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Title: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Clinton on November 23, 2014, 10:40:37 AM
Has anyone got a hardcopy (or digitized copy) of the original Italian script for For a Few Dollars More (Per qualche dollaro in piu)? Best would be a translated copy.

I am especially interested in deleted scenes since I have seen a lot of stills from scenes absent in the film, e.g. when Colonel Mortimer arrives at the town of Tucumcari (shot at Hoyo de Manzanares) to track down Guy Callaway, there is a long funeral procession led by two horses pulling a coffin wagon.

All the best,
Peter


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Le Bon on November 23, 2014, 04:39:38 PM
I haven't seen a funeral procession still. Was it in the town or by the station?


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Clinton on November 24, 2014, 01:47:51 AM
I haven't seen a funeral procession still. Was it in the town or by the station?

Colonel Mortimer, holding his horse with his right hand and his leather bag with the other, is standing about 50 m in front of the SALOON building (Rojos's residence in FOD), and a funeral procession is moving diagonally across his view (towards him, but from right to left).

There must be quite a few scenes described in the script which were shot, but deleted, e.g. a guy at the river location Aldea de Fresno (from FOD) getting shot off his horse, Manco in bed with the landlady, members of El Indio's gang resting in the shade of a tree, the gang climbing up onto the roof of El Cortijo del Fraile, El Indio and others with young women etc.

The original script would be very helpful.


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Le Bon on November 24, 2014, 03:56:38 AM
Very interesting. Yes it seems there were quite a few scenes shot but then deleted. The river scene was refilmed. Its the one where Manco kills 3 of Indio' gang. There's a few shots on the net of the landlady scene that show Manco in hotel room holding his gun. Maybe the scene is similar to the hotel one in GBU where he hears footsteps outside his room only this time its more friendly  ;)
There's a colour shot of him outside the hotel taking aim. There's a broken down wagon next to him which isn't clearly shown on screen.
Lets hope someone has a script.


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 24, 2014, 04:05:30 AM
Frayling also says that there is a scene (or perhaps multiple scenes?) where Indio "baptizes" his gun in "holy water" before shooting someone. I believe Frayling says this was actually filmed; I'm not certain if it was deleted because Leone just decided not to delete it, or if it was deleted at the insistence of censors cuz it made Indio seem too evil


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Clinton on November 24, 2014, 07:24:01 AM
Very interesting. Yes it seems there were quite a few scenes shot but then deleted. The river scene was refilmed. Its the one where Manco kills 3 of Indio' gang. There's a few shots on the net of the landlady scene that show Manco in hotel room holding his gun. Maybe the scene is similar to the hotel one in GBU where he hears footsteps outside his room only this time its more friendly  ;)
There's a colour shot of him outside the hotel taking aim. There's a broken down wagon next to him which isn't clearly shown on screen.
Lets hope someone has a script.

You are right. I remember now the discussions that Manco killing 3 in Tabernas was probably a redo of the river scene - has this been confirmed?

In relation to the SALOON in which Col. Mortimer enters, you are right, there is a wagon wheel placed against a pillar of the saloon building, and, on the right, there is a wagon tilted to one side - presumably the lone wheel belongs to this wagon.

I included a couple of stills of Manco with the landlady in the deleted scenes chapter of my GBU book (completed; currently getting quotes for printing/binding) - in one still, he is standing beside the bed and rubbing his chin, and, in the other one, he is in bed and loosening her brassiere - lazily pulling on a thread.

Best,
Peter


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Jordan Krug on November 24, 2014, 09:21:37 AM
Yes I proved the reshoot of the river scene by showing a reverse angle production photo of manco and the 3 men on the ground by the river, each of them is wearing the same costume as the 3 men in the campfire version. Unfortunately the stills in the thread went offline but I can try to find them on my computer if you want to see them.

You are right. I remember now the discussions that Manco killing 3 in Tabernas was probably a redo of the river scene - has this been confirmed?

