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Title: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: Lil Brutto on July 04, 2015, 10:12:54 PM
Anyone here live in the area and planning to check it out??

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Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: cigar joe on July 05, 2015, 05:04:31 AM
cool wish I could.


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: dave jenkins on July 05, 2015, 12:29:04 PM
As it happens, I'm heading to the west coast on the 28th. Nowhere near LA, though. Hmmmmmm . . . .


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 05, 2015, 10:55:54 PM
The only regular board member I know of who lives in the Western Time Zone is Cusser, who lives in Arizona. He's such a GBU nut, it wouldn't shock me if he went to LA for this  ;)


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: Lil Brutto on July 06, 2015, 12:45:17 AM
It's a 3h non-stop flight for me and I'm seriously considering it. Fly in and out in less than 24h. A bit extreme so I'm hoping someone trustworthy and WAY closer can enjoy the show and report back.


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 06, 2015, 07:29:37 AM
Where do you live?


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: Lil Brutto on July 06, 2015, 10:28:12 AM
Vancouver


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: dave jenkins on July 06, 2015, 10:50:18 AM
I'm thinking of dropping down from Seattle--where I'll be at the time--to see it. I'd probably want to see it twice. I checked and the Beverly Inn, a few blocks away, has vacancies. It looks like I could do a round-trip for about $400. Hmmmmmmmm . . . .


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: Cusser on July 07, 2015, 06:54:30 AM
The only regular board member I know of who lives in the Western Time Zone is Cusser, who lives in Arizona. He's such a GBU nut, it wouldn't shock me if he went to LA for this  ;)

Yep, that's me.  I last saw GBU on the big screen at the classic Valley Art Theater in Tempe, AZ for the United Artists 90th Anniversary Tour, took the afternoon off, went to dinner, Mrs. Cusser and I made a day of it.  I have made "pilgrimages" to Los Angeles for the Sergio Leone exhibit, that was well worth it, and also to Monument Valley to see the arch from Once Upon a Time in the West.

But I won't be going to California until late August, so I'll miss this showing.  

What's an IB Tech Print anyway?  I saw this back in first run, remember, and this is the original US-length version of 161 minutes.


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: dave jenkins on July 07, 2015, 10:26:24 AM
But I won't be going to California until late August, so I'll miss this showing.  

What's an IB Tech Print anyway?  I saw this back in first run, remember, and this is the original US-length version of 161 minutes.
There's some info about IB Tech prints here: http://www.in70mm.com/news/2010/technicolor/

Here's the meat:
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Technicolor shut down its imbibition (IB) dye transfer Cahuenga facility in 1975. Its new lab next to Universal Studios became an Eastman-only processor. Technicians who worked at the Hollywood lab claim that the last new American film released before Technicolor ceased printing dye transfer was Disney’s uninspired adaptation of Jules Verne’s "Island At the Top of the World" (1973). Other sources say it was "The Godfather, Part II" (1974). (I have an I.B. Technicolor 35mm reissue print of Disney’s "Swiss Family Robinson" with edge code symbols of 1974 visible on some reels.) So, who knows for certain the last film released in IB in America? In 1977, Dario Argento used the last dye-transfer printer in Rome for "Suspiria" (1978). Put simply, gone were the days when one could purchase a nice No-Fade 35mm I.B. Tech print of a movie from the seventies, like "Jaws" (1975) or "Star Wars" (1977), unless you were lucky enough to obtain it from England where the IB process was still employed.

Technicolor was the second major color film process for motion pictures (following England’s Natural Colour Kinematograph Company), and the most mass-produced color motion picture process in Hollywood from 1922-1952. Not only did it afford a richer, almost 3-dimensional look to film, but, from an archivist’s point of view, it possessed one very cool quality: It was virtually fade proof! Since 1982, Eastman color film stocks like LPP have also been “low fade,” but Technicolor dye-transfer prints have been “no fade” since the 1920s. Since a Tech print employed stable Azo dyes (dyes which are also used in current DVD technology), it could retain its original colors for decades. Even when stored under improper conditions, the colors in a Technicolor print survived longer than early Eastman color prints that might maintain only the magenta record after a mere ten years.
So seeing an IB Tech print of a film is to see pretty much what the film looked like when it was first released. This is particularly true for the colors. I saw an IB Tech print for Vertigo recently and it gave me an idea about what's right and wrong with recent transfers of that title on home video. Given all the monkeying around lately with the look of GBU's image on dvd and Blu-ray, it's nice to have the chance to see what the film is actually supposed to look like. Hence the excitement.


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: Lil Brutto on July 07, 2015, 11:20:12 AM
I'm thinking of dropping down from Seattle--where I'll be at the time--to see it. I'd probably want to see it twice. I checked and the Beverly Inn, a few blocks away, has vacancies. It looks like I could do a round-trip for about $400. Hmmmmmmmm . . . .

