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Title: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: dave jenkins on April 20, 2016, 06:45:41 AM
We just don't get enough remakes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deSRpSn8Pyk


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 20, 2016, 07:51:41 AM
Thanks for sharing.

Not terribly excited based on the trailer. Feels like a Tarantino movie. Which means y'all will like it but I won't.

But these days, I am happy just to see that a Western is being made.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: Novecento on April 20, 2016, 08:13:34 AM
What a long way we are from "Seven Samurai"...


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: cigar joe on April 20, 2016, 10:22:53 AM
It all looks too green and too PC don't ya think?

Probably got one black man, one asian, one woman, one hispanic, one white man, one transgender, one gay.  O0 O0 O0


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: dave jenkins on April 20, 2016, 11:00:16 AM
It all looks too green and too PC don't ya think?

Probably got one black man, one asian, one woman, one hispanic, one white man, one transgender, one gay.  O0 O0 O0
You're forgetting the Native American who kills with bow and arrows.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: cigar joe on April 20, 2016, 11:21:40 AM
You're forgetting the Native American who kills with bow and arrows.

which one does he bump off the list?  ;D


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: stanton on April 20, 2016, 01:14:45 PM
Thanks for sharing.

Not terribly excited based on the trailer. Feels like a Tarantino movie. Which means y'all will like it but I won't.


It doesn't look for a second like a QT film. And with a director like Fuqua there ain't much hope that it will work for me.

Actually QTs westerns are not that good either.
Well, actually it's a mess. Mediocre genre directors like Fuqua and Mangold make westerns, and when great directors like QT or los Coens shoot one, it will be inevitable one of their weaker films.

Where are the reincarnations of Peckinpah and Leone?


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: Groggy on April 20, 2016, 01:29:21 PM
Why.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: Dust Devil on April 21, 2016, 03:12:27 AM
There's money to be made in a place like this.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: cigar joe on April 21, 2016, 03:58:14 AM
There's money to be made in a place like this.

 O0


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: Groggy on April 21, 2016, 07:35:50 AM
There's money to be made in a place like this.

We deal in profit margins, friend.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: T.H. on April 21, 2016, 05:07:24 PM
To make things worse, it's made by Sony, so any chance this of thing having a shred of creative integrity is out the window.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: titoli on April 22, 2016, 10:39:48 PM
It's good they remade just the title: didn't even try to find lookalike faces of the original. It could have been called "Dirty Dozen" or "The Professionals" or "Seven Men Army" with nobody objectioning to it. Still looks like a not bad b-grade timewaster. I'll watch it.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: noodles_leone on July 18, 2016, 11:03:30 AM
Trailer 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shnGH2yi2rc


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: dave jenkins on July 18, 2016, 11:09:11 AM
"I feel like we're bonding." There's some great 19th Century dialog for you.

Why doesn't somebody make a Western where, at the beginning, a bunch of 21st Century men and women show up in their usual clothes, change into Western garb, and then go into a holodeck or something to act out the action?


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: stanton on December 26, 2016, 02:29:20 AM
The Mag 7 remake (might be better called the 4th sequel) is as uncharismatic as are its characters as are their actors. Even the Denzel remains pale (well, comparatively). Action scenes are not bad, but lack a reasonable structure, and are going on of course much too long. A generous 5/10, which makes it probably the best sequel of the not-that-great-either original.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: Dust Devil on December 26, 2016, 03:42:56 AM
I don't think I'll be bothering with this in the near future.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: noodles_leone on December 26, 2016, 06:54:15 AM
Some guy told me they should have switched the genre once again, which isn't stupid. If they want to remake it, why stick with western? They should do a Vietnam war version or something. That would feel "fresh" again.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: dave jenkins on December 26, 2016, 10:45:24 AM
Some guy told me they should have switched the genre once again, which isn't stupid. If they want to remake it, why stick with western? They should do a Vietnam war version or something. That would feel "fresh" again.
Do you really think Battle Beyond the Stars was a success? Well, to each his own.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: stanton on December 26, 2016, 12:19:29 PM
They only need a director with ideas, one with a vision. Not one with a slide rule.

Mag 7 anno 16 is too generic to be anything special. At least I couldn't tell who of the 7 survives and who not (apart from the comparatively pale Denzel of course). That Denzel guy, he's such a great actor, but did he ever made one real worthy film?


