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Title: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: cigar joe on October 20, 2004, 08:51:21 PM
Got this unexpected gem in the mail from Amazon.com today, light years more polished than Django. I have to now reassess Corbucci, prior to seeing this I'd only seen Django and The Great Silence, I likened Corbucci to being the Ken Russel of Spaghetti Westerns. I'm not sure if all of you are familiar with Russel but he has a style that is just a bit off, a bit twisted is about the best way to describe it.

Django is in my opinion way below AFOD as a debut film, but a lot of directors after an initial success just flatline and repeat a formula but the learning curve of Corbucci is impressive.

Companeros is completely different, well made, funny, Jack Palance is a hoot over the top. Don't expect Leone style  but you will like it. Its also got a catchy Morricone score, what more could you want.

The biggest mistake you can make with judging Corbucci is see Django first, if you buy it you will feel like you got burned, Corbucci definitely improved with age and bigger budgets.

More later.....


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: grandpa_chum on October 20, 2004, 10:17:16 PM
companeros is definitly better than django and from what i've seen i think it's corbucci's best. Nero really is in quite a few great movies and gives some great western performances... definitly underrated in my opinion, although django is overrated.

haven't seen the grand silence... but i do own super fuzz and i love it!


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: cigar joe on October 21, 2004, 04:29:10 AM
Actually everything I've read rates The Mercenary (A Professional Gun) better than Companeros. Something else to look forward too....

What's Super Fuzz by the way?


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: spag fan on October 21, 2004, 06:39:37 AM
Yes, Companeros is very good!

If I'm not mistaken, I think Super Fuzz was one of several cop flicks Terrance Hill was in in the 70's. I remember them being funny along the lines of the Trinity films.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Nobody on October 21, 2004, 07:03:21 AM
I personalley prefer Companeros over A Professional Gun, but then again, Companeros is the only one of them I've seen with top image quality. Plus it had Franco Nero speaking swedish. I love that theme song from Companeros.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: The Smoker on October 21, 2004, 02:47:22 PM
The Mercenary was a grower for me. My second viewing was alot more enjoyable. Its was the first film Corbucci shook off those shakey camera zooms. Alot more polished style. Mentioned this before but he was really hung up on burning sunsets in that movie.

Companeros is just a good time movie for me. It’s basically a reworking of The Mercenary. Has the essence that all involved had a good laugh making it.

Shame that 'Che Centriamo Noi Con La Rivoluzione' (1972) 'What am i doing in the middle of this revolution'
didn't produce the goods, the last part of Corbucci's Zapata Trilogy.
2 Italian gringos (Actor & Priest), In the midist of the Revolution. It was actually filmed in Mexico. Basic idea is great spaghetti western self parody (A Italian thespian in Mexico), The main bandit cult seeking revenge all whore Mexican ‘day of the dead’ traditional skull masks and sombreros.  (On a subconscious level they strikingly reminded you of certain sci-fi movies stormtroopers when in mass) Also had their right hands amputated, Corbucci’s disability obsession again.  But it doesn’t pull it off. Wasn’t up to the quality of the others. Very over noisy and unmatchable in places. And above all not very funny which its suppose to be.
One of those films that i bet looked good on paper.
At least it shook it self free from the 'A Bullet For The General' carbon copy that Mercenary, Companeros followed.
And yes, The Ennio Morricone soundtrack was fantastic for this movie.

(http://products.priceclash.co.uk/images/nodrop/160/B00008V71A/music)

Has that twilight melancholy feel the My Name is Nobody, Sonny & Jed and Giu La Testa scores have. Sundown on the Italian western.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Nobody on October 21, 2004, 04:33:26 PM
Sonny and Jed? Never heard of the film, nor heard the score. I assume it's worth tracking down?


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: DJIMBO on October 21, 2004, 06:27:11 PM
well its got telly savalas in it...who loves ya baby!  ;D

not to mention tomas milian.
it was pretty dire im afraid, morricone score tho

ive always thought Great Silence was pretty good considering how bad Corbucci's other films ive seen are, though i havent seen Companeros or Professional Gun yet.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Two Kinds of ... on October 21, 2004, 11:27:24 PM
Corbucci had a lot of cool ideas, but his camera sense didn't approach Leone's.   His story ideas, characters and gags were strong, but the Camera work didn't keep up with his strengths.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: The Smoker on October 22, 2004, 05:38:37 AM
Sonny & Jed..
Bonnie & Clyde with spurs. Good for Susan George 'Straw Dogs' who played Sonny.
One thing you can always say about Corbucci has unscrapable taste in leading ladies in his movies.

(http://www.sea.fi/foto/sonny-and-jed.jpg)

Proberly the last watchable Corbucci movie as well unfortunatly.

