? I want to know if, between the American BRD and that LeoneNut video, I have every bit of footage ever released from FAFDM; or if there is stuff that is missing from the American BRD besides for what is in that LeoneNut video. Put differently, is there anything missing from the American BRD besides for the beating scene and the dialogue immediately following the beating scene?

p.s. are we to assume that the Italian version of this movie is Leone's intended version?


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: stanton on January 29, 2015, 05:39:55 AM
Yes, everything described in the link. All MGM discs (all discs for the English speaking market) are always the same. Most likely also for the whole world except Italy, Germany and maybe Spain (the 3 co-producing countries) for FOD and FAFDM.
Whatever, all UK discs have always the same content as the US discs, for every Leone western except probably MNIN. Only the runtimes vary for DVDs (not Blus) due to Pal and NTSC.

To clarify: The German disc contains all stuff from that link. The Italian disc probably misses one 3 sec shot (big deal) and the MGM Blu has this 3 sec shot, but misses the other stuff of the link.

But I haven't checked myself, I took my infos from various sources. And this is how I understand it all.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 29, 2015, 06:02:11 AM
Interesting, but the only thing I care about is image quality. Does the German blu look better than the MGM?


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 29, 2015, 09:10:45 AM
So between the MGM BRD and the LeoneNut vid, I have every second of available footage from FAFDM?

(I'm just curious, this isn't a huge deal either way. A few seconds here or there aren't gonna cause me to lose any sleep. Although I don't understand why they cut the dialogue of Groggy asking Indio "why let them live?" and Indio replying "everything in its right time." That is meaningful dialogue. Not a game-changer, but a little head-scratching as to why they'd delete it.)


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: noodles_leone on January 29, 2015, 10:05:09 AM
30min making of on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bbzUZuxEB8


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: T.H. on January 29, 2015, 10:49:32 AM
you should get the Ripley's Italian BRD of FOD. Someone is selling it on Amazon for less than $26 inlcuding shipping http://www.amazon.com/Per-Un-Pugno-Dollari-Italian/dp/B00416RQLA/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1422491621&sr=1-1&keywords=per+un+pugno+di+dollari

the BRD is region-free and you will be able to watch the main feature on any US BRD player (the bonus features are in PAL so you may not be able to watch them)  it is absolutely gorgeous, this is the disc I use anytime I want to watch FOD. check out Beaver's screencap comparisons between the MGM BRD and this Ripley's BRD http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film3/blu-ray_reviews51/man_with_no_name_trilogy_blu-ray.htm

Thanks so much. I'm going to have to seriously consider this because of the English track. For non-Leone spags I usually prefer to watch them with English subs but I wouldn't want to do that for Leone's movies. I've seen them too many times and watched them on TV when I was a kid. It would be odd watching the Italian versions.

Does anyone know if there are any similar region free upgrades for FAFDM and/or DYS?


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 29, 2015, 11:34:16 AM


Does anyone know if there are any similar region free upgrades for FAFDM and/or DYS?

I don't know about DYS.
The great thing about that Ripley's FOD is that it has the English audio.

FAFDM and GBU also have an Italian BRD that is region-free – it's the Mondo one, which I believe was the first Italian BRd of those titles to be released (I am not sure about the subsequent releases) – but there is no English audio on those. I own both of them. I haven't watched the FAFDM yet; I've only watched a few minutes of the opening scene of GBU, but I can tell you that whereas the dirt looks red in the MGM, it looks brown in the Mondo. You can decide for yourself which is more accurate. So if you buy those Mondo BRD's of FAFDM/GBU – and they are indeed region-free – you don't get the English audio.

But that Ripley's FOD has the English audio, and there is nothing to think about. For 26 bucks it's a no-brainer. Buy it today and then you can thank me later. No Leone fan should be without it. If you can only take one version of FOD with you when you are marooned on the island, this is the version you'll wanna take. Get it and don't think twice.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: T.H. on January 29, 2015, 01:02:00 PM
Yeah, it's a no-brainer.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 29, 2015, 01:31:52 PM
But that Ripley's FOD has the English audio, and there is nothing to think about. For 26 bucks it's a no-brainer. Buy it today and then you can thank me later. No Leone fan should be without it. If you can only take one version of FOD with you when you are marooned on the island, this is the version you'll wanna take. Get it and don't think twice.
I am 100% down with everything Drink just said. O0


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: titoli on January 29, 2015, 04:24:49 PM
It seems from these articles that Gent kept most of the money - he either killed the others involved or he cut them in for less than they should have gotten.... The Pesci character is based on Tommy DeSimone, i believe his body was never found (i.e. the way he is killed in Goodfellas is just the movie version). The movie doesn't say how much Pesci was involved in Lufthansa. But obviously, Pesci and Liotta had no problems with De Niro over Lufthansa



Here things are explained well. De Simone was in the heist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cN2lufG2HU


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 29, 2015, 09:36:06 PM
so as I mentioned, the original Italian BRD's of FOD (Ripley's) FAFDM & GBU (Mondo) are all region-free, even though they are officially listed as Region B. The FOD has English audio, the FAFDM and GBU have neither English audio nor English subtitles.



