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Title: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 11, 2013, 06:09:20 PM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072973/?ref_=sr_1

Farewell, My Lovely (1975)

Another film adaptation of Raymond Chandler's novel of the same name [the earlier film adaptation was Murder, My Sweet (1944)]

Cast, courtesy of imdb

Robert Mitchum    ...    Philip Marlowe
Charlotte Rampling    ...    Helen Grayle
John Ireland    ...    Det. Lt. Nulty
Sylvia Miles    ...    Jessie Halstead Florian
Anthony Zerbe    ...    Laird Brunette
Harry Dean Stanton    ...    Det. Billy Rolfe
Jack O'Halloran    ...    Moose Malloy
Joe Spinell    ...    Nick
Sylvester Stallone    ...    Jonnie
Kate Murtagh    ...    Frances Amthor
John O'Leary    ...    Lindsay Marriott
Walter McGinn    ...    Tommy Ray
Burton Gilliam    ...    Cowboy
Jim Thompson    ...    Judge Baxter Wilson Grayle
Jimmy Archer    ...    Georgie (as Jimmie Archer)


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In the Film Noir Discussion Thread, there are 3 posts about this movie (mostly comparing it to Murder, My Sweet)

here http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1822.msg147410#msg147410

titoli: Murder My Sweet (1944) Though it is the 3d vision of the movie it was my first in english. And I didn't remember it took so many liberties with the plot which, in spite of my having read the novel repeatedly, I couldn't follow in depth. There was the good idea of making Ann Riordan Mr. Grayle's daughter, but eliminating the character completely, like Richards did, was even better. And that's about that. The gimmick of the temporary cecity of Marlowe's is just finalized to the final cheesy scene. The actors. As I said, Powell is my favourite Marlowe with Garner. But probably comes second. The girl playing Anne Riordan is perfect but, as said, the character is disposable. I take Trevor over Rampling just because I like her best. And I take O'Halloran over Mazurki because Moose is, literally, true to his name: Mazurki gives too much passion to a character who shows he has it in store only in the final meeting with Velma. The sanatorium scene is perfect, with a great Powell. That makes me give it a 8\10: still a vote under Richards's version.  
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here http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1822.msg147908#msg147908

cigar joe: Murder My Sweet (1944) Watched this today, I too, even though I haven't read the book in years, was wondering why they deviated so much from the plot. I'll agree that in seeing it again that O"Halloran is the superior Malloy, thought I do like the "Pepper's Ghost" entrance of Malloy that is employed in this interpretation, the Richards film is superior and I believe more faithful to the book.  

Here are some screencaps from "Murder My Sweet"

The Pepper's ghost Malloy intro:

(http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4710/kmpdvd002969062546.jpg)

(http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9797/kmpdvd002393062459.jpg)

Velma:

(http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/3663/kmpdvd013736063621.jpg)

Marlowe's Dali-esque drug induced hallucination:

(http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/4274/kmpdvd022036065226.jpg)

One of my favorite sequences Marlowe lights a match off Cupid's ass:

(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9612/kmpdvd036403151705.jpg)

(http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/9867/kmpdvd037591151822.jpg)


This version ties up the loose ends in a beach house rather than on the gambling ship and the Burnette character is absent.  It also has a lame epilogue catering to the female audience.

Powell is great as Marlowe pretty much as I pictured him in my minds eye as I remember the book (Mitchum was just a tad too old and a tad too iconic, unfortunately), and I'll go with Rampling also she had a devious look in her eyes, Trevor wasn't as believable to me she played it a bit to "upper crust", all in all though, I prefer all the rest of the actors in the Richards version. 8/10 agreed.
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and here http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1822.msg149814#msg149814

cigar joe: Farewell, My Lovely (1975) OK reviving this discussion.

For clarification and ease I'll abbreviate the film titles FML = Farewell My Lovely, and MMS = Murder My Sweet

Just finished reading Chandler's "Farewell My Lovely" and with the recent viewings of both films fresh in my mind I have to admit that they both deviate from the novel quite a bit in different areas.

