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Title: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Lil Brutto on January 02, 2013, 10:59:14 AM
I presume Universum Film GmBH's BD release of FAFDM (http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00A990CSC/ref=s9_simh_gw_p74_d1_i4?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1TTMBYHEACCFTBJP6B21&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463375173&pf_rd_i=301128) (and FOD) will use the same HD master as the Paramount DVDs released back in 2005 and extensively discussed here (http://forum.spaghetti-western.net/index.php/topic,23.0.html).

Can anyone confirm that the beating scene is still cut?

Stanton, thanks for the heads up by the way. I was hoping to get an update on a BD release from Sebastian and others over at swdb but no one responded for months.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Novecento on January 02, 2013, 07:26:32 PM
Can anyone confirm that the beating scene is still cut?

I guess it will probably be the same. Might want to confirm for others that while it is cut, it is less cut than the MGM release.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: stanton on January 03, 2013, 06:21:13 AM
No. I think it will be uncut this time.
At least they claim it on the cover: "for the first time worldwide in the uncut version"

But we have to wait until it is released to be completerly sure.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Lil Brutto on January 03, 2013, 08:27:39 AM
"Uncut" is what was claimed by TLE Films back in 2005 until those who know better viewed the DVD and noticed the beating scene was still missing some segments. My guess is that Universum has blindly accepted Paramount/TLE's false claim yet the film is still cut. I would be very happy to be proven wrong though.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: stanton on January 03, 2013, 09:47:12 AM
When they say "for the first time" it must be different from the Paramount DVD.

And there was more missing. 3 or 4 short pieces. But nothing which was in any way important.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Lil Brutto on January 03, 2013, 11:35:06 AM
You're right, Manco's intro and Indio laughing after breaking out of jail are also cut on the Paramount DVD.

The Italian BD (Mondo Home Entertainment or MHE) of FAFDM has uncut scenes of Manco and the horse in White Rocks, Indioís laugh post-prison break and the missing dialogue post-beating of Manco and Mortimer.

However, there is is another unsual cut during the beating scene that I don't believe exists in any other home release. During the beating, Manco briefly fights back, gets punched and stumbles back, but there is a cut in the MHE BD at this point and you donít see Manco stumble. Itís a minor cut but just proves that there is not a BD/DVD out there that is totally uncut.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Novecento on January 03, 2013, 08:30:13 PM
At least they claim it on the cover: "for the first time worldwide in the uncut version"

My fingers are tightly crossed  :)


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Lil Brutto on January 03, 2013, 10:37:23 PM
Agreed. From a business standpoint it makes more sense for Universum to release a BD using the HD master restored by TLE Films. After all, TLE did a fine restoration job nearly a decade ago. Wow, has it been THAT long??  :o


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: LINCOLNS GRANDFATHER on January 08, 2013, 03:04:54 AM
Im just happy I kept hold of my VHS copy that has all the missing bits. Only problem is the sound is out of sync for the first kill and opening credits. :(


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Dirty Rat on January 08, 2013, 04:49:25 AM
Im just happy I kept hold of my VHS copy that has all the missing bits. Only problem is the sound is out of sync for the first kill and opening credits. :(
I had that same version and I remember it being out of sync at the beginning.
I gave that and AFFOD to a friend when I bought them on DVD - how I wish I had kept it too............  :'(


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 08, 2013, 05:33:52 AM
Here is the "full length beating scene" courtesy of Leone Nut http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCQp9rnsuEk

Notice the shot of TMWNN getting a boot in the back at 1:39; shortly afterward is the extra line of dialogue, with Groggy asking Indio, "Why let 'em live?" There may be more that is extra; those are just the two that I noticed off the top of my head; I did not do a careful shot-for-shot comparison.

I do know that on the MGM dvd/br here in America, the scene of Indio laughing after he breaks out of prison -- as his face transitions to his Wanted poster -- is trimmed by a few seconds. I believe (but I am not certain) that the few extra seconds of laughter; and the extra shot and dialogue in beating scene, are both available in the bonus features of the dvd.

Other than the beating scene and laughter scene, are there any other scenes/shots missing from the main feature in the MGM disc?


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I purchased the Italian blu ray of FOD fro Ripley's Home Video  (mainly because I saw on Beaver's screencaps that in some instances, the image contains more information than in the MGM version. Also cuz it;s possible that image is better). I discus that blu ray more extensively here http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=8877.msg157834#msg157834

 though it officially says that  disc is Region B; in fact, I was able to confirm before purchase, that the main feature is region-free (the bonus features are indeed Region B, PAL, and in Italian with no subtitles. But I got it for the main feature. Looks beautiful).

So, I am wondering if anyone knows if on any of the the European blu ray of FAFDM, the main feature will be region free as well?


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: LINCOLNS GRANDFATHER on January 08, 2013, 06:26:27 PM
I know its been well documented in earlier posts, but I have to say it - they're filthy double crossing bastards for removing seconds from FAFDM, and as for changing the gun shots on GBU... whoever made that decision, well if ever get them down they're gonna need a lot of help to get back up again.
The only saving grace was when I watched FOD on satellite tv about twenty years ago and they put the cigar burning Clints hand in, I never new this even existed. I nearly had an out of body experience when I watched that scene. It was never on any showings of the film on tv when I was a lad.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: stanton on January 09, 2013, 02:34:10 AM
While the changing of the sound in GBU was done on purpose (for the sake of an unnecessary 5.1. sound), the missing sec. of FaFDM were apparently simply not in the master which was used for the DVD. It seems that there are different masters for FaFDM which are all slightly different. The Italian DVD contains all these snippets, but misses another small part. The Italian Blu seems to be complete, well nearly, there's one whole sec missing.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: dave jenkins on January 09, 2013, 08:54:35 AM
The Italian Blu seems to be complete, well nearly, there's one whole sec missing.
Then, is there any reason to suppose the German blu will be superior to the Italian?