I think you can get hold of the soundtrack on a Double Bill with a Zombie movie, which slips the mined. Ive got it hang around somewhere. earlier 80s release.

But i can't recommended the 'Che Centriamo Noi Con La Rivoluzione' LP enough been listening to it mostly last summer, Dagored Records (Firenze) do really good Morricone CD/LP reissues. Amazon stock em.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: grandpa_chum on October 22, 2004, 12:32:37 PM
super fuzz is one of my guilty pleasures... it's about a cop(terrence hill) who after contact with a red nuclear material has super powers as long as he doesn't see anything red... it really is a good corbucci movie... made in 1980 with ernest borgnine and sal borgese.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: cigar joe on October 24, 2004, 12:02:19 PM
Ok watched this again, its basically a fun adventure film and it works, caught one minor gaff and they go to rescue Xantos from Ft. Yuma in Texas, lol.

Nero aka "the Swede" or "The Penguin", has a merorable entrance, a lot of fun. Milian is equally amusing, its not Leone but to Leone fans it will be very familiar, and if your looking to watch a film that captures that Sapghetti Western feel of the 60's and 70's this is one. As an added connection it does have a great Morricone score.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Two Kinds of ... on October 25, 2004, 06:16:46 PM
Ok watched this again, its basically a fun adventure film and it works, caught one minor gaff and they go to rescue Xantos from Ft. Yuma in Texas, lol.

Nero aka "the Swede" or "The Penguin", has a merorable entrance, a lot of fun. Milian is equally amusing, its not Leone but to Leone fans it will be very familiar, and if your looking to watch a film that captures that Sapghetti Western feel of the 60's and 70's this is one. As an added connection it does have a great Morricone score.
This one is all about Palance and his bird.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: cigar joe on October 25, 2004, 06:37:43 PM
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This one is all about Palance and his bird.


Well, not all about Palance and his bird, Palance plays "Wooden hand John" a dope smoking lunatic and "Marsha" is his pet falcon. The Swede and John were gunrunning business partners selling faulty arms in Cuba, when the deal went sour the Swede nailed John by one hand to a tree and took off. John persuaded Marsha to gnaw his hand off to free himself. He has a small gang, one of whom has an outlandish hearing aid and they pop up here and there in the film.

Its not, I repeat a magnificent mythic Leone style western, but its also not an out and out spoof like "My name is Nobody" its somewhere in between its well made has an excellent transfer to DVD and it has a catchy Morricone score.

Bonus it has an interview with Franco Nero, Tomas Milian, and Ennio Morricone.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Two Kinds of ... on October 27, 2004, 03:00:47 PM
I have it!  And I repeat, it is all about Palance and his bird!


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: cigar joe on October 28, 2004, 05:22:44 AM
I have it too, maybe you have some butcherd version but I don't think the Palance part is that important or crucial to the plot, he certainly doesn't have as much weight as Angel Eyes does to GBU, he doesn't appear until about the halfway point and you could have had done the story without him.  As far as screen time Milian and Nero dominate.

Palance kind of serves as a goofy unknown quality but you never get the feeling of deliberate and diabolical evil that you get from Angel Eyes.  General Mongo and Xantos and the chica have as much or more screen time "Two kinds of..."

He does play an important part in the final shootout but by then his bird is gone  ;D

I think its a little misleading to others to simply say:

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I have it!  And I repeat, it is all about Palance and his bird!



This on a side note illustrates a difference between Leone and Corbucci. Leone wove an intrieging intricate story in GBU that culmintated in a beautiful unpredictable 3-way showdown.

Corbucci told a story that showed some inspiration but he also brought in plug in characters to advance his plot, it works in some places and not in others.

Reminds me of the difference between author"s John D. MacDonald and  Carl Hiassen. Both tell stories of underworld Florida, MacDonald's villans are real bastards, Hiassens are figments of his imagination using dopey gimmics to differentiate them, i.e. one is one handed and has some kind of electric fan attached to the stump with which he threatens people. It like Hiassen must ask himself what can I do to top that in my next novel.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Two Kinds of ... on October 28, 2004, 07:24:31 PM
I mentioned on another thread that Corbucci had good ideas and gags, but lacked, among other things, Leone's Camera (almost everyone does) and his ability to produce a unified whole.  

BTW, I pretty much can't stand Thomas Milan.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: DJIMBO on October 29, 2004, 02:19:19 PM
i think milian's performance in Big Gundown was great, in a similar vein to Tuco in GBU, but i can see his antics grating after a while. Sollima obviously liked him, casting in Gundown, Face to Face and Run Man Run.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: dave jenkins on October 29, 2004, 06:27:05 PM

BTW, I pretty much can't stand Thomas Milan.