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: dave jenkins on December 26, 2016, 04:15:54 PM
That Denzel guy, he's such a great actor, but did he ever made one real worthy film?
That's easy: No. Got any tough questions?


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: noodles_leone on December 26, 2016, 04:38:51 PM
Do you really think Battle Beyond the Stars was a success? Well, to each his own.

I don't even think the original Magnificent 7 was any good.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: stanton on December 27, 2016, 02:35:59 AM
That's easy: No. Got any tough questions?

It was a rhetorical question, so I wasn't asking for a real answer, but actually there is one: Inside Man is really good (despite the puzzling fact that Drink also likes it), I'll give it a 9, but otherwise I think he did not made a film better than 7. Before you all will tell me now that Inside Man is shit, I might add that with or without only one goodie it is kinda disappointing for such a talented actor. Too much los bros Scott stuff indicates that he has a choose-the-right-director problem.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 27, 2016, 06:40:36 AM
Training Day was a very good movie.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: stanton on December 27, 2016, 06:53:28 AM
Training Day was a very good movie.

Nope, disappointing compared to its possibilities. Maybe 6/10, maybe beneath.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: Novecento on December 27, 2016, 07:18:06 AM
I don't even think the original Magnificent 7 was any good.

Certainly a very far cry from Seven Samurai.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: T.H. on December 28, 2016, 12:54:35 AM
So I stand alone on thinking that the original Mag 7 is better than Seven Samurai? Samurai is overlong and more academic than enjoyable. The Mag 7 is brilliantly directed, has a fantastic score and is one of the more fun movies of the classic Hollywood era. It also feels more modern than most movies of its time.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: stanton on December 28, 2016, 03:05:33 AM
The Mag 7 is brilliantly directed, has a fantastic score and is one of the more fun movies of the classic Hollywood era. It also feels more modern than most movies of its time.

In parts, yes, but for me every western of Sturges from the 50s is better.

But 7 Samurai is also not without faults.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 28, 2016, 04:08:53 AM
IMO Mag 7 is a good movie and 7 Samuarai is excruciating. Three hours of Japanese men crying.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: Dust Devil on December 28, 2016, 04:48:16 AM
Men have feelings too.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 28, 2016, 08:14:32 AM
Men have feelings too.

 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( >:D


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: Novecento on December 28, 2016, 02:24:06 PM
IMO Mag 7 is a good movie and 7 Samuarai is excruciating. Three hours of Japanese men crying.

D&D - as a Leone fan, surely you find something in Seven Samurai to your liking? The Kurosawa influence on Leone was very significant after all.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: dave jenkins on December 28, 2016, 05:15:49 PM
IMO Mag 7 is a good movie and 7 Samuarai is excruciating. Three hours of Japanese men crying.
D&D is excruciating: 3 hrs. of listening to him talk about all the babes he's banged. Give me the crying Japs any day.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 28, 2016, 06:25:43 PM
D&D is excruciating: 3 hrs. of listening to him talk about all the babes he's banged. Give me the crying Japs any day.

The babes are crying after 3 hours of me


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: stanton on December 29, 2016, 02:51:09 AM
The babes are crying after 3 hours of me

Why do they need so long? ;)


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: noodles_leone on December 29, 2016, 04:38:29 AM
The babes are crying after 3 hours of me

In a good way?  :-\


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: uncknown on December 29, 2016, 12:09:03 PM
So I stand alone on thinking that the original Mag 7 is better than Seven Samurai? Samurai is overlong and more academic than enjoyable. The Mag 7 is brilliantly directed, has a fantastic score and is one of the more fun movies of the classic Hollywood era. It also feels more modern than most movies of its time.

Id....id.. idi... >:D


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: uncknown on December 29, 2016, 12:10:06 PM
DENZEL:

GLORY
CRIMSON TIDE
FLIGHT
INSIDE MAN....

nah , no good movies :-X


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: dave jenkins on December 29, 2016, 08:19:05 PM
DENZEL:

GLORY
CRIMSON TIDE
FLIGHT
INSIDE MAN....

nah , no good movies :-X
Glory isn't bad. It may rise to "good." But that is different, if I understand correctly, from "real worthy."