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 09, 2013, 08:58:28 AM
While the changing of the sound in GBU was done on purpose (for the sake of an unnecessary 5.1. sound), the missing sec. of FaFDM were apparently simply not in the master which was used for the DVD. It seems that there are different masters for FaFDM which are all slightly different. The Italian DVD contains all these snippets, but misses another small part. The Italian Blu seems to be complete, well nearly, there's one whole sec missing.

1) which sec is missing in the Italian?


2) Is the Italian FAFDM blu ray region-free?


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: stanton on January 09, 2013, 12:41:41 PM
Then, is there any reason to suppose the German blu will be superior to the Italian?

German audio, the best way to enjoy the film.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: stanton on January 09, 2013, 12:43:32 PM
1) which sec is missing in the Italian?


2) Is the Italian FAFDM blu ray region-free?

1) Must be again in the beating scene, but who cares for that second?

2) No idea


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Novecento on January 09, 2013, 05:51:06 PM
I purchased the Italian blu ray of FOD fro Ripley's Home Video  (mainly because I saw on Beaver's screencaps that in some instances, the image contains more information than in the MGM version. Also cuz it;s possible that image is better). I discus that blu ray more extensively here http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=8877.msg157834#msg157834

 though it officially says that  disc is Region B; in fact, I was able to confirm before purchase, that the main feature is region-free (the bonus features are indeed Region B, PAL, and in Italian with no subtitles. But I got it for the main feature. Looks beautiful).

The Blu-ray is region-free.

Some, but not all, of the extra features are SD and encoded in PAL which will often give people with Region A Blu-ray players problems due to NTSC locking on SD output.

Then, is there any reason to suppose the German blu will be superior to the Italian?

I assume it will include English audio.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 09, 2013, 05:59:42 PM
The Blu-ray is region-free.



you referring to the German or the Italian?


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Lil Brutto on January 09, 2013, 07:22:46 PM
you referring to the German or the Italian?

Italian BD is region free.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: stanton on January 10, 2013, 01:56:47 AM


I assume it will include English audio.

It will, and maybe better picture quality.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: dave jenkins on January 10, 2013, 11:33:57 AM
Hmm, I'm almost sold. I've got the MNIN blu on order. I guess if that turns out well, I'll be willing to take a chance on this.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 10, 2013, 12:54:16 PM
Italian BD is region free.

this bluy ray disc here http://www.amazon.com/Per-Qualche-Dollaro-Clint-Eastwood/dp/B003N8OLN8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1357847604&sr=8-1&keywords=per+qualche+dollaro+in+piu+blu+ray


but will it play on my American blu ray player, or is the main feature in PAL only?


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Novecento on January 10, 2013, 07:28:49 PM
you referring to the German or the Italian?

Some of the bonus features on the region-free Italian BD of FOD are encoded at 576p (PAL) in Standard definition. Your Region A BD player most likely only outputs 480p (NTSC), hence it won't output the 576p signal. This is to do with your BD player and not your TV.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 10, 2013, 07:39:29 PM
I got the Ripley's blu ray disc of FOD; the main feature plays just fine in my blu ray player. (I was told that the bonus features are region B-PAL; and they are in Italian anyway, so I have never tried them. I am not concerned about bonus features). I just wanna know if I can be sure that the FAFDM blu ray disc will be the same, that the main feature will play in my American  blu ray player?


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Novecento on January 10, 2013, 07:46:25 PM
I was told that the bonus features are region B-PAL...

The disc (which houses the movie and extra features) is region-free not region B. Some of the extras on the region free (not region-B) disc are encoded in PAL.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: El_Chuncho on January 15, 2013, 05:06:59 AM
I have mentioned this in previous threads regarding this highly irritating issue but....

I bought the German boxed set of FOD and FAFDM a few years back (it came in a "dynamite box" with various freebies) and it was the most complete version of FAFDM on dvd I have seen.
It is NOT as complete as the old VHS you could get in the last century (I still have my copy) but it did have the beating scene in its entirety put back so was better than the terrible UK and US releases.

However....
It still had an out of sync Manco walking into White Rocks in the rain and the pointless cutting short of Indio's maniacal laugh post-breakout.

In short an improvement, but not nearly uncut.

I can only presume that as this new bluray is also a German release and from the same company (and with the same artwork as the dvd) that the cut of the film will be the same.
Hope I'm wrong....and I'm sorely tempted to roll the dice and give it a go but to be honest I think I've finally given up on this, my favourite ever film, being released unmolested.

Amazing, what just a few seconds less of film can do eh??


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: dave jenkins on January 15, 2013, 08:21:58 AM
I just wanna know if I can be sure that the FAFDM blu ray disc will be the same, that the main feature will play in my American  blu ray player?
I don't know if you're referring to the Italian or the German versions, but it is likely that both discs are Region B. Good thing I have a region-switching Blu-ray player.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Lil Brutto on January 15, 2013, 11:07:29 AM
I have mentioned this in previous threads regarding this highly irritating issue but....

I bought the German boxed set of FOD and FAFDM a few years back...

...but it did have the beating scene in its entirety put back so was better than the terrible UK and US releases.


The beating scene in the German DVD box set is not uncut. It's still missing a few seconds (e.g. Clint getting booted in the back).


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: stanton on January 15, 2013, 12:13:05 PM


I can only presume that as this new bluray is also a German release and from the same company (and with the same artwork as the dvd) that the cut of the film will be the same.



It is not the same company as already mentioned in this thread.

Yet the fact of the "fully uncut for the first time worldwide" sticker on the cover indicates that they know about the cuts and have hopefully solved the problem.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: El_Chuncho on January 15, 2013, 04:33:24 PM
It is not the same company as already mentioned in this thread.

Yet the fact of the "fully uncut for the first time worldwide" sticker on the cover indicates that they know about the cuts and have hopefully solved the problem.