Companero, you have said a true thing.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: cigar joe on October 30, 2004, 05:10:14 AM
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... milian's performance in Big Gundown was great, in a similar vein to Tuco in GBU, but i can see his antics grating after a while. Sollima obviously liked him, casting in Gundown, Face to Face and Run Man Run.


Well he is playing the same character in TBG & RMR, for Face to Face he plays an ex confederate outlaw its a serious part and the film has no jokes, for Companeros he's back in his loveable peon shtick.

Milian plays the peon very very well he would have been a much better and believable choice for Juan in Duck You Sucker than Stieger, so would have Eli Wallach.

Doing his peon shtick Milian is equal to Eastwood doing his MWNN persona and Van Cleef doing his Mortimer/wiseman character. Face it, Milian is a SW staple and one of the greats of the genre along with Nero. We here in the US just haven't sampled all of their films.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Two Kinds of ... on October 30, 2004, 11:33:41 AM



Doing his peon shtick Milian is equal to Eastwood doing his MWNN persona and Van Cleef doing his Mortimer/wiseman character. Face it, Milian is a SW staple and one of the greats of the genre along with Nero. We here in the US just haven't sampled all of their films.
I disagree that Milian doing his peon sh*t is equal to Eastwood's man with no name, or really any of the major Leone characters.     The Leone characters are endlessly compelling.  Milian makes you want to fast forward.   He was in a lot of Spaghetti and their inbred cousing Zapata Westerns, but I can't think of any time where GMV, or Eli  wouldn't have been better and more compelling.    Not everyone in Spaghetti Westerns was particularly good, though the genre is very strong.  Milian might be a staple of Spaghetti's but so were a bunch of second and third rate Clint clones, are they good, too?


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: cigar joe on October 30, 2004, 01:48:53 PM
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I disagree that Milian doing his peon sh*t is equal to Eastwood's man with no name, or really any of the major Leone characters.    The Leone characters are endlessly compelling.  Milian makes you want to fast forward.  He was in a lot of Spaghetti and their inbred cousing Zapata Westerns, but I can't think of any time where GMV, or Eli  wouldn't have been better and more compelling.    Not everyone in Spaghetti Westerns was particularly good, though the genre is very strong.  Milian might be a staple of Spaghetti's but so were a bunch of second and third rate Clint clones, are they good, too?


I'm not comparing him to Leone characters, he obviously made a great career in SW's he must have been doing something right and made a lot of dinero for his directors and producers. I'm talking the top 20 SW's, not the 500 or so other pieces of crap.

Milian played a smart peon who does the right thing, Eli a loveable idiot, Volonte a dangerous lunatic. I think you are judging to harshly.



Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Nobody on October 30, 2004, 06:09:27 PM
Perhaps Milian is not for everyone. I certainly think he's extraordiary. He is amuzing and fun to watch, and I've never considered fast forwarding when he's on screen. Among non-Leone SW actors, he's one of the truly great names. Then again, there aren't that many great SW actors who never worked with Leone.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: DJIMBO on October 30, 2004, 08:23:47 PM
i think milian is one of the better SW actors, but you've gotta put it into context, apart from the guys used by Leone, most of these guys were shit actors, its not the actors that make the films fun to watch.

ok so eastwood, kinski, volonte, these are great actors.

but Nero, Steffen, garko, these arent great thespians lets be honest.  :-\


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Two Kinds of ... on October 31, 2004, 01:23:35 PM


I'm not comparing him to Leone characters, he obviously made a great career in SW's he must have been doing something right and made a lot of dinero for his directors and producers. I'm talking the top 20 SW's, not the 500 or so other pieces of crap.

Milian played a smart peon who does the right thing, Eli a loveable idiot, Volonte a dangerous lunatic. I think you are judging to harshly.


Life has no value here...


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Fortean on June 10, 2005, 11:40:08 AM
I've been a Spaghetti Western fan for years. I own over 75 western DVDs. I even have Sonny and Jed, but I had never gotten around to getting Companeros on DVD until just recently. I was floored.

What a great flic! I really liked Franco Nero as Django, but as Yodlaf he is ten times better. Tomas Milian and Jack Palance gave fine performances, but I'd have to say Franco really stole the show.