However, while FOD and FAFDM play fine, there is a problem with the Mondo BRd of GBU. Kinda weird, when the people move across the screen, it looks like they are moving strangely, kind of like in those early cellphone videos where people don't move smoothly but kind of move in steps, you know what I mean, it's not a smooth movement. And when the camera pans, the image doesn't look smooth, either, it's like a wobbly image. I have no idea why this is happening. Does it have anything to do with the movie officially being listed as Region B? All three BRD's are listed officially as Region B, but I was told that they are all region-free and they indeed all play in my Region A Blu-ray player. But only the GBU disc has this problem. Anyone know what I am talking about? Anyone experience a similar problem with the GBU BRD from Mondo?

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on a somewhat related note, I just watched my Mondo BRD of FAFDM also for a minute here or there, and I think the MGM BRD is better - certainly I see no clear advantage for the Mondo, so I'll use the MGM, which has English audio (the Mondo has neither English audio nor English subtitles. I don't have side-by-side screencap comparisons, I am basically comparing from memory, but especially when you consider that the Mndo has neither English audio nor English subtitles, it would have to be far better than the MGM in order for me to use that as my preferred disc for FAFDM. It isn't. In fact, I think MGM is better.

So my preference as an Americans for the Dollars films is:

for FOD, use the Ripley's BRD

for FAFDM, use the MGM BRD

for GBU: if you absolutely must have the mono audio, then use the original MGM DVD from 1998 (the 2014 Fox BRD has atrocious piss image). If you can live without the mono audio, then use the MGM SE DVD.

[If anybody wants to buy a like-new copy of the Fox BRD or Mondo BRD of GBU, I'd be happy to sell it for a good price. PM me ;)]


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: dave jenkins on April 25, 2015, 05:06:43 PM
I'm guessing the top image is the new transfer, the bottom the old: http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=10732740&postcount=996


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: noodles_leone on April 26, 2015, 04:34:19 PM
So which one is clothest to the original, color Wise? The green-Matrix one or the pink-GBU one?


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: dave jenkins on April 26, 2015, 04:46:01 PM
Neither?


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: dave jenkins on April 28, 2015, 01:23:35 PM
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/GoodFellas-Blu-ray/122386/#Review

They give the PQ 4.5/5:
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Under Scorsese's supervision, Goodfellas has been newly scanned at 4k resolution from the original camera negative ("OCN"), then color-corrected in the digital domain. Having never watched the 2007 Blu-ray release (although I've seen the film many times), I came to this version fresh, and the presentation is spectacular. Clarity, sharpness and densities are superb. The blacks are deep, and the contrast is excellent. Colors are wonderfully saturated, without any bleeding, which is especially important due to the frequent and strategic use of bright red lighting. Key scenes at night, such as the opening sequence with Henry, Tommy and Jimmy driving in a car, then stopping to check the trunk because they hear a noise, look terrific, because the faces and figures are illuminated just enough to stand out from the darkness around them. Large crowd scenes like the wedding of Henry and Karen or their first date at the Copacabana remain detailed even in long shots. As Scorsese says in the letter accompanying this release, he tried to pack every frame "with motion and detail", and this Blu-ray rendition allows all of it to be seen.

A natural-looking grain pattern is readily observable that, in motion, is much finer than may appear when frames are frozen for screenshots. It no doubt helps that Warner has placed all the extras on a second disc and devoted most of a BD-50 to the feature, yielding an average bitrate of 27.33 Mbps, which is a significant improvement over Warner's frequently low rates.
Even so, the screenshots they've posted look, to me, like junk. Maybe it all works better in motion.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 28, 2015, 02:45:21 PM
if Scorsese was overseeing the restoration and has final say, then I guess that means that (unless the film was so eroded that a good restoration is impossible) this is the most authentic look the film can achieve?