I stand corrected.
Still not holding my breath though.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 15, 2013, 04:34:51 PM
any word on whether the main feature of this blu ray will be region free and playable on American blu ray players? (I assume it will have original English audio)


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: stanton on January 15, 2013, 05:08:12 PM
Let's just wait until it is released. Then we will see.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 27, 2013, 02:29:14 AM
The disc (which houses the movie and extra features) is region-free not region B. Some of the extras on the region free (not region-B) disc are encoded in PAL.

Thanks!

So I purchased the blu ray http://www.amazon.com/Per-Qualche-Dollaro-Clint-Eastwood/dp/B003N8OLN8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359278877&sr=8-1&keywords=per+qualche+dollaro+in+pi%C3%B9+blu+ray

I await it eagerly  :)


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 27, 2013, 02:39:38 AM
1) Are all the versions of FOD currently on dvd/br in various countries identical? (I'm talking about scenes, not audio/video quality).  Frayling has spoken about at least one scene of FOD that was shot but then cut (the Baxters at dinner with the Rojos); I am wondering if that ever made it into any version of the movie that viewers were able to see? or are there any other scenes/shots in any dvd/br of FOD that is different from those versions in another country/region?

2) In America:  Are the MGM Special edition versions of FOD and FAFDM that were released in the past decade (and also packaged as part of "The Sergio Leone Anthology" boxset) identical to the versions of FOD and FAFDM released on individual, bare-bones dvd in the late 90's?


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Novecento on January 27, 2013, 07:12:13 AM
Thanks!

So I purchased the blu ray http://www.amazon.com/Per-Qualche-Dollaro-Clint-Eastwood/dp/B003N8OLN8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359278877&sr=8-1&keywords=per+qualche+dollaro+in+pi%C3%B9+blu+ray

I await it eagerly  :)

I'm afraid you misunderstood. I was quite clearly responding to your comments about the Italian Fistful of Dollars BD.

I don't own the Italian release of FAFDM. However, a quick check here says that it is region free with Italian audio only:

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Per-Qualche-Dollaro-In-Piu-Blu-ray/9132/


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 27, 2013, 10:34:59 AM
aiight, I'll see when I get it; if it's wrong, I can always sell it


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Lil Brutto on January 27, 2013, 11:44:27 AM
I have the Mondo BD of FAFDM. It's region free.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Lil Brutto on January 27, 2013, 11:59:54 AM
1) Are all the versions of FOD currently on dvd/br in various countries identical? (I'm talking about scenes, not audio/video quality).  Frayling has spoken about at least one scene of FOD that was shot but then cut (the Baxters at dinner with the Rojos); I am wondering if that ever made it into any version of the movie that viewers were able to see? or are there any other scenes/shots in any dvd/br of FOD that is different from those versions in another country/region?

2) In America:  Are the MGM Special edition versions of FOD and FAFDM that were released in the past decade (and also packaged as part of "The Sergio Leone Anthology" boxset) identical to the versions of FOD and FAFDM released on individual, bare-bones dvd in the late 90's?

1) Based on my scrutiny of FOD in DVD/BD format available around the world (and my recollection since I haven't watched them in quite some time), the cut is the same. I found no differences in any scenes. I recall reading that SL used all footage that was shot.

However, the beating scene on one of the laserdiscs is cut big time and the audio is out of sync as a result for a few minutes afterwards. Very crude. I'd have to dust my (MGM, MGM SE, CVC, Mondo) DVDs off and re-examine the beating scene to be 100% sure that none of them are cut (but I'm pretty confident it was only the laserdisc that was affected). I'm willing to do that if you wish. Let me know.

Is it known if the dinner scene was completed and subsequently cut? I don't think there's any definitive info on this.

2) FOD is the same but I'd have to re-watch the 90s DVD and compare it with the SE, but your answer can probably be found on this site:

http://www.forafewdollarsmore.net/


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 27, 2013, 12:31:45 PM
1) Based on my scrutiny of FOD in DVD/BD format available around the world (and my recollection since I haven't watched them in quite some time), the cut is the same. I found no differences in any scenes. I recall reading that SL used all footage that was shot.

However, the beating scene on one of the laserdiscs is cut big time and the audio is out of sync as a result for a few minutes afterwards. Very crude. I'd have to dust my (MGM, MGM SE, CVC, Mondo) DVDs off and re-examine the beating scene to be 100% sure that none of them are cut (but I'm pretty confident it was only the laserdisc that was affected). I'm willing to do that if you wish. Let me know.

Is it known if the dinner scene was completed and subsequently cut? I don't think there's any definitive info on this.

2) FOD is the same but I'd have to re-watch the 90s DVD and compare it with the SE, but your answer can probably be found on this site:

http://www.forafewdollarsmore.net/

Thanks.

I'm not worried about videotapes or laserdiscs, I'm just focusing on the dvd's and blu rays.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 27, 2013, 12:32:29 PM
I have the Mondo BD of FAFDM. It's region free.

but there's no English audio? are there English subtitles?


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Lil Brutto on January 27, 2013, 01:04:09 PM
No and no.   :'(


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 04, 2013, 09:30:51 PM
okay, I just received that (Mondo) Italian blu ray of FAFDM http://www.amazon.com/Per-Qualche-Dollaro-Clint-Eastwood/dp/B003N8OLN8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359278877&sr=8-1&keywords=per+qualche+dollaro+in+pi%C3%B9+blu+ray
As Novocento and Honest Farmer said, the disc is region free, but the only language is Italian; there's no English audio or subtitles. Kinda sucks (the beautiful Ripley's FOD blu ray had English audio; why couldn't the fuckers at Mondo do the same?!). Being such a huge fan of the movie though [and only a slight nerd about this shit], I'm still happy to have the various versions.

(As for image quality, it's hard for me to compare with the MGM American blu ray cuz I don't have 2 screens where I could compare 'em side by side; I am basically just comparing it from memory, which is not a very good way of doing things, but I think that the Mondo image is somewhat less sharp, like the color looks a little more faded, not as sharp and bright as the MGM. I only watched a few minutes of it, maybe the other reels are different, but based on this very cursory glance, I believe the MGM blu ray image is superior. Doesn't matter for me anyway, I'll only be watching the MGM one cuz I don't speak Italian).


