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Films of Sergio Leone => The Good, The Bad and The Ugly => Topic started by: alano on April 10, 2016, 11:15:13 PM



Title: Clints horse at the end of the masterpiece
Post by: alano on April 10, 2016, 11:15:13 PM
How did blonde get the rope to hang Tuco??? Also, where did the rifle come from? I know it was Angel Eyes horse but throughout the picture he never carried a rifle.
I can not wait for Peters book. The pictures of Socorro are great. Happy 50th of the GBU filming.


Title: Re: Clints horse at the end of the masterpiece
Post by: Cusser on April 11, 2016, 07:43:18 AM
A rope and a rifle were common and necessary part of horse travel then.  Plus grabbing a rifle from one of the dead soldiers near the bridge would've been easy, the troops left during the night, in a rush.


Title: Re: Clints horse at the end of the masterpiece
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 11, 2016, 04:23:15 PM
better question -- how could Angel Eyes sneak up on Blondie & Tuco in a huge open field where there are nothing but graves as far as the eye can see?

you can't take this stuff too realistically. It's a fairy tale for grownups  ;)


Title: Re: Clints horse at the end of the masterpiece
Post by: Groggy on April 11, 2016, 04:40:18 PM
Teleportation, duh.


Title: Re: Clints horse at the end of the masterpiece
Post by: Le Bon on April 12, 2016, 04:52:43 AM
better question -- how could Angel Eyes sneak up on Blondie & Tuco in a huge open field where there are nothing but graves as far as the eye can see?

you can't take this stuff too realistically. It's a fairy tale for grownups  ;)

Yes. It all in the style of the film.  Characters are not there until they appear in the frame. Same when Blondie doesnt hear Tuco until his pistol is against his head in the Shorty scene and when the Union soldiers capture Blondie and Tuco near the bridge.


Title: Re: Clints horse at the end of the masterpiece
Post by: Cusser on April 12, 2016, 08:35:02 AM
Like on TV where the character ALWAYS overhears just the tidbit of conversation that makes the situation sound completely different, or walks in at the most in-opportune time.

Maybe goes back to Mutiny on the Bounty where Christian tells someone that if he kills himself, to get word to his parents and the guy responds "you can count on me" which was overheard by Bligh.  So Bill Bligh assumed later that they were discussing mutiny, so the guy must've been "in" on the mutiny.

Everyone knows that Angel Eyes asked his horse to "shush" so he could surprise them.  Maybe the greed of discovery made Blondie and Tuco too focused.  Besides, how else could one have that great scene with the shovel flinging into the scene, and nearly hitting Eli in the process.


Title: Re: Clints horse at the end of the masterpiece
Post by: dave jenkins on April 12, 2016, 12:04:07 PM
Characters are not there until they appear in the frame.
Exactly. It astounds me that people watch these films without understanding the rules. . . .


Title: Re: Clints horse at the end of the masterpiece
Post by: Novecento on April 12, 2016, 06:46:28 PM
Exactly. It astounds me that people watch these films without understanding the rules. . . .

Rules set by a certain Akira Kurosawa.


Title: Re: Clints horse at the end of the masterpiece
Post by: dave jenkins on April 12, 2016, 06:58:58 PM
Rules set by a certain Akira Kurosawa.
Once Upon a Time in Japan.


Title: Re: Clints horse at the end of the masterpiece
Post by: Cusser on April 12, 2016, 07:45:18 PM
(http://images2.static-bluray.com/reviews/13405_25.jpg)
The old "light in the glass of milk" trick; Hitchcock, Cary Grant, "Suspicion" if memory serves.


Title: Re: Clints horse at the end of the masterpiece
Post by: Novecento on April 13, 2016, 09:07:20 PM
Once Upon a Time in Japan.

It's awesome how aware Kurosawa (and as a result Leone) was of how cinema is all about manipulating the viewer.


Title: Re: Clints horse at the end of the masterpiece
Post by: Dirty Rat on April 14, 2016, 02:38:43 PM
better question -- how could Angel Eyes sneak up on Blondie & Tuco in a huge open field where there are nothing but graves as far as the eye can see?

you can't take this stuff too realistically. It's a fairy tale for grownups  ;)

Interestingly, and I know the book was written after the film was made, but when I read the Joe Millard GBU book as a kid he described how Sentenza actually arrived at Sad Hill before the other two and had to wait for them.


Title: Re: Clints horse at the end of the masterpiece
Post by: cigar joe on April 14, 2016, 04:19:53 PM
Interestingly, and I know the book was written after the film was made, but when I read the Joe Millard GBU book as a kid he described how Sentenza actually arrived at Sad Hill before the other two and had to wait for them.

That makes sense because when we do see Angel Eye's horse it's right outside a mausoleum, in which AE and his horse could easily have hidden.


Title: Re: Clints horse at the end of the masterpiece
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 14, 2016, 05:17:06 PM
That makes sense because when we do see Angel Eye's horse it's right outside a mausoleum, in which AE and his horse could easily have hidden.

Frayling has said that by the time of GBU, Leone was already thinking about making OUATIA.
Perhaps the mausoleum is a bit of unintentional foreshadowing  ;)


Title: Re: Clints horse at the end of the masterpiece
Post by: dave jenkins on April 14, 2016, 05:49:35 PM
Frayling has said that by the time of GBU, Leone was already thinking about making OUATIA.
Perhaps the mausoleum is a bit of unintentional foreshadowing  ;)
O0


Title: Re: Clints horse at the end of the masterpiece
Post by: Novecento on April 15, 2016, 08:13:29 AM
Frayling has said that by the time of GBU, Leone was already thinking about making OUATIA.
Perhaps the mausoleum is a bit of unintentional foreshadowing  ;)

Perhaps, but that's quite a stretch; the mausoleum is a key plot point in OUATIA. Nonetheless, you make an interesting connection.


Title: Re: Clints horse at the end of the masterpiece
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 15, 2016, 08:36:43 AM
I am not making a connection; I am just making a joke  ;)

The whole 1968 part of OUATIA was not in The Hoods. Leone certainly was not thinking about a mausoleum in OUATIA during filming of GBU  ;)


Title: Re: Clints horse at the end of the masterpiece
Post by: Novecento on April 15, 2016, 11:56:02 AM
phew  :D


Title: Re: Clints horse at the end of the masterpiece
Post by: uncknown on June 22, 2016, 07:25:52 PM
better question -- how could Angel Eyes sneak up on Blondie & Tuco in a huge open field where there are nothing but graves as far as the eye can see?

In the uncut version he takes his boots off :D