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Title: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on October 16, 2004, 05:46:19 AM
I have just watched a  DVD of Sergio Sollima's Face to Face I'll give you a more detailed report in another post.

First impressions... A beautiful transfer, Gian Maria Volonte (Prof Brad Fletcher) just great, this is the film where he shows the best range of his acting abilities, turning from a mild mannered eastern professor into a outlaw mastermind. He is very reminicent of Indio, a very sane and intelligent Indio. Tomas Milian plays an ex-confereate half breed Beauregard Bennet who led a group of confederate raiders called "Benett's Raiders"

I'll watch it again later today and get back to you.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: grandpa_chum on October 16, 2004, 09:15:14 AM
sounds interesting... i can't get enough of gian maria volonte... i'll have to take a look... right now i even have the ramon rojo look going on... facial hair wise.... the man is great.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on October 17, 2004, 05:52:41 AM
Ok more detail on Face To Face:

This was a Japanese DVD, the english soundtrack has a few noticeable defects especially in the very beginning before the main titles. During the classroom sequence the audio is muffeled, after that you don't really notice the other spots when they do infrequently occur.  Volonte's dubber however is not the same as the voice of Indio in FAFDM. Milian I think since he grew up in Miami after leaving Cuba does his own dubbing at any rate the voice for him is the same for all of Sollima's films.
The video however is a beatiful transfer.

Sollima with "The Big Gundown" is still the closest film to Leone's style of the other SW directors. "Face to Face" is a departure, it is more celeberal, more serious, more long dialogue driven, not many one liners and no humor.

Leone was more about adventure "Face To Face"  is considered one of the political westerns, it has a moral tale to tell.

Half Mexican-ex Southern Confederate Raider now outlaw leader Beau Bennet (Milian) escapes capture with the unwitting assitance of Proffessor Brad Fletcher(Volonte')(who has left his position to recuperate from tuberculosis. Beau during his escape also uses Brad as a hostage. Beau is shot during this escape and "civilized" Brad nuses him back to health.

Hot on Brad's trail is a Pinkerton Detective, Charlie Siringo (William Berger), who is pretending to be an outlaw wanting and succeding in joining up with Bennet's old raiders.

Sollima like Leone uses the American West, while Leone used the old photographs and imagined his adventures, Sollima uses the old true western stories and weaves them into a plot. You can recognize elements of the James Gang, the Northfield Minnesota raid, the Wild Bunch, the Hole in the Wall/Robbers Roost hideouts, vigilanties, corrupt local town boses, etc. etc.

Again Volonte' transforms from a timid professor to a violent criminal mastermind, while Bennett becomes more human as each influences the other.  Berger does a good job as the undercover Pinkerton man Siringo, and is almost the third lead.

The tipped off bank job is a very well done set piece. The location shots are beautiful.
The film has a Morricone Score and Carlo Simi sets and costumes. Sollima's favortie western film. Not quite Leone but accetable.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: HEX on November 05, 2005, 11:26:09 PM
i here the FACE TO FACE jap dvd has a terrible english audio track. is that true? could some one elaborate more on this if it is true?
normally i wouldnt care but if i am going to shell out 50 bucks for a damn dvd with no extras i want to get my moneys worth.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on November 06, 2005, 02:14:12 AM
Hex,unfortunately the pre-opening credits sequence is so distorted,muffled AND inaudible you have to use the English subtitles.However this only continues for a couple of lines of dialogue after the credits and the audio is fine up until the last 20 minutes or so but here the slightly distorted dialogue and (great) music are nowhere near as bad,quite bearable in fact,and no subtitles are needed.If you already have a vhs copy i suggest you keeo hold of it,just for the opening classroom sequence.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on February 21, 2006, 05:55:48 AM
Just found this surfing Italian Web pages, here is an image of the real Charlie Angelo Siringo and the site it came from.

(http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/3952/siringo7cp.jpg)

http://www.scudit.net/mdwesternsiringo.htm




Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Leone Admirer on February 25, 2006, 08:18:21 AM
Sounds interesting, will have to check that out.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on February 25, 2006, 08:44:31 AM
Face to Face is essential, Leone Admirer, even with the flaws on the Japanese DVD.Are you any closer to getting the Mercenary?


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on February 25, 2006, 09:17:04 AM
I watched "Face To Face" in Italian w/ English subs...where Volonte's real voice is present...as he spoke Italian...while Milian, watching his lip movements , spoke English while filming...& is dubbed by someone else..it's clearly not his voice, & is just a little too deep a voice for him...but it was passable.
It looks like it was filmed w/ sound, rather than adding it all afterward.
This movie got an audible "Wow" from me as it faded out...& I would consider it to be not only a top non-Leone SW (The top, actually)...but stands on its own as a Western, period.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Leone Admirer on February 25, 2006, 10:41:28 AM
Face to Face is essential, Leone Admirer, even with the flaws on the Japanese DVD.Are you any closer to getting the Mercenary?

It's on my wish list at the moment. I hope to have it very soon  :)


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Craig on February 26, 2006, 11:31:21 PM
I just purchased "Face to Face" on DVD from this website: http://www.otevideo.com./Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=WES0042&Category_Code=

I'm hoping that it's decent quality, I can't wait to watch it--it sounds really cool.

Anyone have any experience with this retailer?


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: mezcal on February 28, 2006, 06:10:42 AM
is the above ote listing the only non-japanese version available as i'm also interested in picking this up
thank


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on February 28, 2006, 06:22:49 AM
is the above ote listing the only non-japanese version available as i'm also interested in picking this up
thank

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http://www.xploitedcinema.com/dvds/dvds.asp?title=2328

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http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=IMBS-1148


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Poggle on February 28, 2006, 02:59:54 PM
I'm going to order this DVD soon. If this is as good as people say, maybe I'll forgive Sollima for his contrived, pretentious Big Gundown :P Man, I hated that movie!

When the OTE DVD comes in, give a review of the quality, etc.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on February 28, 2006, 10:33:39 PM
I'm glad someone else on this board is not in awe of TBG. I think it begins well, but after they get to Mexico the film is a bust.

Poggle, Face to Face is better, I'm sure you'll enjoy it.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on March 01, 2006, 05:18:09 PM
derringdo, that's the best summation of the film I've ever read. You should post that to the IMDb!


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on March 01, 2006, 05:43:23 PM
Its not as good as some say Poggle so I guess its going to depend on each individual and their personal criteria, and though I respect and agree with dd (derringdo) with almost all opinions this one I don't (LVC's Beyond The Law is another disagreement I can think of ;D)

My biggest problems with FTF are the miscasting of Milian as Beauregard Bennet, he doesn't look like a Beauregard or a Bennet, he's dressed in buckskins and his hair is long & straight, Native American or Mexican yea, he looks more like a Cuchillo in this flick than in TBG & RMR. Volonte and Berger though kick ass, some of the other characters, of which there are way too many, though are not as finely honed

I also don't see the need for the whole sub plot concerning the faux plantation set somewhere in the west, that set just clashes with the whole "setting" of the film, its way out of place, imo. Its like Sollima tried to do too much.