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: depp91 on February 05, 2013, 01:28:44 PM
There's a comparison between the US BluRay and the Italien BluRay here:
http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?cID=666#auswahl

Hopefully, they'll add a comparison to the German BluRay, too.
On this site you will also find comparisons fŁr FOD and GBU, by the way.

I live in Germany and have preordered both the FOD and FAFDM BluRays and if I'm not busy I will give you a quick info on the quality when I've received them!


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: dave jenkins on February 05, 2013, 03:26:59 PM
Interesting. Going by the screen caps comparison I'd say the US disc shows details better, the Italian disc has better colors.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 05, 2013, 06:42:32 PM
if that screencap comparison is accurate, it looks to me like the MGM version has much better color; the Mondo version is much hazier.

However, I don't remember the image being nearly as grainy as these caps show


btw, I only saw a few minutes of the Mondo version, does anyone know if it's the same version of the movie as the MGM one, or are there are additional scenes/shots?  is the beating scene identical?


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: depp91 on February 15, 2013, 10:02:50 AM
btw, I only saw a few minutes of the Mondo version, does anyone know if it's the same version of the movie as the MGM one, or are there are additional scenes/shots?  is the beating scene identical?

No it's not exactly the same version. For further information, please take a look here:
UK BD - Italian BD: http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=558168 (http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=558168)
IT BD - German TV Version: http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=564548 (http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=564548)
UK DVD - German DVD: http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=3716 (http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=3716)


BTW the release date of the German BluRays has been postponed to Jan 22nd!


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Jordan Krug on February 21, 2013, 10:35:17 AM


BTW the release date of the German BluRays has been postponed to Jan 22nd!
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Next year?



Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Lil Brutto on February 21, 2013, 10:39:16 AM
Feb 22, 2013 according to amazon.de



Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: depp91 on February 22, 2013, 06:27:41 AM
Yes I meant Feb 22nd of course, sorry for the misinformation!

I received FAFDM today and I have to say I'm impressed. I was only able to take a quick look, but there are a few things I noticed:
- Picture quality: about as grainy and sharp as the MGM BD, colors are in between the MGM BD and the Italian BD, contains a lot of speckles and dirt (don't know how it compares to the MGM BD in that department), my overall impression is that it's far better than the Italian BD. The speckles might be disturbing for many, though.
- The cut: I can confirm that it contains the scene where Eastwood enters the saloon (about 6seconds), which is cut from the MGM version. It seems they inserted this scene from another source, as it is less grainy - maybe from the Italian BD? Don't know... I can't say anything about the beating scene yet.
- The main titles: In English, German main titles are available in the bonus features
- Soundtracks: There's English original mono and a 5.1 upmix, as well as two different German dubs

I guess I will order FAFOD now, as I heard rumours that they took the Italian BD as a source, which is much better than the one MGM used.
Rumours that the FAFDM BD utilizes the Italian master except for the English main titles, as someone suggested on a German forum, are definitely wrong!!!


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Lil Brutto on February 22, 2013, 08:21:39 AM
Thanks for the info. Does it appear to be the same master as the Tobis DVD?


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: depp91 on February 22, 2013, 09:37:16 AM
Further observations!

First of all, these are the releases I will refer to in the following text:
Paramount DVD (Germany, 2005)
MGM BD (US, UK, etc.)
Mondo BD (Italy)
Universum BD (Germany, 2013)
Additionally, there's a remastered version in Germany that usually airs on Kabel1.


This comparison is going to be extremely complicated, as there are so many different remastered versions of FAFDM by now, all of them differing in certain aspects. I hope I can sort all of this out in this post. So...

Here are three screencaps of the Universum BD which you can compare to their MGM BD and Mondo BD counterparts at http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?cID=666#auswahl (http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?cID=666#auswahl).
http://s20.postimage.org/5twso1u3x/PDVD_006.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/5twso1u3x/PDVD_006.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/qn8e3y1f1/PDVD_025.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/qn8e3y1f1/PDVD_025.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/3zojk1wh9/PDVD_016.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/3zojk1wh9/PDVD_016.jpg)

This should give you an overall impression of the Universum BD.
To show that there are many instances of dirt and speckles, here's one example, look at the sky:
http://s20.postimage.org/kfntcaqwd/PDVD_008.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/kfntcaqwd/PDVD_008.jpg)

The main titles stem from an inferior source (in comparison to the main bulk of the movie) on both all releases:
Universum BD: http://s20.postimage.org/wznjds4h9/PDVD_024.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/wznjds4h9/PDVD_024.jpg)
Mondo BD: http://s20.postimage.org/tff4y6ca5/PDVD_000.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/tff4y6ca5/PDVD_000.jpg)

Unfortunately, the famous quote "Where life has no value..." is translated into German on the Universum BD, and there's no way to view it in English:
http://s20.postimage.org/lynsv0mul/PDVD_023.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/lynsv0mul/PDVD_023.jpg)
On the Mondo BD, it's is missing altogether. I don't have any idea if it has ever been part of the Italian version, I have to admit.

Now let's take a look at the different cuts...
This shot ist cut short on the MGM BD and the Paramount DVD, the Mondo BD does contain it however, as well as the Kabel1 version on German TV. On the new Universum BD, it was inserted in full length from the Mondo BD probably:
http://s20.postimage.org/472zp2sod/PDVD_000.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/472zp2sod/PDVD_000.jpg)
Another interesting thing is the sound. When Clint raises his head and we can see his head for the first time, thunder roars. On old remastered MGM DVDs and the Paramount DVD, this sound came too early. It was corrected for the MGM BD. However it comes too early on both English soundtracks of the Universum BD, while it is correct on the German soundtracks and also of course on the Italian soundtrack of the Mondo BD.

