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Films of Sergio Leone => The Good, The Bad and The Ugly => Topic started by: Cusser on February 27, 2014, 05:55:26 AM



Title: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: Cusser on February 27, 2014, 05:55:26 AM
"The Good, the Bad and the Ugly", my all-time favorite film (plus a great anti-war film for those who have figured it out) has dropped to number 6 on IMDB's all-time film list (Il Buono, il Brutto, il Cattivo), still not too shabby for a western made by Italians in 1966.  http://www.imdb.com/chart/top

Ahead of it are The Shawshank Redemption (1994), The Godfather (1972), The Godfather: Part II (1974), The Dark Knight (2008), Pulp Fiction (1994).


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: dave jenkins on February 27, 2014, 07:43:43 AM
What was its position before it "dropped"?


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: cigar joe on February 27, 2014, 12:23:43 PM
4 with Pulp Fiction and The Dark Night not even close.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: Dust Devil on February 27, 2014, 03:49:56 PM
What was its position before it "dropped"?

Like five to seven years ago it was 3rd or even 2nd on the list, if I remember right. Not that the position means anything, but still, nice to see folks have at least some taste left in 'em.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 27, 2014, 03:56:35 PM
GBU, OUATIA, OUATITW, FOD, and FAFDM are all on the IMDB Top 250  :)

A Streetcar Named Desire is not  :o >:(


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: stanton on February 28, 2014, 02:23:54 AM
IMDB is for losers anyway ...


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: Dust Devil on February 28, 2014, 05:44:52 AM
It's a nice site containing useful information, and that's it.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: stanton on February 28, 2014, 05:47:42 AM
That's true ...


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 28, 2014, 06:28:15 AM
Forget the lists, the ratings, the message boards, the annoying ads, etc. IMDB is a GREAT site for the basic info about movies; having a site that has virtually every movie ever made - the name, release date, cast, etc. – is indispensable. There is no other single site you can find that stuff; in many instances, that info is unavailable anywhere. Where else can you find e.g. the cast or release date of some obscure movie from the 1930's that has never been released on DVD, but you just watched on TCM and wanna know more info about? So far as I know, nowhere.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: moviesceleton on February 28, 2014, 06:49:12 AM
I think GBU was #4 for many years, but I can't remember seeing it any higher than that.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: dave jenkins on February 28, 2014, 07:52:13 AM
I think GBU was #4 for many years, but I can't remember seeing it any higher than that.
That's just amazing. I take it it has always been below the Godfather films?


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: moviesceleton on February 28, 2014, 08:13:50 AM
That's just amazing. I take it it has always been below the Godfather films?
... and The Shawshank Redemption...


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 28, 2014, 08:51:16 AM
 Shawshank has very famously held the #1 spot for a while http://www.shawshankredemption.org/wsj.htm


Here is the IMDB 250 list http://www.imdb.com/chart/top?tt0993846&ref_=tt_awd

right now, five Leone films are in the Top 250
GBU #6
OUATITW #24
OUATUA #78
FAFDM #99
FOD #237



Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: stanton on February 28, 2014, 01:04:16 PM
I always avoided to watch The Shawshank Redemption, I can't remember that I ever read anything interesting about The Shawshank Redemption, something that would make me curious. How comes that it is that popular? In the S&S list it got only (at least?) 1 vote ...


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: noodles_leone on February 28, 2014, 02:15:10 PM
I always avoided to watch The Shawshank Redemption, I can't remember that I ever read anything interesting about The Shawshank Redemption, something that would make me curious. How comes that it is that popular? In the S&S list it got only (at least?) 1 vote ...

Same here. The poster doesn't scream "MASTERPIECE" either.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: Dust Devil on February 28, 2014, 02:40:17 PM
From now on I'll watch only movies whose posters scream: ''MASTERPIECE!''.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: noodles_leone on February 28, 2014, 03:10:51 PM
It was an euphemism BUT it would also make you watch most Leone movies...
... aaaaand without that poster trick I know you'll watch the original Robocop over and over so you can thank me.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: Cusser on February 28, 2014, 06:18:09 PM
I would say that in my opinion that The Shawshank Redemption is a damn good film, and very enjoyable.

The Godfather, The Godfather: Part II, and Pulp Fiction are pretty darn good too.

Other non-Leone favorites that come to my mind at the moment are Stalag 17, Red River, Treasure of the Sierra Madre, Adventures of Robin Hood, Captain Blood, Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, Searchers. Great Escape, Benjamin Button, Forrest Gump....


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: emmo26 on March 09, 2014, 07:11:05 PM
In my honest opinion, the 250 cant be taken seriously if "All the President's Men" and "The French Connection" didn't make the cut!