Moose Malloy gets more memorable screen time in FML he becomes an almost sympathetic character in FML you end up caring for the dumb lug, less so in MMS. In the novel you barely get the character at all, which is reflected in MMS.

The character Ann Riordan is eliminated entirely from FML. The most likely reason being Mitchum's age, he's portrayed as a Marlowe in his declining years.

The whole scenario of how Marlowe finds Jessie Florian in FML is not in the book what is in the book is the hotel, and a clerk finds Florian with a City Directory.

The whole flashback sequence with the temporarily blinded Marlowe is a fabrication in MMS. But the hint of the love affair with Riordan is in the novel.

In novel there are two cops that Marlowe has to deal with Nulty, of LAPD and Randal of the Bay City Police in FML they are combined into just Nulty played by Ireland, in MYS the main cop is Randal.

Amthor in the novel is a psychic, in FML he becomes a she and a notorious LA madam and Amthor's and Dr, Sonderborg's sequences in the novel are combined into the same house, in MMS I think he's still a psychic but the way its played out in the novel is much more elaborately detailed and memorable than what is in the film. Interestingly there is a second big bruiser in the novel a henchman of Amthor called The Indian.

In the novel there are two ships off shore one is a whorehouse ship, one is a gambling ship. In FML there is only one ship, in MMS no ship.

In the novel the final denouement between Malloy and Velma takes place in Marlowe's apartment, she puts five bullets in him and escapes. In MMS it takes place in a beach house and Malloy and Velma kill each other and Marlowe is temporarily blinded by a close gunshot. In FML it takes place in Brunette's office on the gambling ship
and Malloy and Velma both die too.

In the novel Velma disappears again, becomes a brunette and is singing in a band again like what she used to do a Florian's but she is finally spotted by a cop back east who approaches her in the dressing room and confronts her, she guns him down then kills herself.


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: cigar joe on February 12, 2013, 04:33:45 AM
Here are some screen caps from "Farewell My Lovely" side by side with me playing around with how it may have looked in B&W this really needs a  re-release 8):

Marlowe's (Mitchum) opening monologue in a room at the Casa Miarabell Hotel, this version is told in flashback for probably 4/5 of the total:

(http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/2902/40637760.jpg)

(http://img816.imageshack.us/img816/3153/cmbw.jpg)

(http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/2663/cmbwcomp.jpg)

Florian's

(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2840/florians.jpg)

(http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/4469/floriansbw.jpg)

(http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/1389/florians4.jpg)

Moose Malloy

(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7855/florians3.jpg)

Jessie in tattered bathrobe

(http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/8266/jessied.jpg)

Then all dolled up for Marlowe

(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/1849/jessie2.jpg)

Jessi & Marlowe boozing it up (notice no noir barred shadows through the venetian blinds)

(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/3751/jessie4u.jpg)

(http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/8786/jessie4bw.jpg)

Femme Fatale (Charlotte Rampling) has a vague Bacall look about her.

(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4345/72135661.jpg)

Green eyes to match the jade necklace.

(http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/4951/vv1m.jpg)

The flash of inner thigh to Marlowe.

(http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/4348/vv2dt.jpg)

The kiss.

(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9597/vv4s.jpg)

Some nice three shot Compositions the top in Florian's the bottom at the Lido gambling ship:

(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/1535/florians5.jpg)

(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3141/threeshot.jpg)


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 12, 2013, 12:17:59 PM
dvd's of this movie seem to be rare, they're going on Amazon for like 100 bucks, but you can get the digital download from iTunes or Amazon for $6.99. You can purchase dvd's from Greece on eBay for about $20, I have no idea what the quality is, whether they're legit, etc. PAL dvd's are also cheaper.

I got the digital download from iTunes -- the SD, not the HD. The image is decent; there is a lot of fuzziness in the background, the part of the image that is out of focus. (Maybe I shoulda paid the $12.99 for the HD 720p version; but it woulda taken more than double the space on my laptop 2.84 GB for HD vs. 1.19 GB for SD)


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: stanton on February 12, 2013, 12:46:20 PM
With only 2,84 GB it can't be HD anyway.


