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Title: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: Cusser on May 13, 2014, 11:02:01 PM
Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival. 

"The Cannes Film Festival has set a screening of a restored version of 1964′s “A Fistful of Dollars” for May 24 with Quentin Tarantino hosting the closing-night event.

The screening will commemorate the 50th anniversary of the release of the first Spaghetti Western, directed by Sergio Leone  and starring Clint Eastwood and Gian Maria Volonte.

The film will be screened after prizes have been awarded, using a new copy restored by the Cineteca di Bologna. The restoration was undertaken by the Cineteca di Bologna and Unidis Jolly Film (the original producer and distributor); the Hollywood Foreign Press Association and Martin Scorsese’s Film Foundation were also involved.

The Immagine Ritrovata film restoration laboratory digitized the original Techniscope camera negative and restored it to 4K resolution. Cinematographer Ennio Guarneri oversaw the digital calibration.

The digital restoration of the sound used two optical negatives of the English version owned by Unidis Jolly Film and MGM, remixed with two separate magnetic sets containing the original pre-mixes of the music and the effects."


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: drinkanddestroy on May 14, 2014, 02:06:57 AM
nice  :) :) :) :)

does this mean another BRD is coming?


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: dave jenkins on May 14, 2014, 10:27:50 AM
nice  :) :) :) :)

does this mean another BRD is coming?
Undoubtedly.


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: Novecento on May 14, 2014, 07:25:56 PM
Great news.

Let's hope this blu-ray.com poster's concerns are unfounded:

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As a Cineteca di Bologna supporter, I have mixed feelings about the new restorations scheduled for Cannes. Tag Gallagher has already pointed out some controversy about Angst, whose Italian version wasn't directly supervised by Rossellini. But I am also worried about the three Sergio Leone films. As a matter of fact, the 2009 Cineteca di Bologna restoration of The Good, the Bad, the Ugly had major issues concerning the soundtrack (Morricone's score was also inadvertedly altered), and I wonder if this new resto is going to fix this (Bologna never acknowledged the problems existed). Moreover, in 2007 Cineteca Nazionale already did a beautiful restoration of A Fistful of Dollars, using 2k resolution and Fuji 8511RDI film stock (budget: 300.000 €). Since the film was shot in low resolution Techniscope, I am not sure the new 4k format will actually improve the picture quality. Also, since legal issues prevented access to the 2007 restoration, I am also concerned about the soundtrack: in 2007, Morricone and his personal sound designer reconstructed the 1964 mono mix working on the original sound elements, but who is doing the new Bologna restoration?


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: drinkanddestroy on May 14, 2014, 08:34:11 PM
The poster says he is worried about "the three Sergio Leone films." Does that mean they are remastering the entire Dollars trilogy?

I really hope these remasterings are an improvement. In the case of Leone's movies, crazy fans like us will probably just buy every release for the sake of having it; unless I hear terrible things about it, I'l probably buy it no matter what.

I already own the Ripley's blu-ray of FOD (an Italian DVD, but it has the English-language option and is region-free), as I've discussed on other threads, I think it looks absolutely beautiful; I don't know much about technical stuff, and really wonder if subsequent restorations will add anything significant? As the poster said, there is a certain limitation to any film, based on its source; (at least with the present technology), it's never gonna look like stuff that is shot with today's HD cameras... and really, would you want it to? I am all for making a film look the best it can look, ie. as close as possible to how it looked when released, but I really fear that it often crosses the line to "improving" the original look, which to me is bullshit. As I said recently in the Shane thread after watching that BRD, the colors look so different now, I wonder if the restorers are just trying to "improve" it and therefore we are not seeing the movie that George Stevens intended. How he would have have made it if he had access to 2014 technology is irrelevant; we should be focused on preserving how it was made and that's all. (I discuss this issue in this post RE: Shane http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=486.msg171627#msg171627 and also provide this link to a discussion by Martin Scorsese about restoration vs. improvement http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=10908.msg160282#msg160282 )

I think DJ recently said, RE: the new BRD of BMTHO Alfredo Garcia, something like "I'm absolutely convinced the film never looked this good." I just wonder if that's a good thing. I mean, we all criticized ted Turner for colorizing old b/w films, but is "improving" the color of old color films really that much different?

With all that being said, the fact that there are all these restorations is a great positive because it shows there are still people and film restorers that care about Leone's films, so we can (hopefully) be assured that his films will never be neglected; the very fact that all these restoration attempts are being made lets me know that these films will never fall into neglect  :) Now, if we can only get a proper restoration of DYS with the correct audio. (In the interviews  Scorsese did after the recent restoration of OUATIA, I remember that he discussed what a great film DYS is and that it is still under-appreciated. Maybe he'll decide to undertake a proper restoration on that  ;) )


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: stanton on May 17, 2014, 12:36:39 PM
Some different thoughts on the different restorations:


https://www.facebook.com/notes/ripleys-home-video/a-fistful-of-dollars-re-restored/10152425272305056



Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: dave jenkins on May 17, 2014, 01:47:11 PM
Some different thoughts on the different restorations:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/ripleys-home-video/a-fistful-of-dollars-re-restored/10152425272305056
Actually, a lot of thoughts on the earlier restoration, the new one, not so much.