The longer laughter of Indio is also there on the new Universum BD, ported over from the Mondo BD probably. It is missing on the Paramount DVD and the MGM BD. There's one interesting thing here, though. On the Mondo BD, the whole prison scene starts at night and ends at dawn, while on the other versions, the whole scene takes place at night.
Universum BD: http://s20.postimage.org/tfsewhmzx/PDVD_002.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/tfsewhmzx/PDVD_002.jpg)
Mondo BD: http://s20.postimage.org/d6ywop3fx/PDVD_002.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/d6ywop3fx/PDVD_002.jpg)
I guess they had to filter the scene on the Universum BD in order to adjust it to the rest.

The scene of Clint grabbing the boy is also longer on the Mondo BD and has therefore been inserted on the Universum BD:
http://s20.postimage.org/owg6az54d/PDVD_004.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/owg6az54d/PDVD_004.jpg)
Please note that the shot I've provided is also part of the other releases, it's just 1,5s of the scene which are longer here.

There's another extended scene, which has also been taken from the Mondo BD in order to make the Universum BD complete:
http://s20.postimage.org/btkjrpewd/PDVD_005.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/btkjrpewd/PDVD_005.jpg)
As before, this shot is also part of the other releases, however in this version the shot is 4,5s longer.
There are strange things going on with the music at the end of this scene.
On the Universum BD, the music is faded out very abruptly on both German soundtracks and the English mono soundtrack. On the English 5.1 upmix, it lingers until the beginning of the next scene and kind of serves as a bridge. On the Italian soundtrack of the Mondo BD, it simply stops before the next scene begins.

And now... the famous beating scene. This is going to be hard to describe...
Fact is, that none of the former releases featured the complete scene. Until now. Combining different sources, the Universum BD is able to present this scene in its complete form for the first time. I'll try to cover the most important aspects of the different versions of this scene, but it is complicated...

Only one little thing is missing on the Mondo BD, it has however been part of the Paramount DVD all along and if I remember correctly also of the MGM BD. It's simply the end of this shot (1s only):
http://s20.postimage.org/6kpittwh9/PDVD_007.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/6kpittwh9/PDVD_007.jpg)

The scene of Indio gettin a grimmer face and Monco being kicked in the back is there in its complete form. It was missing on the MGM BD and parts of if were missing on the Paramount DVD.
http://s20.postimage.org/q92yxild9/PDVD_002_2.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/q92yxild9/PDVD_002_2.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/gpta41xv1/PDVD_003_2.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/gpta41xv1/PDVD_003_2.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/j8ez4qjl9/PDVD_004_2.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/j8ez4qjl9/PDVD_004_2.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/ilg2f7mp9/PDVD_006_2.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/ilg2f7mp9/PDVD_006_2.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/qkftwjcfh/PDVD_001_2.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/qkftwjcfh/PDVD_001_2.jpg)

Then, after Indio has jumped off the wall, there was one face shot missing on the Paramount DVD:
http://s20.postimage.org/q2p9ufc8d/PDVD_007_2.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/q2p9ufc8d/PDVD_007_2.jpg)
It is part of the Mondo BD, while I think the scene as a whole is missing on the MGM BD.

The shot back to Indio and his comrades stems from an inferior source on all of the releases that contain it, namely the Paramount DVD, the Mondo BD and the Universum BD.
Universum BD: http://s20.postimage.org/ccq57vzql/PDVD_000_2.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/ccq57vzql/PDVD_000_2.jpg)
Mondo BD: http://s20.postimage.org/9gz9vsrl9/PDVD_008.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/9gz9vsrl9/PDVD_008.jpg)

The end titles, as the main titles, also come from an inferiour source on problably all remastered versions.
Universum BD: http://s20.postimage.org/8zlzs023x/PDVD_017.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/8zlzs023x/PDVD_017.jpg)
Mondo BD: http://s20.postimage.org/b7iaxa94d/PDVD_006.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/b7iaxa94d/PDVD_006.jpg)

Last but not least, here are several more screencaps from the new Universum BD:
http://s20.postimage.org/nq7kyfrfx/PDVD_001.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/nq7kyfrfx/PDVD_001.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/rwx0rigfh/PDVD_009.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/rwx0rigfh/PDVD_009.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/3ug6wmzsd/PDVD_010.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/3ug6wmzsd/PDVD_010.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/sc8akj2ct/PDVD_011.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/sc8akj2ct/PDVD_011.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/5c68lxtwt/PDVD_012.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/5c68lxtwt/PDVD_012.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/wba3h3gdp/PDVD_015.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/wba3h3gdp/PDVD_015.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/hj5dpragd/PDVD_018.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/hj5dpragd/PDVD_018.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/6ndzuepil/PDVD_021.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/6ndzuepil/PDVD_021.jpg)

To sum up:
I'm totally fine with the picture quality. Although there are so many speckles, the overall quality is still a lot better than the Mondo BD in terms of sharpness, color and contrast. And yes, this really is the first release of this amazing in its uncut form. Finally!!!!
There only two sad things about this release:
- Universum felt they had to translate the "Where life has no value..."-phrase into German
- The thunder sound isn't in its right place when we see Monco for the first time
(And the ugly cover art, probably.)

PS: I'm sorry that the screencaps are not in their original size. I uploaded them at postimage.org which said it wouldn't resize them, but obviously it did. SORRY!


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: depp91 on February 22, 2013, 09:41:33 AM
Thanks for the info. Does it appear to be the same master as the Tobis DVD?

It contains the Tobis and the MGM logo at the beginning, so I guess yes.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: El_Chuncho on February 22, 2013, 09:53:03 AM
It contains the Tobis and the MGM logo at the beginning, so I guess yes.

Thanks for the excellent and in depth analysis Depp91! O0
Looks like they still haven't got it right though...I'm seriously considering getting my old VHS copy transferred to DVD now.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 22, 2013, 10:13:49 AM
6 years ago, LeoneNut uploaded this video to Youtube of what he called the "full length beating scene" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCQp9rnsuEk
In the description, he says that this video is pieced together from various sources; (in some shots, it is not in the proper 2:35:1 aspect ratio; those shots must have been taken from pan-and-scanned versions of the movie).