The Robbers Roost, Hole In The Wall, was done well, the only marr there was the "snuffy smith" hillbilly hat that the character Rusty wore.

Finally the "run" across the desert dunes was a bit over the top, it reminded me of the 50 women dash across the desert in Blindman.

This film could have used a bit more editing.

Now TBG is on the other hand much tighter, its not all over the place its pretty much a chase, cat & mouse film. The main disappointment I had when first saw it as a kid was I couldn't believe LVC could be fooled by Cuchillo. Now of course I was expecting Mortimer, but now I realise Corbet is a different character a methodical lawman but also a more human and trusting person.

In the TBG restoration he actually has a scene where he shows genuine regret when he finds out he killed the wrong man who was dressed as Cuchillo, That little sequence changes profoundly the up to then Great Lawman Corbet, and I think its an importanat plot point, that may go un-noticed. After that he's not as quick to just gun Cuchillo down.  Unfortunately this sequence was trimmed from the English cut but it is in Italian with English subtitles.

The fake snake bite sequence was just just a new take on that old AW cliche, and it didn't bother me at all

But now I also realise that this is Tomas Milian's film, Lee Van Cleef is the star but Sollima's intention was to make Millian the first peon SW protagonist, so the way he was used is understandable.

As far as being in awe, your not going to get anybody quite on par with Leone. The films that come closest are TBG, DRAH, The Mercenary, Companero's, and Run Man Run.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Poggle on March 01, 2006, 07:42:16 PM
As far as being in awe, your not going to get anybody quite on par with Leone. The films that come closest are TBG, DRAH, The Mercenary, Companero's, and Run Man Run.

*Walks up to your list, SW style, and crosses out TBG*

TBG, DRAH, The Mercenary, Companero's, and Run Man Run

The Big Gundown my ass!


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on March 01, 2006, 10:09:34 PM
lol, well we'll see what you think of FTF.

Oh I shouls add "A Bullet for the General" to that list.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on March 02, 2006, 06:04:53 AM
My biggest problems with FTF are the miscasting of Milian as Beauregard Bennet, he doesn't look like a Beauregard or a Bennet, he's dressed in buckskins and his hair is long & straight, Native American or Mexican yea, he looks more like a Cuchillo in this flick than in TBG & RMR.
I agree that Milian's image may not quite fit the part but personally i don't see this to be to the detriment of the film and i think it would be very difficult to deny the strength of his performance which i feel is equal to Volonte's,one of his best in fact.The way he handles the transformation of the vicious  and ruthless bandit to a man with a conscience is just brilliant.
I'm with you all the way with The Big Gundown though.Overated? possibly but with LVC,Milian,Morricone,great storyline and direction,excellent cinematography, its place in anyones top ten sw's is justified.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on March 02, 2006, 09:33:39 PM
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And btw, Joe, I think you're being very slightly unfair to Corbett.  The whole point of the sequence in Colorado is that he's willing to play fair with his quarry...by his definition of fair.  He spares the one guy who surrenders, and only guns him down when the kid doublecrosses him, and he seems bummed out about having killed "Cuchillo" even when he thinks it's Cuchillo (which is consistent with his later claim to have suspected there was more to the mystery all along: Cuchillo was either a prime suspect or a witness being framed, either way, a detective interested in the case would want to go after him).  The wrong man angle may churn up some additional guilt, doubt and caution, but I see it as adding to what is already there.

dd, I agree with everything you're saying, how was I unfair to Corbet? I think what the wrong man episode shows is maybe Cuchillo's slipperyness, tricks and compounding mockery of Corbet got to him (Corbert) and it may have caused him to act out of character gunning down the lookalike peon, shooting first and asking questions later so to speak.

But Ol' Gulick hanging in the tree isn't exactly being easy on his (albeit dead) quarry, we assume Corbet killed him one way or another & then went to all the trouble of hanging a dead man up in a tree. He could have easily hid him behind a rock or a log.

As to RMR, I suppose I should refine my statement of RMR being closest to Leone, a bit,  it's a fun film, with some great cinematography, at the beginning of the comedy phase of SW's, no heavy "Zapata" politics, more like Zapata Lite, not the later stupid slapstick parodys but closest to Leone I think in the use of humor.
It reminded me of both GBU and some of the comedy AW's in that respect, the cattiness between Linda Veras and Chelo Alonzo and their later hair pulling contest and Cuchillos smug protestations were quite amusing to this member of male gender.  8)


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on March 04, 2006, 07:37:09 AM
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Or, if that seems a little too devious for straight-line-mind Corbett, I suppose he could've just been trying to keep scavengers from getting to the corpse before he could turn it in for the bounty.


I like your way of thinking, lol. I guess by that logic he would have had to really decorate that tree and string up the rest of them and bring back an extra horse or two to carry them all out.  ;D


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on March 04, 2006, 07:18:38 PM
Colorado to Texas an awful long way to go with corpses. I also don't think one horse could sustain the weight of four dead bodies for very long.  8)


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Poggle on March 08, 2006, 01:18:19 PM
Just saw Face to Face.

I enjoyed it, especially Sollima's style this time around, though the Japanese DVD is very odd. Sometimes the subtitles could have two sentences and they're up just long enough to read the first one and they're off in a second. I had to keep rewinding to see what they said ;D

Because of that I kind of got confused in some areas. I think the film moves very fast, and although I think the two hour running time was perfect, I found some of it hard to understand with all of the name throwing and ideas thrown around, because by the next scene you have to catch up with everything. By a second viewing I'll understand the characters more, but I did enjoy it 8)

I actually thought it was closer to Leone's style than TBG. The characters and the plot seemed more sophisticated than most SW's.

Bennet's introduction was one of the greatest I've seen in any non-Leone SW.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on March 09, 2006, 03:26:00 AM
I actually thought it was closer to Leone's style than TBG. The characters and the plot seemed more sophisticated than most SW's.
Too talky for a Leone western-i'm amazed at the amount of stick Big Gundown gets when there are dozens of real overated stinkers(e.g. Blindman) and for my money i'd say it's various elements make it  very close in style and  quality to the Dollars trilogy.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on March 09, 2006, 05:30:08 AM
In Face To Face, Sollima was trying to do way too much, its like he tried to condence the whole history of the western badman into one film. Its like he combined the stories of the Jesse James Gang and the Wild Bunch into one film, too many characters, too many short short sub plots, yea and too talky. If it had just stayed more on the Fletcher-Benett transposition added more Berger and way less "hole in the wall" bandit hideaway subplots, and condenced the dialog a bit with less expositions and used more music and facial expresions to show the emotions, maybe more it would be more like Leone.

Run Man Run is more like it, more visual more Leone like humor.

