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Title: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: cigar joe on September 12, 2004, 08:40:06 PM

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063970/


Saw  the very end (last 1/2 hour) of this film Satuday on AMC not too bad actually, Jim Brown, Burt Reynolds, Raquel Welch, Frenando Lamas, and Aldo Sambrel with a great town set in very familiar territory. Also looks like the same railway used in GBU and OUTITW. Catch the whole thing if you can.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: cigar joe on January 03, 2005, 04:32:06 PM
AMC is going to show Almeria western 100 Rifles with Jim Brown, Burt Reynolds, Raquel Welch, Frenando Lamas, Eric Braden and our SW staple Aldo Sambrel. Its got a great train wreck anong other things, lol.

Set your VCR or DVDr''s then we can discuss it here.

Jan 8th 5AM Eastern Standard Time
Jan 29th 8:30AM EST


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: cigar joe on January 07, 2005, 08:07:29 PM
Set your recorders and we can discuss this western tomorrow.

Tomorrow morning AMC 5:00AM EST.
Almeria western Jim Brown, Bert Reynolds, Raquel Welch, Freando Lamas, Aldo Sambrel. Great Train wreck and Raquel''s shower scene.

Also repeated Jan 29 8:30 AM EST


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: KERMIT on January 08, 2005, 03:42:47 AM
hot ticket joe/ thanks

raquel welch  flaunting it around but,  one bad bitch w/ a rifle.  jim brown puts on some serious gropings followed by raquel''''s ardent moans.  ::)
lots of good one liners between jim brown and burt, pre-wigged.
 would this be classified a zapata movie ?  the yaqui indians put up a fierce battle.  fistful of dynamite-esque w/ a touch of peckinpaw.  spaghetti  or chop suey

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Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: Tim on January 15, 2005, 06:19:32 PM
  100 Rifles is one of those movies that definitely deserves to be released on DVD in widescreen. 

  Aldo sure meets a bloody end in this one, kinda like "he" gave to Slim in For A Few Dollars More.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on November 01, 2005, 09:05:24 PM
I just watched it...cj...on Fox Movie Channel. You know...I ended up liking it..it was OK. Great familiar scenery...especially when the group enters the town to which they were bringing the rifles........I said to myself.."Hey..I know that street"!!  :D
It could have been a much better movie w/ some different casting decisions. Raquel Welch gave what I consider among the worst performances by a man, woman, child, or animal I've ever seen..it was painful to watch........& Jim Brown is just not an actor.
Replace those two...and it's a good enough story...w/ good enough action to be a better & more fun movie.
But I'd still recommend it as a decent Western.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: Tim on November 01, 2005, 10:05:54 PM
  I'll agree that Jim Brown is not a great actor.  Much like John Wayne, Brown is more of a presence than an actor.  He's good in 100 Rifles alongside Burt Reynolds, they make a good duo, and his presence is very strong in Dirty Dozen as Jefferson.

  100 Rifles may not be the best western, quasi-spaghetti or however you want to classify it, but it is a lot of fun.  Brown, Reynolds, and Raquel are all pretty good and it would be great to see a widescreen dvd release.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: cigar joe on August 26, 2006, 05:06:04 PM
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it would be great to see a widescreen dvd release.

Well folks we got our wish its out on DVD now released by 20th Century Fox .

So today after a buying & recording spree over the last two days I watched my 4th Western this morning popping "100 Rifles" into the player. This time it wasn't the pan & scan AMC commercial interrupted version I saw over a year ago.

This was well directed by Tom Gries a veteran TV director (Route 66, Combat, Rat Patrol, Man From Uncle) who's previous Western was "Will Penny".

This is a "no-pata" Western, sort of like a Zapata with no politics much like "The Wild Bunch" which fits this category.

The cast has Jim Brown, Burt Reynolds, Raquel Welch, Frenando Lamas, Eric Braeden, Aldo Sambrel, and a lot of SW extras that you will recognize. Shot in beautiful Almeria, the release is in  uncut widescreen.

The story opens with the hanging of Sarita's (Welches) father by the Federales. Officer Verdugo (Lamas) is a bloodthursty bastard, and he purposly pulls the horse out from Sarita's father so sloooowly so he's strangled rather tham has his neck broke. Sarita runs up and jumps upon her father using her weight to kill him quickly, its a powerful scene.

Sarita now becomes a Soldada, a Yaqui leader.

Jim Brown ex NFL football star isn't all that bad in this and he is believable as Arizona policeman Lyedecker on the trail of Yaqui Joe a Half Breed cross of a Yaqui Indian-Alabama Good-ol'-boy father (Burt Reynolds) who has robbed 6,000 dollars from an Arizona bank. With which he purchased the 100 rifles of the title for Sarita and The Yaquis.