From what I understand, the changing technology makes it possible to do better restorations now then ones done even 7 years ago. So it's possible that this new restoration will be an improvement over the Ripley's one. Which is all to the good. Leone's films are among the greatest works in all of cinema. We should have them in the best possible form at all times. If it's possible to continue to improve them forever, then I say have at it. The rest of the crap that's called cinema can wait its turn.


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: Sundance on May 19, 2014, 02:46:31 AM
Well according to that statement by Ripley it seems me they think their version looks like it is supposed to look.

The new restoration supposedly looks like this: http://video.repubblica.it/dossier/cannes-2014/per-un-pugno-di-dollari-restaurato-a-cannes-e-poi-in-sala/165118/163609

(new vs old)
(http://www.spaghettiwesterndvds.com/restorations.jpg)


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: dave jenkins on May 19, 2014, 08:14:37 AM
I favor the new yellow-ized approach. I think SL was going for a sepia effect in his Dollars films. Salvati seems to think so too. Now that we can see the contrasting colors, the blues and pinks of the older transfers seem like so much BS. The flesh tones in these old transfers have never been correct. And Leone's West was a very dusty place. Bring on the Good, the Brown, and the Urological.


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: drinkanddestroy on May 19, 2014, 08:58:59 AM
Well according to that statement by Ripley it seems me they think their version looks like it is supposed to look.

The new restoration supposedly looks like this: http://video.repubblica.it/dossier/cannes-2014/per-un-pugno-di-dollari-restaurato-a-cannes-e-poi-in-sala/165118/163609

(new vs old)
(http://www.spaghettiwesterndvds.com/restorations.jpg)

that shot on the left is awful, awful, awful. You can't even see the mountains, it's all hazy in back. The mountains of the Spanish desert are one of the recognizable features of Leone's Westerns, and now we can't even see them properly?  >:(


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: dave jenkins on May 19, 2014, 10:16:32 AM
We will have to see this in motion to be sure. Don't be hasty.


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: Sundance on May 19, 2014, 12:18:01 PM
I think SL was going for a sepia effect in his Dollars films. Salvati seems to think so too. Now that we can see the contrasting colors, the blues and pinks of the older transfers seem like so much BS. The flesh tones in these old transfers have never been correct. And Leone's West was a very dusty place. Bring on the Good, the Brown, and the Urological.

But Ripley Film says about their restoration "virtually faithfully reproduce the charm of the original colors of the copies printed and distributed in 1964, especially the reds and blacks. " They are lying? ;)


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: dave jenkins on May 19, 2014, 12:25:12 PM
But Ripley Film says about their restoration "virtually faithfully reproduce the charm of the original colors of the copies printed and distributed in 1964, especially the reds and blacks. " They are lying? ;)
No, I'm sure they did their best. But we can't go back to 1964 and see what the prints actually looked like then. And people's memories are unreliable.

But the skin tones of actors were never that red on film. We never saw complexions like that until the DVD age. They may have got some things right, but Ripley's blew it on the skin tones.


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: Sundance on May 19, 2014, 12:38:48 PM
But but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technicolor
"Because the dye transfer process used stable acid dyes, Technicolor prints are considered of archival quality. A Technicolor print from the dye transfer era will retain its original colors virtually unchanged for decades with proper storage"

?

And the new GBU colors are said to be the way they are because Salvati said yellow AND the restoration team took a look at vintage IB prints of the film.

Then again there's already one guy at blu-ray.com who says his IB print of GBU does not look like the screenshots from the new disc. ;)

Also it has been reported the new AFOD restoration would be based on one technicolor print. If they are not reliable no wonder the new restoration looks so shitty.

;)


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: dave jenkins on May 19, 2014, 12:52:17 PM
As far as I know, Techniscope and Technicolor are two different processes. But that's all I know. I don't know how reliable Techniscope archive materials are. I did not think they were a dye transfer process. But I don't know much about any of this.


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: Sundance on May 19, 2014, 02:55:49 PM
The way I thought it is that when the prints for theatrical distribution were made those were made with Technicolor or Eastman color (fades way way more in time?) or whatever.

But I don't really know anything about this either so... ;)

EDIT: There's actually an eastman print of GBU for sale here http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clint-Eastwoods-THE-GOOD-THE-BAD-AND-THE-UGLY-on-35mm-film-/251486242442?pt=US_Film&hash=item3a8dbf868a


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: cigar joe on May 24, 2014, 04:33:28 AM
We will have to see this in motion to be sure. Don't be hasty.