Blindman is just inspired lunacy you check your rationality out when you stick in the disc.  ;D


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on March 10, 2006, 05:49:50 AM
Blindman is just inspired lunacy you check your rationality out when you stick in the disc. 
Monty Python is my idea of inspired lunacy!!
My Blindman DVD is only the cut version but even the 50 scantily clad beauties aren't enough to save this film from a total yawn.This SW parody doesn't work for me-gimme the Trinity films anyday!- and i've been put off getting any further movies starring Tony Anthony considering this is meant to be his best.Sorry but i don't see the humour in a bumbling & mumbling masochistic blind man continuously getting the ****** kicked out of him and the fact he keeps on prevailing is just too prepostorous and unrealistic even for me-and the whole film just drags!!
Another SW i keep hearing people having their arms twisted to buy is Day Of Anger.For me this film just lacks any atmosphere  which i guess maybe down to firstly the budget because apart from LVC,Gemma and the bad guys theres no-one else around in this ghost town,and secondly that dreary slow repetative guitar lick being played over and over and i hate the other more jazz-tinged accompaniment-why oh why did Valerii reuse this dull score in Massacre at Fort Holman?
The storyline and action pieces are ok but the only reason this gets repeated viewings is LVC who holds the whole film together.Its a great shame that Valerii didn't do a Corbucci and allow LVC to gundown Gemma in the ending which instead has Gemma and some misfit walking off hand in hand like some gay couple.
Big Gundown gets a regular screening in my household,the missus loves the Cuchillo character in both this and Run Man Run but for some reason i'm always sitting by myself for Face To Face.Maybe us guys are better with the more thought provoking stuff!!!


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on March 10, 2006, 06:53:45 AM
I agree on Day Of Anger the best part in the film is the Bowie sequence.

I feel just the opposite on Trinity, slapstick humor  :P. lol.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on March 10, 2006, 05:51:17 PM
dd you do have a thing about TBG, lol.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on March 11, 2006, 07:28:59 AM
Day of Anger is OK, not nearly as bad you two are making out.  At least the action scenes don't suck like TBG's do.   :P

Personally (excepting GBU and FAFDM) the last 20 minutes or so of Big Gundown from the point where Brokston & Co ride out to pursue Cuchillo is as good as these sw's get especially the Morricone aided chase through the cornfields and theres nothing in Day Of Anger to match the class of the final two duels.
Apart from this my other favourites include the stunning duel with LVC and the 3 bank robbers-again virtually unrivalled for an opeing scene(in DOA doesn't it start with Gemma shovelling shit or something?) and the whole episode with the widow(Nieves Navarro is great and i also love her in Return of Ringo)is brilliant.
It  seems unjustly fashionable to slag off Big Gundown but i'm sure this still features in the majority of members favourites.Maybe we should do a Big Gundown versus Day Of Anger poll?


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on March 11, 2006, 01:31:56 PM
a poll sounds good.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on March 12, 2006, 03:08:32 AM
OK i'll do a poll.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 19, 2006, 06:12:01 PM
found this finally. I will write a review soon.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on April 19, 2006, 06:20:22 PM
Face To Face would be in my top 10 anyday!
Although not havng quite the correct complexion Milian put in a career best sw performance!


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 19, 2006, 09:59:54 PM
i'm amazed at the amount of stick Big Gundown gets when there are dozens of real overated stinkers(e.g. Blindman)


Not saying that now are we? after you viewed my uncut Blindman, its all good eh? ;D


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 19, 2006, 10:59:37 PM
review of "Face to Face".


After hearing all the hype around this film for years now, it had a lot to live up too. Thankfully it lived up to the hype. This is easily Sollima's best western(I dont think much of the other two...) in my eyes. However it is not perfect and has many faults.

I will now commence to write a rather negative reveiw of the film but dont let that fool you, I liked it very much. Its easily in the top 15 catergory of spaghetti westerns that I have seen...

Brad Fletcher(Volonte) is a school teacher who has taken a vacation(holiday) to Texas for health reasons. He gets kidnapped by a ruthless, wounded cut throat Bearegard Bennet(Milian)  and is taken to a nearby hideout in the forest(how is there a forest in the middle of the desert is beyond my comprehension). Once in the forest Brad helps extract a bullet from Bennet's body. Bennet is grateful to the proffessor(I guess) and teaches him to hunt for rabbit. Fletcher holds a gun for the first time in this scene and mentions how impowering it is to hold one. Later Bennet takes Brad to a nearby town so he can catch a train back home to Boston. Once at the town a local buisness man enlist the help of Bennet to kill the town sheriff, who is ruling the town with fear, A gunfight ensues. The scene, though well staged, doesnt bring anything new to the story nor does it further the plot and it feels like a poor excuse to have an action sequence(however it is well doen and I am not complaining). Anyway fletcher kills his first man during the gunfight(it happens much to soon) and ends up ditching the train ride to the east and joins Bennet on his quest to round up his old gang. Eventually Bennet becomes more and more gentle because of Fletcher and Fletcher has become a murderous psycho due too Bennet's behavoir. Fletcher takes over the gang and Bennet joins Charlie Siringo, a government agent, to stop Fletcher and his gang of cut-throats.


The Problems...


1.Tomas Milian plays an ex-confederate army southerner...AIN'T BUYIN IT FOLKS. Though he does an excellent job, Milian is hopelessly mis-cast here. He looks nothing like a white southerner and if he was supposed to play a "Half breed" he still would have gotten racist remarks from his all white ex-confederate gang members. In fact, they probably would have not allowed him to join in the first place.

2.Brad Fletcher's turn from timid school teacher to ruthless outlaw is a bit half assed and should have been fleshed out a bit more. This film would have greatly improved if the running time were about twenty minutes longer, as long as the extra running time was to be used to show more aspects of Fletcher and bennets transformation.

3. Too many damn characters!!! This isnt usually a bad thing, but the extra characters are never developed into anything more than canon fodder. AT one point the sexy Linda Veras pops up as Fletcher's new woman (the other was killed) towards the very end. She just seems to come out of nowhere and is killed by vigilantes immediatly after she is introduced. Are we supposed to feel something for this woman we know nothing  about? That is the overall indication. Plus The movie should concentrate more on the two main characters rather than introducing other charcaters.

4.The title of the film, "Face to Face", is very misleading. I expected a huge showdown between Bennet and Flecther at the very end. This never takes place...

SPOILER

Bennet shoots Fletcher in the back just before the SOB can kill Siringo.

END OF SPOILER

5. Morricone's score is the most disappointing element of the film. It ranges from bad to mediocre. Its unimaginative(this is very unlike Morricone). It is easily the WORST morricone soundtrack I have heard to a spaghetti western.
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also It would have been nice to see Lee Van Cleef in the role of Charlie Siringo. Dont get me wrong, Berger does a damn fine job(in fact it is his best role in a spag) but it would have been nice to see Van Cleef as the government agent.



Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on April 20, 2006, 06:58:37 AM

Not saying that now are we? after you viewed my uncut Blindman, its all good eh? ;D
I'm not ashamed or too proud to alter my opinions ::)


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on April 20, 2006, 07:02:42 AM
review of "Face to Face".


After hearing all the hype around this film for years now, it had a lot to live up too. Thankfully it lived up to the hype. This is easily Sollima's best western(I dont think much of the other two...) in my eyes.
Any relation to Derringdo by any chance? ;D
Morricones soundtrack is one of the most moving scores of his i've heard :)
Its a great real thought provoking one-off sw!