The original theatrical release prints were IB technicolor. Subsequent screenings over the decades were not IB tech prints unless, on the very rare occasion such as this, the cinema was able to get their hands on a super rare IB tech. (I'm guessing the IB tech being screened is Quentin Tarantino's personal copy.) Prints of the extended English language edition are definitely not IB tech prints. In the mid-90s, there were some prints of the 161 min version struck on LPP stock. We acquired one of these prints for our preservation project. It showed that printing technology obviously improved over the decades as the image was sharper. However, the color timing was quite different from the IB techs. The beauty of IB tech is that it's essentially a time capsule due to it being fade-proof. Due to the fade-proof quality of the print, a screening nearly 50 years later takes you back to 1967 and let's you see the film as the director intended for it to be seen. That "cool factor" alone is enough to make this journey.

My plan is to use my air miles and fly down in the AM of the 26th. I believe it takes about 1.5 hours to travel from LAX to The New Bev. Catching an early non-stop flight gives me some cushion against potential delays, which is more unlikely for the first few flights of the day. After the show I'd head back to LAX (before public transit shuts down) and catch the earliest flight back to Vancouver (6AM). So no need for a hotel/motel. I'm still undecided but I went ahead and purchased a ticket for the July 26 screening. Worst case scenario, I'll just pass it off to someone willing to report back on their experience.

It would serve as further motivation if I knew someone else from this forum was going to make the trek.


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: dave jenkins on July 07, 2015, 11:47:59 AM
(I'm guessing the IB tech being screened is Quentin Tarantino's personal copy.)
Yeah, that was going to be my guess as well.

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My plan is to use my air miles and fly down in the AM of the 26th. I believe it takes about 1.5 hours to travel from LAX to The New Bev. Catching an early non-stop flight gives me some cushion against potential delays, which is more unlikely for the first few flights of the day. After the show I'd head back to LAX (before public transit shuts down) and catch the earliest flight back to Vancouver (6AM). So no need for a hotel/motel. I'm still undecided but I went ahead and purchased a ticket for the July 26 screening. Worst case scenario, I'll just pass it off to someone willing to report back on their experience.

It would serve as further motivation if I knew someone else from this forum was going to make the trek.
I'm still considering it, although the earliest I can go is the 29th. I'm also thinking flying into Burbank is better than going to LAX, but maybe it doesn't make much of a difference. I got a reservation at the Beverly Inn for the 29th--it didn't cost anything to make and there's no penalty for cancelling.


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: dave jenkins on July 11, 2015, 11:21:58 AM
Added bonus for flying into LA: visiting Nightcrawler film locations! http://www.movie-locations.com/movies/n/Nightcrawler.html#.VaFP9k3bJjp


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: Lil Brutto on July 11, 2015, 01:26:12 PM
Well, I booked my flight. I'll be there for the screening on the 27th.


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: dave jenkins on July 19, 2015, 07:39:06 AM
OK, looks like I'm in for the showing on the 29th. Lil Brutto, don't eat all the popcorn.


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: Lil Brutto on July 19, 2015, 09:36:02 AM
No promises. I hear it's good.


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: Lil Brutto on July 27, 2015, 02:39:30 PM
I'm at LAX. Less than 6 hours til showtime!


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: dave jenkins on July 27, 2015, 02:59:51 PM
Awaiting your report!


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: cigar joe on July 27, 2015, 04:27:11 PM
cool


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: Lil Brutto on July 28, 2015, 05:40:22 PM
Simply awesome!

After a whirlwind 24h trip (and a 2h nap after getting home) I can now report back and say that was a truly remarkable experience on every level. Without going into too much detail about the image - since I'm going to reserve that info for the inevitable release of our project - it's clear to me that no home release has been truly faithful to the projected image of an IB tech. Some releases are closer to what I saw than others.

As for the experience, it was a real treat. The house was near full and crowd very enthusiastic. The presentation kicked off with an old Coca-Cola/concession stand snipe (can't find it on youtube) followed by an IB tech print of Chip N Dale's "The Lone Chipmunks":

https://youtu.be/CuKpmMKRx-o

The trailers were preceded by "Prevues of Coming Attractions" Astro-dater:

https://youtu.be/B1Qnaw_bnWc

List of trailers:

The Last Days of Pompeii (IB tech)
Colossus of Rhodes (faded red)
For A Few Dollars More (IB tech)
Once Upon A Time in the West (IB tech)
Duck, You Sucker (faded red)
Once Upon A Time in America (unfaded)

"Our Feature Presentation" Astro-dater:

https://youtu.be/D0v7dNp5v0A

The IB tech print was in good condition overall but not pristine. There were lines and scratches throughout the film, especially near the heads and tails of each reel. I counted only 3-4 small splices. It was a real treat!