I know of at least two things you see in this video that is not in the MGM dvd or blu ray disc: A) the shot of TMWNN getting the boot in the back, and B) the bit of dialogue between Indio and Groggy. There may be more.

is it possible for you to compare the scene from this Youtube video to the scene as shown in the German blu ray and the Italian blu ray, and to tell us if the YouTube video is actually identical to the European blu ray disc(s), or in what ways they differ?
 I would really love to know for certain whether there are any additional shots that are missing from this YouTube video, or whether this YouTube video really contains the fullest version of the beating scene. Thanks!


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Lil Brutto on February 22, 2013, 10:48:59 AM
6 years ago, LeoneNut uploaded this video to Youtube of what he called the "full length beating scene" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCQp9rnsuEk
In the description, he says that this video is pieced together from various sources; (in some shots, it is not in the proper 2:35:1 aspect ratio; those shots must have been taken from pan-and-scanned versions of the movie).

LeoneNut spliced in cut scenes from the 1st edition of the CVC DVD, which is long out of print. The image is cropped (not pan&scan) and of poor quality. This is the only DVD with the full beating scene. More info here: http://forum.spaghetti-western.net/index.php?topic=3094.0

The Mondo BD has nearly all the footage except for approx. 1s (1:10 to 1:11 in youtube vid).


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 22, 2013, 11:06:29 AM
LeoneNut spliced in cut scenes from the 1st edition of the CVC DVD, which is long out of print. The image is cropped (not pan&scan) and of poor quality. This is the only DVD with the full beating scene. More info here: http://forum.spaghetti-western.net/index.php?topic=3094.0

The Mondo BD has nearly all the footage except for approx. 1s (1:10 to 1:11 in youtube vid).

so the Youtube vid contains all the available footage from that scene, and the Mondo BD is identical to the Youtube vid except that it is missing 1 second?

Thanks

What about the German blu ray? does that have the same version of the beating scene as the Mondo version?


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 22, 2013, 11:13:30 AM

There's another extended scene, which has also been taken from the Mondo BD in order to make the Universum BD complete:
http://s20.postimage.org/btkjrpewd/PDVD_005.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/btkjrpewd/PDVD_005.jpg)
As before, this shot is also part of the other releases, however in this version the shot is 4,5s longer.
There are strange things going on with the music at the end of this scene.
On the Universum BD, the music is faded out very abruptly on both German soundtracks and the English mono soundtrack. On the English 5.1 upmix, it lingers until the beginning of the next scene and kind of serves as a bridge. On the Italian soundtrack of the Mondo BD, it simply stops before the next scene begins.



you know how at the end of that scene, the screen fades to black before the next scene -- on the mountaintop -- begins?

On the dvd commentary, Frayling said that at that point, there would have been a break in the Italian theaters; it was customary that they always had an intermission in middle of the movie, and that's where it would have been, at that moment after TMWNN says "if there's gonna be any shooting, I'm gonna have to get my rest," and the scene fades to black, there would have been a break in Italian theaters, before the next scene begins on the mountaintop.


Perhaps that comment by Frayling would explain why on the Italian-language soundtrack of the Mondo BD, the music doesn't serve as a bridge but stops at the end of that scene -- there was no bridge because there was an intermission at that moment!


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Lil Brutto on February 22, 2013, 11:15:02 AM
so the Youtube vid contains all the available footage from that scene, and the Mondo BD is identical to the Youtube vid except that it is missing 1 second?

Thanks

What about the German blu ray? does that have the same version of the beating scene as the Mondo version?

That's correct, the Mondo BD has just the (rather unusual) 1s cut. I haven't received the German BD yet so I can't comment on that. depp91 believes it is but to be totally sure it should be compared with the youtube vid.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Lil Brutto on February 22, 2013, 11:23:31 AM
Perhaps that comment by Frayling would explain why on the Italian-language soundtrack of the Mondo BD, the music doesn't serve as a bridge but stops at the end of that scene -- there was no bridge because there was an intermission at that moment!

Very good point.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: dave jenkins on February 22, 2013, 11:34:28 AM
depp91: You da man!!!  O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 O0

Vielen dank!


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Jordan Krug on February 22, 2013, 12:07:02 PM
Depp91, thanks so much for all your observations- it looks like my dream of a complete fafdm has come true (except for that audio issue, I'll just switch to the German audio for the thunder crash and back again :)



Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: depp91 on February 22, 2013, 12:07:21 PM
@ drinkanddestroy & Honest Farmer
I will compare it to the version on YouTube later, okay? The review today was really exhausting :D
I can confirm however that the 1sec that is missing on the Mondo BD, isn't missing on the Universum BD.

@ drinkandestroy
Very good point, I didn't remember about the intermission! Thank you!!!


And thanks for all your kind words:)
Sorry for the grammatical errors by the way, I got tired at the end :D

As I'm satisfied with this new release, I have also ordered FAFOD, which is based upon the Italian master of the movie.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 22, 2013, 01:08:45 PM
I also have the Italian blu ray of FOD (from Ripley's home video. The feature is region-free and has english audio; the bonus features are region B).

Is there any difference between that version of the movie and the MGM American dvd/blu ray? (i'm not asking about image/audio quality; I'm only asking about if there are any differences in the scenes)


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Novecento on February 22, 2013, 06:07:34 PM
And thanks for all your kind words:)

I want to add some of my own. Thank you so much for going to all the trouble of posting all of that. It is really appreciated.

I also have the Italian blu ray of FOD (from Ripley's home video. The feature is region-free and has english audio; the bonus features are region B).