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: titoli on February 12, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
dvd's of this movie seem to be rare

Italian release at 7.50 euros:

http://www.ebay.it/itm/Marlowe-il-poliziotto-privato-1975-DVD-NEW-Sylvester-Stallone-Robert-Mitchum-/230860480527?pt=DVD_Cinema_Internazionale&hash=item35c05b600f


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 12, 2013, 01:52:50 PM
Italian release at 7.50 euros:

http://www.ebay.it/itm/Marlowe-il-poliziotto-privato-1975-DVD-NEW-Sylvester-Stallone-Robert-Mitchum-/230860480527?pt=DVD_Cinema_Internazionale&hash=item35c05b600f

yeah, it's the American dvd that is rare
(I noticed that ebay page lists the stars as "Sylvester Stallone, Robert Mitchum" in that order  ;D


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: T.H. on February 15, 2013, 08:03:28 PM
This is strangely one of the few movies where I think this entire board can agree on, though I'm sure there is one person who will have to ruin it.

This needs a bluray release in the worst way. I have a self-made dvr that's a really crappy transfer.


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 16, 2013, 06:49:42 PM
After all this talk, I just watched the movie again. Good times. It gets an 8/10

The casting is all perfect, and the production design is just amazing.

Now I have to watch Murder, My Sweet again to compare


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: Dust Devil on July 31, 2013, 08:59:09 AM
Wasn't bad, just couldn't get into it too deep. Maybe it's not that strange, having not read the novels.


7/10


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: titoli on August 07, 2013, 08:55:30 AM
Now it can be watched at youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpIftdXefsE


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 21, 2014, 03:15:15 AM
just watched the movie again, basically same opinion as before, it gets an 8/10. I still gotta re-watch Murder, My Sweet – saw it once a long time ago – to compare

one little point I'd quibble with: when Marlowe first meets Rampling, they start kissing immediately, right in her husband's home. That seems too fake, forcing the seductive female stuff. When they are making out later in the car, after the party, that makes sense, they have already met a couple of times by then. That should have been the first time we see them making out; the kissing on the couch 2 minutes after they meet in her home, that shoulda been deleted from the final cut.

The movie still doesn't have a normal American DVD release; my viewings have still all been on the digital file I bought from iTunes. At some point, I may spend the $12.99 to get the "HD" version (720p) from iTunes; but I figure it's gotta be released on disc eventually, no?  A solid movie, with a solid cast .... someone can make money off this if they get off their asses and release this. Maybe someone's gotta put in a request to Scorsese at The Film Foundation, or Muller at The Film Noir Foundation  ;)

Good times  O0


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 21, 2014, 03:23:20 AM
The only thing I don't understand is, when Moose and Marlowe first go to Florian's to ask about Velma, and Moose starts talking to the boss, Mr. Montgomery, Montgomery pulls out a gun and tries to kill Moose, so Moose has to kill Montgomery. Why does Montgomery pull out the gun? Is he also on Velma's payroll, to try to protect her? Seems that Velma worked there before it was "a colored joint," Montgomery would have no prior relationship with Velma. Did she just have one of her boys pay a visit to Montgomery and tell him that if a guy named Moose comes along, it would be worth Montgomery'$ while to plug him?


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 21, 2014, 06:38:32 PM
I think Montgomery was just spooked by Malloy, a giant white guy acting crazy. He pulled the gun because he was scared--a mistake that led to his death.


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 22, 2014, 03:20:56 AM
Yeah I guess so.
Even before Moose started speaking to Montgomery, the bartender pulled out a "sawed-off," before Marlowe advised him to put it away (since, as I recall, "it wouldn't stop him anyway" :D ). So maybe these guys were indeed just spooked by Moose ...