Anyway, I've seen the film maybe 20 times on a videotape I made years ago from a showing on Channel 9 TV in New York (with commercials, in 4:3, curses overdubbed, violence toned down, etc.) and then I bought the original BRD and saw it once on that. So I guess I won't be too picky over how this BRD looks.

Anyway, DJ, I tell you this again and again: Don't get too caught up on screencaps. So much is affected by the system that the disc is viewed on. Bad screencaps may make you skeptical if you have nothing else to go on, but my very unprofessional opinion without knowing jack about technology is don't get too caught up in screencaps.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: dave jenkins on April 29, 2015, 05:54:07 AM
if Scorsese was overseeing the restoration and has final say, then I guess that means that (unless the film was so eroded that a good restoration is impossible) this is the most authentic look the film can achieve?
That's the theory. But I took a look again the other night at the "restoration" of OUATITW on Blu-ray, and if Marty could screw us on that, he might screw us on Goodfellas.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 29, 2015, 06:46:00 AM
That's the theory. But I took a look again the other night at the "restoration" of OUATITW on Blu-ray, and if Marty could screw us on that, he might screw us on Goodfellas.

what's your problem with OUATITW? The colors or the cut?
I believe his cut is from a special print that Leone personally gave him. (According to Frayling, when Leone offered Robert de Niro the role in OUATIA, and de Niro was deciding if he should sign up, he borrowed that print of OUATITW from Scorsese and watched it, so he could see Leone's work.) of course, if Leone gave him that print, one wonders why the Harmonica Rising scene is in there. Is it possible Leone really wanted that scene to be in the movie? Or was that print a 'director's cut' with all available scenes and not intended to be the final cut Leone preferred to have shown in theaters?


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: stanton on April 29, 2015, 07:40:58 AM
Scorsese's aim was to restore the theatrical version, at least that's what I read. And that's what he not really did.

Leone's print is the longer one released on some Italian discs.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: dave jenkins on April 29, 2015, 09:27:30 AM
There's that. And also the image on the disc isn't all it should be.

OK, Scorsese isn't actually responsible for disc authoring, I'm just being bitchy, it must be my time of the month. It is disappointing, though, that West is probably the best looking Leone film on Blu and the skin tones are consistently wrong. Why can't Sergio get the respect he deserves?

I'm worried about the skin tones on the new Goodfellas too. As Drink says, you can't put all your trust in screencaps, so the final settling of accounts can't happen until someone on this board sees the images in motion. But it's worrying that the screencaps Blu-ray.com show characters with dodgy-looking complexions.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 29, 2015, 04:12:05 PM
On the OUATITW BRD, do you find that the two versions look different?


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: dave jenkins on April 30, 2015, 01:00:10 PM
I'll have to check again, but aren't the two versions just a single transfer with seamless branching?


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 30, 2015, 01:39:40 PM
I'll have to check again, but aren't the two versions just a single transfer with seamless branching?

yeah, Beaver says "These two cuts are seamlessly branched so the quality is exactly the same in the parallel scenes. "

I just asked cuz I was wondering why you were bashing Marty initially. IF there is a problem with the color in the BRD, it wouldn't necessarily be his fault or have anything to do with his version (which, btw, adds less than a minute to the movie).


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: stanton on May 01, 2015, 04:41:39 AM
yeah, Beaver says "These two cuts are seamlessly branched so the quality is exactly the same in the parallel scenes. "



That's strange too, because what Scorsese wanted was also to get the colors different. If it is the same master for both versions the "bonus" version isn't much more than something to bring the marketing attention to the disc.

As a result I haven't bought the Blu yet, and maybe will not do and wait instead until the next remastered edition will surface (presumably in 2 -4 years)


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: dave jenkins on June 22, 2015, 12:31:55 PM
Drink, tomorrow's 7:00pm show at film forum of the new 4K resto will be intro'd by Nicholas Pileggi (with a Q&A to follow). Probably gonna sell out before you get this message, but, hey, I tried. . . .       


http://filmforum.org/film/goodfellas


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: cigar joe on June 22, 2015, 11:08:49 PM
I walked by there today  :)


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: dave jenkins on June 23, 2015, 09:20:11 AM
Didja get tickets? :D


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: cigar joe on June 23, 2015, 08:33:00 PM
No, stopped by Café Reggio and hung out.  ;)


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 18, 2015, 10:35:41 AM
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GOODFELLAS_HEIST_REVISITED?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

NYC trial revisits infamous heist portrayed in 'Goodfellas'
By TOM HAYS

NEW YORK (AP) -- For decades, prosecutors say, Vincent Asaro managed to keep his role in an infamous mob heist immortalized in the hit movie "Goodfellas" hidden from the outside world while others of his generation were locked up or died gangland deaths.

