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Title: Blueberry (2004)
Post by: mackace23 on September 02, 2004, 07:36:48 AM

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0276830/


The movie starring Vincent Cassel as Blueberry will be coming out in November under the name Renegade..check out the link below


http://www.dvdtown.com/announcement/renegadeakablueberryondvdnovem/727/?PHPSESSID=752254fc947ff1773390a5546a9c6283


Title: Re:Blueberry western-DVD release
Post by: grandpa_chum on September 02, 2004, 09:28:11 AM
thats great!
seen the trailers and it looks at the very least very interesting


Title: Re:Blueberry western-DVD release
Post by: DJIMBO on September 02, 2004, 09:30:43 AM
Has anyone seen this Blueberry, what ive heard is a modern-day spaghetti western, from what ive heard its pretty average.


Title: Re:Blueberry western-DVD release
Post by: leonefan on September 02, 2004, 05:06:55 PM
The synopsis reminded me of GBU.  


Title: Re:Blueberry western-DVD release
Post by: mackace23 on September 02, 2004, 08:13:26 PM
I really don't know much about the movie. I hope it's an ok western. I read that there are some wild special effects in it. I'm suprised to see it on dvd already. I wasn't expecting it so soon. Can't wait to check it out.


Title: Re:Blueberry western-DVD release
Post by: Blueberry on September 03, 2004, 01:23:58 AM
As a big Blueberry fan I was very thrilled to hear of this movie last winter but when I read that there is practically no Blueberrry storyline left in it, and that Kounen had turned one of the best album story lines into an acid trip; I was dissapointed. Coz the story that the movie is based on is excellent - twists and turns, quest for gold, mad german, a ghost in the canyon etc. - but apparently the movie is more of a personal introvert statement from Kounen. Which is fine if it wasn't so bad as they say it is. It hasn't even premiered in Denmark yet and I don't know if it will. But damn, such high hopes...


Title: Re:Blueberry western-DVD release
Post by: amanwitha45 on September 10, 2004, 01:03:21 PM
mmm i think this movie doesnt rock


Title: Re:Blueberry western-DVD release
Post by: Guerrilla on September 12, 2004, 09:51:04 AM
Yah, i allready seen it..
its a some kind of western,but with mexican/apache-indian bad medicine/shamanizm.They drink meskalin/peyote in a ancient atzek kript.


Title: Re:Blueberry western-DVD release
Post by: cigar joe on September 12, 2004, 08:31:30 PM
So its sort of a psycadelic western  :D


Title: Re:Blueberry western-DVD release
Post by: Guerrilla on September 24, 2004, 01:18:19 AM
yea,dets right..
the last 30 min. of the movie u just see Vensan Casel's visions made by peyote...its crazy..
 


Title: Re:Blueberry western-DVD release
Post by: Guerrilla on September 24, 2004, 01:36:40 AM
 "Blueberry" is a.k.a "Renegade"


Title: Re:Blueberry western-DVD release
Post by: The Smoker on September 24, 2004, 12:20:24 PM
I remember Blueberry posting stuff about this back in April. The comic origins sounded fasinating from the links he posted.

Sounds more like El Topo from the opinions.

Still very curious about seein it.


Title: Renegade/Blueberry
Post by: cigar joe on April 17, 2005, 09:42:29 PM
I should have watched this earlier but was put off by some of our French amigos negative comments.

Sort of a Spaghetti Mystic Western, I've never seen anything of Blueberry except for a few images posted here so I didn't have any predisposed expectations.

Anyway I saw it tonight and can honestly say the SW/Euro Western parts were just great, the indian shaman stuff was ok too, but the CGI's were way too long (espcially for me a child of the 60's who seen this stuff before, in more ways than one, lol) if they would have trimmed them down to a few minutes it would have made a much better quicker paced film.

The peyote tea tripping halucinitory images have been done before  in "2001 A Space Odessey" "Easy Rider" and in "Altered States" even "The Cell" to name just four, I guess it may be a case of too much of a good thing.

The western set pieces had that Spaghetti twist which was great, ie., Ernest Borgnine as the wheelchair bound sherriff, and Dijimon Honsou and what happens to him is a hoot. It could have used much more of this and less the special FX. The cinematography was great no complaints there. Even with these faults its better than the "Quick & the Dead".


Title: Re: Renegade/Blueberry
Post by: Nobody on April 18, 2005, 05:57:40 AM
I've stayed away from this because of all the negative comments I've heard and reviews I've read. Will probably check it out one day though, the cast is certainly interesting. The CGI elements doesn't sound very appealing though.