This film does have some great action set pieces the escape of Yaqui Joe & Lyedecker out of the train and through the town shows off Reynolds stuntman abilities and Brown's athleticism.

There is a great bout of horsemanship as the group of Yaquis decend down an unbelievably steep ramblas, its really pretty exciting seeing the horses negotiate that decent.

All the action sequences are good, no complaints, especially Raquel's shower sequence (more like a wet "T" shirt shower) where she stops a troop train by a water tower, watch the spider holes, lol.

The train wreck at the end is also done well.

I'm thinking now that these American or British financed Euro shot Zapatas & "nopatas" are some of the best clones of the general SW trends in Westerns that influenced the genre after Leone's successes. They never  reached the heights that Leone did with "gunfight" based Westerns (like FAFDM or GBU) but with "Villa Rides" a Zapata and this film they very good jobs of cloning the Italian directors, the only missing elements are the innovative camera angles and the picaresque characters.

I could be the Almeria locations have something to do with it too, Clints AW's could have used a few alumni from Spain, or at the very least it would have been nice to see him shoot a film in Almeria.

I also thought "Chato's Land" was very good in its chase/manhunt sub genre while The Hunting Party was good but had a few minor flaws.

On the other hand Welches Hannie Caulder is lame in comparison and it has Almeria locations.  ???

100 Rifles even has a decent score, its not at Morricone's level but its good enough.

Another couple of interesting angles is the emergence of Welch as a strong believeable protagonist in this film, and also the interracial sexual affair between Brown & Welch. Cinematically speaking I don't quite know if after "The Great Silence" breaking this particular taboo if this was the next instance of interacial love or not.

This is one of Jim Browns best performances in a Western that I've seen so far, though I've not seen them all , and haven't seen El Condor since seeing it in a theater years ago so that claim may change.

Its worth finding and buying for your collection


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: cigar joe on August 27, 2006, 11:36:02 AM
One more thing I forgot to mention the train in 100 rifles is the same Prussian looking locomotive that was used in "A Bullet Fot The General" except this time it was "dressed" with an American cowcatcher, it was believable enough.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: Tim on August 27, 2006, 01:06:58 PM
  I bought the dvd earlier this summer after it was released.  It's pretty cheap, and has the widescreen presentation, a trailer, and a pretty extensive photo gallery.

 
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100 Rifles even has a decent score, its not at Morricone's level but its good enough.

  It was good enough for two movies!  The Last Hard Men, starring Charlton Heston and James Coburn in a great part as a super-evil villain, used Jerry Goldsmith's 100 Rifles score.  It fits a lot better with 100 Rifles.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: cigar joe on August 27, 2006, 08:51:02 PM
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It was good enough for two movies!  The Last Hard Men, starring Charlton Heston and James Coburn in a great part as a super-evil villain, used Jerry Goldsmith's 100 Rifles score.  It fits a lot better with 100 Rifles

Interesting didn't know that.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: Tim on August 28, 2006, 08:36:36 AM
  Have you seen The Last Hard Men, cigar?  It's occasionally on AMC, heavily-edited of course, but it's still worth a watch.  Like many movies from the 70s, there are some darker themes, obvious influences of the decade and also spaghettis.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: cigar joe on August 28, 2006, 12:17:43 PM
Yea I did see it but didn't make the connection


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 29, 2006, 06:13:16 PM
This film is okay at best.
It is mostly an american western trying to be a spaghetti but failing miserably (Think "The Professionals" and you have an idea).

Jim Brown is okay as the hero, Reynolds plays second fiddle and Welch is eye candy (thankfully that's all you need from her).

The villian is forgettable except for one scene where he lines indians up in a straight line and fires a pistol through their chest's to see how far the bullet will go through.

The best scene is easily Welch showering in the middle of the desert just before a big gunfight ensues.

SPOILER


Did'nt think Welch should have died at the end...seemed too out of place with the happy go lucky feel of the film.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: cigar joe on August 29, 2006, 09:22:32 PM
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Did'nt think Welch should have died at the end...seemed too out of place with the happy go lucky feel of the film.


Yea but that was a very Spaghetti Touch, no?


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 29, 2006, 09:24:41 PM

SPOILER!



Spoiler






 

Yea but that was a very Spaghetti Touch, no?



Yeah if your name is "The Great Silence". Not many happy go lucky spags killed a main character off. This to me was "happy go lucky" (not through out but most of it).