In relation to the SALOON in which Col. Mortimer enters, you are right, there is a wagon wheel placed against a pillar of the saloon building, and, on the right, there is a wagon tilted to one side - presumably the lone wheel belongs to this wagon.

I included a couple of stills of Manco with the landlady in the deleted scenes chapter of my GBU book (completed; currently getting quotes for printing/binding) - in one still, he is standing beside the bed and rubbing his chin, and, in the other one, he is in bed and loosening her brassiere - lazily pulling on a thread.

Best,
Peter


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Jordan Krug on November 24, 2014, 09:43:19 AM
This photo from the landlady scene also showed up on ebay recently (original photo with photographers stamp on the back) it's the only time I've ever seen this shot (not on dvd etc). The seller wanted like $500! The deleted stills from the dvd are featured here (I have a few others from these scenes in my own collection) http://spaghettiwesterns.1g.fi/pics.htm

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/538/WYF837.jpg) (http://imageshack.com/f/eyWYF837j)


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Clinton on November 24, 2014, 11:05:30 AM
This photo from the landlady scene also showed up on ebay recently (original photo with photographers stamp on the back) it's the only time I've ever seen this shot (not on dvd etc). The seller wanted like $500! The deleted stills from the dvd are featured here (I have a few others from these scenes in my own collection) http://spaghettiwesterns.1g.fi/pics.htm

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/538/WYF837.jpg) (http://imageshack.com/f/eyWYF837j)

This is a cropped version of a medium format still (6 x 6 cm negative). There is a series of over 20 "6 x 6" cm negatives showing Manco and the landlady in the bedroom ($500 is ridiculously high for the print you posted). In my GBU book, I show all the sources in the legends of the images.

It would be interesting to see the still showing the 3 dead at the river.


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Jordan Krug on November 25, 2014, 07:26:33 AM
This is a cropped version of a medium format still (6 x 6 cm negative). There is a series of over 20 "6 x 6" cm negatives showing Manco and the landlady in the bedroom ($500 is ridiculously high for the print you posted). In my GBU book, I show all the sources in the legends of the images.

It would be interesting to see the still showing the 3 dead at the river.


Here is the still I'm referring to and the image that shows the same clothing on the 3 bandits as in the campfire scene.

(http://i.imgur.com/nYZvTJp.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/guMi2pJ.jpg)


Wow, and there are that many images for the deleted landlady scene? Can copies be obtained? Thanks for sharing the info.


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Le Bon on November 25, 2014, 10:02:20 AM
Here's the four images I found on the web. Although Maria Krup is only in one I think its safe to say the other 3 are from the same scene. As I said it probably plays out with Manco hearing footsteps outside his room and draws his gun expecting danger whereupon Miss Krup enters....

(http://i.imgur.com/OxM0Jga.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/08GsZlf.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/3NywAy2.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/9RysWBR.jpg)


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Jordan Krug on November 25, 2014, 10:59:55 AM
Whoa these are great lebon! Here is the link to the page, I wonder if copies can be purchased for a reasonable price...

http://www.picturepress.de/?88491200134057662900

I have another photo from this scene that I didn't realize was from this till now- I'll post it later- thanks!


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Clinton on November 25, 2014, 12:04:43 PM

Here is the still I'm referring to and the image that shows the same clothing on the 3 bandits as in the campfire scene.

(http://i.imgur.com/nYZvTJp.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/guMi2pJ.jpg)


Wow, and there are that many images for the deleted landlady scene? Can copies be obtained? Thanks for sharing the info.

Thanks, nice work! The shooting of the 3 was clearly shot twice. Once my GBU book is out, you will have all links to sources. There are at least 350 + 50  b&w stills (from 6 x 6 cm negatives) from FAFDD, alot of which are from deleted scenes. Only a moderate number are behind-the-scenes stills.

I was contemplating making a book about FAFDM in the future, but with much less research, i.e. without extensive interviews, sourcing material etc. It would be nice to document FAFDM in a book, e.g. translated original script, 200+ stills, shooting locations, deleted scenes, posters etc. First, I will need to get the behind-the-scenes GBU book printed/bound - I got the first quotation today.