A frail-looking Asaro finally emerged from the shadows after his arrest last year and will go on trial Monday on charges he pocketed a cut of the $6 million Lufthansa robbery at Kennedy Airport in 1978 - one of the largest cash thefts in American history.

If convicted, he'd become the latest casualty of an erosion of the Mafia's code of silence that has decimated the aging upper echelon of New York City's underworld, sometimes called the "Oldfellas."

Prosecutors at the trial in federal court in Brooklyn will give jurors a lesson in a bygone era when the five Italian Mafia families had a greater appetite for brazen crimes - and deadly payback for betrayals. The defense will counter by accusing the government of using shady turncoat gangsters with faded memories or incentives to lie.

Asaro, 80, who has a history of convictions for lesser mob-related crimes, was arrested again after his cousin, Gaspare Valenti, came forward with new information about the heist and agreed to wear a wire to try to coax admissions out of the reputed longtime member of the Bonanno crime family. Prosecutors haven't revealed why their key witnesses turned on Asaro, though it's believed he may have held a grudge after being cheated out of a cut of Asaro's $750,000 take from the heist, said Jerry Capeci, a Mafia expert who writes the ganglandnews.com web column.

"There were 750,000 reasons for this guy to cooperate," Capeci said.

Valenti, a Bonanno associate who has pleaded guilty to racketeering conspiracy, is expected to take the witness stand to testify about Asaro's alleged role in the Lufthansa heist and a gruesome murder of a suspected mob turncoat. Other witnesses will include former Bonanno boss Joseph Massino, the highest-ranking mobster to ever break the mob's oath of omerta by becoming a government witness.

Asaro was a Bonanno soldier, with the Mafia slogan "death before dishonor" tattooed on his forearm, in late 1978 when hooded gunmen looted a vault in the Lufthansa's cargo terminal and stole about $5 million in untraceable U.S. currency that was being returned to the United States from Germany, along with about $1 million in jewelry.

The theft was orchestrated by James "Jimmy the Gent" Burke - a late Lucchese crime family associate portrayed by Robert De Niro in "Goodfellas" - with the blessing of Asaro, whose crime family considered the airport its turf, court papers said. Afterward, higher ranking conspirators were expected to receive $750,000, "but most did not live to receive their share, either because they were killed or it was never given to them," the papers said.

In one of the recordings made by the cooperating cousin, Asaro complained in a profanity-laced rant, "We never got our right money, what we were supposed to get. ... Jimmy kept everything."

But prosecutors claim Asaro indeed got his money, and blew most of it at the racetrack because of a gambling problem, prosecutors said. As evidence of that, another cooperator "is expected to testify that, following the Heist, he saw the defendant regularly at a local track betting larger amounts than usual and extending extortionate loans," the government said in court papers. Asaro gave Massino, his boss in a Bonanno crew, an attache case filled with gold and jewelry from the heist as a tribute, the papers said.

The windfall set the stage for a bloodbath portrayed in "Goodfellas." De Niro's character became irate over fellow mobsters' purchases of flashy cars and furs, fearing they would attract law enforcement attention, and had some of them whacked - a plot twist based on the inside account of Henry Hill, the mob associate-turned informant played in the film by Ray Liotta.

In addition to the real-life heist, Asaro is charged in the 1969 murder of a suspected law enforcement informant, Paul Katz, whose remains were found during an FBI dig in 2013 at a house once occupied by Burke. Asaro told the cooperator that Burke "had killed Katz with a dog chain because they believed he was a 'rat,'" the court papers said.

Valenti, 68, also told investigators that Asaro and Burke brought Katz's body to a vacant home in Queens where it was concealed beneath a cement floor, the paper said. In the 1980s, at the behest of the imprisoned Burke, Asaro ordered the cooperator to dig up the remains - "a human skull, bones and some corduroy clothing material" - and move them to another location, the papers said.

In the years since the heist and the murder, the Martin Scorsese blockbuster was made, books were written and some of the robbers were convicted or rubbed out. Asaro quietly went about his business and, for a time, got away with it, though his criminal career and personal life were rocky, authorities said.

In the 1990s, the then-captain in the Bonanno family was demoted to soldier because of "his gambling problems and failure to repay debts to those associated with organized crime," court papers said. Prosecutors say at one point, he found himself a subordinate of his mobster son, who rose through the ranks with his help - a favor his father regretted.