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: emmo26 on March 09, 2014, 07:15:01 PM
If I remember rightly, star wars was in the top 3 in the early days.

Sci Fi fan voters will always have the  block vote.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: Lil Brutto on March 10, 2014, 01:40:28 AM
I always avoided to watch The Shawshank Redemption, I can't remember that I ever read anything interesting about The Shawshank Redemption, something that would make me curious.

Why would you avoid watching a great film? The fact that it tanked at the box office yet became one of the most popular home releases of all time should make you curious.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: stanton on March 10, 2014, 03:10:36 AM
Cause it doesn't look like a film I expect to be great, nor entertaining. It was so often on TV the last years, I always thought about watching it, but always did something else in the time.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: titoli on March 10, 2014, 04:18:05 AM
I saw TSR, long time ago. Nothing memorable. Hollywoodish. Yeah, entertaining, but not more entertaining than another hundred hollywood movies. A mystery why it should be that popular. My guess is that the female audience may like it more than more male oriented movies like GBU or Pulp. A mystery nonetheless.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 10, 2014, 09:09:28 AM
TSR does not deserve to be #1, not even top 25, maybe not even top 50. But it is a damn good movie and anyone who doesn't see it is missing out.....


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: noodles_leone on March 10, 2014, 09:29:53 AM
The real question is: is this as much a damn good movie as The Green Mile? If it is I swear I'll never ever watch it.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: dave jenkins on March 10, 2014, 09:50:58 AM
I saw TSR, long time ago. Nothing memorable. Hollywoodish. Yeah, entertaining, but not more entertaining than another hundred hollywood movies. A mystery why it should be that popular. My guess is that the female audience may like it more than more male oriented movies . . .
To say nothing of the effeminate metro-sexuals who frequent IMDb.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: noodles_leone on March 10, 2014, 09:58:16 AM
To say nothing of the effeminate metro-sexuals who frequent IMDb.

Gay subtext.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: dave jenkins on March 10, 2014, 09:59:38 AM
The real question is: is this as much a damn good movie as The Green Mile? If it is I swear I'll never ever watch it.
I'm with you.

I once had to substitute for a teacher who was showing Shawshank to her class; the part I saw was either the beginning or somewhere in the middle; either way, the experience was so painful that I vowed never to watch the film in its entirety.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 10, 2014, 11:02:18 AM
I never saw THE GREEN MILE so I can't compare.
Not watching a movie cuz you once walked in in middle and didn't like a few minutes?.... There seem to be two kinds of people on the SLWB: those who have seen TSR, and those who bash TSR


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: dave jenkins on March 10, 2014, 11:22:58 AM
I never saw THE GREEN MILE so I can't compare.
Not watching a movie cuz you once walked in in middle and didn't like a few minutes?....
A few? It was a good 45 min. That was enough to know it wasn't for me.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: noodles_leone on March 10, 2014, 11:24:34 AM
There seem to be two kinds of people on the SLWB: those who have seen TSR, and those who bash TSR

Exactly. And those who have seen TSR have no soul.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 10, 2014, 11:35:25 AM
They're probably also Commies who don't watch Fox News


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: stanton on March 10, 2014, 01:50:26 PM
There seem to be two kinds of people on the SLWB: those who have seen TSR, and those who bash TSR
Then I'm the third party. I have not seen it, I don't bash it.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: emmo26 on March 10, 2014, 02:11:12 PM
My guess is that the female audience may like TSR more than more male oriented movies like GBU or Pulp. A mystery nonetheless.

What was it that won the females voters over? Was it the sweaty assed men stuck in a prison, or was it the anal male rape scene?


If your premise was correct then Titanic would be number one.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: titoli on March 11, 2014, 09:11:44 AM
To say nothing of the effeminate metro-sexuals who frequent IMDb.

I promptly concede You're the  one who can speak about that. You probably "forgot", though, to add "interracial" for political correctedness. Did You?


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: titoli on March 11, 2014, 09:13:24 AM


What was it that won the females voters over? Was it the sweaty assed men stuck in a prison, or was it the anal male rape scene?




The interracial love story, probably.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: emmo26 on April 03, 2014, 02:48:22 AM
I see that ´The Lego Movie´ is now in the #250.  Beating the likes of There Will Be Blood, Ben Hur and Gandhi.


Who knows, this time next week in might be number 1.  :D


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: stanton on April 03, 2014, 05:08:41 AM
Ben Hur and Ghandi are totally mediocre and totally dead films. Both belong to the worst Oscar winners ever. I'm sure that The Lego Movie deserves to beat them.

Maybe IMDB is more reasonable than I thought ...


