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Title: WESTERN'S SINCE UNFORGIVEN?
Post by: Belkin on August 09, 2004, 03:42:35 PM
Anybody seen OPEN RANGE? I found it to be a stunning western. Great performances, DUVALL especially. The shoot-out at end was second to none. I saw this in the cinema on a huge screen. Nobody there, except myself. HEAVEN! IT has slipped into my top ten westerns of all time. 8)
Title: Re:WESTERN'S SINCE UNFORGIVEN?
Post by: cigar joe on August 09, 2004, 07:54:11 PM
It was ok, I liked the pay off shoot out at the end too. It was a throwback to earlier times more melodrama than stylistic.
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Post by: hailclinteastwood on August 10, 2004, 07:13:07 AM
i didn't like it, i can see good things in it but it just wasn't pleasing to me
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Post by: Il Buono on August 13, 2004, 05:00:54 AM
Great movie!  Great atmosphere. I like the portrayal of these simple characters who don't talk much and live by these simple moral rules.  Although taken with a grain of salt, it's probably the most realistic western I have seen.  
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Post by: Guerrilla on September 25, 2004, 02:36:08 AM
I like Costner very much,and im happy that he make western movies,but dont like "Open Range".The film is slow,boring.not meni gunfights.not dinamic.
I read an interviu of K.Costner-he say that will make westerns and he love western films ,cose its a great jeanr.

I like very much his new film :
"3000 miles to Graceland"  -to all amigos here-just see this movie!Costner is briliant!
Title: Re:WESTERN'S SINCE UNFORGIVEN?
Post by: Christopher on October 15, 2004, 06:56:24 AM
I liked Open Range. My only complaint is that the ending goes on a little too long.
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Post by: Two Kinds of ... on October 24, 2004, 09:05:16 PM
Open Range was okay, and I'm not the world's biggest fan of Unforgiven.
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Post by: John Baldwin on October 25, 2004, 01:41:22 AM
Yeah, it was a good film...Not as good as Unforgiven, but it was good. I like Costner...He wants to shot  westerns, and he makes it well, so...let's go Kevin.
I especially liked the photography; it made me think to Dance with wolfes (great great movie, no?).
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Post by: noodles_leone on October 29, 2004, 01:57:46 PM
blueberry was great... just kidding :)
i still have not seen it, but i'm pretty scared, if you see what i mean... i'm a huge fan of the comic books...

anyway, what about... no, i can't find any very good western since Unforgiven: open range was ok but not so great.
Title: Re: WESTERN'S SINCE UNFORGIVEN?
Post by: JamesK on December 06, 2005, 10:58:52 AM
Anybody seen OPEN RANGE?

I finally caught up with Open Range (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000TANUI/thekosubs), and though I liked it, I felt that it was both too short and too long.  On the one hand, there seemed like a lot of material that had been excised to keep the (already prodigious) running time down, such as when the doctor vanishes for the better part of an hour without the film ever cutting to him or the ranch.  On the other hand, because the film didn't bother giving the villains their fair share of screen time, the film seemed to meander more than it ought to.  The narrative was unbalanced, in other words.

Even flawed, though, the film was definitely worth watching.  The final showdown, in particular, has real power both from a dramatic and a visceral standpoint.
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Post by: Leone Admirer on December 06, 2005, 11:10:34 AM
I really enjoyed Open Range, though I do much prefer Unforgiven I did think it was a good film.
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Post by: JamesK on December 06, 2005, 11:25:30 AM
I really enjoyed Open Range, though I do much prefer Unforgiven I did think it was a good film.

Yeah, I definitely think that Open Range (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000TANUI/thekosubs) would have liked to occupy the same rung on the ladder as Unforgiven (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006FDCJ/thekosubs), especially since it covers some of the same ground thematically.  But if you see how Eastwood's film takes time to round out the narrative from both "good" and "bad" sides of the conflict, you can clearly tell where Open Range (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000TANUI/thekosubs) stumbles.
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Post by: The Firecracker on April 18, 2006, 11:08:01 AM
I liked Open Range. My only complaint is that the ending goes on a little too long.


if your talking about the gunfight...yeah I can see that. It did drag on a little to much. And that slow motion run Duvall takes to the shed where Baxter is hiding was too over the top and very cheesy.

