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Title: Breaking Point (The) (1950)
Post by: cigar joe on January 17, 2013, 04:53:52 PM
An otherwise moral captain of a charter boat becomes financially strapped and is drawn into illegal activities in order to keep up payments on his boat.

Director: Michael Curtiz
Writers: Ranald MacDougall, Ernest Hemingway (novel)
Stars: John Garfield, Patricia Neal and Phyllis Thaxter
Title: Re: Breaking Point (The) (1950)
Post by: moviesceleton on January 17, 2013, 11:11:03 PM
I remember liking this very much. I mean, it's potential Top 50 Films Ever material but it's been so long since I saw it that I can't say anything for sure.
Title: Re: Breaking Point (The) (1950)
Post by: cigar joe on January 18, 2013, 05:45:35 AM
A more faithful adaptation of Hemingway's "To Have And Have Not" not very stylistically "Noir" but interesting and believable performances by all. 7/10  will expand.
Title: Re: Breaking Point (The) (1950)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 19, 2013, 10:20:48 PM
I just finished watching my dvr of Eddie Muller's most recent "Night in Noir City" visit to TCM; this was the final title.

Robert Osbourne said, and I agree with him, that this doesn't seem much like a noir, but Muller said that (for classification purposes) he doesn't care all that much about the look of the noir, the black and white and high-contrast cinematography, etc., but he focuses more about the story: you have a protagonist put in a situation where he has to do something he knows is wrong, it's just an average person who realized he has the capabilities of being a criminal. So, he considers it a noir from the plot angle.



I'd give this one a 7.5/10

Very good performances all around. Particularly great were Patricia Neal and Wallace Ford, who played the crooked lawyer, IMO he delivered an Oscar-worthy performance.



SPOILER ALERT


(I never read the Hemingway story, but I'm just focusing on the screenplay): I think that normally, Garfield's character would have died, but he was probably saved for the sake of his wife and kids. He definitely deserved to die; by the end of the movie, I had zero sympathy for him whatsoever; to the extent that I cared for his well-being, it was only for the sake of his wife and kids.

The final shot was incredibly haunting, with the black kid standing there all alone, waiting for his dad. The fact that the movie didn't feel a  need to tie everything up; it left the poor kid standing there, waiting for his dad, IMO it has to be considered an all-time great final shot. If not what you'd call a "great ending," cuz it's not like there is any big plot twist, but a great final shot
Title: Re: Breaking Point (The) (1950)
Post by: dave jenkins on May 16, 2017, 03:52:32 PM
Criterion Blu-ray for August:
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SPECIAL FEATURES

New 2K digital restoration, with uncompressed monaural soundtrack on the Blu-ray
New interview with biographer and film historian Alan K. Rode (Michael Curtiz: A Life in Film)
New piece featuring actor and acting instructor Julie Garfield speaking about her father, actor John Garfield
New video essay by filmmakers Tony Zhou and Taylor Ramos, analyzing Curtiz's directorial techniques
Excerpts from a 1962 episode of the Today show showing contents of the Ernest Hemingway House in Key West, Florida, including items related to To Have and Have Not, the novel on which The Breaking Point is based
Trailer
PLUS: An essay by critic Stephanie Zacharek
Title: Re: Breaking Point (The) (1950)
Post by: T.H. on May 17, 2017, 10:40:19 AM
While it's a solid movie, it takes all the fun and most of the entertainment out of Hawks' To Have and Have Not and focuses on the story, which was never all that great to begin with. Hemingway may have called To Have and Have Not his worst novel.

Meanwhile, Le Samourai still hasn't made the upgrade to bluray.
Title: Re: Breaking Point (The) (1950)
Post by: stanton on May 17, 2017, 02:07:16 PM
While it's a solid movie, it takes all the fun and most of the entertainment out of Hawks' To Have and Have Not and focuses on the story, which was never all that great to begin with. Hemingway may have called To Have and Have Not his worst novel.


Well, it's not much of a novel.
2 earlier written short stories, written in an odd Dashiell Hammett style, and then 100 pages (in the now usual Hemingway style) added, which somehow should give the title a meaning. I like it though, and it is not his worst novel.