"Jerry's for Jerry," Asaro said on one of the tapes. "I lost my son. I lost my son when I made him a skipper. I lost my son when I put him there."

By 2013, "after a series of high-profile Bonanno family members cooperated with law enforcement or were incarcerated," the defendant had been promoted again to captain and won a position on the "panel" or administration running the Bonanno family, court papers said. But by then, the cooperator had come forward to crack open the Lufthansa time capsule and the feds were closing in.

"Sometimes mob secrets never get told," Capeci said. "And sometimes they get told a lifetime later."


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: noodles_leone on October 18, 2015, 11:13:38 AM
I'm going to the Scorsese exhibition in Paris on Wednesday.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 18, 2015, 03:42:29 PM
Have fun!
Ask Marty if any more restoration work on OUATIA is planned ;)


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: noodles_leone on October 18, 2015, 03:49:08 PM
Have fun!
Ask Marty if any more restoration work on OUATIA is planned ;)

I think I missed his masterclass (the other week?) so that will be hard :)


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 12, 2015, 02:21:08 PM
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GOODFELLAS_HEIST_REVISITED?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Aging mobster acquitted in 1978 heist retold in 'Goodfellas'
By TOM HAYS
 
NEW YORK (AP) -- An aging mobster who stayed mostly in the shadows for decades by adhering to the Mafia's strict code of silence was acquitted Thursday of charges he helped plan a legendary 1978 Lufthansa heist retold in the hit film "Goodfellas."
A federal jury reached the verdict at a Brooklyn racketeering trial where it heard testimony that portrayed 80-year-old Vincent Asaro as a throwback to an era when New York's five organized crime families comprised a secret society that committed brazen crimes and settled scores with bloodshed.
Asaro, whose father and grandfather were members of the secretive Bonanno crime family, "was born into that life and he fully embraced it," Assistant U.S. Attorney Alicyn Cooley said in closing arguments. His devotion to the Bonannos "was as permanent as the 'death before dishonor' tattoo on his arm," she added.
The defense accused prosecutors of relying on shady paid cooperators, including Asaro's cousin Gaspare Valenti. They argued that the witnesses had incentive to frame Asaro to escape lengthy prison terms of their own.
"These are despicable people," defense lawyer Elizabeth Macedonio said in her closing. "They are accomplished liars."
At trial, prosecutors described how Asaro rose through the ranks and developed an "unbreakable bond" with the more notorious James "Jimmy the Gent" Burke, the late Lucchese crime family associate who orchestrated the holdup at the Lufthansa cargo terminal at Kennedy Airport. Taking the witness stand last month, Valenti testified that Asaro and Burke killed a suspected informant with a dog chain in 1969 before ordering Valenti to help bury the body.
Valenti also testified that Asaro drafted him for the Lufthansa heist, telling him, "Jimmy Burke has a big score at the airport coming up, and you're invited to go."
When he learned about the mountain of $100 bills and jewels taken from a Lufthansa vault, Asaro was "very happy, really euphoric." Valenti testified. "We thought there was going to be $2 million in cash and there was $6 million."
In the aftermath, Asaro survived a bloodbath portrayed in "Goodfellas," with Robert De Niro's character going ballistic over fellow mobsters' purchases of flashy cars and furs and, fearing they would attract law enforcement attention, having them whacked. Prosecutors claimed he collected at least $500,000 from the score but had a gambling problem and squandered it away at the racetrack.
Jurors heard recordings made by Valenti on which Asaro complained in a profanity-laced rant, "We never got our right money, what we were supposed to get. ... Jimmy kept everything."
He also was taped lamenting, "I'm the only wise guy left in the neighborhood."


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: dave jenkins on November 13, 2015, 06:04:58 AM

In the aftermath, Asaro survived a bloodbath portrayed in "Goodfellas," with Robert De Niro's character going ballistic over fellow mobsters' purchases of flashy cars and furs and, fearing they would attract law enforcement attention, having them whacked.
That's the suggestion the movie makes, but I'm not sure that's what really happened. It's more likely that Jimmy just wanted all the money for himself and whacked his partners so he wouldn't have to divvy up the spoils.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: Dust Devil on November 13, 2015, 11:59:36 AM
I think I missed his masterclass

I think you were afraid.


Title: Re: Goodfellas (1990)
Post by: noodles_leone on November 13, 2015, 12:02:19 PM
I think you were afraid...

... of YOU bullying me once again.