The Great Silence is in the mail to me, and I can hardly wait to see it. And now I know I'll have to get The Mercenary as well.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: grandpa_chum on June 10, 2005, 11:50:08 AM
companeros has really gotten me obsessed with finding more corbucci, he is amazing... one of the very few spaghetti auteurs... anyhow, companeros is currently by far my favorite spaghetti, leone discluded of course, but even then I believe it to be superior to a few of his as well... the morricone score and the direction is what really got me, and the way corbucci can make something as adolescent as nero picking up a machine gun look so damn amazing... btw, the other great thing about it is in my opinion it has to have the greatest trailer ever made, thanks partially to the score, on the region 1  once upon a time in italy dvd anyway.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: cigar joe on June 10, 2005, 09:03:34 PM
You'll really like "The Mercenary" then. Looking forward to hearing your report on that one.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: dave jenkins on June 10, 2005, 11:46:42 PM
the morricone score and the direction is what really got me,
Yep. Not the story, though.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: redyred on June 11, 2005, 12:21:54 PM
I've been a Spaghetti Western fan for years. I own over 75 western DVDs. I even have Sonny and Jed, but I had never gotten around to getting Companeros on DVD until just recently. I was floored.

What a great flic! I really liked Franco Nero as Django, but as Yodlaf he is ten times better. Tomas Milian and Jack Palance gave fine performances, but I'd have to say Franco really stole the show.

The Great Silence is in the mail to me, and I can hardly wait to see it. And now I know I'll have to get The Mercenary as well.

You own 75 SWs and only now just getting round to Mercenary and Gt Silence? Wow.

You're in for a treat though - Silence is the best non-Leone SW and the Mercenary is the best non-DYS Zapata western. I'm undecided as to which is the better of the two though.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Marco Leone on June 11, 2005, 06:25:58 PM
I'd agree.  Great Silence is up there with the best.  I would also recommend Corbucci's Hellbenders and Navajo Joe.  After Leone, Corbucci is "the man".


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Fortean on June 14, 2005, 02:00:26 PM
In the mail today I got three DVDs:

The Great Silence
Any Gun Can Play
Find A Place To Die

I've still got A Pistol For Ringo/Return Of Ringo coming in the mail fom an eBay auction.

This will be a good weekend I think.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Fortean on June 15, 2005, 09:30:14 AM
Watched The Great Silence last night. It met up with my expectations. I liked Companeros better, but Silence has style and an excellent story. I'll have to get The Mercenary next month, and eventually Hellbenders.

On a side note, if anyone watches the special features on Day Of Anger there is a bit of film on the making of Great Silence. The scenes in town used an interesting sort of fake snow.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: grandpa_chum on June 15, 2005, 11:39:49 AM
out of curiousity are you aware of where to get your hands on a decent copy of either the mercenary or hellbenders... as far as I can tell(and I haven't looked into it too much) mercenary has a horrid horrid transfer on a region 1 disc and hellbenders isn't available, are there options for other regions? if you have the spots picked out already it could save me the time of searching.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Marco Leone on June 15, 2005, 01:11:57 PM
In the mail today I got three DVDs:

The Great Silence
Any Gun Can Play
Find A Place To Die

I've still got A Pistol For Ringo/Return Of Ringo coming in the mail fom an eBay auction.

This will be a good weekend I think.

All really good films, Fortean.  Excellent choices.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: visitor on June 15, 2005, 01:18:09 PM
out of curiousity are you aware of where to get your hands on a decent copy of either the mercenary or hellbenders... as far as I can tell(and I haven't looked into it too much) mercenary has a horrid horrid transfer on a region 1 disc and hellbenders isn't available, are there options for other regions? if you have the spots picked out already it could save me the time of searching.

in the USA try
www.xploitedcinema.com

pricey, but whatcha gonna do when you need a fix?

He has an extensive collection of PAL, NTSC, and region free dvds. His sw dvd's have most of the available titles. I think HELLBENDERS is coming out soon.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: The Smoker on June 15, 2005, 04:23:57 PM
in the USA try
www.xploitedcinema.com

pricey, but whatcha gonna do when you need a fix?

He has an extensive collection of PAL, NTSC, and region free dvds. His sw dvd's have most of the available titles. I think HELLBENDERS is coming out soon.

via Anchorbay in the fall with any luck.
Hellbenders is available throu the SPO Japanese label under the italian name 'I Crudelli'.. but its a first generation macaroni DVD like Blindman etc.. tend to be Letterbox low bit rate. Not even sure if its got a english audio actually.

Sonny & Jed is a bit hard work the first half hour. Basicly long scappy domestic between J & S. But it gets better after that. Its a good Thomas Milian film thou, hes improvising on the humour alot of the time.

Very grey overcaste bleak lookin spaghetti western like Django 'the mud and the cold, which dosn't mix too well with the hyperactive nature of the film. . Savalas is great but three quarters of the way through the film his charactor changes in a way you will never expect. Which does leave you scratching your head a little.
Very good 'Sonny' chant Morricone theme holds the film together like glue . Like the 'sean sean' in Giu La testa. Proberly the only thing worth searching out in the early 70s. Pretty much down hill for Corbucci. I've become quite fond of J & S over the years.. it has its moments..

