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Films of Sergio Leone => Once Upon A Time In The West => Topic started by: drinkanddestroy on December 18, 2016, 10:55:12 PM



Title: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 18, 2016, 10:55:12 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rHlkX8XTJRQ


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: noodles_leone on December 19, 2016, 01:48:31 AM
I thought I had posted this video on here before but I may be wrong.


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: cigar joe on December 19, 2016, 03:32:13 AM
Tavern Scene???? who the fuck would call it a TAVERN it makes me question the whole analysis, makes me want to analyze the analizer.

They are called SALOONS, BARS, or watering holes. lol. :D, ;D


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: stanton on December 19, 2016, 03:53:38 AM
I thought I had posted this video on here before but I may be wrong.

That shouldn't be a problem. In a forum about a director with such a huge filmography everything has already been said, only not by everyone ... ;)


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: Cusser on December 19, 2016, 07:36:21 AM
Very good link, thanks.


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 19, 2016, 08:13:26 AM
Tavern Scene???? who the fuck would call it a TAVERN it makes me question the whole analysis, makes me want to analyze the analizer.

They are called SALOONS, BARS, or watering holes. lol. :D, ;D

Frayling calls it a trading post. We usually refer to it here as the Trading Post scene. (Note: The score calls the song here "First Tavern.") I will change the title to Trading Post Scene


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 19, 2016, 08:15:17 AM
I thought I had posted this video on here before but I may be wrong.

If you did, it must have been very recently; the video was only posted to YouTube two weeks ago.


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: dave jenkins on December 20, 2016, 12:28:31 PM
Tavern Scene???? who the fuck would call it a TAVERN it makes me question the whole analysis, makes me want to analyze the analizer.
This is just semantic hair-splitting. A bigger complaint is the fact the guy (hereafter referred to as "the guy") doesn't know how to pronounce "Cardinale". Also, how can he constantly refer to the barkeep without mentioning he's played by the immortal Lionel Stander?

I'd say the general approach the guy uses is sound. He perhaps makes too much of Sam--it's possible he's an audience surrogate, but since he disappears from the scene when Harmonica is revealed this doesn't really hold water. I never pay any attention to him in that scene at all (although perhaps that's my mistake). The guy makes too little of Jill--it's true she is ignored by the two principal males, but that is only a temporary condition. Increasingly, they will become devoted to her. And even though she doesn't do much throughout the film, the fact of her presence is a center around which the men, including Frank, will revolve.

Finally, the guy doesn't appear to know that the Harmonica-rising-from-the-dead shot is not supposed to be in the definitive cut. We need the lantern-reveal not to reintroduce Harmonica to the audience, but to show that H is still alive.

Nice analysis of Leone-ene compositions, though.


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: noodles_leone on December 21, 2016, 02:34:04 AM
Well, his series is called "Camera Angles and Movement", after all. He's a very interesting technician to listen to, not a film critic.


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: titoli on December 21, 2016, 03:11:26 AM
This is just semantic hair-splitting.

But that one is a trading post. Not a tavern or whatever of the names cj enumerates, which limit themselves to selling of food and beverages.


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: Dust Devil on December 21, 2016, 12:18:15 PM
It is not really an analysis, is it? I mean, maybe from the technical point of view, but there's much more to movies than that. Interesting watch nevertheless.


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: noodles_leone on December 21, 2016, 01:55:02 PM
It is not really an analysis, is it? I mean, maybe from the technical point of view, but there's much more to movies than that. Interesting watch nevertheless.

Well, his series is called "Camera Angles and Movement", after all. He's a very interesting technician to listen to, not a film critic.

For the record, he's actually a cinematographer, and his show is intended for filmmakers and cinematographers.


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: dave jenkins on December 22, 2016, 10:48:53 AM
But that one is a trading post. Not a tavern or whatever of the names cj enumerates, which limit themselves to selling of food and beverages.
Dude, it's a trading post AND a tavern. The fact that baths are available means its also a spa and resort! Friday nights they probably stage amateur theatricals. Maybe you missed the set-up shot showing the place in the middle of Monument Valley with nothing else around? Lionel Stander is offering his clientele One Stop Shopping--the prototypical American convenience.