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: cigar joe on August 29, 2006, 09:47:53 PM
I've just recently upped my opinion of it after watching the DVD, if all you've seen is AMC's Pan & Scan presentation, it makes a diff.

Its like we have all these second tier stars the B list if you will and the film came out remarkably well, with a good score to boot. I've also thought of RW as eye candy before but here she is actually one of the leads and has some good scenes.

Of course,





Spoilers:

You know that the scene where she helps her father die would have been handles a lot better in a real SW (perhaps with a very audible CRAAAAK!, lol and a big jerk to both bodies) , but I really didn't get the significance of it watching the P&S version on AMC (it could even have been cut or the P&S may have obscured it somewhat) , but I really picked up on it with the DVD and it seemed the whole film improved in widescreen.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 29, 2006, 10:24:19 PM
but I really picked up on it with the DVD and it seemed the whole film improved in widescreen.

Saw it on Encore westerns about 6 months ago. I dont remember the scene of when RW's father dies. Sorry.


I dont feel the need to own it really.

I missed a view of "Shalako" that same night. It was going to come on after 100 rifles but it was 2 AM and I was dead tired.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on November 07, 2008, 08:08:23 PM
I have only seen the pan and scan version, but I don't think the movie is good enough to buy the DVD. Maybe with a bit of luck they will pass the widescreen version in TCM and I will be able to record it.  >:D


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: cigar joe on November 08, 2008, 01:29:11 PM
You can probably pick up a used copy of Amazon pretty reasonable.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: Dust Devil on May 31, 2009, 06:41:44 PM
This Spaghetti-Zapata-Blaxploitation crossbreed is a queer one. There's the SW feel, the ZW plot, the BP (anti)hero and the American actors, but all together it doesn't turn to be compact nor entertaining enough to hold my interest till the end. It's like one of those Ws you watch just so you can say to someone that you've actually watched them, you know, like here. A couple of good lines and one dressed Raquel Welch taking a shower in the middle of the desert aren't enough for me.


4/10


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: T.H. on May 31, 2009, 11:02:39 PM
I pretty much agree, tuco, but I'd bump it to a 6 because of Welch's sexiness.  It's essentially the same reason why I can happily sit through Bandolero.

I only saw this once a few years ago but I remember thinking the final shootout was entertaining enough, nothing special.

************SPOILER***********









and I agree with FC about Welch's characters death, it was a fun movie for the most part.

and the scene in which he lines up the men and shoots them to see how far the bullet will travel is pretty rad. I forgot about that until I saw it mentioned in this thread.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: stanton on June 01, 2009, 02:18:46 AM


and the scene in which he lines up the men and shoots them to see how far the bullet will travel is pretty rad. I forgot about that until I saw it mentioned in this thread.

Ain't that scene from Villa Rides and not from 100 Rifles?

For me 100 Rifles is a pretty good film. Astonishingly good directed and with no SW feel. Quite different from all the Revolution SWs.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: Dust Devil on June 01, 2009, 01:58:09 PM
I pretty much agree, tuco, but I'd bump it to a 6 because of Welch's sexiness.  It's essentially the same reason why I can happily sit through Bandolero.

Well, between men, I understand exactly what you're talking about, but the woman can't act jack, you have to admit it.



Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: T.H. on June 01, 2009, 02:11:27 PM
Well, between men, I understand exactly what you're talking about, but the woman can't act jack, you have to admit it.

I plead the fifth.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: Dust Devil on June 01, 2009, 02:17:07 PM
Hah, I rest my case. 8)


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: Groggy on June 01, 2009, 02:17:44 PM
I've seen at least parts of this movie, but I don't recall having ever sat through the whole thing.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: T.H. on June 01, 2009, 02:21:46 PM
Welch is a rotten actress, there's no denying that. Her monologues in Bandolero are hilarious (the writing doesn't help). paraphrasing: "This is the first time I have been back to this town since I left". No shit, Raquel, we, the audience, witnessed your exit and return to your hometown.


Ain't that scene from Villa Rides and not from 100 Rifles?

I haven't seen VR but I vividly remember seeing that sequence, so I would assume it was included in 100 Rifles, unless it was included in another SW. I haven't 100 Rifles in about 3 years, so my memory isn't exactly fresh.

any help?