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on April 20, 2006, 07:04:21 AM
I'm not ashamed or too proud to alter my opinions ::)
Anyway you changed your mind with Ace High ;)


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 20, 2006, 09:23:47 AM
Any relation to Derringdo by any chance? ;D



didnt Derringdo like this movie?


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 20, 2006, 10:33:48 AM

Morricones soundtrack is one of the most moving scores of his i've heard :)
Its a great real thought provoking one-off sw!


The movie itself is thought provoking. The soundtrack is not.

my two cents.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on April 20, 2006, 09:21:17 PM
yea dd liked it.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 20, 2006, 09:23:17 PM
did you agree with my review Joe?


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on April 20, 2006, 09:29:14 PM
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did you agree with my review Joe

Yea practically word for word, Milian very miscast.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 20, 2006, 09:33:53 PM
Yea practically word for word, Milian very miscast.


you had the same feelings about the soundtrack?

and what of the mis-leading title?


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on April 20, 2006, 10:01:46 PM
sound track is forgetable, I wasn't bothered by the title, and I thought there were way to many characters and too much story crammed into the film, too.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 20, 2006, 10:04:07 PM
sound track is forgetable,


thank you.

Morricone didnt even seem like he tried here.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on April 21, 2006, 02:42:16 AM
Certainly the main theme is particularly interesting because its in three parts starting off with that great searing church organ,then progressing onto the acoustic guitar riffing that is more vicious than Death Rides A Horse and finally we get the wonderful choir coming in at the end.The way this piece of music combines with the title sequence is very effective.
Like alot of composers each  Morricone score bears hallmarks of what he did before and my only real criticism of the FTF score is its lack of variety-but  with what there is both Morricone and Sollima achieve that perfect fusion of sound and version similar to what Morricone did with Leone.The scene in the mountains where Bennets band lasso the horse accompanied by the gentler rendition of the FTF theme moves me in such a way to draw comparisons in the way i feel when Jill McBain arrives on the train in OUATITW to the accompaniment of Jills Theme.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on April 21, 2006, 02:43:55 AM
Yea practically word for word, Milian very miscast.
Perhaps,but based on that performance i wouldn't want to see anyone else in the part?It was that great :)


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on April 21, 2006, 02:49:07 AM
True there wasn't any big duel between Brad and Beau but throughout the movie there is an underlying "face to face" conflict of ideologies where each character gradually adopts the other-can't think of another movie where this  occured-so i like the title!


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on April 21, 2006, 03:31:17 AM
2.Brad Fletcher's turn from timid school teacher to ruthless outlaw is a bit half assed and should have been fleshed out a bit more. This film would have greatly improved if the running time were about twenty minutes longer, as long as the extra running time was to be used to show more aspects of Fletcher and bennets transformation.
I got that impression after first seeing the cut 90 minutes version but i feel both transformations were pretty gradual and well handled!


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on April 21, 2006, 03:34:11 AM
3. Too many damn characters!!! .
None more so than Leones best-for instance in FAFDM we know every name of Indios gang and their personalities!


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 21, 2006, 10:44:04 AM
None more so than Leones best-for instance in FAFDM we know every name of Indios gang and their personalities!

its handled well there. Here it is not.
No arguement about it.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 21, 2006, 10:46:02 AM
the gentler rendition of the FTF theme moves me in such a way to draw comparisons in the way i feel when Jill McBain arrives on the train in OUATITW to the accompaniment of Jills Theme.


blaspehemy, BURN HIM! ;D


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 02:29:22 AM

blaspehemy, BURN HIM! ;D
Just you be careful with that icon!!!


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on April 22, 2006, 02:30:24 AM
its handled well there. Here it is not.
No arguement about it.
We'll have to agree to differ i'm afraid! ;D


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 22, 2006, 11:54:32 AM
We'll have to agree to differ i'm afraid! ;D

afraid so ;)


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: titoli on July 28, 2006, 01:43:42 PM
Hadn't see this until today. I've read the opinions of the contributors and, generally, I agree with most.
Still, I think that it is uncorrect to establish a comparison with TBG; I think rather it would have to be with A Bullet for the General. Which turns out to be a better film because the director has more clear ideas about characters and the movie. Still this is a very good movie. MIlian has been criticized for not fitting the character, rightly so. But in the end I don't care because he's so good that watching him interplay with Volonté is a pleasure: if only Kinsky too was there!
The movie gets better figuratively as it proceeds, almost as Sollima was learning the trade day by day. The photography too.
This is a movie that I would like to see remade, honing down those inconsequences of a screenplay sometimes brilliant but at times superficial or naive. Any names for the leads?   
Morricone's lead theme is good, though not memorable (i.e., it is memorable because is in this movie). Some parts of the score were thought and written, probably, in the time it takes to play them.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 28, 2006, 01:56:36 PM

This is a movie that I would like to see remade, honing down those inconsequences of a screenplay sometimes brilliant but at times superficial or naive. Any names for the leads?   



Jack Nicholson in Volonte's role (if only he were fifteen years younger  :-\  ).


I havent the foggiest for who should play Milian's role.



Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on July 28, 2006, 05:08:39 PM
Quote
Any names for the leads?   


Boy I'll have to think about this.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 28, 2006, 05:09:55 PM


Boy I'll have to think about this.

no shout out for Nicholson as Fletcher?

maybe during the early 80's...


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on July 28, 2006, 05:12:02 PM
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no shout out for Nicholson as Fletcher?
He is a bit old....
 8)


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 28, 2006, 05:19:12 PM
He is a bit old....
 8)

but just to strecth reality...

80's Nicholson?

can you see that?

I think he would would pull of a great "switchero" from mild mannered Flethcer to blood thirsty insane Flecther.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on July 28, 2006, 07:36:24 PM
yea he could do that. 8)


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on August 19, 2006, 06:38:00 AM
This is a transcript of the opening scene of "Face To Face"...from the English subtitled translation of the Italian dialogue.....I hope it helps those who have struggled with the English dub..which I hear is somewhat difficult to understand.........& helps to clarify some of the actions taken...& choices made by Brad Fletcher...in a stunning portrayal by the great Volonte.
========================================

Fletcher standing before his class...& walking around the room as he speaks

I've an announcement to make
and I find it very painful.
I'm unable to continue
this history course.

But as you perhaps know-
-it's not a matter of my own volition.

However, the study of history can be
suspended and resumed at any point.

Because...
-though all men must die in time...
-other men will make history live.
And each man can choose
his own part in history.
We've been forced to choose.
When the war between the States
declared that we were either...
Union loyalists or Confederate rebels.

You are twenty years old.
You will have to choose, many times-
-between just and unjust,
truth and untruth.
And always the answer is
only to be found-
-within you.

And if this small bit of knowledge
can help you in the future-
-then I'm truly privileged...
for my part in history-
-will not have been useless.

The class is dismissed. Thank you.

The Dean & Miss Elizabeth enter the room

Dean: My dear Professor Fletcher. Miss Wilkins
I and I look forward to your return.

Fletcher: I hope you're not disappointed.