btw, i think the Moose character in FML is a little too much of a caricature, too contrived, ridiculous. As I recall, the Moose character in MURDER, MY SWEET (which as I mentioned, I saw a long time ago, but I WILL see again soon to compare, it'll be the next movie I watch ;) ) makes more sense. He is a big tough guy (okay, not as big and tough, Mike Mazurski ~) but not in a silly way. In FML, the character is like, somebody could say to Moose, "Good morning" and his response would be to knock him down, he growls everything in the toughest meanest rudest voice possible even when it makes no sense - even when he says Velma was "cute as lace pants," he growls it. That is so over the top, it is silly. You can be big and tough and anti-social and growl without being silly.
Though somehow, in FML they actually try to make Moose into a sympathetic character (if you don't mind the fact that he is a bank robber who has 80,000 stolen dollars), by the end - just a lovesick guy looking for his Velma; yet it's clever how you the sympathetic moment only basically comes right at the end, once he is shot. (Actually, okay, a little earlier, when they go to Georgie's (the newsstand man's) house to set up the meeting with Velma then go to the motel; by that time you can already feel for the dumb brute.) But it's clever how they successfully make him sympathetic so suddenly. When they arrange the meeting and he speaks to Velma on the phone, and later can't believe she set him up, they successflly change him from just a big dumbass brute to sympathetic in almost an instant.
 And of course, a huuuge exa-boxer, great face, Jack O'Halloran was a great bit of ... production design!
:)


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: cigar joe on August 22, 2014, 04:38:07 AM
The Film Noir Foundation is supposedly looking at doing a restoration.


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 22, 2014, 04:34:23 PM
The Film Noir Foundation is supposedly looking at doing a restoration.

good to hear  O0


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 22, 2014, 04:59:28 PM
Trivia question:
Which actor appeared in both FAREWELL, MY LOVELY and one of the Dollars films?
HINT: It's a trick question ;)


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 23, 2014, 10:49:19 PM
Trivia question:
Which actor appeared in both FAREWELL, MY LOVELY and one of the Dollars films?
HINT: It's a trick question ;)

Harry Dean Stanton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppZuqec9lq0

I told you it was a trick question

 ;)


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 24, 2014, 07:56:17 AM
JUST WATCHED MMS TO COMPARE, and wrote a post comparing FLM to MMS in the MMS thread; I'll post it again in this thread

just watched the DVD of Murder, My Sweet for the second time: I give it a 7.5/10

I didn't enjoy it nearly as much as I think i did last time, probably because I just watched Farewell, My Lovely. FML is clearly my favorite of the two; I thought the color was nice (even though it's a noir movie), bringing out the color of the seedy of side of private-detective work; the production design on FML was amazing, that feels much more real and less on studio sets - even the indoor sets do feel real. (Maybe MMS never felt a need to emphasize the 1940's cuz they were IN the 1940's  ;) )

Dick Powell is a good noir guy but he is no Robert Mitchum, who may THE noir guy

a major difference was adding in the Ann Shirley character in MMS - IMO it added nothing to the movie

Mr. Grayle was also a needless character (in FML, Judge Grayle is, though a powerful character, a minor character in the movie and rarely appears; but in MMS, MR. Grayle has a few scenes where he goes on and on)

of course, in 1975, there was no production code: there were lots more killing, you could see the blood, you could see the nudity, hear the profanity -- Amthor was a madame running a brothel in FML; in MMS, he was a quack shrink

Moose in MMS, played by Mike Mazurki, has normal reactions here. Doesn't growl every word he says as O'Halloran does in FML.  But O'HAlloran comes across as legitimately stupid. not sure if Mazurki is believable as really being stupid, or if you can tell he is acting stupid. Again, I watched Mzurki's movie immediately after O'Halloran's, so I am comparing everything .....

And again, I must emphasize: Dick Powell was very fine noir man. But few, if any, could go up against Robert Mitchum in a noir battle and win.

I have to give a 7.5/10 to MMS and an 8/10, maybe a half-point higher, to FML


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 24, 2014, 07:57:37 AM
Here is an interesting blog entry/review of FML http://its-okay-with-me.blogspot.com/2009/03/farewell-my-lovely.html


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 24, 2014, 05:39:57 PM
a major difference was adding in the Ann Shirley character in MMS - IMO it added nothing to the movie
Since you are talking about the girl I love, I will be scheduling your ass-kicking post haste.


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 24, 2014, 06:01:49 PM
Since you are talking about the girl I love, I will be scheduling your ass-kicking post haste.

she is still a useless character who does nothing for the movie

I love Rhonda Fleming, but am I happy about her character in Gunfight @ OKC?