I agree see it in motion before your final judgement.


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: Cusser on May 24, 2014, 08:05:31 AM
In the southwest, Mexico, Almeria, etc., the sun is so bright that there is normally/everyday so much contrast between a shaded face and bright landscapes, otherwise is artificial.  I know the spaghetti westerns used aluminum reflectors to reflect light onto the actors' faces to brighten them up a little, otherwise you'd barely see their faces.  And if the exposure gets opened up, the bright stuff looks bleached out.  So not easy.


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: noodles_leone on May 29, 2014, 04:45:19 AM
More screenshots (no comparison):

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152562948658132.1073741997.355192863131&type=1

Most of those shots look better than any version of FoD I have ever seen (I have to say I never watched the BRD I own). I never really liked the lights and colors from the first dollar film, but the yellowed approach seems to work fine here. Especially on faces, that suffer from terrible direct lightening coming from behind the camera both in FoD and FafDM. Heavy color correction is often a cheap trick to help images that have not been correctly lighted and/or framed so it's a good thing here. No idea what Leone wanted so it's just an expression of my personal taste.

I rest my case for GBU where Delli Colli lightened with such attention and precision that heavy color correction does nothing but destroy his great and subtle work. Eh, I'd rather watch GBU in B&W than yellowed. At least the lightening will be preserved.


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: dave jenkins on May 29, 2014, 06:18:16 AM
More screenshots (no comparison):

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152562948658132.1073741997.355192863131&type=1

Wonderful skin tones!


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: Sundance on May 29, 2014, 06:32:40 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t31.0-8/10295469_10152562949983132_7369661714130743229_o.jpg
vs
http://www.spaghettiwesterndvds.com/screenshots/a_fistful_of_dollars-rhv-bluray-0h14m32s1920.jpg

https://scontent-b-mad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/1277174_10152562954103132_1378207559194578594_o.jpg
vs
http://www.spaghettiwesterndvds.com/screenshots/a_fistful_of_dollars-rhv-bluray-1h32m46s1920.jpg
In this second comparison the old Italian Blu looks to be of better quality (not talking about the colors)? Almost like the new one were 2k and the old 4k... but maybe it is just my eyes/brain not working. :P Then again it is a different frame so....


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: noodles_leone on May 29, 2014, 10:58:03 AM
Yep the old one looks crispier on these pics.


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: brutto on June 21, 2014, 08:32:44 AM
with the film restored Cineteca of Bologna discover this incredible and never seen behind the scenes; note Sergio Leone with the poncho behind Eastwood...AMAZING!!!

http://www.repubblica.it/spettacoli/cinema/2014/06/18/news/la_trilogia_del_dollaro_in_sala_eastwood_restaurato_tra_ciak_ed_errori_di_set-89354504/?ref=search


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: Jordan Krug on July 07, 2014, 08:43:40 PM
http://youtu.be/Q2Fddc9o158

Tarantino's introduction...as usual full of a lot of hyperbole- but he says "I can't wait to see this new print with the extra four minutes". Is it possible they have added scenes to the film? Or I guess maybe they just premiered the same 4 minutes of outtakes that were released online.


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 07, 2014, 09:25:24 PM
I really enjoyed this intro by Tarantino. Great stuff!

Do y'all agree with Tarantino's statement that Morricone and Eastwood are Leone's two greatest collaborators?


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: noodles_leone on July 08, 2014, 01:54:47 AM
Thanks Jordan!

D&D: they surely had the most interesting solo career, but as collaborators, they were just as great as Delli Colli, Baragli, Simi and many many others.


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: dave jenkins on July 08, 2014, 09:15:14 AM
D&D: they surely had the most interesting solo career, but as collaborators, they were just as great as Delli Colli, Baragli, Simi and many many others.
Tru dat, homes.


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: dave jenkins on November 02, 2014, 12:53:06 PM
New 4K restoration screening at MoMA this Thursday at 8! Drink, if you're not there, you just don't care!


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 03, 2014, 10:57:45 AM
remember this exchange from Quentin Tarantino


Question: What are the prints you prize most?

Tarantino: I have all three Sergio Leone Clint Eastwood movies in I.B. Technicolor. Magnificent-looking. I just saw the DCP restoration of A Fistful of Dollars at Cannes. I introduced it. I felt like I was watching a DVD. I said, "Why didn’t you ask me to bring my fucking print?" They said, ‘Well, there was three extra minutes in this." I said, "I’ve seen that movie a million times and I didn’t notice those extra minutes. I just noticed that it looked like a fucking DVD."