Dean: Come, come, Fletcher.
You're not as sick as all that.
Tomorrow you'll be far away from this
horrible climate. You'll feel differently.

I feel sure your lungs will improve
as soon as you put your foot in Texas.
And you'll come back here
to Boston completely recovered.

Fletcher: Yes sir, no doubt.

Dean: You talk as though you don't care.
And I must say, given your intelligence,
-you should have gone far,
a lot farther than you have.

Fletcher: But I'm not complaining.

Dean: That's just the trouble.
You have no ambition.
That's why you've never been promoted.

In this country there are no limits
for the man who is willing to fight.

You've never struggled against
the position fate has put you in.
But that is what you must do now,
more than ever.

Well, I'm late for class.
Have a good trip.

Fletcher: Goodbye, Dean.

The Dean scurries out..leaving Miss Elizabeth & Fletcher alone in the room...(it's obvious that there's an  attraction between the two...never explored nor acted upon)

Fletcher: Well, Miss Elizabeth...
He's probably right about me, you know.

Miss Elizabeth: Well, I don't believe him. Professor.

Fletcher: That's good of you, Elizabeth.

The two exchange 'Arrividercis' & Miss Elizabeth walks out


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on August 19, 2006, 07:01:32 AM
Thanks BA i'm just gonna borrow some of this dialogue for Firecrackers "obscure sw's" thread.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on September 02, 2006, 11:55:53 AM
Here's the opening scene...as a clip from the movie.
I wonder how different the English dub is? Perhaps those who have seen the movie in English, ...may..or may not,,notice anythiing. Anyway..it's also an opportunity to hear the actual Volonte's speaking voice...please enjoy,

---> Opening scene of "Faccia a Faccia" (http://media.putfile.com/Faccia) <---


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: titoli on September 02, 2006, 06:02:09 PM
Is there any way one can see it without the clip getting stuck every 3 seconds?


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on May 25, 2007, 05:14:03 AM
Leone Admirer's review from his SW Virgins Guide:-

Face To Face

I Very much enjoyed this spaghetti western which had excellent direction by Sollima coupled with fantastic performances by Milian and Volante.
     Volante plays Professor Brad Fletcher, a meek teacher from Boston who moves to the West for his health. Whilst there he helps and then becomes a captive of Solomon 'Beauregard' Bennet (Milian), a bandit who is out to recreate the Bennet Bandits gang. Milian and Fletcher begin to respect each other and become friends. Soon Fletcher is seduced by the benefits of a life of crime.
      The excellent portayal of Fletcher by Volante makes his degradation from shy and non-violent teacher to a cold, ruthless and bloodthirsty vilain all the more believeable. The idea that power and money corrupts has been explored in many different forms in many forms, not least cinema and its an interesting tale to be told. Gangster films often have this theme with films like Public Enemy in which the off the rails child becomes more bloody thirsty and calculated the more power he gets. But Volante's Fletcher is quite different to the iconic gangster of Cagney's Tom Powers. At first Fletcher does not give any indications that he is going to be corrupted. Then through out the film, Fletcher begins to interact with powerful people and objects (for instance guns in which he is shown to have an immediate mastery of them) which show signs of a stronger and nastier characer lurking underneath the nervous teacher. A rape is the real turning stone in the characters change to hardened gang leader and whislt the rape is not shown in graphic detail, well at least not in the print I saw, audience sympathy for the character goes out of the window. An interesting point to look at though is Fletcher begins to question how he had wasted his life and one wanders whether it was better to live a little bit as a man of action or live a life time as a nervous, socially awkard teacher. Of course Fletcher can't handle the power but he doesn't seem to regret any of it at the end of the film, rather like a Jarot Cody.
    Milians portrayal of Bennet is rather like the character Curchilo which he plays in the Big Gundown and Run Man Run. He is a rather likable feller from the begining and his interactions with the knowledgable Fletcher does rub off on him and he feels reluctant to drag his friend into anything unsavoury.  The friendship between the two is apparent from when the two first meet with each saving each others life, and its quite touching throughout the affection they seem to hold for each other.
      Sollima's direction is excellent. As ever he seems to be able to create intresting frames and canvases as we see out protagonists and antagonists travel through out the deserts and rocky plains that in this film represents Texas. His pacing is tight and at times the film seems to rocket along between actions sequences but the writing by Donati and Sollima allows for some intesting character exchanges which allows us to emphasise and sympathise with the leads. Music by Morricone was intersting and whilst not one of his catchiest of tunes was more then fitting for the tone and look of the film.
    My experiences with Sollima westerns at the moment seem to be very positive. I have a feeling most spaghetti fans might have experienced this film already but to those who haven't I definatly recomend it for its excellent directions, fascinating characters and stirling acting.



Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on May 26, 2007, 12:49:52 PM
Arizona Colts review:-

FACE TO FACE- 1967-Sergio Sollima’s finest western film about a civilized school teacher (Gian Maria Volonte) who falls in with an uncivilized bandit leader (Tomas Milian). The two ultimately change places with the teacher becoming even more uncultured than Milian’s character ever was. William Berger is a government agent sent to bring in Milian. There is much action but also a lot of commentary on the animalistic nature of man and how easily it is for man’s dark nature to surface. Milian’s character is sound enough to ponder his own sensibilities once the teacher has transformed into a barbarian himself. Sollima only did three westerns and it’s a shame he didn’t do more.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Jill on July 07, 2007, 02:06:55 PM
Want to see this... I hope I will, and then I'lll write an overview too.  ;)


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on July 07, 2007, 02:42:32 PM
AC and LA: Man, you guys; reviews of Faccia a Faccia, and no mention of Linda Veras ? (and LA's review is long, too!) Gentlemen, do not delay; order your Viagra NOW!


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 07, 2007, 02:43:19 PM
AC and LA: Man, you guys; reviews of Faccia a Faccia, and no mention of Linda Veras ? (and LA's review is long, too!) Gentlemen, do not delay; order your Viagra NOW!

 
I believe I was the first (and last) to mention her on my review earlier in the thread.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on July 07, 2007, 02:49:53 PM
No, I was the last (by definition). But you are absolved. I'm worried about those other two, though....


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Jill on July 08, 2007, 05:21:26 AM
So there is a woman, too? Whose mistress?
When there are two friends and only one woman... we know what happens. (See DYS.)


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on July 08, 2007, 09:27:01 AM
That is NOT what happens in DYS.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Jill on July 08, 2007, 01:51:44 PM
I think not the same as in DYS, only: that will lead to a sad ending...  :'(

I saw that video of the beginning. WOW! Volonté in robes...  :P He would be an excellent Remus Lupin!


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 08, 2007, 04:29:52 PM
This is an EXCELLENT sw.

Fantastic performances by Volonte and Milian.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on July 08, 2007, 10:01:14 PM
This is an EXCELLENT sw.

No sh*t!

Did I burn this for you?  I can't remember.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 08, 2007, 10:02:18 PM
Did I burn this for you?  I can't remember.

Yes, indeed you did.


And I sent you Blindman, GBU soundtrack, and my movie.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on July 08, 2007, 10:04:56 PM
Yes, indeed you did.