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 25, 2014, 06:38:18 PM
she is still a useless character who does nothing for the movie
This is so not true. Without her there would be no cute ending where Marlowe kisses "Nolte". And she has one of the great entrances in all of noir.

Comparing this with OK Corral is so wrong-headed: that Western is clearly intended to be a boys only adventure; noir films work best when they have dames, dames, dames. Often, if you have a femme fatale, having a good girl provides a much needed contrast. At the very least, the contrast demonstrates that noir is not misogynist.


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 26, 2014, 03:48:48 AM
This is so not true. Without her there would be no cute ending where Marlowe kisses "Nolte". And she has one of the great entrances in all of noir.

Comparing this with OK Corral is so wrong-headed: that Western is clearly intended to be a boys only adventure; noir films work best when they have dames, dames, dames. Often, if you have a femme fatale, having a good girl provides a much needed contrast. At the very least, the contrast demonstrates that noir is not misogynist.

haha I think femme fatales (or "femmes fatale for you nerds) are the opposite of misogynist - they show girls can look out for themselves, can be tough and scheming, aren't just there to fall in love with the man.

Please tell me you are kidding about her having one of the great entrances in all of noir - pretending to be a newspaper reporter, wearing the ugly glasses?  :o (she gets a minor build-up from the funny elevator operator, but that's all)

in FML, that character doesn't exist - Mrs. Grayle/Velma enters the picture simply by having Marlowe find out that the Grayles are the major collectors of fei tsui jade. (okay, it's a little far-fetched, that he'd find out who owns a large collection and figure the necklace musta been stolen from her, but hey, what's not far-fetched in noir), IMO it easily gets to Mrs. Grayle without a needless character coming in there. her character adds nothing to the story - yes, that final scene is cute, but it doesn't make her presence worth it throughout the movie.

I've never read the book so I don't know which version is closer to Chandler's, but in this regard (and most others) I think FML did it right.


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 26, 2014, 01:15:43 PM

Please tell me you are kidding about her having one of the great entrances in all of noir - pretending to be a newspaper reporter, wearing the ugly glasses?  :o (she gets a minor build-up from the funny elevator operator, but that's all)
That's the second time she shows. Her intro is when Marlowe gets slugged on the back of the head and, just before he passes out, sees this mysterious woman (who thinks he's someone else) peering into his face to see if he's OK. Marlowe then forgets he's seen her--but the audience doesn't. Who the heck is she? That question is in the back of everyone's mind, nagging, until it gets answered. Great, great filmmaking.


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 21, 2015, 01:32:16 AM
looks like this movie will finally get a DVD release, from an outfit called Shout! Factory/Timeless Media; no BRD, though. Release date is Nov. 17, 2015

http://goo.gl/jdR3zM

https://www.shoutfactory.com/film/film-crime/farewell-my-lovely



Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 21, 2015, 04:19:24 PM
looks like this movie will finally get a DVD release, from an out fit called Shout! Factory / Timeless Media; no BRD, though. Release date is Nov. 17, 2015

http://goo.gl/jdR3zM

https://www.shoutfactory.com/film/film-crime/farewell-my-lovely
No Blu-ray? Must mean it hasn't been restored.

I'll have to see what the reviewers say about PQ, but I'm guessing I won't be upgrading from my UK disc.


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 22, 2015, 08:11:00 PM
Have you ever heard of this DVD company? Do they do good work?

Although this movie hasn't had a Region 1 DVD release, it has been available for some time via digital download on iTunes (and I assume Amazon, as well).
I bought it on iTunes for like 6 bucks. I can pay a few more dollars and buy it again in the "HD" version, which takes up much more space. I've been holding off on it cuz I figure eventually this movie will be released on DVD/BRD. If this new DVD is good and not too expensive, I guess I will buy it. Otherwise, I will wait for the BRD, which I hope will be coming eventually.


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 24, 2015, 06:44:39 PM
Have you ever heard of this DVD company? Do they do good work?