Best,
Peter


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Le Bon on November 25, 2014, 04:44:01 PM
Whoa these are great lebon! Here is the link to the page, I wonder if copies can be purchased for a reasonable price...

http://www.picturepress.de/?88491200134057662900

I have another photo from this scene that I didn't realize was from this till now- I'll post it later- thanks!

I have that other photo from this scene as well and when I found these I realised where it came from.
I think prints from the picturepress  would be pricey.


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Jordan Krug on November 25, 2014, 06:40:53 PM
I have that other photo from this scene as well and when I found these I realised where it came from.
I think prints from the picturepress  would be pricey.

Yeah, they're in business with publishers, not collectors but maybe Clinton could twist their arm if he's working on a book.

Here are 4 more images from that scene (including the one we are talking about Le Bon - first image) I have all of these in high res (although the 3rd one is scanned from a book) These plus the ones featured on the dvd, plus the ones you posted today Le Bon I think are the only ones "out there" as far as I know.

(http://i.imgur.com/FjYfiFD.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/G4RfY52.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/yGBP7ao.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/x4Yrsv8.jpg)


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Jordan Krug on November 25, 2014, 06:57:02 PM
For completists sake here's the other two avail on dvd...

(http://i.imgur.com/eHP67Dj.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/1yR9sT0.jpg)


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Jordan Krug on November 25, 2014, 08:31:54 PM
Thanks, nice work! The shooting of the 3 was clearly shot twice. Once my GBU book is out, you will have all links to sources. There are at least 350 + 50  b&w stills (from 6 x 6 cm negatives) from FAFDD, alot of which are from deleted scenes. Only a moderate number are behind-the-scenes stills.

I was contemplating making a book about FAFDM in the future, but with much less research, i.e. without extensive interviews, sourcing material etc. It would be nice to document FAFDM in a book, e.g. translated original script, 200+ stills, shooting locations, deleted scenes, posters etc. First, I will need to get the behind-the-scenes GBU book printed/bound - I got the first quotation today.

Best,
Peter

Well Peter, that sounds amazing. I hope that you will do that and if I can help in any way let me know. Frayling shows photocopies of the original shooting script for FAFDM on the MGM blu ray extra where he shows off his collection, so he definitely has a copy (there are even shots of pages of it in that). Tell him you're doing a book, ask him to write the forward and see if he'll share! If you want to see this extra P.M. me.




Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Clinton on November 27, 2014, 12:08:33 AM
Well Peter, that sounds amazing. I hope that you will do that and if I can help in any way let me know. Frayling shows photocopies of the original shooting script for FAFDM on the MGM blu ray extra where he shows off his collection, so he definitely has a copy (there are even shots of pages of it in that). Tell him you're doing a book, ask him to write the forward and see if he'll share! If you want to see this extra P.M. me.


Thanks for the suggestions/offer. I think that Christopher Frayling has Carlo Simi's original copy of one of the FAFDM script. First, I need to get the first book printed . . .



Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: drinkanddestroy on November 27, 2014, 07:17:48 AM
Frayling has an early copy of an FOD script. He shows it on the MGM BRD bonus features


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Jordan Krug on November 27, 2014, 11:59:12 AM
Thanks for the suggestions/offer. I think that Christopher Frayling has Carlo Simi's original copy of one of the FAFDM script. First, I need to get the first book printed . . .



In the extra feature he says he got the fafdm script from Fulvio Morsella. (Leone's wife's brother in-law).


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Le Bon on November 30, 2014, 03:44:59 AM
This must be the stilll that Clinton mentions. I think its on a International Lobby Card too? This is only low res but it looks like there's some children in white at the back of the procession.

(http://i.imgur.com/oEXsQFGl.jpg)


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Clinton on November 30, 2014, 04:53:19 AM
This must be the stilll that Clinton mentions. I think its on a International Lobby Card too? This is only low res but it looks like there's some children in white at the back of the procession.