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: drinkanddestroy on May 10, 2015, 03:15:40 AM
GBU has now dropped to #8 on IMDB. Since this thread was started, Twelve Angry Men and Schindler's List have jumped ahead of GBU.

complete IMDB 250 list: http://www.imdb.com/chart/top?tt0068646&ref_=tt_awd

The top 10 are:

1. The Shawshank Redemption
2. The Godfather
3. the Godfather Part II
4. The Dark Knight
5. Pulp Fiction
6. Twelve Angry Men
7. Schindler's List
8. GBU
9. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
10. Fight Club



For Leone movies: GBU is #8, OUATITW is #29, OUATIA is #74, FAFDM is #94, FOD is #231 (DYS is not on the list; it has a 7.7/10 rating, but has less than 20,000 votes; in order to qualify for the top 250 list, a movie needs to have at least 25,000 votes from "regular voters," adjusted by IMDB's algorithms)

The formula for calculating the Top Rated 250 Titles gives a true Bayesian estimate:

weighted rating (WR) = (v ÷ (v+m)) × R + (m ÷ (v+m)) × C

Where:

    R = average for the movie (mean) = (Rating)
    v = number of votes for the movie = (votes)
    m = minimum votes required to be listed in the Top 250 (currently 25000)
    C = the mean vote across the whole report (currently 7.0)

For the Top 250, only votes from regular voters are considered.


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Here are some random notes on the rest of the IMDB Top 250 list:

Scorsese: Goodfellas is #17, The Departed is #45, Taxi Driver is #79, Raging Bull is #113, The Wolf of Wall Street is #138, Casino is #139, Shutter Island is #201

Hitchcock: Psycho is #36, Rear Window is #37, North by Northwest is #63, Vertigo is #67, Rebecca is #146, Dial M for Murder is #159, Strangers on a Train is #205, Notorious is #222

Wilder: Sunset Blvd. is #48, Double Indemnity is #80, Witness for the Prosecution is #81, The Apartment is #99, Some Like It Hot is #107. The Lost Weekend and Ace in the Hole do not have enough votes to qualify for the list.

Westerns are severely underrepresented. Other than the four Leone Westerns mentioned above, the only Westerns on the list are Django Unchained at #58  ::), Unforgiven at #110, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid at #173, and High Noon at #214. That's it. The entire IMDB 250 list has 8 Westerns. High Noon (which I am not a big fan of) is the only classic American Western that made the IMDB 250. Not a single John Ford or Howard Hawks Western made it, whether because their ratings weren't high enough or they didn't have enough votes to qualify.

Casablanca is #30
Whiplash is #39
Citizen Kane is #65
Lawrence of Arabia is #84
Bicycle Thieves is #87
Gone Girl is #147 – BULLSHIT!
The Deer Hunter is #148
Judgement at Nuremberg is #149
Gone With the Wind is #155 – still way too high
There Will Be Blood is #178
The 400 Blows is #182
The Best Years of Our Lives is #196
Boyhood is #209
The Night of the Hunter is #230 – BULLSHIT!


A Streetcar Named Desire did not make the top 250. That is crazy.
Out of the Past does not have enough votes to qualify for the list.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: stanton on May 10, 2015, 03:26:08 AM
How comes that Gone with the Wind is not in the top 10?


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: drinkanddestroy on May 10, 2015, 03:27:16 AM
How comes that Gone with the Wind is not in the top 10?

I hate that movie. It shouldn't even be in the top 500


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: Groggy on May 10, 2015, 07:12:07 AM
I'm glad The Dark Knight is down to #4. Maybe in a few centuries, moviegoers will wise up enough to vote it off the list entirely. O0


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: stanton on May 10, 2015, 10:03:59 AM
Better The Godfather, The Godfather Part II, Pulp Fiction, GBU and Fight Club should be dropped of the list, they are just too good for such a list. ;)


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
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Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: Mr.Cho-Cho on January 05, 2016, 05:24:47 AM
Better The Godfather, The Godfather Part II, Pulp Fiction, GBU and Fight Club should be dropped of the list, they are just too good for such a list. ;)


I was about to  :'( but then I got to the end of your post.

I like IMDB because it's made me discover a tonne of movies that 20 years ago, would just not be possible; especially the information about silent films. It really is an amazing tool, but the other side of the user input isn't as great and the Top 250 list is obviously based on popularity which negates it. Still, I must admit when I first got into movies in the early 2000s (when GBU was probably about #20) I used the 250 as a guide to watch the "best movies ever made"; AND The Shawshank Redemption is a great movie, but I was a fan before it was cool to like it  ;)

I really think that a major problem now is that a lot of movies in the past 10 years or so that are being produced in Hollywood aren't that great, but I have an idea that the studios somehow manipulate the IMDB voting system so most blockbusters appear on the list during the first couple of weeks of release.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: stanton on January 05, 2016, 05:50:48 AM
I was about to  :'( but then I got to the end of your post.

