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Title: Journey Into Fear (1943)
Post by: cigar joe on February 26, 2013, 07:05:45 AM
Director: Norman Foster, Writers: Orson Welles (screenplay), Joseph Cotten (screenplay), Richard Collins uncredited & Ben Hecht uncredited. Staring Orson Welles, Joseph Cotten, Dolores del Rio, Agnes Moorehead, Jack Durant, and Everett Sloane.

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Pleasantly surprised, what really makes this great is that you never know what's happening next, a caveat to that is you also don't know if this is intentional or if the studio cuts made it more convoluted. Either way the chiaroscuro cinematography, the sound design, studio sets, and the bizarre characters that Joseph Cotten encounters in The Levant aboard a cattle boat are priceless (68 minute cut) 8/10

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a short atmospheric vid I put together, enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ifp3puJHVY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ifp3puJHVY)

From IMDb:

Of such strokes is suspense made…, 24 April 2005

Author: ironside (robertfrangie@hotmail.com) from Mexico

The operatic approach of adding a musical dimension to menace with a killer-theme on the soundtrack has been greatly used in Orson Welles' glorious suspense film, "Journey Into Fear," where the little killer obsessively played a scratchy old 78 rpm disc of someone singing "Chagrin d'Amour."

The assassin was short and fat; his belly large, his chin and neck flabby... I do not recall him having a line of dialog to speak… But the whole film was spread with heightened menace when he sat, his little round eyes blank behind his little round pebble lenses, listening compulsively to the atrociously scratchy record, confusing the words of the song at the wrong speed, the needle jumping from groove to groove; his nerve-ends, unlike ours, immune to the discordance…

This was a spy thriller set in the wartime Near East, about an innocent American engineer (Joseph Cotten), pursued by Nazi agents and blundering from danger to danger without seeming to know too much of what it was all about…It was essentially a hunter-and-hunted story, with settings that were often seedy but always exotic…

The opening was in Istanbul, the climax in Batum, and all the terrors between were forced claustrophobically between the low ceilings and narrow partitions of a neglected little steamer plowing the Black Sea…

"Journey Into Fear" lives for its portrait gallery, its atmosphere, and for Welles' touches and excesses…



 


Title: Re: Journey Into Fear (1943)
Post by: dave jenkins on February 26, 2013, 08:46:56 AM
Although Norman Foster is credited as the director, it's generally held to have been made by Welles.


Title: Re: Journey Into Fear (1943)
Post by: PowerRR on February 26, 2013, 10:08:27 PM
Good film from what I remember (which all I can remember is something to do with a boat at the end ...or was it the whole movie?). Watched it during a Welles-spree I had a few years back when I heard that he was basically the director.


Title: Re: Journey Into Fear (1943)
Post by: cigar joe on February 27, 2013, 03:17:42 AM
Yea the cattle boat was 3/4 of the film.


Title: Re: Journey Into Fear (1943)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on May 17, 2013, 04:28:25 PM
I give this a 7/10

One big problem is with the production design; they make no attempt to give you any illusion that they are actually on a ship. A couple of long establishing shots of rear projections of a boat on water, and all the rest is just a bunch of soundstages, they don't even try to pretend that there is any water in sight. This movie could just as well have taken place on a train. The Narrow Margin, for spies instead of gangsters  ;)


Title: Journey into Fear (European Cut)
Post by: cigar joe on July 11, 2016, 12:51:10 PM
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Journey-Into-Fear-Orson-Welles/dp/B001AZ4QQI/ref=sr_1_3?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1468195940&sr=1-3&keywords=journey+into+fear  (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Journey-Into-Fear-Orson-Welles/dp/B001AZ4QQI/ref=sr_1_3?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1468195940&sr=1-3&keywords=journey+into+fear)


Title: Re: Journey into Fear (European Cut)
Post by: PowerRR on July 12, 2016, 03:30:40 PM
What's the deal with this one - did Welles direct it fully? co-direct? still controversy?

is there a big different between European cut and others?