And I sent you Blindman, GBU soundtrack, and my movie.

Haha, looks like you kinda got the crummy end of the stick.  Is that all I sent you?


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 08, 2007, 10:07:07 PM
Haha, looks like you kinda got the crummy end of the stick.  Is that all I sent you?

I think.


Oh and the DYS soundtrack. That makes up for everything.   O0


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on July 08, 2007, 10:09:00 PM



Oh and the DYS soundtrack. That makes up for everything.   O0

Morricone's work amazes me to no end... so does Leone's for that matter.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 08, 2007, 10:11:03 PM
You know who amazes me?









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Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on July 08, 2007, 10:12:26 PM
(http://www.stromgitarren.net/mccartney/Jimi_Hendrix_02.jpg)


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on July 08, 2007, 10:14:18 PM
(http://www.naxos.com/images/artists/Reinhardt_Django.jpg)


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 08, 2007, 10:14:22 PM
(http://www.popmatters.com/images/music/lynyrd-skynyrd-061013.jpg)




Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 08, 2007, 10:14:49 PM
(http://www.naxos.com/images/artists/Reinhardt_Django.jpg)

Oh yeah, he was the Jazz musician right?


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on July 08, 2007, 10:16:34 PM
Oh yeah, he was the Jazz musician right?

I would capitalize the word "the".  He was THE Jazz guitarist.  Django Reinhardt.

Note the ring finger and pinky on his fingering hand.  They're always shriveled up like that.. they were paralyzed in a fire.  He can only use those two on the very top string for some chords.  He played all lead parts with just the other two.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on July 08, 2007, 10:17:24 PM
(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/4/4e/Wes_Montgomery_Guitar_on_the_Go.jpg)

There seems to be some kind of theme with my photos so far...


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on July 08, 2007, 10:19:27 PM
Not a picture of the band.... but who cares!




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Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 08, 2007, 10:24:11 PM


 :o


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on July 08, 2007, 10:24:54 PM
Yes, my uncle bought me that poster.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on July 08, 2007, 10:28:32 PM
(http://www.govindagallery.com/pages/exhibitions/waterman/hurt_and_james.jpg)


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on July 08, 2007, 10:29:43 PM
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Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on July 08, 2007, 11:14:16 PM
Well guys, sorry I got off-topic.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Jill on August 27, 2007, 01:29:16 PM
Could someone burn it for me? I think someone who lives in Europe, America is too far...  ::)


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on August 27, 2007, 01:30:13 PM
IT IS AMAZING.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 27, 2007, 01:35:05 PM
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Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Groggy on September 19, 2009, 10:53:08 AM
Da Grog Blog, he say:

Quote
Last Monday, I posited Sergio Sollima's The Big Gundown (1966) as the best Spaghetti Western not directed by Sergio Leone. Just over a week later, Sollima trumps his own work with his second Western. In its thematic depth and rich characterization, Face to Face is on a whole other level from pretty much every Spaghetti, with a genuinely disquieting subject matter and a striking lead performance.

New England Professor Brad Fletcher (Gian Maria Volonte) embarks to Texas to recuperate from tuberculosis. Shortly after his arrival, Fletcher is kidnapped by "Beauregard" Bennett (Tomas Milan), a much-feared bandit. Fletcher is initially horrified by Bennett's violent amorality, but soon finds himself seduced by it and actively joins Bennett's gang. The balance of power quickly shifts to Fletcher, who balances his intelligence with newfound bloodlust and takes control of the gang. Further complications ensue when undercover Pinkerton agent Charlie Siringo (William Berger) joins the gang, causing a bank heist to turn into a bloodbath. Siringo and the powers-that-be recruit a huge posse to destroy Fletcher, who has set himself up as a warlord in a small local town - while Bennett arrives to settle his own account with Fletcher.

Sollima explores the affects and appeal of violence in a strikingly contemporary way. He shows Fletcher as an intellectual both fascinated and repulsed by Beauregard's amorality; a weak man with literally nothing to live for, suddenly he has an opportunity to be alive - but his own intellect warps into a private fascism, where killing, mayhem and power are their own reward. The film stages a community square dance a la Ford and brutally subverts it; it is here that Fletcher's nascent fascism begins to emerge, and where later, drunk with power, he will effectively create his own fiefdom, which he will drive to destruction. Beauregard's transformation to a civilized, moral man is a bit predictable (any chance a film character will ever change without a foil?) but equally convincing. Some of the movie's speeches on are a bit too on the nose, but for the most part the movie makes its points with a subtlety and thoughtfulness beyond most any other Spaghetti (and with a fine screenplay by Sollima and Sergio Donati, mercifully lacking the usual dubbing-induced awkwardness). While Corbucci uses politics for atmosphere and setting, Sollima uses it to make a point - and he makes it very well indeed.

There are many genuinely beautiful shots to rival Leone's work throughout the film; Sollima shows a beautiful eye, with gorgeous camera work capturing the beauty of the Almerian desert. The film is replete with brilliant set pieces: the recruiting of the posse, deliberately shot to resemble a Nazi rally, the botched bank heist, the near-surreal final showdown. Morricone again scores, with a fairly subdued soundtrack that makes great use of Edda dell'Orso's gorgeous soprano voice (used to her fullest in Morricone's Once Upon a Time in the West score).

Gian Maria Volonte (of Leone's Dollars films) gives a towering lead performance. He portrays Fletcher's chilling transformation from meek intellectual to bloodthirsty killer perfectly without overplaying the part. Tomas Milian gives a subdued, thoughtful performance miles away from his over-the-top clowning in The Big Gundown, and Spaghetti veteran William Berger (Sabata) is quite good as the third-wheel Siringo, given enough screen time to register as a character rather than a plot device.

Face to Face is something else entirely in the Spaghetti subgenre; it's pretty close to a masterpiece. I hope Sollima's other efforts are as good as these two; he may then establish himself as Leone's legitimate rival.

http://nothingiswrittenfilm.blogspot.com/2009/09/spaghetti-western-double-shot.html (http://nothingiswrittenfilm.blogspot.com/2009/09/spaghetti-western-double-shot.html)


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Novecento on September 19, 2009, 01:03:28 PM
Last Monday, I posited Sergio Sollima's The Big Gundown (1966) as the best Spaghetti Western not directed by Sergio Leone

Can't say I agree with that

Just over a week later, Sollima trumps his own work with his second Western.

Or that, although I must be the only person I know who rates Face to Face as the worst of the trilogy  :-\

The film is replete with brilliant set pieces... the botched bank heist, the near-surreal final showdown

I can agree with those two at least!


By the way did you watch it with English audio? The English track on my Japanese disc sounds like someone submerged the film underwater at the beginning :(


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Groggy on September 19, 2009, 01:17:24 PM
I watched it on YouTube (in English, yes) and the sound quality was indeed awful. I could barely hear it with earbuds in.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Novecento on September 19, 2009, 04:33:38 PM

My favorite of Sollima's but not without its flaws.
Milian is never shown to be the "ruthless killer" we're told he is, thus making the trade off between him and Volonte nowhere near as convincing as we're led to believe.
A similar flaw plagues another Milian western (The Ugly Ones)

Milian agrees with me on both.