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: titoli on December 22, 2016, 12:12:05 PM
Dude, it's a trading post AND a tavern. The fact that baths are available means its also a spa and resort! Friday nights they probably stage amateur theatricals. Maybe you missed the set-up shot showing the place in the middle of Monument Valley with nothing else around? Lionel Stander is offering his clientele One Stop Shopping--the prototypical American convenience.

Dude, as usual you're English is faltering, as it is your logic. A trading post must  include the selling of beverages and food, as it  is a place away from peopled places. "a station of a trader or trading company established in a sparsely settled region where trade in products of local origin (as furs) is carried on." Among products of local origin I'd include also food and drink. You're being fooled by the name, but use logic.  While a tavern, quoting again your beloved "Webster" on line is simply:"an establishment where alcoholic beverages are sold to be drunk on the premises". It has nothing to do with a trading post. That's that. Don't try none of your table-turning tricks.


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: Cusser on December 23, 2016, 07:23:34 AM
Leone invented the Kwik-E-Mart?


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: dave jenkins on December 23, 2016, 11:28:27 AM
A trading post must  include the selling of beverages and food
It may include such things, but not usually for consumption on the premises. You're supposed to buy it and haul it away with you. A tavern allows consumption on site.

Your either/or approach is amusing. Which may explain why the joke about the Vatican being located in the center of Hell goes unappreciated by your typical Roman.


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: dave jenkins on December 23, 2016, 11:30:00 AM
Leone invented the Kwik-E-Mart?
Indeed. He also predicted the rise of Trump. And still the world won't listen!


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: titoli on December 23, 2016, 01:15:42 PM
It may include such things, but not usually for consumption on the premises. You're supposed to buy it and haul it away with you. A tavern allows consumption on site.

Your either/or approach is amusing. Which may explain why the joke about the Vatican being located in the center of Hell goes unappreciated by your typical Roman.

So a tavern sells usually saddles, stirrups and what else?   Come on, be serious.


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: titoli on December 31, 2016, 02:19:36 AM
It may include such things, but not usually for consumption on the premises. You're supposed to buy it and haul it away with you. A tavern allows consumption on site.



Just to prove, again, the amount of BS this man can shovel offhandedly  in a single line, I invite him (and whomever may care to) to watch again The Searchers.
But you're really teaching English? Ah, to Japanese. A pity groggy dude ain't here. WTF is he gone?


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: Cusser on December 31, 2016, 07:19:36 AM
It may include such things, but not usually for consumption on the premises. You're supposed to buy it and haul it away with you. A tavern allows consumption on site.

"There were no rules in them days....."


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: Novecento on December 31, 2016, 09:53:52 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rHlkX8XTJRQ

Seems like I'm blocked from watching this where I'm located....


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 31, 2016, 04:01:59 PM
Seems like I'm blocked from watching this where I'm located....

It is now blocked in USA as well


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: Dust Devil on January 01, 2017, 02:38:00 AM
Seems like I'm blocked from watching this where I'm located....

+1

I sometimes wonder why all that trouble.  ::)

Id... Id... Id...


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: Dust Devil on January 01, 2017, 02:39:02 AM
It is now blocked in USA as well

It's exclusively on DJ private channel now. So if you're a friend... :D


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: Usaviator on July 23, 2017, 12:27:02 AM
Lol. Is the argument that went on about what to call the tavern, trading post, kwick-ee-mart, a serious one, or are you guys trolling hard? 


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: titoli on July 23, 2017, 03:53:17 AM
Lol. Is the argument that went on about what to call the tavern, trading post, kwick-ee-mart, a serious one, or are you guys trolling hard? 

If it weren't serious you wouldn't be here.


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: Usaviator on July 24, 2017, 01:23:34 AM
I can take a good joke, and this thread definitely made me laugh.


Title: Re: An Analysis of the Trading Post Scene
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 24, 2017, 01:35:59 AM
It is now blocked in USA as well

The link is working fine now, at least in USA. Once again, here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHlkX8XTJRQ