I watched it on TCM a few years back. I liked it generally but it was definitely forgettable...I think I remember a boat?


Title: Re: Journey into Fear (European Cut)
Post by: cigar joe on July 12, 2016, 08:20:28 PM
What's the deal with this one - did Welles direct it fully? co-direct? still controversy?

is there a big different between European cut and others?

I watched it on TCM a few years back. I liked it generally but it was definitely forgettable...I think I remember a boat?

I don't know what the differences are, yet.


Title: Re: Journey into Fear (European Cut)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 12, 2016, 08:42:34 PM
I vaguely remember this movie; I saw it once a few years ago, probably on TCM. I think Welles plays a Turkish general or something, a pretty enjoyable character to watch.


As I was watching the movie - without knowing any background at all - I figured that Welles must have been involved with the direction. There are some unconventional shots - I particularly remember one in a car chase - that definitely seem unique.


Title: Re: Journey into Fear (European Cut)
Post by: stanton on July 13, 2016, 07:19:19 AM
It's a Welles film directed by someone else, but most likely also directed in parts by Welles himself. Fine thriller. 7 or 8/10


Title: Re: Journey into Fear (European Cut)
Post by: Novecento on July 13, 2016, 11:51:54 AM
There is a French release too (assuming the European cut?)

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDReviews10/journey_into_fear.htm

Out of curiosity why are you linking to amazon.co.uk for a Spanish release? Wouldn't amazon.es make more sense?

https://www.amazon.es/Journey_Into_Fear-DVD-Orson-Welles/dp/B001AZ4QQI/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1468432182&sr=8-4&keywords=journey+into+fear



Title: Re: Journey into Fear (European Cut)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 13, 2016, 12:35:19 PM
There is a French release too (assuming the European cut?)

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDReviews10/journey_into_fear.htm

Out of curiosity why are you linking to amazon.co.uk for a Spanish release? Wouldn't amazon.es make more sense?

https://www.amazon.es/Journey_Into_Fear-DVD-Orson-Welles/dp/B001AZ4QQI/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1468432182&sr=8-4&keywords=journey+into+fear



I assume it's because everyone here speaks English but not everyone speaks Spanish  ;)

Just comparing the two prices, for Americans: at the moment, the Spanish price is cheaper: 8.99 euros = 9.99 dollars, whereas 10.51 pounds = 13.83 dollars. I am not sure about shipping costs.


Title: Re: Journey into Fear (European Cut)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 13, 2016, 12:44:01 PM
I don't know what the differences are, yet.

do you even know for sure that there are any differences?


Title: Re: Journey into Fear (European Cut)
Post by: cigar joe on July 14, 2016, 04:12:20 AM
do you even know for sure that there are any differences?

I'll know when I get it. Stand by.


Title: Re: Journey Into Fear (1943)
Post by: greenbudgie on March 22, 2017, 06:48:38 AM
I was caught out by the brevity of the film. I was really getting into it with the rain-swept window ledge scene. Then wham bang it's all over.

I like Joseph Cotten in this, getting embroiled in a situation he doesn't understand like he did later in 'The Third Man.' It's very mysterious and menacing which are the qualities that I really like in a film.


Title: Re: Journey Into Fear (1943)
Post by: Jessica Rabbit on March 22, 2017, 10:33:31 AM
I don't think it has ever been really established who directed Journey Into Fear. Officially directed by Norman Foster, Orson Welles always denied meddling in the direction of his friend Foster, but one look at the movie tells every moviegoer that Welles obviously had his finger in the pie directing the film. I'd say the camera angles and visually detailed arrangements of the shots are signature Welles.

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I was caught out by the brevity of the film.
Greenbudgie, the film only has a short running time of 68 minutes. Apparently the original version was 90 minutes long, but the powers that be at RKO took their hatchets and butchered the movie down to 68 minutes. Due to cutting, there are subplots that are only implied, but never explicitly explained.