In Milian's words:

 "No. I didn't like [Face to Face] because it was very difficult to work with Volonte. Besides my character, who was supposed to be very violent before the movie starts, begins the movie when he's wounded. So Volonte's character had an arc and mine becomes flat. Mine starts already wounded so it became almost passive for the rest of the film. They just said I was a very famous bandit etc etc, but you never see the bandit. That's why I don't love the movie"


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on September 19, 2009, 05:37:53 PM
Where is the Milian quote from?


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Groggy on September 19, 2009, 05:54:51 PM
Milian calling another actor hard to work with? Isn't he the one convinced he's the greatest thespian since Edwin Booth? :D


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Novecento on September 20, 2009, 08:16:39 AM
Where is the Milian quote from?

 Westerns... all'italiana #25 (http://www.spaghetti-western.net/index.php/Westerns..._All%27Italiana!)


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on September 20, 2009, 12:24:04 PM
thanks


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on October 20, 2010, 07:15:02 AM
Here is the product description posted at amazon.co.uk about the new Blu-ray (out Nov 15):

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One of the best films from Italian genre master Sergio Sollima (The Big Gundown), Faccia a Faccia (Face to Face ) is a gangbusting western saga and a gripping parable of the rise of fascism. Upstanding history professor Brad Fletcher (played by the incomparable Gian Maria Volonte) is forced into retirement by his poor health and moves west for the warmer climate. Almost as soon as he arrives, however, he is taken hostage by famed bandit Solomon Bennett (the great Tomas Milian) in an accidental confrontation, and by necessity is forced to take up with his cohorts. But the learned man's growing identification with the gang encourages him to stage a takeover from Bennett, and a new crueller system of leadership is put into place. Produced by Sergio Leone's longtime partner Alberto Grimaldi, featuring stunning Techniscope cinematography, and a pounding score by il maestro Ennio Morricone, this long-requested Italian western makes its first appearance on Blu-ray anywhere in the world from a beautiful high-definition master, with both English and Italian soundtracks. - Beautiful 1080p high-definition presentation - Original English dubbed audio - Optional subtitles (SDH), - Original Italian audio with newly translated English subtitles


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on November 01, 2010, 08:02:47 AM
If the running time of 1:32 is correct which means it's missing 15 minutes of essential footage then i certainly won't be investing. :(

http://www.play.com/DVD/Blu-ray/4-/16586563/Face-To-Face/Product.html


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on November 01, 2010, 10:25:42 AM
If the running time of 1:32 is correct which means it's missing 15 minutes of essential footage then i certainly won't be investing. :(

http://www.play.com/DVD/Blu-ray/4-/16586563/Face-To-Face/Product.html
Vexing! And has the release date been moved back?


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on November 01, 2010, 10:34:24 AM
There doesn't seem to be a 1:32 version on home video anywhere in the world: http://www.spaghettiwesterndvds.com/movies/face-to-face-faccia-a-faccia/ so maybe it's a mistake.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on November 01, 2010, 11:18:47 AM
I originally had this 90 minute version on vhs:-

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Face-VHS-Gian-Maria-Volonte/dp/B000057CW3

For this version,as commented by Howard Hughes pocket guide ,as well the missing scenes in many places the dialogue is severely clipped.

But it does seem pointless to now release a heavily cut blu-ray version so i do hope this is a mistake as the English audio on the Japanese Stingray uncut print is dreadful(i'm assuming of course that they would've rectified this).



Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on November 01, 2010, 11:20:46 AM
Vexing! And has the release date been moved back?

It looks like it has. >:(


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Sundance on November 01, 2010, 03:35:10 PM
It has been delayed because Eureka has been made aware of the longer version and they're trying to release it as well.

They also seemed to think, after learning about the longer version, that the longer version is only in Italian, but as we know (and they know now... ;) ) the Japanese DVD has English audio for the longer version.

I am not sure what we will get in the end, but I'm sure they'll try their best. O0


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Novecento on November 02, 2010, 01:23:33 AM
Thanks for the info Sundance. Apparently there is some clean English audio for the beginning section from an old UK TV version according to someone at the SWDB.

This is hands down my least favorite Sollima in any case, so I doubt I'll be picking up a copy regardless (plus I have no Blue-Ray player yet). Now a nice full print with English audio of The Big Gundown would be something else however...



Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on November 02, 2010, 06:40:12 AM
It has been delayed because Eureka has been made aware of the longer version and they're trying to release it as well.

They also seemed to think, after learning about the longer version, that the longer version is only in Italian, but as we know (and they know now... ;) ) the Japanese DVD has English audio for the longer version.

I am not sure what we will get in the end, but I'm sure they'll try their best. O0
Well, this is good news. If they do right by us, I'll definitely buy a copy.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on November 02, 2010, 07:38:15 AM
Apparently there is some clean English audio for the beginning section from an old UK TV version according to someone at the SWDB.


From memory the English audio on the Japanese disc suffers in the pre-credit classroom scene and for about the last 20 minutes of the movie.My 90 minute vhs version has a perfectly reasonable English audio throughout and i have a feeling that there aren't  any cuts to correspond where the sound deteriorates on dvd.Even if i'm wrong i don't see why Eureka couldn't do a cut and paste job using the vhs audio source to vastly improve the soundtrack for the longer version.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Sundance on November 19, 2010, 10:09:55 AM
Well well... the Blu-Ray has been cancelled.  >:( DVD will still be released in January 2011.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 06, 2011, 01:28:18 PM
Apparently the Blu-ray is back on (according to amazon.co.uk). Anyone know what it will consist of?


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on February 04, 2011, 04:07:33 PM
Here's the latest in the continuing saga (via a posting at the criterion forum):
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IMPORTANT ACTION REQUIRED – All versions of FACCIA A FACCIA to be cancelled UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE

Unfortunately I regret to inform you that we are having to pull ALL FORMATS of FACCIA A FACCIA (FACE TO FACE) from the release schedule.

In the last week, some further unforeseen production issues have arisen regarding this particular title, which has led to us making the decision that it would be in everyone’s best interests for the title to be cancelled completely for the foreseeable future, until all these production issues have been resolved.

We hope you appreciate our continued commitment to producing product of the highest possible quality, and will accept our sincere apologies for any inconvenience caused and amend your records accordingly – full details below

EKA70020 - Dual Format edition (containing both a Blu-ray and a DVD) – CANCELLED
EKA70020 – Blu-ray – CANCELLED
EKA40324 – DVD only – CANCELLED


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: T.H. on February 04, 2011, 07:08:54 PM
Ugh. I just want to see this movie already. It's never been on TCM (no surprise), has dead links everywhere online and was never on youtube.

If anyone has any info to where I can find this, send me a pm. Thanks.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Groggy on February 05, 2011, 08:51:59 AM
Actually, I saw it on YouTube a year or two ago.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: T.H. on February 05, 2011, 09:53:09 AM
well that was my chance.