I like IMDB because it's made me discover a tonne of movies that 20 years ago, would just not be possible; especially the information about silent films. It really is an amazing tool, but the other side of the user input isn't as great and the Top 250 list is obviously based on popularity which negates it. Still, I must admit when I first got into movies in the early 2000s (when GBU was probably about #20) I used the 250 as a guide to watch the "best movies ever made"; AND The Shawshank Redemption is a great movie, but I was a fan before it was cool to like it  ;)

I really think that a major problem now is that a lot of movies in the past 10 years or so that are being produced in Hollywood aren't that great, but I have an idea that the studios somehow manipulate the IMDB voting system so most blockbusters appear on the list during the first couple of weeks of release.

The simple fact that every movie with less than 30 or 50 000 votes (don't know the exact number) is excluded from the top 250, makes sure that tons of outsider films are out, so that there are mainly films which everybody has at least heard about once, and nobody must wonder about films they have never heard about.
Without these vote limit e.g. many Tarkovsky films would be in the list.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: Mr.Cho-Cho on January 05, 2016, 07:22:29 AM
Yeah of course the vote limit is a key element, but it is at a major disadvantage to older films and foreign films which don't have the same coverage. Not that it matters, there are plenty of other sources to see the top films ever made.

I've only ever seen 'The Mirror' and 'Solyaris' but both great films, I really want to see 'Stalker', but there are 100s of film that can fit in the same category.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: stanton on January 05, 2016, 01:13:29 PM
The Sight and Sound list is for that matter more fun.

And the They Shoot Pictures, Don't They list, a kind of meta list build on a lot of other lists. But only on lists which have some kind of reputation.

http://www.theyshootpictures.com/gf1000.htm


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: Mr.Cho-Cho on January 06, 2016, 03:46:45 AM
Yes, I haven't searched through TSPDT extensively before; but I enjoy it as it's named after my favourite Michael Sarrazin movie and also contains some great profile pages of my favourite directors along with quotes about them that I've never read before.

I've never gone through their full film list before though.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 09, 2017, 12:11:05 AM
We first discussed the Leone film's IMDB ranking in February 2014, and then again in May 2015. Here is how the Leone films have fared on IMDB at those two time periods, and now:



GBU was #6 in February 2014, #8 in May 2015, and is now #9

OUATITW was #24 in February 2014, #29 in May 2015, and is now #31

OUATIA was #78 in February 2014, #74 in May 2015, and is now #69

FAFDM was #99 in Feb. 2014, #94 in May 2015, and is now #105

FOD was #237 in Feb. 2014, #231 in May 2015, and has now fallen out of the top 250

(DYS was never on the list; it has a solid 7.7/10 rating)

Full IMDB 250 list: http://www.imdb.com/chart/top


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 09, 2017, 12:21:45 AM
We first discussed the Leone film's IMDB ranking in February 2014, and then again in May 2015. Here is how the Leone films have fared on IMDB at those two time periods, and now:



GBU was #6 in February 2014, #8 in May 2015, and is now #9

OUATITW was #24 in February 2014, #29 in May 2015, and is now #31

OUATIA was #78 in February 2014, #74 in May 2015, and is now #69

FAFDM was #99 in Feb. 2014, #94 in May 2015, and is now #105

FOD was #237 in Feb. 2014, #231 in May 2015, and has now fallen out of the top 250

(DYS was never on the list; it has a solid 7.7/10 rating)

Full IMDB 250 list: http://www.imdb.com/chart/top


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: stanton on October 09, 2017, 02:30:52 AM
Reminds me that I have watched The Shawshank Redemption meanwhile, and while it was entertaining (6/10), I have now for sure no idea why it is featured that high. Actually being in the top 250 in a lower position would be surprise enough.  :-\



Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: cigar joe on October 09, 2017, 04:46:10 AM
IMDb list is now totally irrelevant, too much fanboy manipulation voting their favorites with 10s and all others with 1s en masse it was first mentioned by posters when Batman shot inexplicably up and was repeated with other blockbusters.


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: stanton on October 09, 2017, 05:20:26 AM
Well, it was never a list I could take seriously. Still the love for TSR surprises me. It is not a famous film here in Germany, unlike the others which are in the top 20. (famous does not necessarily means also good)


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: drinkanddestroy on October 09, 2017, 12:13:37 PM
Article on SHAWSHANK https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2014/09/shawshank-redemption-anniversary-story/amp


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: emmo26 on October 11, 2017, 02:07:54 PM
I gave up when The Lego Movie made the top 250


Title: Re: GBU drops to #6 on IMDB
Post by: cigar joe on October 11, 2017, 02:35:20 PM
I gave up when The Lego Movie made the top 250

exactly.