Title: Re: Renegade/Blueberry
Post by: Blueberry on April 18, 2005, 01:09:51 PM
Blueberry The Movie... it stinks, trust me CJ, you gotta read those graphic novels instead, particularly The Mad German's Gold Mine and The Ghost with the Golden Bullets (or something lika that in English). There can't be much of a European comics scene in the US if you can't get them. They're classics. The movie never will be.


Title: Re: Renegade/Blueberry
Post by: cigar joe on April 18, 2005, 05:01:06 PM
Blueberry I can understand your comments, being a Blueberry fan, what reaction did the film get in Europe, did it do any box office?

I really enjoyed the western sequences, but then again I've not read any Blueberry. If you can give us a better and longer critique it would be helpful to us. Tell us what was the Blueberry parts and what was not,  and if you know why did they choose not to make a Blueberry Film, I'd be interested in hearing more inside from you and what you heard "on the grapevine" thanks in advance.


Title: Re: Renegade/Blueberry
Post by: Blueberry on April 19, 2005, 02:55:40 AM
It was not a succes in the the cinemas, I think it didn't even make it to the big screen in many countries. Not in Denmark, anyway.

I posted a more elaborate critique some time ago somewhere on this board. My main point is that the movie is as much about a self-conscious director on an inward journey, while the comics are plot-loaded with many partnerships that come and go, betrayal, better characters and so on. And then there's the "ghost" of Superstition Mountain.

And of course, in the movie there's some random chick thrown in (Juliette Lewis) which makes it even worse. You're right, though, it's got some nice cinematography from time to time.

And the stereotypical portrayal of the "indians" as "authentic" "noble savages" in contact with nature, spirits, and the inner world gives me the cramps.

Well, just found it was a miserable attempt to film Blueberry, and maybe my expectations were too high anyway.


Title: Re: Renegade/Blueberry
Post by: cigar joe on April 19, 2005, 04:18:38 AM
OK Thanks,

It was released here as Renegade, (the only clue that it is based on Blueberry is in the credits and in the cast list at the end) in maybe a few citys I think  NY & LA, it came and went so fast I didn't even notice it. It went to DVD fairly quickly. Its been getting about an equal number of either enthusiastic positive reviews or highly negative reviews.


Title: Re: Renegade/Blueberry
Post by: Fortean on April 25, 2005, 08:19:34 PM
I was lucky enough to find a copy of the Blueberry Saga Confederate Gold at a used book store. It would make a great western, so I can't imagine why the film they came up with was so oddball.

That said, I'll probably give it a try. Between Starship Troopers and Jurassic park 2 I decided it was necessary to seperate films from anything they might be based on - and just take them as they are.

That doesn't mean the film will be any good to me, it just means I won't hate it because it fails to live up to the legend of Blueberry.

I need to find more of those books.


Title: Re: Renegade/Blueberry
Post by: cigar joe on April 26, 2005, 03:23:00 AM
Give it a shot and let us know what you think, I liked its SW twists and great cinematography, I thought the psycadelic sequences ran a bit long, but now from some of the comments I've read they do show a struggle between Blueberry and Blount, so I'll have to pay more attention to actual action in the tripping sequences, lol.

A native Navajo commented (on IMDb) that his father and he, thought the film was one of the best ever depicting their view of life, go figure.


Title: Re: Blueberry western-DVD release
Post by: shorty larsen on May 15, 2005, 12:50:27 PM
Not a good movie, not even a good story.


Title: Re: Renegade/Blueberry
Post by: The Firecracker on January 13, 2007, 04:37:50 PM
HOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLY  ***********************


WHAT THE FUCK WAS THIS!?


A great cast WASTED.

What a pretentious load of garbage.

The bad LCD trip scenes were WAY TOO LONG.

The most unsatisfying western (if not movie) I have ever witnessed.

It is beyond human comprehension HOW MUCH this film SUCKS.


STAY AWAY AT ALL COSTS.



Title: Re: Renegade/Blueberry
Post by: geoman-1 on January 13, 2007, 04:44:03 PM
HOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLY  ***********************


WHAT THE ****** WAS THIS!?


A great cast WASTED.

What a pretentious load of garbage.

The bad LCD trip scenes were WAY TOO LONG.

The most unsatisfying western (if not movie) I have ever witnessed.

It is beyond human comprehension HOW MUCH this film SUCKS.


STAY AWAY AT ALL COSTS.


I get the impression that you didn't care too much for this film FC.


Title: Re: Renegade/Blueberry
Post by: cigar joe on January 13, 2007, 04:46:26 PM
I liked it better that Navajo Joe & The Specialist  ;)


Title: Re: Renegade/Blueberry
Post by: The Firecracker on January 13, 2007, 04:47:53 PM
I liked it better that Navajo Joe & The Specialist  ;)

and you say I'm delusional ::)


Title: Re: Renegade/Blueberry
Post by: The Firecracker on January 13, 2007, 04:48:36 PM
I get the impression that you didn't care too much for this film FC.