 


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: The Smoker on June 16, 2005, 12:10:49 PM
Dunno about "only" thing worthwhile in the early seventies...I think Grand Duel, from this period, is pretty good, and DYS dates to that period also.  Unless you mean by Corbucci, in which case I don't know enough about his movies to comment.

Sorry Derringdo, not very clear. Just talkin Corbucci post Companeros..


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Fortean on June 16, 2005, 12:24:13 PM
Grand Duel was a recent acquisition as well. Got that one off of eBay. An excellent film, better than I had expected.

I think Great Silence had some excellent costume work. Companeros did as well. When you compare that to a film like God's Gun, or even some more modern efforts I could name, it's very impressive.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Marco Leone on June 16, 2005, 01:07:44 PM
And the music in Grand Duel is fantastic too.

I know very little about latter day Corbucci westerns, but I gather he moved more into the light-hearted vein.  Personally, I like it when he dollops on big portions of unjust!


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Marco Leone on June 17, 2005, 04:46:27 PM
Annoyingly, there is soooo much good music out of print!!!

I'd love to get hold of The Hellbenders music.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: grandpa_chum on June 17, 2005, 06:11:49 PM
Sorry Derringdo, not very clear. Just talkin Corbucci post Companeros..

I know you are reffering to spaghettis specifically, but if you get a chance I HIGHLY Reccomend SUPER FUZZ(1980 i believe?)... it really is fantastic, and available somewhere on dvd, i do own it.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Marco Leone on June 18, 2005, 03:19:45 AM
try discplus.ch They've been trying to clear out their soundtracks in stock (were discounted like 70%), and last time I searched for Morricone on it, I Crudeli (Hellbenders) was there.

At something like 5 EU apiece, their cds were a steal.

Cheers for that!  I'll have to have a look!


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: grandpa_chum on July 24, 2005, 01:31:01 AM
being my favorite, By Far, of all the non-leone spaghetti westerns I had to write a bit about it after watching it tonight...

I posted this review somewhere else and thought I should share it here as well.

It's incredibly hard to say anything bad about this film. It's also hard to say anything good about this film and still sound slightly intelligent. Basically what makes this film great is Corbucci, with direction that is so sporadic and brilliant at the same time it is hard to articulate. He has filmed 3 of the best action sequences ever shot ,or scored for that matter, and he has put them all in the same movie. The long river chase being the least of the three is absolutely brilliantly cut and scored by morricone, it quickly goes back and forth from men keeling over almost in synchronicity to Nero and his reoccuring early 1900's machine gun rampage. From their the chase scene goes into chase mode and is some of the best horse chasing, score pounding integration I've ever seen. The second, and best of the great action sequences(maybe the best of all time) is when the duo saves professor xantos from the firing squad. Again we get fast gunfire, intercut sporadically with men keeling over, this time it's almost balletic. Men go down in sequence, at the same time, thrown over their toppling horses, all perfectly set to music that accentuates such rhythmic action. Each man goes down differently, and each man going down sets up and at the same time compliments the next. It really is magnificent, and anyone who can appreciate a good action sequence will undoubtedly be in awe for several minutes, I find myself watching it over and over again each time I sit down to view the movie. The third is your standard 'trio taking down 30 men to get to the head honcho', but again it's done with such style and grace, and this time much more chaotically, that you almost forget these men are dying and not dancing, yet at the same time it feels like you are in the middle of something as chaotic as a war. To be able to capture both of those feelings into an action sequence is pure brilliance, and Corbucci, in that regard is ridiculously underappreciated.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Marco Leone on July 24, 2005, 03:59:36 AM
I've been gradually easing a friend of mine into the non-Leone Spaghetti Westerns, and this is the next one I plan to show him.  Followed probably by Johnny Yuma.

So far I have got him to see Sabata, Navajo Joe, Hellbenders, Django, Great Silence, Keoma, Face to Face, Bullet for the General and Django Kill.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: titoli on July 24, 2005, 09:59:31 AM
I liked it very much when I saw it at the theatre. Now I prefer by a long way Il mercenario, though marred (as I have already said in another discussion) by Musante playing Milian's role.
Anyway, I would like you to explain to me, if you please, the finale: what is it that makes Nero move?


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: grandpa_chum on July 24, 2005, 12:16:22 PM
back to help the students or blowing up the arms?


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Marco Leone on July 28, 2005, 02:23:34 PM
I got around to watching Companeros again last night.  And, whilst I thought it was pretty good the first time, I enjoyed it even more so the second time around.  So, here is my usual review type thing!

"With a dream cast of Franco Nero (as Swedish mercenary Yod Peterson aka "penguin") and Tomas Milian (Mexican rebel Vasco), a soundtrack by Ennio Morricone and Sergio Corbucci at the Directors helm, this film was always likely to deliver. And it delivers 100%.