(in this interview http://www.laweekly.com/publicspectacle/2014/09/05/quentin-tarantino-on-his-new-role-running-the-shows-at-new-beverly-cinema originally shared by n_l in the GBU IB Technicolor Print thread)

well, I assume this is the version of FOD DJ and I will be seeing at MoMA Thursday night.

anyway, we'll have to keep an eye out for whether there are three extra minutes. But the version of FOD that we in America have always seen is 100 minutes long, and the MoMA says this movie will be 99 minutes long, so I doubt we'll be in for an extra three minutes. (I'm not concerned about the 1-minute difference between 99 and 100; that may be attributable to longer or shorter production-logo scenes, etc. But if it really is 99 minutes long, then that notion of an extra 3 minutes is bullshit.)

Anyway, we'll find out... I haven't seen the movie in the past few months, but I've seen it many times, so I am sure that between DJ and I, at least one of us will notice if even a shot is different, nevermind 3 whole minutes


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 06, 2014, 07:15:05 PM
DJ and I are in theater now at MoMA watching restored FOD. I don't like the color at all. Yellow and blue :( My favorite version of the movie is still the Italian Ripley's BRD
There are about 125 people in the theater, they seem to be enjoying the movie, laughing in all the right places :)


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 06, 2014, 07:58:04 PM
Crowd seemed to enjoy themselves. Big applause when movie was over. I didn't like how the movie looked but it is good to see a nice-sized crowd come for, and enjoy, a Leone movie

I am walking down 53rd street with DJ now, I am typing as he is speaking; here is his opinion: "The colors were awful, the lighting was wrong (and the sound in MoMA was way too loud), flesh tones really bad, kinda yellow and orange. The whole movie looked kinda green. I kept thinking of Tarantino's comment that it looked like a DVD, i can see what he is talking about; in fact, IMO it looked more like a VHS tape. This is the worst of all the recent Leone restorations. Crowd was into it, that's good to see, lotsa laughs. Ripley's BRD is still the way to go."


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: dave jenkins on November 07, 2014, 06:59:42 AM
Drink, I enjoyed our night out, even that crappy bar you dragged me to. I fell asleep on the train home, of course, but I was really glad I woke up in time for my stop. I could have ended up in CT.

Everybody, I found out that yesterday was Drink's birthday. And it was his 30th! So, what did this guy do to celebrate? He went to a Leone movie! In an actual cinema! Is he a true Leoneaste, or what?

Good on ya, mate. O0


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: cigar joe on November 07, 2014, 12:33:15 PM
 O0 O0 O0


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 07, 2014, 01:15:30 PM
and DJ insisted (despite my protests) on buying all my drinks.

Good on ya  O0


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: stanton on November 08, 2014, 02:31:07 AM
Happy birthday, Drink (belated)


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 08, 2014, 04:17:29 PM
Thanks :)


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: dave jenkins on November 09, 2014, 09:49:58 AM
Just watched the Ripley's BD again: although Eastwood is too florid at times, everything else about the image is admirable. The restoration they used for this disc was done in 2007. Everybody should have quit right there.


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: Jordan Krug on November 09, 2014, 12:08:34 PM
So there was no new footage in this new restoration correct?


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: dave jenkins on November 09, 2014, 03:15:19 PM
Not that I detected. Drink?


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 09, 2014, 08:03:09 PM
No, definitely not.
I left for about ten minutes in middle (from the Rojos' big "last supper" party until Silvanito gets beaten up at night in his cantina) but I didn't see any new footage. And I saw DJ snoozing for quite a while, so he missed some, too. I didn't wake him up cuz he wasn't missing much with the shitty color. Though I have no idea how he was able to sleep through such loud sound! That MoMA audio was BOOMING!


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: Novecento on November 10, 2014, 07:52:52 PM
No, definitely not.
I left for about ten minutes in middle (from the Rojos' big "last supper" party until Silvanito gets beaten up at night in his cantina) but I didn't see any new footage. And I saw DJ snoozing for quite a while, so he missed some, too. I didn't wake him up cuz he wasn't missing much with the shitty color. Though I have no idea how he was able to sleep through such loud sound! That MoMA audio was BOOMING!

So one of you left in the middle and one of you fell asleep ;D And you call yourselves Leone fans...  :D


Title: Re: Remastered Fistful to be shown at Cannes Film Festival
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 10, 2014, 08:24:58 PM
So one of you left in the middle and one of you fell asleep ;D And you call yourselves Leone fans...  :D

I always have to piss at least once during a movie. I drink way too much caffeine (not that I need it  ;) ) One of my goals when seeing a movie is not to have to leave to piss more than once. I succeeded with this one, though I stayed out a few extra minutes to live-blog the screening on the SLWB. Cuz I KNOW y'all couldn't wait to find out the colors  ;) And DJ falling asleep doesn't bother me – he doesn't snore!