I guess I'm just not meant to see this movie for a while or something.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on February 06, 2011, 01:57:58 PM
Can't say i'm bothered particularly if we're still only talking about the short version of the film. ::)


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Jill on February 08, 2011, 03:37:38 PM
I want it too. With English subs. Nowhere to be found.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: stanton on February 09, 2011, 01:52:26 AM
Well, the Koch DVD includes the uncut Italian version and English subs.

But I think you all know that already ...


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on May 03, 2011, 04:32:26 PM
Whenever it finally emerges it really does look promising now with talk of a "dual format" and at the uncut length of 107 minutes. :D

http://eurekavideo.co.uk/classics/faccia-a-faccia-face-to-face/


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Novecento on May 04, 2011, 11:36:24 AM
I think that is out of date - apparently only a DVD will be released, but I'm not sure.

It's my least favorite of the Sollima trilogy anyway so I doubt I'll be getting it anyway.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on May 04, 2011, 05:00:55 PM
apparently only a DVD will be released, but I'm not sure.


Suits me(i don't care for bluray anyway,especially for old movies where difference is negligable)just so long as the English audio is good throughout and that it's uncut.

Definitely one of my top 10 sw's and Sollima's best!


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Novecento on May 05, 2011, 11:40:11 AM
....i don't care for bluray anyway,especially for old movies where difference is negligable...

Actually a well-restored old movie on blu-ray is usually far superior to its DVD counterpart. Check out some of the Criterion DVDs re-released on BD.

Definitely one of my top 10 sw's and Sollima's best!

Yeh, my opinions on Sollima's SW are a bit strange in comparison to most people. I rank "Run man Run" as just slightly better than "The Big Gundown" and don't really care for "Face to Face" at all. Most people seem to put TBG or FTF at the top and don't care for RMR.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on May 05, 2011, 02:34:06 PM
Yeh, my opinions on Sollima's SW are a bit strange in comparison to most people. I rank "Run man Run" as just slightly better than "The Big Gundown" and don't really care for "Face to Face" at all. Most people seem to put TBG or FTF at the top and don't care for RMR.


I with you on this, parts of FTF are great but the whole doesn't add up to the sum of its parts. I rank them TBG, RMR, then FTF.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on May 15, 2011, 12:51:38 PM
Here's the latest. It's a confusing press release, as it says this will be a DVD only release, but then later talks about Blu-ray. Also, it appears to be the shorter version.

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PRESS RELEASE: FACCIA A FACCIA, a film by Sergio SOLLIMA is to be released on DVD ONLY on 20 June 2011

- Long-awaited spaghetti western - a beloved classic of aficionados - never before released to an English speaking market on DVD
- Starring Italian legends Tomas Milian (Traffic, JFK) and Gian Maria Volonte (Le Cercle Rouge, A Fistful of Dollars)
- Directed by spaghetti western maestro Sergio Sollima (The Big Gundown, Run Man Run, Revolver, Violent City)
- Music by the legendary Ennio Morricone (The Good The Bad and the Ugly, Cinema Paradiso)
- Featuring English and Italian soundtracks, both fully subtitled

SYNOPSIS:

One of the best films from Italian genre master Sergio Sollima (The Big Gundown), Faccia a Faccia (Face to Face ) is a gangbusting western saga and a gripping parable of the rise of fascism. Upstanding history professor Brad Fletcher (played by the incomparable Gian Maria Volonte) is forced into retirement by his poor health and moves west for the warmer climate. Almost as soon as he arrives, however, he is taken hostage by famed bandit Solomon Bennett (the great Tomas Milian) in an accidental confrontation, and by necessity is forced to take up with his cohorts. But the learned man's growing identification with the gang encourages him to stage a takeover from Bennett, and a new crueller system of leadership is put into place.

Produced by Sergio Leone's longtime partner Alberto Grimaldi, featuring stunning Techniscope cinematography, and a pounding score by il maestro Ennio Morricone, this long-requested Italian western makes its first appearance on Blu-ray anywhere in the world from a beautiful high-definition master, with both English and Italian soundtracks.

Faccia a Faccia (Face to Face ) is to be released as on DVD on 20 June 2011

SPECIAL FEATURES:

- Original Italian audio with newly translated English subtitles,
- US & Italian Theatrical trailers,
- Interview with director Sergio Sollima, lavish 16 page booklet containing new essay by spaghetti western expert Howard Hughes

Label: Eureka Entertainment

Catalogue No: EKA40324
Barcode: 5060000403244
Release Date: 20 June 2011
Certificate: 12
Run Time: 92 min
Format: 2.35:1 OAR/ Colour
Genre: Spaghetti Western
Director: Sergio SOLLIMA
Year: 1967
Country: Italy/Spain
Language: Italian
Subtitles: English (Optional)


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on May 27, 2011, 11:42:57 AM
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film3/dvd_reviews54/faccia_a_faccia.htm

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This is the full 107 minute version (PAL timing) rather than the 93 minute version initially submitted by Eureka to the BBFC



Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Banjo on May 27, 2011, 02:58:56 PM
No English soundtrack.What a complete washout! >:(

For anyone that wants a decent print of  the uncut version with a reasonable English audio then this appears to be the best way to go:-

http://cultcine.com/products-page/spaghetti-western/face-to-face-1967-ntsc-sergio-sollima-remastered-widescreen/

And here's a review:-

http://www.spaghetti-western.net/index.php/Face_to_Face_DVD_Review_%28Cultcine%29


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: T.H. on January 15, 2012, 12:43:30 PM
So I finally saw this (107 min. version) and it lives up to the hype. It says quite a bit without being preachy and is highly entertaining. Milian and GMV had great chemistry and the score was solid. Very good ending too.

It's a shame the bluray was cancelled. It's also something of a travesty that Django is pretty much the only non Leone spag on R1 bluray.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: emmo26 on September 21, 2013, 10:26:33 AM
Wasnt it rumoured that GMV was going to play both parts?


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on March 12, 2015, 06:29:00 AM
HTF is reporting:
Coming in August from Kino Lorber Studio Classics - First time on Blu-ray and DVD - Sergio Sollima's Face to Face (1967)
Will include: HD version of the 93 minute English language version & SD (16x9) version of the 112 minute Italian language version.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: T.H. on March 12, 2015, 08:05:28 PM
I always get pumped whenever DJ bumps threads where the movie doesn't have a bluray release because he usually posts the good news.

This is awesome, and this is my second favorite non-Leone SW only trailing The Great Silence.


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on July 25, 2015, 09:41:39 AM
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film5/blu-ray_reviews_68/face_to_face_blu-ray.htm


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Novecento on April 05, 2016, 10:12:09 AM
New Explosive Media BD with full english audio and uncut (using upgraded SD footage where HD not available).

Scroll down for English: http://www.explosive-media.com/von-angesicht-zu-angesicht/


Title: Re: Faccia a faccia aka Face to Face (1967)
Post by: Jill on June 16, 2017, 08:15:54 PM
I just realized something. If you look at the premise (terminally ill teacher gets into crime, realizes he's really good at it, all sort of shit hits fan) it's awfully familiar... did they rip off this movie?