Yes and yes. Still, they are limited by the elements they have to work with. Hopefully, they've found a good print.


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: dave jenkins on November 04, 2017, 03:07:07 PM
Quote
U.S. label Shout Factory has announced that it will release two classic films starring Robert Mitchum: Dick Richards' Farewell, My Lovely (1975) and Michael Winner's The Big Sleep (1978). The double-feature release will be available for purchase on February 20.


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 04, 2017, 05:06:30 PM
Is this still the DVD? Or is there a BRD?

I have never seen Mitchum’s THE BIG SLEEP. Is it good?


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: cigar joe on November 04, 2017, 05:52:15 PM
Is this still the DVD? Or is there a BRD?

I have never seen Mitchum’s THE BIG SLEEP. Is it good?

It follows the novel better than the Bogart/Bacall version that was retooled to take advantage of the chemistry that arced across the screen between Bogart and Bacall, the studio added a love story angle and the accompanying dialog.

The Big Sleep (1978) follows the novel more closely with it's original dialog, and isn't hampered by the Hayes Code. It's biggest complication is the whole story is shifted to The United Kingdom and updated to the then present 1978. Instead of ramshackle, decrepit and shabby it wallows in old world opulence. Marlowe drives a '71 BMW instead of a 1930's Marmon.

All this modifying and Anglify-ing is interesting considering that Chandler was sort of modified and Anglicized himself, born in 1888 in Chicago, Illinois, he spent a few years in Nebraska living along the Missouri River with relatives and then moved with his mother at the age of 12 in 1900 after his father abandoned them to a borough of London in the UK. He flipped back again ending up in the States, moving first to San Francisco, then Los Angeles.

So I'll repeat, if you don't know that the original story was supposed to be all taking place in 1939 and was supposed to be in Los Angeles you'll actually find it a pretty good film, the story updates pretty much flawlessly. Marlowe in this version, is an ex US soldier who stayed on in the UK after WWII to open a Commercial and Civil Investigations Agency and all the supporting cast is actually top notch.


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 04, 2017, 05:56:11 PM
It follows the novel better than the Bogart/Bacall version that was retooled to take advantage of the chemistry that arced across the screen between Bogart and Bacall, the studio added a love story angle and the accompanying dialog.

The Big Sleep (1978) follows the novel more closely with it's original dialog, and isn't hampered by the Hayes Code. It's biggest complication is the whole story is shifted to The United Kingdom and updated to the then present 1978. Instead of ramshackle, decrepit and shabby it wallows in old world opulence. Marlowe drives a '71 BMW instead of a 1930's Marmon.

All this modifying and Anglify-ing is interesting considering that Chandler was sort of modified and Anglicized himself, born in 1888 in Chicago, Illinois, he spent a few years in Nebraska living along the Missouri River with relatives and then moved with his mother at the age of 12 in 1900 after his father abandoned them to a borough of London in the UK. He flipped back again ending up in the States, moving first to San Francisco, then Los Angeles.

So I'll repeat, if you don't know that the original story was supposed to be all taking place in 1939 and was supposed to be in Los Angeles you'll actually find it a pretty good film, the story updates pretty much flawlessly. Marlowe in this version, is an ex US soldier who stayed on in the UK after WWII to open a Commercial and Civil Investigations Agency and all the supporting cast is actually top notch.

Thanks! I’ll give it a try  :)


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: XhcnoirX on November 06, 2017, 06:42:24 AM
Looking forward to the double bill blu-ray. Having said that, I'm not a big fan of this adaptation of The Big Sleep. Mitchum sleepwalks through most of the movie, James Stewart is painful to watch (not his fault, his physical issues are just clearly on display here) and it feels like half the script was updated to the late 70s UK while the other half wasn't. OTOH, it's got a superb supporting cast, from Oliver Reed to John Mills to Joan Collins and so on.


Title: Re: Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
Post by: T.H. on November 23, 2017, 12:31:39 PM
I'm one of the bigger Michael Winner supporters out there but I absolutely despise The Big Sleep '78. It's a truly terrible looking movie and is incredibly dull. It's a bad made for TV movie with big (aging) stars.