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: Dust Devil on December 30, 2016, 05:20:34 AM
I liked Inside Man a great deal to be honest. Crimson Tide is also tightly packed, and worth of your time.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: Dust Devil on December 30, 2016, 05:22:03 AM
I'd have to rewatch 7S and TM7 to give my opinion on whichever I like more; but I did like them both. That much I can tell you.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: stanton on December 30, 2016, 05:47:49 AM
I liked Inside Man a great deal to be honest. Crimson Tide is also tightly packed, and worth of your time.

Inside Man is a very good thriller, with lots of amazing acting, not only by the Denzelist.

Crimson Tide is 6/10


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: uncknown on December 30, 2016, 01:19:22 PM
I liked Inside Man a great deal to be honest. Crimson Tide is also tightly packed, and worth of your time.

INSIDE MAN is fantastic!!!!


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: Moorman on January 18, 2017, 06:23:44 AM
I was HIGHLY disappointed in this film. I'm a  huge fan of the director, Antoine Fuqua, and of course, Denzel Washington, so i had HIGH hopes that this movie would start a rebirth of westerns that Tarantino has failed to do with his version of it.  Everything was on deck for the director to do just that. Did i say already that i was HIGHLY disappointed in this movie?

First, a lot of people felt it was either blasphemy or just plain no need, to redo the original Mag7.  I disagree wholeheartedly because to me, the original was overrated, big time. I said in my review of the original that they had the huge build up, excellent cast, and mixed all that with pop gun fights.  This movie went the opposite direction. It had the huge cast, but a stupid the Mag7 meets avengers, buildup. No character development, and a stupid script.  The gunfights went the extreme opposite direction, but lacked the Peckinpah realism...

Everything about this movie was done to setup the final showdown.  What a showdown it was. Way over the top. Did i already say this was a avengers movie? I wanted to turn it off when Chris Pratt's character did his attack the gatling gun sequence. I wanted to burn it when Denzel's character pulls a Once Upon a Time in the Old West thing at the very end when he reveals why he is truly after the bad guy...

Garbage, and i expected more from both the director and Denzel Washington...


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: cigar joe on January 18, 2017, 04:02:55 PM
I'll catch it if it ever comes on Netflix.


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: Spikeopath on February 08, 2017, 02:17:05 PM
Well I liked it plenty enough  :D

I seek righteousness. But I'll take revenge.

Directed by Antoine Fuqua and written by Nic Pizzolatto and Richard Wenk. Starring Denzel Washington, Chris Pratt, Ethan Hawke, Vincent D'Onofrio, Byung-hun Lee, Manuel Garcia-Rulfo, Martin Sensmeier, Haley Bennett and Peter Sarsgard. Music is by Simon Franglen (also working from a James Horner template) and cinematography by Mauro Fiore.

Seven gunmen band together to aid the town of Rose Creek whose inhabitants are being driven out by ruthless capitalist Bartholomew Bogue.

We are now in an age of film making where "tagged classics" are no longer sacrosanct. Any number of these "tagged classics" have been and will become viable for remake - reboot - reimaging for newer audiences. It's here, it happens and really there's nothing we can do about it but moan amongst ourselves. John Sturges' 1960 The Magnificent Seven (itself a remake of Kurosawa pic Yojimbo) is a much loved film, and not just in Western lovers circles, it's a film that non Western fans are known to enjoy - and rightly so, it deserves its place as a "tagged classic" and still enthrals over 50 years since its release. So the big studio big wigs and Antoine Fuqua were taking a major gamble remaking a classic remake with their own remake!

Undeniably the shadows loom large over the 2016 version, so much weight of expectation, in fact to some it was a stinker of a film even before it was released! Well, as those who have seen it will attest, both the fans and the dissenters, it hasn't raised the bar for the "Seven" formula, but, and this is very key here, the makers wasn't setting out to make a film that down the line would be a perceived a "tagged classic", and this is evident in the ream of extras available on the Blu-ray releases. They achieved what they set out to do, to make a blunderbuss Oater for the modern era to sample, and they have done it with much love, much cool and lashings of technical greatness. Add in a cast clearly enjoying themselves and not letting anyone down, and it's a tasty plate of beans.