Hawk's film, which despite having "Ernest Hemingway's THaHN" written in the titles, has, apart from a few names, absolutely nothing to do with novel. Even the time and the setting are not taken from the novel. And of course the title makes zero sense for the film.
Title: Re: Breaking Point (The) (1950)
Post by: dave jenkins on May 19, 2017, 06:27:07 AM
Bosley Crowther has seen the picture . . . and he loves it! http://www.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=9A05E0D7143DEF3BBC4F53DFB667838B649EDE
Title: Re: Breaking Point (The) (1950)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 06, 2018, 11:58:04 PM
Eddie Muller's intro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnS3rxQU7po&feature=youtu.be

Eddie Muller's afterword https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmtrCUVDsUI&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Breaking Point (The) (1950)
Post by: Moorman on January 07, 2018, 08:17:20 AM
I have been wanting to get this film for a while. I want the Criterion version, but the price is pretty steep.  It looks like a great film...
Title: Re: Breaking Point (The) (1950)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 07, 2018, 10:36:44 AM
I have been wanting to get this film for a while. I want the Criterion version, but the price is pretty steep.  It looks like a great film...

IMO it is a good film; I disagree with Eddie Muller that it is a damn-near-perfect film.

In general, I dont suggest buying discs before you have seen a movie. You may not like the movie and buying a disc may turn out to be a waste of money for you. Id suggest getting Netflix DVD rental or a streaming service (note: Netflix streaming doesnt have a huge library of classic films) or digital rental through iTunes or Amazon. ITunes and Amazon rental charge like $2.99 or so per movie. Watch a movie and see if you like it before shelling out big bucks for a disc  :)
Title: Re: Breaking Point (The) (1950)
Post by: Moorman on January 07, 2018, 11:31:05 AM
IMO it is a good film; I disagree with Eddie Muller that it is a damn-near-perfect film.

In general, I dont suggest buying discs before you have seen a movie. You may not like the movie and buying a disc may turn out to be a waste of money for you. Id suggest getting Netflix DVD rental or a streaming service (note: Netflix streaming doesnt have a huge library of classic films) or digital rental through iTunes or Amazon. ITunes and Amazon rental charge like $2.99 or so per movie. Watch a movie and see if you like it before shelling out big bucks for a disc  :)

I've made that mistake on a few movies.  The Big Combo is one of them, lol. Some of the movies i purchase, i purchase not because i like them, but i purchase them because of their historical significance.  The Maltese Falcon is one, for example.  I purchased Citizen Kane for the same reason, but i kinda like Citizen Kane.  I used to watch movies on youtube first before i would purchase them.  I got lazy and just started purchasing them instead, lol...
Title: Re: Breaking Point (The) (1950)
Post by: Jessica Rabbit on January 10, 2018, 05:17:59 PM
Thanks, D & D, for the upload.  O0
Title: Re: Breaking Point (The) (1950)
Post by: Moorman on March 10, 2018, 11:42:31 PM
Just saw this on Amazon.  I agree with Eddie Muller, this is a damn near perfect film.  There is sooo much going on here.   The double crosses.   Leona's character.  Morgan's family life.  His best friend.  The ending.  Wow.  The final shot of this film is one of the best ever in Hollywood.  I could go on and on about this film. I gotta let it marinate for a while...

Cinematography - 2 points.  Almost flawless.  The depth of the film.  The sets.  The locations.  The camera work.  Almost perfect.

Musical Score- 2 points.   Flawless.  A great score that enhanced the film.

Acting- 2 points. Morgan. Wesley.  Leona.  They were all perfect in this film.

Plot- 2 points.   Flawless.  The plot was very mature and nuanced.  Loved it.

Directing- 2 points.  Heck,  this is better than Casablanca, the film that Michael Curtiz is known for.  I know. I know. Its a different type of film than Casablanca.  But heck, there was nothing really happening in Casablanca.  This had everything...

Overall- 10 out of 10...... I can't believe i just gave out only my fifth perfect 10 to a movie... lol