The start of the gunfight was brilliant though(even though Costner fired a good 12 times with the same six shooter without reloading), and the middle was well done. But after Baxter's long and almost incomprehensible(the irish accent) monologue, I was waiting for it to be over.


For the record...I dont care much for Unforgiven. Shame on me I know. :(
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Post by: cigar joe on April 19, 2006, 06:06:50 AM
They are both good films though I do like Unforgiven better, however that said, there just seems to be way is too much dialog,  and not enough visual storytelling, these days.

In the 70's there seemed to start a trend  towards too much "historacle speech patterns", and away from style, dialog lines that were written meerly to sound authentic but comes off almost pretentious, i don't know  but  it looses that iconic feeling that Leone created.

I think that is the silent film influence that Leone tapped into.
Title: Re: WESTERN'S SINCE UNFORGIVEN?
Post by: Beebs on April 19, 2006, 11:27:55 AM
Unforgiven was the last great Western IMO. And yes, shame on you, Firecracker.  >:( ;)
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Post by: The Firecracker on April 19, 2006, 12:55:52 PM
Unforgiven was the last great Western IMO. And yes, shame on you, Firecracker.  >:( ;)


I'll go stand at the corner:'(
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Post by: Tim on April 20, 2006, 08:11:19 PM
  Unforgiven is the last great western, agree with ya there Beebs.  But for me, Tombstone is the most fun I've had watching a western in the years since Unforgiven.  Open Range was good too.

  Kurt Russell and Val Kilmer MAKE that movie for me, and the supporting cast just goes on and on forever.  And I like the nod to the older westerns with Harry Carey JR making an appearance, albeit a short one.  :-\
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Post by: franksgrandson on April 21, 2006, 05:54:56 PM
Cigar Joe has got it here, the Westerns these days are packed with huge dialogue and there is a real lack of the feeling of the west, funny really that the greatest westerns of all time were shot in Spain and Italy, even old Hollywood got it right shipping off Wayne, Mitchum and co to Utah.
The last two movies that really used America to stunning effect in my opinion was Dances with Wolves and Last of the Mohicans.
Now onto the thorny question of Clint Eastwood and the movie Unforgiven.
Eastwood to me is the last of the real Hollywood movie stars and has given us no end of great films, but as Eastwood says himself he does a film on time and in budget which has been great for the accountants. but not for the scope these Westerns should have been apart from the man himself the towns don,t look right the clothes are a little off, the actors look a little clean cut.
Eastwood could have done more justice to the westerns he made if he hired some of the old Leone crew to design the sets and gather the props and weapons. and I talk here also of Pale Rider, Josey Wales.
Eastwood and Leone could have made Unforgiven a classic, not just one of the better Eastwood westerns
If anyone of Eastwoods westerns got near the feel of a Leone type film it was High Plaines Drifter
I do not give up on Westerns as I am sure one day we will get a new director and actor that will breath new fire into the genere.
   
Title: Re: WESTERN'S SINCE UNFORGIVEN?
Post by: J B on April 21, 2006, 07:59:49 PM
I thought Unforgiven was great.  I saw it a long time ago, and I should really see it again.  I thought Open Range was pretty mediocre, although the shoot out at the end had its moments. 
Title: Re: WESTERN'S SINCE UNFORGIVEN?
Post by: cigar joe on April 21, 2006, 09:01:19 PM
Its as if some of these directors get part of the ingredients but forget others, yea the action shoot out at the end is good in this film (Open Range), in that one we have authentic dialog (True Grit), in this one over here (The Quick & The Dead) we have gone overboard in the SW story line, but forgot its a "Western" and should be packed with western scenery.

Eastwood allways seems to do it on the cheap, he didn't learn the Leone way of "spectaculaizing" the genre. We NEED Spectacle! lol

Somebody will do their homework and get it right eventually.
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Post by: grandpa_chum on April 22, 2006, 05:35:58 AM
open range was ok... nothing spectacular... the missing with tommy lee jones was better, i think ron howard directed it... better still was the three burials of melquiadas estrada which may not really be a western, but it's close enough to be mentioned here... and I may get shot for saying this, but shanghai noon wasn't bad... let's just say it was closer to a great western than it was to being another wild wild west(which is the most horrendous movie ever made)... but still if i had to pick the best western since unforgiven(which I love and is in my top 10 westerns of all time simply for when eastwood goes apesh*t on everyone)... I would pick either the missing or the three burials over open range any day.