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Title: Kiss of Death (1947)
Post by: titoli on March 10, 2015, 04:37:08 PM
I saw again this courtesy of CJ who, apparently, didn't review the movie (but it could be the search engine's fault). Anyway I'm uncertain about an evaluation, though I saw I included it almost a decade ago in my list of favourite noirs (but maybe I I mistook it for  Pickup on South Street). Anyway the movie has a very good pace, keeps you interested till the end about turn of things. Still got the creeps watching Widmark pushing the wheelchair down the stairs. What I don't like is Udo's grin and chuckle, Donleavy's  awkward pose (he doesn't know what to do with those arms on his desk), Mature's scenes with the daughters (which though are well made, admittedly). Then, the finale is moronic: why Mature lets himself be killed (though the finale's voiceover let us think otherwise) instead of shooting it out with Widmark?  7\10


Title: Re: Kiss of Death (1947)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 10, 2015, 05:42:14 PM
Then, the finale is moronic: why Mature lets himself be killed (though the finale's voiceover let us think otherwise) instead of shooting it out with Widmark?  7\10

It is indeed stupid. But Mature (amazingly) does survive. As I wrote in the RTLMYS thread:


The ending was ridiculous. Would Mature really walk out there and be a sitting duck for Widmark, in the hope that somehow he would survive the shots from point blank range? They'd just said that Widmark would get life just for having a gun; shouldn't the cops have picked him up in the car just for that? Mature was pretty much committing suicide by doing that. And after all that, he actually survives 3 shots in the gut?? Really? That was bullshit, done for the sake of a happy ending.



Title: Re: Kiss of Death (1947)
Post by: cigar joe on March 10, 2015, 09:10:54 PM
... the finale is moronic: why Mature lets himself be killed (though the finale's voiceover let us think otherwise) instead of shooting it out with Widmark?  7\10

Yea, it was a bit of a stretch. I have a personal connection to the this film. The sequence when Nick gets out of prison & goes straight the little neighborhood where he lives is along side Astoria Park (the Two Bridges in the bg.) As a kid in the late 50s I used to go there with the folks sit on the hill on a blanket and watch the ships and the various tugs struggle with rail car floats, garbage scows, and gas & oil barges as they fought the treacherous current at Hell Gate in the East River.  O0 O0 O0

Check out what it was like from this more recent clip & check the end where the action is sped up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc0PC8BRMD0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc0PC8BRMD0)


Title: Re: Kiss of Death (1947)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 10, 2015, 09:35:07 PM
Yea, it was a bit of a stretch. I have a personal connection to the this film. The sequence when Nick gets out of prison & goes straight the little neighborhood where he lives is along side Astoria Park (the Two Bridges in the bg.) As a kid in the late 50s I used to go there with the folks sit on the hill on a blanket and watch the ships and the various tugs struggle with rail car floats, garbage scows, and gas & oil barges as they fought the treacherous current at Hell Gate in the East River.  O0 O0 O0

Check out what it was like from this more recent clip & check the end where the action is sped up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc0PC8BRMD0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc0PC8BRMD0)

did you watch the remake? Looks to me like the house of the main character is on a very similar block as Mature's house in the original.
David Caruso is no better than average (first time I'd ever seen him; I've never watched CSI or NYPD Blue); Nicolas Cage certainly can't compete with Richard Widmark. Overall it's not bad, though.


Title: Re: Kiss of Death (1947)
Post by: cigar joe on March 11, 2015, 03:22:31 AM
did you watch the remake? Looks to me like the house of the main character is on a very similar block as Mature's house in the original.
David Caruso is no better than average (first time I'd ever seen him; I've never watched CSI or NYPD Blue); Nicolas Cage certainly can't compete with Richard Widmark. Overall it's not bad, though.


yea the remake is about a 6/10.


Title: Re: Kiss of Death (1947)
Post by: titoli on March 11, 2015, 05:50:20 PM
hey'd just said that Widmark would get life just for having a gun; shouldn't the cops have picked him up in the car just for that? Mature was pretty much committing suicide by doing that. And after all that, he actually survives 3 shots in the gut?? Really? That was bullshit, done for the sake of a happy ending.

As I wrote, Mature wasn't probably meant to survive: it is evident that the voiceover explaining he survived was probably glued after production.

But the scene with Widmark would imply that isn't enough to find yourself in a car where a gun is to be incriminated. In fact Widmark lets his henchman taking care of Mature. Only after Mature taunts him he decides to take the gun from his sidekick. 


Title: Re: Kiss of Death (1947)
Post by: titoli on March 28, 2015, 06:18:02 PM
It seems though that Widmark's "characteristics" in this movie were successful among juveniles. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lra-crkCg88

And that the wheelchair scene made him famous.

(BTW, WML's Mystery Guest was a gas)