The story centres around the town of San Bernardino, and a fight for power between General Mongo (Bodalo) and Professor Xantos (Fernando Rey). Xantos, a pacifist with a young and dedicated following, has been imprisoned at Fort Yuma by the Americans. His absence has left the town, and its safe, at the mercy of Mongo. However, without the combination for the lock, he is unable to access the wealth of the town.

Mongo enlists the help of Peterson to rescue Xantos, for both the combination code and probable execution. Vascos is sent to accompany him, having already suffered much humiliation as a result of an earlier confrontation with the Swede. This makes for a very uneasy relationship.

A brief fracas with Xantos' followers at a hold-up on a train enables Peterson to escape from Vacos' close watch. However, he is soon relying on his companion to rescue him, after he is captured by a former partner John (Jack Palance) - who he had previously betrayed some years ago to save his own skin. This betrayal had resulted in John being nailed to a tree, and relying on his faithful pet falcon, Marsha, to rescue him by biting off his hand. Not surprisingly, John holds a grudge (as well as a wooden hand!).

On escaping John's grasp, the two make an assault on Fort Yuma in an attempt to free Xantos from the Americans. As the adventure really heats up, they're paths will soon cross with the American army, General Mongo, Xantos' followers and, of course, John and Marsha.

The first third of the film is perhaps a little slow and episodic, but does successfully reveal the characters of Peterson and Vasco to the viewer (with fantastic character play by Nero and Milian respectively). Once the background is established, the film soon explodes into action with a series of exciting and highly effective chases and battle sequences. Corbucci at his best.

Probably the strongest element of this movie however is its subtle use of humour. Much of this is provided by the chemistry between the two leading roles, but the laughs really reach a crescendo with Peterson and Vasco's final liaison with Jack's falcon Marsha. Just one great scene in a film full of them.

It is no doubt a crime to have got so far into my review without mentioning Jack Palance's performance in much detail, because his performance as the unhinged, marijuana smoking John is scene stealing. Quite possibly one of the greatest villains of all the Spaghetti Westerns I have seen.

Music is provided by Morricone, and as always the score is a perfect accompaniment to the action - both memorable and rousing. In fact it always amazes me how the man could be so consistent! In summary, this is a must view film from the ever reliable Corbucci. And my mouth waters at the prospect of watching his other mexican revolutionary movies ('A Professional Gun' and 'What Am I Doing in the Middle of a Revolution')..... very shortly, hopefully"!


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: HEX on September 23, 2005, 03:28:28 PM
MARCO LEONE with the films u have shown youre pal he should be "EASED" into the genre by now(u have shown him great to good films). u gave him excellent choices to start of with but how about giving him more risky SW like FISTFUL OF LEAD perhaps ;)


oh also this question is for any one who would know
who is the actress that milian marries at the end of the flick?
she is so cute  :-*


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Marco Leone on September 23, 2005, 03:52:48 PM
Well Hex, too true - and the next one lined up for him is Cut-throat Nine!  He has also borrowed my copy of Viva Django.

As for the "love interest" in Companeros, its the very tasty looking Iris Berben.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: HEX on September 23, 2005, 06:04:02 PM
thanks


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Leone Admirer on September 25, 2005, 01:05:23 PM
Is Johnny Yuma worth a look. I saw it at Wild East on DVD but heard the transfer on the Double Feature disc was diabolical.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Marco Leone on September 25, 2005, 01:09:36 PM
Its a while since I watched Johnny Yuma, and it was great.  I don't remember having a problem with the transfer.

The film has a great "bad" female role.  The accompanying movie, "Between God, the Devil and the Winchester" also made for a good view (although I appreciate that not all agree with me on that one).


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Banjo on December 25, 2005, 06:29:07 AM
I opened my Companeros DVD Xmas pressie this morning and gave it a spin.Having already a copy of the cut vhs i was surprised to see that in the beginning flashback duel between Nero and Milian they've totally left of the English dialogue in favour of Italian(with English subtitles) but with totally different lines!!
I can only put this down to the Italian lines flowing better into Neros narrative for the newly inserted prologue starting with Milian shining Eduardo Fajardo's boots.Later on they have also left out the English dialogue when Nero ejects the big bufoon from the hotel room but again this scene is slightly extended i think.
This isn't a complaint because i am well chuffed with this stunning widescreen longer picture version but i will certainly keep hold of my old vhs for the original English dialogue for those two scenes!


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: indio on December 26, 2005, 01:13:51 AM
one of my favorites . such great fun.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Leone Admirer on December 27, 2005, 04:58:43 AM
Great film, I'm glad you got it on DVD at last banjo  :)


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Christopher on January 02, 2006, 04:48:56 PM
This one is all about Palance and his bird.
I just watched it, and I can't say I follow this statement very well. ???