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 28, 2015, 05:54:55 PM
Thanks for the report! Sounds like a great trip!

I know you don't want to share too many details about the print, but may I ask how it compares to the IB Tech print you purchased; and which version was it, the longer Italian one or the shorter American one? Which version of the beating scene, and did they have the Cave scene? Finally, I assume they had original mono audio - how did it sound?
Thanks :)




Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: Lil Brutto on July 29, 2015, 12:58:17 AM
This is the International Cut that was released in US theaters back in 1967, which is the shorter 161 minute version. No cave scene. Same verson of the beating scene as the MGM DVDs and BDs that have been released over the years.

I can't really comment on how my IB tech compares just yet because we aren't at that stage yet. The 4K scans have far more image information than our computer screens and TVs are capable of displaying so the scans have to be "scaled" in order to view all the details contained on our standard monitors. We are about to begin this processing phase now.

The IB tech prints have a glorious mono track with all the snaps, crackles and pops that were common during that era. I could hear them all; they complemented the blemishes of the project image of this nearly 50 year old print perfectly. Overall, it sounded great. It wasn't hollow sounding or anything. The gun shots and cannon blasts were robust. The dialogue was clear. Sounded great.


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: dave jenkins on July 29, 2015, 02:10:45 AM
I'm looking forward to my screening tomorrow night (actually tonight). Glad to hear its going to be worth it.


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: Lil Brutto on July 29, 2015, 10:26:06 AM
Doors open approx. an hour before showtime. People began to line up before 6PM but there were only 10 or so people who showed up that early. If you're not too bothered about sitting in the absolute best seat then you can show up around 630-645 and still get a great seat.

Enjoy!


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: dave jenkins on July 29, 2015, 01:51:24 PM
Arrived LAX and made my way to my hotel. The bus system is daunting but the drivers are polite and know their shit and I was able to get directions quickly. There was only one transfer once I got into the system, and in 90 minutes I was at my hotel. Too early to check in, though, so I walked over to the theater to see what I could see. The new calendar was out--FAFDM is the next film on the program! And it's another IB Tech print. I kinda wish I'd known about this, I could have conceivably scheduled my trip so that I'd watch GBU Aug. 1, and then see FAFDM on the 2nd (I'm not sure I really would have done this, but it's interesting to imagine). AFOD is also coming, at the end of the month, which is ALSO an IB Tech. This place rocks! There are even authentic posters of Spaghettis in the lobby.

(Drink, this neighborhood is Jew paradise. Every eatery, kosher this and kosher that. As I write this I'm sitting at a place called The Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf, and I just had a blueberry/pomegranate smoothie (no sugar added) that was the greatest thing I've ever tasted.)

Lil Brutto, thanks for the tip. I think I will show up plenty early and get the best seat I can. I'm really, really looking forward to the program.

Hmm, but right now I think I'm gonna have a second smoothie . . .


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: Lil Brutto on July 29, 2015, 03:32:08 PM
I killed time at the Starbucks across the street since there was wifi. Once I saw a couple waiting around I headed over. The screen isn't very big so you'll probably opt for a seat near the front.

Man, those posters are beautiful and they're authentic too. Lots of $$$. The poster of Gian Maria Volonte is listed for 640 EUR on ebay.it:

http://www.ebay.it/itm/PER-QUALCHE-DOLLARO-IN-PIu-manifesto-poster-Sergio-Leone-Gian-Maria-Volonte-/231389767808

The French GBU poster goes for big bucks too. There's a huge Navajo Joe poster on the back wall of the theater.


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 29, 2015, 08:08:33 PM


(Drink, this neighborhood is Jew paradise. Every eatery, kosher this and kosher that. As I write this I'm sitting at a place called The Coffee Bean and Tea Leaf, and I just had a blueberry/pomegranate smoothie (no sugar added) that was the greatest thing I've ever tasted.)


 ;D

but the most important question is, have you seen any little Deborahs?


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: dave jenkins on July 30, 2015, 12:28:55 AM
I can't add much to what Lil Brutto has said about the experience. I took his advice and got there early and sat in the very front row. One thing not mentioned before: during the hour leading up to showtime the theater played songs from various Spaghettis, not incidental music, but the theme songs which in most cases get sung during the opening credits. It was kind of fun to hear them, or it would have been, except that the audience, as they arrived, tended to talk over everything.