Fuqua updates things by having his seven as a row of differing ethnicity's, which works a treat, and crucially he and his writers are respectful of those characterisations, even if a bit more fleshing out wouldn't have gone amiss. Yet nothing is at a cost to honouring the great Westerns of old. Beautiful landscapes envelope the players, the musical score bouncing around man and nature with homaged sweetness. There's closeups, silhouetted slices of panache, superb stunt work (man and beast), glorious set design, and then there's the action. The fight sequences are excellently constructed, a feast for the eyes and ears, death and slaughter unfurled in brutal but hunger appeasing strokes. There's comic relief about the place, and while much of the dialogue wouldn't have the great poets of yore troubled, there is deepness to be found. Intelligence, too, the addition of PTSD to one of the main players is a notable piece of worth, while how wonderful to find a Western lady character of great substance (Bennett excellent), so good in fact she could have been one of the seven!

It's a bare bones story, with a pointless motive revelation tagged on for the finale, while some anachronisms will irritate those bothered by such. But if you are able to judge it on its own terms, as a Western entertainment for this era, and to accept it isn't trying to outdo the source of its inspiration, then a good time can readily be had. 8/10


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: cigar joe on February 08, 2017, 03:27:27 PM
thanks for the review cigar joe (mgtbltp)  O0


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 08, 2017, 07:13:17 PM
Welcome aboard, all newbies  O0 O0 O0


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: uncknown on April 27, 2017, 08:27:04 PM
It all looks too green and too PC don't ya think?

Probably got one black man, one asian, one woman, one hispanic, one white man, one transgender, one gay.  O0 O0 O0

My thoughts at first but...

this is the rare exception where multi-cultural casting absolutely works!
 :)


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: uncknown on April 27, 2017, 08:28:42 PM
DENZEL:

GLORY
CRIMSON TIDE
FLIGHT
INSIDE MAN....

nah , no good movies :-X

ad MAG 7 to that last of "no good" movies ^-^


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: uncknown on April 27, 2017, 08:32:14 PM
They achieved what they set out to do, to make a blunderbuss Oater for the modern era to sample, and they have done it with much love, much cool and lashings of technical greatness. Add in a cast clearly enjoying themselves and not letting anyone down, and it's a tasty plate of beans.

"Fuqua updates things by having his seven as a row of differing ethnicity's, which works a treat, and crucially he and his writers are respectful of those characterisations, even if a bit more fleshing out wouldn't have gone amiss. Yet nothing is at a cost to honouring the great Westerns of old. Beautiful landscapes envelope the players, the musical score bouncing around man and nature with homaged sweetness. There's closeups, silhouetted slices of panache, superb stunt work (man and beast), glorious set design, and then there's the action. The fight sequences are excellently constructed, a feast for the eyes and ears, death and slaughter unfurled in brutal but hunger appeasing strokes. There's comic relief about the place, and while much of the dialogue wouldn't have the great poets of yore troubled, there is deepness to be found. Intelligence, too, the addition of PTSD to one of the main players is a notable piece of worth, while how wonderful to find a Western lady character of great substance (Bennett excellent), so good in fact she could have been one of the seven!

It's a bare bones story, with a pointless motive revelation tagged on for the finale, while some anachronisms will irritate those bothered by such. But if you are able to judge it on its own terms, as a Western entertainment for this era, and to accept it isn't trying to outdo the source of its inspiration, then a good time can readily be had. 8/10"



can't really add much to that.
Its a Western made by people who love westerns for movie goers who love westerns
.
bruce marshall


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: uncknown on April 27, 2017, 08:34:02 PM
I don't think I'll be bothering with this in the near future.

id...id... idi... ^-^


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: uncknown on April 27, 2017, 08:36:20 PM
D & D was completely surprised when Ethan Hawke's character returned at the end.
"I never saw that coming!" he reportedly yelled out loud ^-^


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 27, 2017, 08:57:35 PM
D & D was completely surprised when Ethan Hawke's character returned at the end.
"I never saw that coming!" he reportedly yelled out loud ^-^

I literally never saw it coming: I was busy making out in the back corner of the theater   >:D


Title: Re: The Magnificent Seven (2016)
Post by: uncknown on April 27, 2017, 09:01:34 PM
I literally never saw it coming: I was busy making out in the back corner of the theater   >:D

with a human being? >:D >:D >:D