I liked it. I like Nero and Milian more and more as I see them in more movies, and they're good together here. The soundtrack is great too.

This isn't a complaint because i am well chuffed with this stunning widescreen longer picture version but i will certainly keep hold of my old vhs for the original English dialogue for those two scenes!
I thought those scenes weren't in the original English release, and that's why they're still in Italian with subtitles. The back of the DVD case and before the movie starts, it says something about including scenes that wasn't in the English release, so they've never been dubbed.

Or did some of those scenes exist in the cut version, but they decided to put them in Italian so as not to mix up the languages too much during the opening scenes?


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Leone Admirer on January 02, 2006, 04:52:58 PM
From what banjo syas it seems AB have replaced the scenes with English dialogue with Italian, most likely to ease the launch from English to Latin language. I'm just glad to have such a great version on DVD.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Banjo on January 03, 2006, 02:20:18 AM
The main chunk missing from my English vhs version is the prologue starting off with Milian shining the Generals boots up to the point where we are back in the present and the train pulls in to introduce us to Penguin!
The other later cuts are minor.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Le Bon on January 03, 2006, 01:06:51 PM
I noticed too that the scenes in italian on the DVD were actually in english on my old VHS. The cover implies like you say that these were never dubbed and are being seen for the first time. But like Banjo says there are some new bits and it is W/S.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Poggle on January 11, 2006, 02:10:03 PM
Next week I'm thinking of getting either My Name is Nobody or Companeros.

Which should it be, lads?


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Leone Admirer on January 11, 2006, 02:18:39 PM
ooo tough choice (well for me anyways). I would actually say go for My Name Is Nobody if your a big Fonda, Hill fan.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Poggle on January 11, 2006, 02:29:42 PM
I like Fonda, but I've never seen Hill before. I also like Nero and Milian as well ;D


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Leone Admirer on January 11, 2006, 03:28:15 PM
Maybe you should check out Companeros then. All I can do is point you in the direction of my reviews http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=2405.60 and http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=2405.90 which I can only hope go some way towards helping you make up your mind  :)


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: titoli on January 11, 2006, 07:05:22 PM
Quote
I've never seen Hill before

Well...what do you answer to that?


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Tim on January 11, 2006, 09:31:25 PM
  Poggle, they're both really good so you should be fairly safe with either.  If I had to choose, I'd go with My Name is Nobody cause it has more of a Leone influence.

  Didn't mean to make your decision more difficult, but I imagine you'll enjoy both if you're a fan of spaghettis in general.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Poggle on January 11, 2006, 11:07:28 PM
Yeah, I decided - Nobody it will be 8)

Aside from the Leone/Fonda/Morricone imprints on the film, I'm also really anxious to see another spaghetti that was half filmed in the U.S. and half in Spain.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Banjo on January 12, 2006, 02:25:13 AM
And from what i've read much/all of the footage shot in Almeria was directed by Leone who was running the second filming unit there!


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: cigar joe on April 12, 2007, 02:52:01 PM
Needs some input besides mine, also check out & weigh in on the other topics guys gals  O0


http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000030/thread/70566584


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Banjo on May 25, 2007, 04:43:08 AM
Leone Admirer's review from his SW Virgins Guide:-