That would be putting it lightly.


Title: Re: Renegade/Blueberry
Post by: The Peacemaker on January 13, 2007, 04:49:28 PM
That would be putting it lightly.

If you didn't like this, how would you rate Matalo?

I've been interested in that one lately.


Title: Re: Renegade/Blueberry
Post by: The Firecracker on January 13, 2007, 04:53:18 PM
If you didn't like this, how would you rate Matalo?

I've been interested in that one lately.


Their two totally different films despite both being weird westerns. I tend to lean towards the weird stuff myself but Blueberry was just a dull peice of trash.


Title: Re: Renegade/Blueberry
Post by: The Peacemaker on January 13, 2007, 04:55:34 PM

Their two totally different films despite both being weird westerns. I tend to lean towards the weird stuff myself but Blueberry was just a dull peice of trash.

I see.

So I guess you must've liked Matalo.

I love the theme song:
http://www.moviegrooves.com/audiolow/matalo_1.mp3


Title: Re: Renegade/Blueberry
Post by: The Firecracker on January 13, 2007, 05:00:21 PM


I love the theme song:
http://www.moviegrooves.com/audiolow/matalo_1.mp3



Yes I like the Hendrixy soundtrack.


Title: Re: Renegade/Blueberry
Post by: cigar joe on January 16, 2007, 04:44:48 AM
One of the things I liked about this was the fact that it was well made and it was an attempt to do something in the genre, it took a chance on a different take, lol, I guess the Native American Shaman/Euro/Western. Somebody was willing to put some bucks into it, and it got a pretty much 50-50 reception, either its liked or its panned.

The main thing is  it takes a new tact and its an effort to revive the Euro/SW Genre, and I applaud all attemps. Eventally one of them may hit on all cylinders.

At any rate its way better than the likes of dialog driven soap opera's made for TV Westerns we are getting like the recent Broken Trail.


Title: Re: Renegade/Blueberry
Post by: The Peacemaker on January 16, 2007, 02:54:19 PM

At any rate its way better than the likes of dialog driven soap opera's made for TV Westerns we are getting like the recent Broken Trail.

Thank you CJ!!!   O0

You MUST write to AMC and tell them the proper way to make a western:

Cut the dialogue, take the romance out of the main plot, use memorable music not tacked-on stuff, and for God's sake, SHOOT SOMEONE!!!   ::)


Title: Re: Renegade/Blueberry
Post by: titoli on January 17, 2007, 10:44:08 PM
Seen last night. There are things I like in this movie (they've been enumerated here or at IMDB) but concurrently they simply forgot to make a western. A pity.


Title: Re: Renegade/Blueberry
Post by: cigar joe on January 18, 2007, 04:18:47 AM
The main thing to remember is they took a chance at a Western that was something different, I think it should have been a bit more on the Western a bit less on the Indian Shaman drug trip. It had a few great SW garnishes though, I thought (Rolling Star for one) that should have been amplified, a missed opportunity IMO.


Title: Re: Renegade/Blueberry
Post by: titoli on January 18, 2007, 05:30:27 AM
I find incredible that they got enmeshed in all the CGI stuff and forgot about the action.  I think the director was countiing too much on his ability to generate original images (which it may be good - per se - if one directs a videoclip) forgetting that a western is "also" (and there's no way around it) a matter of action, confrontations and shootings. The dialogues are weak, the main mystery (which I refused to believe it was the one I had guessed after 20 minutes) not relevant. And the camera work (the shots from below and the circular movements, not to talk of the aerial ones) are too insisted. I think the whole work denounces the lack of good screenplayers and of a vigilant and an authoritative producer. Add to that the scarce weight of the actors (I only liked Geoffrey Lewis, although he gave me the impression that he was wondering all the time what the hell was all about) and you have this half-disaster. Still I think the movie can offer some matter of reflection for those who want to approach the genre by new angles.   


Title: Re: Blueberry (2004)
Post by: noodles_leone on November 04, 2016, 10:53:16 AM
For those of you who like the comic books (the others can go to hell), I just found a vastly documented piece about the influences (mainly western movies) behind the art of Jean Giraud:

http://blueberrybr.blogspot.fr/2013/06/inspiracoes-de-charlier-e-de-giraud.html


Title: Re: Blueberry (2004)
Post by: cigar joe on November 04, 2016, 01:13:41 PM
For those of you who like the comic books (the others can go to hell), I just found a vastly documented piece about the influences (mainly western movies) behind the art of Jean Giraud:

http://blueberrybr.blogspot.fr/2013/06/inspiracoes-de-charlier-e-de-giraud.html

Thanks I'll check it out.