(http://i.imgur.com/oEXsQFGl.jpg)

Yeh, that's the scene. I have seen a series of medium format stills showing this scene (funeral procession) - one shot from the perspective of the SALOON and the other 7 similar to the still you posted. The still you posted is probably a colorized still (?) since the 8 stills I'm referring to are all black & white negatives/stills. Your still appears to belong to the same series. First, the Colonel is holding his horse while the procession approaches, then he walks with his horse towards the SALOON. The person driving the coffin wagon is wearing a top hat, and there are some children in light clothing (presumably white) accompanying the mourning adults. Someone must have been around with a medium format camera and taken a lot of shots at Hoyo de Manzanares (Madrid). Maybe they used some color film, but I think that the still is colorized, typical in those days.

There is also a series of stills showing the Colonel in the hotel/saloon and Guy Callaway jumping from the SALOON belcony etc.


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Clinton on December 02, 2014, 01:38:41 AM
This must be the stilll that Clinton mentions. I think its on a International Lobby Card too? This is only low res but it looks like there's some children in white at the back of the procession.

(http://i.imgur.com/oEXsQFGl.jpg)

I just confirmed that the negatives of the medium format (6 x 6 cm) FDM stills are all black & white, and the image you posted definitely belongs to the series. BUT it certainly looks like color film! Is it possibly to see part of the image in higher resolution?
Most of the 6x6 FDM negatives appear to be TRI X PAN [I think Kodak] film. The funeral procession ones appear to be labeled GAVAERT - which implies Agfa-Gavaert.


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Le Bon on December 02, 2014, 02:46:39 AM
I found it on the web, its not a still I have i'm afraid. I'll see if I can find the source. I think I have seen it on a lobby card or photobusta...something like that. I have been searching but had no luck yet.


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Jordan Krug on January 11, 2015, 09:19:36 PM
Same seller is trying to sell the unique hotel wife still again with a couple more I haven't seen. Anyone want to spend $800 for 4 black and white stills?

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=351283055854


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Le Bon on January 12, 2015, 03:06:54 AM
The still of Mortimer with the lady in the bath turns up now and again but I haven't seen any other hotel ones.


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Le Bon on September 13, 2015, 03:26:01 AM
I found a copy of a combined continuity script on a auction site. Its dated Oct 66, in English. There's a couple of pages scanned but too small too read apart from the cover. I guess this isn't going to be the original script from the date?
(http://thumbnails113.imagebam.com/43538/f7ca11435372504.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/f7ca11435372504) (http://thumbnails113.imagebam.com/43538/c25457435372507.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/c25457435372507) (http://thumbnails113.imagebam.com/43538/1122dd435372508.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/1122dd435372508) (http://thumbnails113.imagebam.com/43538/7ecc5e435372509.jpg) (http://www.imagebam.com/image/7ecc5e435372509)


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Le Bon on December 02, 2015, 10:21:31 AM
Here's the lobby card I mentioned earlier in the thread. I thought I was imagining it as I couldn't find it for a long time.

(http://0.t.imgbox.com/R9ux8Mxt.jpg) (http://imgbox.com/R9ux8Mxt)


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: mike siegel on May 18, 2016, 04:18:22 AM
That is an interesting card. The German 1981 re-release set includes 16 cards re-printed from the 1965 set (of 24 cards) PLUS this one! Although it is a set of 16, not 17. I got mine when I decorated the film in our local cinema 35 years ago...
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160518/temp/cfsbpn6x.jpg) (http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4359/cfsbpn6x_jpg.htm)
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/160518/temp/i9jlbxur.jpg) (http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4359/i9jlbxur_jpg.htm)


Title: Re: Anyone got the original Italian FAFDM script?
Post by: Le Bon on May 24, 2016, 07:01:53 AM
So officially 16 but one more was printed. I presume it is hard to find.  The one I posted found on the web.