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: Groggy on June 01, 2009, 02:39:03 PM
At least she's reasonably hot. That redeems a lot.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: cigar joe on June 01, 2009, 07:22:38 PM
Villa Rides has the bullet sequence for sure, don't remember if 100 Rifles has it also.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: Groggy on June 02, 2009, 07:01:38 AM
I remember a version of that scene turning up in And Starring Pancho Villa as Himself too. It must be either based on historical fact or just a common device for the era.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: cigar joe on June 02, 2009, 11:19:18 PM
Its a fact, Fiero did do it.  O0


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: uncknown on July 12, 2010, 03:38:39 PM
lame!

makes you realize what a great achievment DYS is (LIKE YOU DID NOT KNOW ALREADY :)   )


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 11, 2011, 01:27:14 AM
just saw 100 Rifles, on Fox Movie Channel. I liked the film very much.
1.  It is an obvious ripoff off of "The Wild Bunch" and "Duck, You Sucker."
2. It looks like the final shootout in the town is on the El Paso set from FAFDM?
3. I liked all the performances (but Raquel Welch's Mexican accent is terrible  ;))
4. good score by Jerry Goldsmith


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: stanton on April 11, 2011, 02:25:13 AM

1.  It is an obvious ripoff off of "The Wild Bunch" and "Duck, You Sucker."

Only that it was made roughly at the same time as TWB and 2 or 3 years before DYS.

And apart form being set in Mexico around the same time, these are 3 very different films.

What should make these 3 films so similar?


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 11, 2011, 02:28:50 AM
Only that it was made roughly at the same time as TWB and 2 or 3 years before DYS.

And apart form being set in Mexico around the same time, these are 3 very different films.

What should make these 3 films so similar?


whoops; careless of me not to look at the dates there.... Maybe it's the reverse. so many plot elements are similar


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: Groggy on April 11, 2011, 09:13:45 AM
The "Zapata Westerns" are uniform in a lot of ways. No need to claim one is a direct inspiration on any other.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: Groggy on June 20, 2011, 02:32:36 PM
Only that it was made roughly at the same time as TWB and 2 or 3 years before DYS.

And apart form being set in Mexico around the same time, these are 3 very different films.

What should make these 3 films so similar?


I doubt it was a direct influence on Leone or Peckinpah (or vice versa) but a lot of tropes carry over between the films: the ubiquitous firing squads, the German military advisors, the reluctant "revolutionary" leaders. Jim Brown even says "I ain't no general!" like Juan in DYS at one point.

Anyway the movie sucks. The last battle is decent and Raquel Welch is hot but otherwise it's irredeemable garbage.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 20, 2011, 03:25:54 PM
It was a bit more comedic than I like Westerns to be; but otherwise I really enjoyed it  O0


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: stanton on June 20, 2011, 03:59:05 PM
I enjoyed it too.

Well directed imo with some good action. I prefer 100 Rifles meanwhile to Will Penny. Both are 7/10


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: funkie junkie on July 09, 2011, 05:55:43 PM
Hi people
   can anyone be more specific on any locations in this movie??  gonna be going down to almeria again for 4th trip in september this year and looking to add a few more different move locations to my trip to look for...
    many thanks
         simon


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: cigar joe on July 10, 2011, 07:25:21 AM
The final battle town I don't remember being in any Leone Film, the same with the film "Villa Rides" there are quite a few different RR and town locations in it also particularly the arch bridge sequence, check it out also if you can get some leads.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: Groggy on July 10, 2011, 07:43:59 AM
I'm pretty sure they use the train station from OUATITW for one of the battle scenes (where Raquel takes her shower), but don't quote me on that. The sandy hills are pretty recognizable from FAFDM among other Spaghettis.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: titoli on September 03, 2013, 11:01:36 AM
I go with the 7\10 rating. More in pulpish style than dramatic one, it never tries to be deep, only action and characterization only limited to the Brown-Welch relationship (and very little of it). It can 't be more than pure fun but that is what usually is absent from many AW of the era. Some great stunts (some by Reynolds himself) and bare small boobs courtesy of Soledad Miranda. Jim Brown is wooden, Raquel Welch too but who cares?, Reynolds is surprisingly brilliant (probably because he has to compare with Brown) and Lamas is perfect as a villain as his german (with perfect british accent) advisor. Goldsmith's OST didn't impress me. In the dvd I bought there's a 7' footage from the super8 print but didn't understand what was there for as I couldn't spot great differences with the scenes of the official release.


Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: titoli on September 22, 2013, 10:59:10 AM
Here at 73:


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Title: Re: 100 Rifles (1969)
Post by: Spikeopath on March 17, 2017, 04:25:21 PM
I pretty much agree, tuco, but I'd bump it to a 6 because of Welch's sexiness.

Gries wanted her to do the shower scene naked, but she sadly refused. That scene is still sexy as heckfire though.