I think I explained this earlier - you cannot have a BD that is both region-free and region B at the same time; it is either one or the other. In this case it is region-free. What you are referring to is the fact that the main feature is 1080p while some of the extras are 576p.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: depp91 on February 23, 2013, 06:47:05 AM
@Novecento
Thank you :) :)


Several other German forums all report that this new release is uncut except for a few missing frames compared to the Mondo BD:
"Erstmals komplett ungeschnitten. Es gibt aber hier und da ganz kleine Frame-Cuts im Vergleich zur italienischen Blu-ray."
( http://www.schnittberichte.com/svds.php?Page=Fassung&ID=25682 (http://www.schnittberichte.com/svds.php?Page=Fassung&ID=25682) )


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 23, 2013, 09:21:50 PM

I think I explained this earlier - you cannot have a BD that is both region-free and region B at the same time; it is either one or the other. In this case it is region-free. What you are referring to is the fact that the main feature is 1080p while some of the extras are 576p.

actually, what I meant to say is that the feature is NTSC while the bonus features are PAL (and therefore, only the feature would play on my American blu-ray player). I haven't tried playing the bonus features, but I read that they are in PAL on DVD Beaver (back when I used to read DVD Beaver's site, before I realized how bad it is  http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/dvdreviews42/fistful_of_dollars_blu-ray.htm )

I never bothered trying to play the bonus features anyway, since I also heard that they are only in Italian.

As long as the main feature was region-free, I was very happy with the purchase  O0


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: stanton on February 24, 2013, 03:00:13 AM
The main feature is certainly not in NTSC as this is an Italian DVD. And Italy still uses the Pal standard.

The difference is like Novecento mentions that the bonus is still in SD, and most likely simply taken from a previous DVD release.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: depp91 on February 24, 2013, 03:26:23 AM
There seems to be general confusion regarding the terms region code, NTSC / PAL and HD...

NTSC means 23.97 frames per second (resulting in 30fps via 3.2 pulldown) and a resolution of 720x480 = SD
PAL means 25fps and a resolution of 720x576 = SD

These are the standards for SD material, either on DVDs or on BluRays where they are only used for bonus features.


HD means 24fps and 1920x1080. HD material neither is NTSC nor PAL!



And then there's region coding. Which doesn't have anything to do with how the material is encoded on the DVD / BluRay.



So if you have the Italian BluRay of FAFOD, you'll be able to play the disc in general, because it is region-free. The main feature will also be playable because its the normal HD standard, which is internationally the same. Only the bonus features may prove tricky, if your hardware doesn't support PAL.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Rojo Ramone on March 03, 2013, 10:23:13 PM
Thank you for your valuable work, Depp.

I had an eyegasm when I saw the German FAFDM...it's MINE! >:D


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Senza on March 15, 2013, 08:13:34 PM
Further observations!

First of all, these are the releases I will refer to in the following text:
Paramount DVD (Germany, 2005)
MGM BD (US, UK, etc.)
Mondo BD (Italy)
Universum BD (Germany, 2013)
Additionally, there's a remastered version in Germany that usually airs on Kabel1.


This comparison is going to be extremely complicated, as there are so many different remastered versions of FAFDM by now, all of them differing in certain aspects. I hope I can sort all of this out in this post. So...

Here are three screencaps of the Universum BD which you can compare to their MGM BD and Mondo BD counterparts at http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?cID=666#auswahl (http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/comparison.php?cID=666#auswahl).
http://s20.postimage.org/5twso1u3x/PDVD_006.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/5twso1u3x/PDVD_006.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/qn8e3y1f1/PDVD_025.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/qn8e3y1f1/PDVD_025.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/3zojk1wh9/PDVD_016.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/3zojk1wh9/PDVD_016.jpg)

This should give you an overall impression of the Universum BD.
To show that there are many instances of dirt and speckles, here's one example, look at the sky:
http://s20.postimage.org/kfntcaqwd/PDVD_008.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/kfntcaqwd/PDVD_008.jpg)

The main titles stem from an inferior source (in comparison to the main bulk of the movie) on both all releases:
Universum BD: http://s20.postimage.org/wznjds4h9/PDVD_024.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/wznjds4h9/PDVD_024.jpg)
Mondo BD: http://s20.postimage.org/tff4y6ca5/PDVD_000.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/tff4y6ca5/PDVD_000.jpg)

Unfortunately, the famous quote "Where life has no value..." is translated into German on the Universum BD, and there's no way to view it in English:
http://s20.postimage.org/lynsv0mul/PDVD_023.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/lynsv0mul/PDVD_023.jpg)
On the Mondo BD, it's is missing altogether. I don't have any idea if it has ever been part of the Italian version, I have to admit.

Now let's take a look at the different cuts...
This shot ist cut short on the MGM BD and the Paramount DVD, the Mondo BD does contain it however, as well as the Kabel1 version on German TV. On the new Universum BD, it was inserted in full length from the Mondo BD probably:
http://s20.postimage.org/472zp2sod/PDVD_000.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/472zp2sod/PDVD_000.jpg)
Another interesting thing is the sound. When Clint raises his head and we can see his head for the first time, thunder roars. On old remastered MGM DVDs and the Paramount DVD, this sound came too early. It was corrected for the MGM BD. However it comes too early on both English soundtracks of the Universum BD, while it is correct on the German soundtracks and also of course on the Italian soundtrack of the Mondo BD.

The longer laughter of Indio is also there on the new Universum BD, ported over from the Mondo BD probably. It is missing on the Paramount DVD and the MGM BD. There's one interesting thing here, though. On the Mondo BD, the whole prison scene starts at night and ends at dawn, while on the other versions, the whole scene takes place at night.
Universum BD: http://s20.postimage.org/tfsewhmzx/PDVD_002.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/tfsewhmzx/PDVD_002.jpg)
Mondo BD: http://s20.postimage.org/d6ywop3fx/PDVD_002.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/d6ywop3fx/PDVD_002.jpg)
I guess they had to filter the scene on the Universum BD in order to adjust it to the rest.

The scene of Clint grabbing the boy is also longer on the Mondo BD and has therefore been inserted on the Universum BD:
http://s20.postimage.org/owg6az54d/PDVD_004.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/owg6az54d/PDVD_004.jpg)
Please note that the shot I've provided is also part of the other releases, it's just 1,5s of the scene which are longer here.