However, the longer European cut has been found. Morrison Dylon, who seems to be MIA here, wrote about it a few months ago on imdb after seeing it. But unfortunately it has not come out on DVD yet. I'd really love to see it too.


Title: Re: Journey Into Fear (1943)
Post by: dave jenkins on March 22, 2017, 02:50:13 PM
However, the longer European cut has been found. Morrison Dylon, who seems to be MIA here, wrote about it a few months ago on imdb after seeing it. But unfortunately it has not come out on DVD yet. I'd really love to see it too.
Hmm, any idea how much longer it is?


Title: Re: Journey Into Fear (1943)
Post by: Jessica Rabbit on March 22, 2017, 03:25:48 PM
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any idea how much longer it is?

No, not exactly but I as far as I remember it's probably around the original 90 minutes. The version is quite different, it has no voice-over I believe. If morrison pops up again, I'll ask him to repost.


Title: Re: Journey Into Fear (1943)
Post by: cigar joe on March 22, 2017, 03:37:12 PM
I got the Spanish DVD that he mentioned, it's longer starting off with an intro that doesn't really add anything to the whole, I actually prefer the more cryptic version we have and know.


Title: Re: Journey Into Fear (1943)
Post by: Jessica Rabbit on March 22, 2017, 03:39:10 PM
Joe, can you tell us a bit more about the Spanish DVD? Is it remastered, how long is it, and what's so different between the two versions? Also, is the DVD Region 2?


Title: Re: Journey Into Fear (1943)
Post by: stanton on March 23, 2017, 04:07:07 AM
Hmm, I don't remember that the German version was longer than the US one.


Title: Re: Journey Into Fear (1943)
Post by: cigar joe on March 23, 2017, 06:27:20 AM
Joe, can you tell us a bit more about the Spanish DVD? Is it remastered, how long is it, and what's so different between the two versions? Also, is the DVD Region 2?

It's a "Clasicos del Cine Negro" title, the title is Estambul, No it's not remastered, it's Region 2 and listed as 70 minute run time. And assuming that's a PAL rather than NTSC run time.

Instead of starting outside the hotel room of the assassin Banat and zooming up to the room, it has a regular RKO radio tower logo beginning with complete credits, then shows a map of Istanbul before going to the beginning we all know i.e. the street zoom up to room then to assassin. Next assassin in street watching hotel. Then to arrival of Cotton and his wife at hotel. Their meeting with Sloane at the hotel. Then Sloane suggests they go down to the bar to talk business. Then they go to cabaret around corner and watch lady in catsuit. Assassin then arrives at cabaret. Then magic act. Then the murder of Magician. Then to police station to meet Welles secret police inspector colonel Haki. It may have a few more scenes or just extended scenes. I'd have to watch them back to back to tell you more.


Title: Re: Journey Into Fear (1943)
Post by: Jessica Rabbit on March 23, 2017, 07:55:49 AM
Joe, thanks. So I was wrong about it being 90 minutes long. Really just a few minutes longer than the other print. If it's not remastered, I doubt I'll buy it.


Title: Re: Journey Into Fear (1943)
Post by: greenbudgie on March 24, 2017, 05:54:36 AM
Thanks Jessica for explaining why the film was so short when I saw it. I'm interested in seeing any extended versions there are as the TV channels that I see always show the abbreviated version.


Title: Re: Journey Into Fear (1943)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 05, 2017, 02:16:02 AM
This movie showed last week on TCM Noir Alley. I DVR'd it; I'll be saving it on my DVR until a normal DVD/BRD is released  :)

Eddie Muller's intro: https://youtu.be/vHFtLa6PHac

Eddie Muller's afterword: https://youtu.be/3Am4ltNECrY


In the intro, at the 2:00 mark, Muller mistakenly refers to the leading lady as "DORIS Del Rio" – her name is actually, of course, DOLORES del Rio.


Title: Re: Journey Into Fear (1943)
Post by: Jessica Rabbit on June 05, 2017, 09:46:06 AM
Thanks again for uploading, D & D. I'll add an old review of mine later, it needs a bit of reworking.