A few other remarks:

List of trailers:

The Last Days of Pompeii (IB tech)
Colossus of Rhodes (faded red)
For A Few Dollars More (IB tech)
Once Upon A Time in the West (IB tech)
Duck, You Sucker (faded red)
Once Upon A Time in the West (unfaded)
I think for the second OUATITW above, LB, you really meant OUATIA. Some of these trailers were hilarious (because the voice-overs tended to misrepresent things). Colossus of Rhodes was particularly funny (did you realize there was an orgy in that?). The trailer for West had a bit I wasn't sure I'd seen before, where the narrator assigns titles to the characters: The Widow, The Business Man, The Outlaw, The Man in Search of a Name (something like that).
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The IB tech print was in good condition overall but not pristine. There were lines and scratches throughout the film, especially near the heads and tails of each reel. I counted only 3-4 small splices. It was a real treat!
There were more splices than that, but because they rarely interfered with the audio, they were easy to miss.

The color was fabulous. Now I understand what the film should look like. It's not piss-yellow that should overlay everything. The dominant color throughout the film is gold. Everything seems to glow with an inner light. The color scheme should be warm earth tones.

This has been a great experience (and I realized today that this is my first time back in LA in 21 years). I'll have to watch this theater for fun events in the future.


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: Lil Brutto on July 30, 2015, 10:40:09 AM
Ah yes, I forgot to mention the SW music, which helped set the mood. And I meant to say OUATIA not OUATIW for the last trailer. I corrected my post above. Haha, the whole place was laughing when the narrator said "hall of orgies". Is Rhodes X rated?

There were probably more but the 3-4 splices I noticed were the more obvious ones, such as "bashful" being cut out when AE says, "Don't be bashful" to Tuco just before the torture scene.


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: dave jenkins on July 30, 2015, 03:45:25 PM
Ah yes, I forgot to mention the SW music, which helped set the mood. And I meant to say OUATIA not OUATIW for the last trailer. I corrected my post above. Haha, the whole place was laughing when the narrator said "hall of orgies". Is Rhodes X rated?
What was especially funny was that the scene shown while the narrator intones is one in which something like gymnastics is being performed. Yeah, at last night's showing that comment really brought down the house.

In fact, it was interesting watching the film itself with a crowd that was really into it. A few years ago I saw the DCP of the 2002 cut with a large audience of typical cinema goers (at Film Forum in NY). They laughed a lot--but it was nothing like what I witnessed with last night's audience. People thought everything was funny. There was one group who laughed every time Tuco crossed himself (and he does it a lot). I can see laughing the first time--but really, the joke never gets old?

Maybe all the laughter altered my frame of reference, but last night I was particularly struck with just how cynical the film is. It's probably more cynical than any other film ever made. And yet, it's my favorite film. I value it more than LoA or AMFAS, even though those films strongly advocate for a certain nobility of spirit. But GBU has no high purpose. It's more than mere entertainment--it has something to say about the human condition--but I'm not sure what it has to say is correct. Hmm, I'll have to drink about this some . . .

Oh, Drink, you should never watch this film again. With all the laughter I heard last night, I have to conclude that the film is a comedy. Better keep your distance.


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 30, 2015, 10:50:59 PM


Oh, Drink, you should never watch this film again. With all the laughter I heard last night, I have to conclude that the film is a comedy. Better keep your distance.

Considering the laughter I heard in Film Forum when Patsy says, "We shoulda taken the dollar; we coulda had ten corned beef sandwiches on poppy seed rolls!" I guess OUATIA is a comedy, too  ;)


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: Cusser on July 31, 2015, 07:48:31 AM
I think that's a big reason that GBU is so popular.  On one level, it's pretty darn funny in spots.  Tuco is funny, yet we all know he will kill at the drop of a hat, not an easy combination to pull off, and I'm not sure anyone but Wallach could've done that.

On another level you have the tale of three outlaws searching for $$$, stopping at nothing.

On another level, you have to admire Angel Eyes' work ethic: "I always see the job through"

You can see Blondie and even Tuco taking on a more compassionate side as the film progresses.

And of course, a tremendous anti-war film, one of Sergio's main intentions.  Bodies and young soldiers without limbs everywhere, and even Blondie talking about what a waste of life.


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 01, 2015, 08:03:46 PM
On the BRD commentary, Frayling says that he saw the movie in a San Francisco theater in 1969. When Blondie said, "I've never seen so many men wasted so bad," the whole theater cheered.


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: Lil Brutto on August 15, 2016, 11:23:11 PM
I thought the folks here would be interested in seeing screencaps comparing the MGM 4K BD vs. 35MM dye transfer print scan.

Click on the following link: http://imgur.com/a/uiBBI


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: cigar joe on August 16, 2016, 05:33:29 AM
thanks!


Title: Re: GBU IB tech screening at The New Beverly Cinema in LA!
Post by: Lil Brutto on August 16, 2016, 07:50:59 AM
My pleasure.

DJ, do the caps of the 35mm scan take you back to The NewBev?