There's another extended scene, which has also been taken from the Mondo BD in order to make the Universum BD complete:
http://s20.postimage.org/btkjrpewd/PDVD_005.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/btkjrpewd/PDVD_005.jpg)
As before, this shot is also part of the other releases, however in this version the shot is 4,5s longer.
There are strange things going on with the music at the end of this scene.
On the Universum BD, the music is faded out very abruptly on both German soundtracks and the English mono soundtrack. On the English 5.1 upmix, it lingers until the beginning of the next scene and kind of serves as a bridge. On the Italian soundtrack of the Mondo BD, it simply stops before the next scene begins.

And now... the famous beating scene. This is going to be hard to describe...
Fact is, that none of the former releases featured the complete scene. Until now. Combining different sources, the Universum BD is able to present this scene in its complete form for the first time. I'll try to cover the most important aspects of the different versions of this scene, but it is complicated...

Only one little thing is missing on the Mondo BD, it has however been part of the Paramount DVD all along and if I remember correctly also of the MGM BD. It's simply the end of this shot (1s only):
http://s20.postimage.org/6kpittwh9/PDVD_007.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/6kpittwh9/PDVD_007.jpg)

The scene of Indio gettin a grimmer face and Monco being kicked in the back is there in its complete form. It was missing on the MGM BD and parts of if were missing on the Paramount DVD.
http://s20.postimage.org/q92yxild9/PDVD_002_2.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/q92yxild9/PDVD_002_2.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/gpta41xv1/PDVD_003_2.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/gpta41xv1/PDVD_003_2.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/j8ez4qjl9/PDVD_004_2.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/j8ez4qjl9/PDVD_004_2.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/ilg2f7mp9/PDVD_006_2.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/ilg2f7mp9/PDVD_006_2.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/qkftwjcfh/PDVD_001_2.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/qkftwjcfh/PDVD_001_2.jpg)

Then, after Indio has jumped off the wall, there was one face shot missing on the Paramount DVD:
http://s20.postimage.org/q2p9ufc8d/PDVD_007_2.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/q2p9ufc8d/PDVD_007_2.jpg)
It is part of the Mondo BD, while I think the scene as a whole is missing on the MGM BD.

The shot back to Indio and his comrades stems from an inferior source on all of the releases that contain it, namely the Paramount DVD, the Mondo BD and the Universum BD.
Universum BD: http://s20.postimage.org/ccq57vzql/PDVD_000_2.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/ccq57vzql/PDVD_000_2.jpg)
Mondo BD: http://s20.postimage.org/9gz9vsrl9/PDVD_008.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/9gz9vsrl9/PDVD_008.jpg)

The end titles, as the main titles, also come from an inferiour source on problably all remastered versions.
Universum BD: http://s20.postimage.org/8zlzs023x/PDVD_017.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/8zlzs023x/PDVD_017.jpg)
Mondo BD: http://s20.postimage.org/b7iaxa94d/PDVD_006.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/b7iaxa94d/PDVD_006.jpg)

Last but not least, here are several more screencaps from the new Universum BD:
http://s20.postimage.org/nq7kyfrfx/PDVD_001.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/nq7kyfrfx/PDVD_001.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/rwx0rigfh/PDVD_009.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/rwx0rigfh/PDVD_009.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/3ug6wmzsd/PDVD_010.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/3ug6wmzsd/PDVD_010.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/sc8akj2ct/PDVD_011.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/sc8akj2ct/PDVD_011.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/5c68lxtwt/PDVD_012.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/5c68lxtwt/PDVD_012.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/wba3h3gdp/PDVD_015.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/wba3h3gdp/PDVD_015.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/hj5dpragd/PDVD_018.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/hj5dpragd/PDVD_018.jpg)
http://s20.postimage.org/6ndzuepil/PDVD_021.jpg (http://s20.postimage.org/6ndzuepil/PDVD_021.jpg)

To sum up:
I'm totally fine with the picture quality. Although there are so many speckles, the overall quality is still a lot better than the Mondo BD in terms of sharpness, color and contrast. And yes, this really is the first release of this amazing in its uncut form. Finally!!!!
There only two sad things about this release:
- Universum felt they had to translate the "Where life has no value..."-phrase into German
- The thunder sound isn't in its right place when we see Monco for the first time
(And the ugly cover art, probably.)

PS: I'm sorry that the screencaps are not in their original size. I uploaded them at postimage.org which said it wouldn't resize them, but obviously it did. SORRY!

Just when you thought you knew it all, good job!


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Rojo Ramone on August 22, 2017, 01:06:16 PM
About the thunderclap with Manco's appearance.
Is it suppose to be when Clint first lifts his head?

This is how I remember it but I have so many releases where it comes at a different time.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Jordan Krug on August 22, 2017, 04:33:15 PM
About the thunderclap with Manco's appearance.
Is it suppose to be when Clint first lifts his head?

This is how I remember it but I have so many releases where it comes at a different time.

Yes, it's such a iconic moment, it's meant to be on his first look up, we see his face and hear the ominous thunderclap. Somewhere along the line this sync moment got messed up. Might have something to do with the reel end there, some versions of the scene hold until he walks out of frame (almost to the white flash of the camera shutoff) others cut earlier.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Rojo Ramone on August 29, 2017, 10:43:08 AM

That's what I thought
What a huge @#$%-up by screwing up such a dramatic entrance.
I hope the German Blu got it right.
Or at least the R1 MGM.

I watched TGTB&TU last weekend...next will be FAFDM.

Thanks, Jordan.


Title: Re: Feb 2013 German Blu-ray release of Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Post by: Novecento on August 29, 2017, 12:34:55 PM
I always wonder how things like this go unnoticed. "Navajo Joe" has a similar screw up involving another Morricone score on most of its home video releases - the German DVD got it right, but then apparently it was messed up on the BD again.