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Title: The Prowler (1951)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on May 21, 2017, 01:13:00 AM
The Prowler (1951)


Here are some previous posts on this movie from the Film Noir Discussion Thread:

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http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1822.msg142150#msg142150

dave jenkins:

Bad Cop Noir! I've seen it twice on the big screen and I'd be happy to own it on DVD (if it ever comes out). Van Hefflin makes a wonderfully lovable psycho.

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http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1822.msg145264#msg145264

dave jenkins: The DVD is here! http://www.amazon.com/Prowler-Van-Heflin/dp/B004C2523M/ref=pd_rhf_p_t_4

Fabulous extras! Talking head doc, an interview with a gushing Bernard Tavernier, a very interesting doc on noir film restorations (including some hints about titles now in the pipeline).  I watched the film last night with the Eddie Muller commentary turned on. That's entertainment!

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DJ also provided links to Glenn Erickson's review of the DVD http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s3425prow.html and Beaver's screencaps http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film5/blu-ray_reviews_66/the_prowler_blu-ray.htm

Title: Re: The Prowler (1951)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on May 21, 2017, 01:43:45 AM
This movie showed on TCM's Noir Alley on May 14, 2017


Host Eddie Muller's introduction – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRQbdWtzxAY&feature=youtu.be

Host Eddie Muller's closing comments – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7HXpEqdOC4&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The Prowler (1951)
Post by: dave jenkins on May 21, 2017, 05:28:36 AM
Wow, way to go Eddie! Thanks, Drink.
Title: Re: The Prowler (1951)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on May 21, 2017, 07:53:20 AM
Do you think he is right that the movie is about "one woman's unstoppable quest to have a baby"?
Title: Re: The Prowler (1951)
Post by: Jessica Rabbit on May 21, 2017, 08:04:46 AM
Thank you again, D & D, for the upload. Much appreciated.  O0
I have the DVD too, haven't seen it in about 2 years though. I'll have to rewatch before I write something about it. The DVD has a commentary by Muller as an extra.
Title: Re: The Prowler (1951)
Post by: Moorman on December 18, 2017, 06:44:24 PM
Van Hefllin in a film noir?
Title: Re: The Prowler (1951)
Post by: XhcnoirX on December 19, 2017, 02:02:36 AM
Van Hefllin in a film noir?

And he's really creepy here as well, great performance.

Some other noirs he also appeared in are The Strange Love Of Martha Ivers (1946), Possessed (1947), Act Of Violence (1949) and the color noir Black Widow (1954). Strange Love... & Possessed come highly recommended, they're both excellent IMHO.
Title: Re: The Prowler (1951)
Post by: cigar joe on December 19, 2017, 04:38:35 AM
And he's really creepy here as well, great performance.

Some other noirs he also appeared in are The Strange Love Of Martha Ivers (1946), Possessed (1947), Act Of Violence (1949) and the color noir Black Widow (1954). Strange Love... & Possessed come highly recommended, they're both excellent IMHO.
 

 O0 O0 O0
Title: Re: The Prowler (1951)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 20, 2017, 12:54:01 AM
It's a very good movie, but -- and I'm discussing the plot here, so as usual, don't read a movie's thread if you don't want spoilers -- IMO it could have even been better if we hadn't actually seen Heflin setting up the scene for a premeditated murder of Keyes's husband. It would have been better if we'd have just seen Heflin confront Keyes's husband who had the gun and shoot him, but we'd never be sure of what was going on in Heflin's mind. As it is, knowing Heflin is a plain and simple murderer, we don't have much sympathy for him. I don't think anyone is too sad when he dies at the end. But what if we had never been sure of how bad Heflin was? We'd wonder: Did he simply see Keyes's husband with a gun and mistake him for a prowler and shot him? Did he indeed set up the scene for a premeditated murder? Perhaps somewhere in middle, being opportunistic or perhaps a bit trigger-happy on the spur of the moment? It would make the character more ambiguous ... and we'd be unsure at the end whether or not he was really planning on killing the doctor once the baby is delivered. When Keyes flips out and accuses him of murder, we'd never know for sure whether or not she is correct. And when Heflin gets shot at the end, we'd never know for sure if we should be happy or sad ...
Title: Re: The Prowler (1951)
Post by: cigar joe on December 20, 2017, 03:43:52 AM
It's a very good movie, but -- and I'm discussing the plot here, so as usual, don't read a movie's thread if you don't want spoilers -- IMO it could have even been better if we hadn't actually seen Heflin setting up the scene for a premeditated murder of Keyes's husband. It would have been better if we'd have just seen Heflin confront Keyes's husband who had the gun and shoot him, but we'd never be sure of what was going on in Heflin's mind. As it is, knowing Heflin is a plain and simple murderer, we don't have much sympathy for him. I don't think anyone is too sad when he dies at the end. But what if we had never been sure of how bad Heflin was? We'd wonder: Did he simply see Keyes's husband with a gun and mistake him for a prowler and shot him? Did he indeed set up the scene for a premeditated murder? Perhaps somewhere in middle, being opportunistic or perhaps a bit trigger-happy on the spur of the moment? It would make the character more ambiguous ... and we'd be unsure at the end whether or not he was really planning on killing the doctor once the baby is delivered. When Keyes flips out and accuses him of murder, we'd never know for sure whether or not she is correct. And when Heflin gets shot at the end, we'd never know for sure if we should be happy or sad ...


It was probably the Hayes Code dictated that, no ambiguity, bad guy DIES!
Title: Re: The Prowler (1951)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 20, 2017, 08:37:30 AM
It was probably the Hayes Code dictated that, no ambiguity, bad guy DIES!

Of course Heflin would die! But point is we wouldn’t know whether or not he was really bad. Hays Code doesn’t say “ONLY bad guys can die.” Good guys can die also.
Title: Re: The Prowler (1951)
Post by: Moorman on December 21, 2017, 03:13:23 PM
Of course Heflin would die! But point is we wouldn’t know whether or not he was really bad. Hays Code doesn’t say “ONLY bad guys can die.” Good guys can die also.

Thanks for spoiling it...   SPOILER ALERT NEXT TIME, lol...
Title: Re: The Prowler (1951)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on December 21, 2017, 11:21:36 PM
Thanks for spoiling it...   SPOILER ALERT NEXT TIME, lol...

Don’t read a movie’s thread if you are afraid of spoilers. We Give spoiler alerts in the “Rate the last movie you saw” thread and other threada, but in a movie’s own threada, no spoiler alerts are  given;  we are free to discuss the plot and any other part of the movie. Nevertheless, I actually went the extra mile here and did give a spoiler alert. But Spoiler alerts are usually not given in a  movie’s own thread  :)
Title: Re: The Prowler (1951)
Post by: T.H. on January 15, 2018, 11:13:22 AM
If this isn't a masterpiece, it's close. I like it more and more on additional viewings. The first act of this movie is some of the best old hollywood had to offer.

I have the bluray and the quality varies. It's not tremendous, though there seems to be an uptick in the image quality once the movie heads to the ghost town. Considering what the state of the movie was in, the restoration had to be a success. With that said, I don't know if it's good enough to double dip if you already have the DVD. If you don't own this on any format, then I'd definitely recommend buying the bluray before it potentially goes out of stock.