Compañeros

A damn good film. Director Sergio Corbucci has created a film that has lept into being one of my favourite non-Leone spaghettis. This film has everything, excellent direction, amazing stars, fantastic humor and an superb score.
     Compañeros begins with the audience seeing Basco (Tomas Milian) and Yodlof Peterson (Franco Nero) in a stand off. The film flashes back to when the pair first met. Basco was an officer under the Mexican bandit Mongo (José Bódalo) and Peterson, better known as the Swede, enters town to sell Mongo some guns. Relationships between Basco and the gun runner are immediatly poor and it gets worse when Mongo pairs them off to find a man called Prof. Xantos (Fernando Ray) an opposition leader who holds the combination to a safe stuffed with riches which the Swede and Mongo want to get their hands on. On their way into the US, Basco and Peterson end up being hunted by a marijuana addicted sadist called John (Jack Palance).
    Immediatly, from the choices of music, editing and direction you know that this film doesn't take itself seriously. The relationship between the two leads is highly comic but is also quite realistic and affecting as they gradually begin to learn to trust each other. The situations they get into along with the people they meet often has a light hearted feel to it. For instance a scene where a naive group of revolutionaries try to get the weapons from Peterson and the film treats them  almost as if they are naive idiots.
    The two main protagonists differ in quite a few ways. Basco is a pig of man, he is a violent, lazy, cruel man and in the begining he has very few elements that make him a sympathetic character. Infact that camera does treat him as an item of fun, even using the old slapstick classic of having him slip on a banana skin.
    This is quite the opposite for the Swede. Peterson is shown as being a very sophisticated, suave and intelligent person. He is paitient, he dresses smartly and is usually able to talk his way out of any situation. However he does have some flaws, like cynacism and lack of caring for people and causes which does make him appear cold. Its these two opposites that make a classic cinematic attract.
    The object of their attention, Prof. Xantos is shown as being very intelligent, if perhaps a naive and a little bit odd. His refusal to use violence is explored through out the film and its view towards the idea seems to swing from positive to negative.
The main villain, John, is a very frightining character heightened by his dimensia caused by his addiction to Marijuana. He is almost bond villain esque in the fact that he has a false hand. His last one was taken when his pet bird Marsha ate it. A tortue scene involving John, Basco and a rat attached to his stomach is both horrific and hilarious at the same time.
    Acting in the film is uniformly excellent, with the pairing or Milian and Nero working like a dream. Both actors playing each character's traits making the parts their own. Jack Palance is as frighting as ever and he really plays the part of drug addled mad man very well. Ray is also good as Xantos, with his mixture of scholar like attributes and revolutionary hero. 
    After The Great Silence, Compañeros is my second favourite Corbucci. Here he handles the humor very well and also creates some excellent set pieces such as a scene involving an army barracks, some prostitures and a fire. The score by Morricone is for me one of the best elements of the film. The great theme song which bursts into life at different points during the film is very welcome and again adds to the light hearted feeling of the film. Cinematography is again excellent with some intriguing framing and some great reveals.
    This DVD was part of a boxset called Once Upon A Time In Italy: The Spaghetti Western Collection which was released by Anchor Bay for R1 and contains the films Texas Adios, A Bullet For The General, Companeros, Four Of The Apocalypse and Keoma. These can also be bought seperatly.
   The back of the box erroneously lists the aspect ratio as 1.85:1 when it is actually 2.35:1. The print for Companeros was strong, great color and usually sharp. There is some print damage which begins roughly around the midway mark but it's not too distracting. Anchor Bay tells us that "The presentation of COMPANEROS is complete and uncut, featuring scenes omitted from all previous English language releases. Because these scenes were never dubbed into English, they are presented here in Italian with English subtitles."Most of the cut footage is found with in the firts ten minutes and gaging by this version, it must mean that the English langauge release must have had a very convoluted begining that wouldn't have much sense and wouldn't have tied up so neatly with the begining.
    Audio is presented in English Mono 2.0 and is generally of good quality, highlighting Morricone's score very well. There is some slight hiss throughout most of these scenes. Italian 2.0 is also included.
    Also included on this DVD is a interview with the stars Franco Nero, Tomas Milian and the composer Ennio Morricone. This is a very interesting piece in which the two actors relate their experiences on set and with working with each other. Morricone briefly talks about his relationship with Leone and then this film. The 17 minute featurette is fall of fascintating facts and well worth a watch. Also included on the disc is a theatrical trailer and some talent bios.
     This film was excellent. I very much enjoyed watching this romp through Mexico and I think that so far its been the best of a very good crop of films contained within the Anchor Bay boxset. I certainly recomend this to Morricone fans, for that wonderful score, as well as new and old spaghetti fans.



Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Banjo on May 26, 2007, 03:54:41 PM
Arizona Colts review:-

COMPANEROS- 1972-Sergio Corbucci’s highly entertaining comedy western starring Franco Nero, Tomas Milian and a scene stealing Jack Palance as an eccentric, pot smoking, one handed villain with a hawk for a companion. In the Italian version Palance’s character is a descendant of Dracula(!) The film drags a bit in places but the combination of Nero, Milian and Palance is can’t miss entertainment. The score by the always reliable and diverse Ennio Morricone is very energetic.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: mezcal on June 03, 2007, 05:07:43 AM
Apologies for seeing this thread very late.
Poggle,

hope you enjoyed 'nobody', but for a SW and nero / milian fan, you should have nobody AND companeros in your collection.

The once upon a time in taly 5 dvd set goes for about U$25 now a days on ebay and also has keoma, enjoy O0


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Rojo Ramone on July 15, 2007, 07:05:08 PM
Well, I didn't enjoy this film as much as  DJANGO and THE GREAT SILENCE.
COMPANEROS struck me as a second rate BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID, but this buddy film was too cute for me
I finally got it in the ONCE UPON A TIME IN ITALY box set with Keoma (yes)
I must admit that Jack Palance was the best part of the film for me, but he wasn't in it enough.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 15, 2007, 10:01:40 PM
Well, I didn't enjoy this film as much as  DJANGO and THE GREAT SILENCE.


That was my initial reaction when I first saw it, it takes multiple viewings before you can really begin to appreciate it.

Then again, their are those who dislike Corbucci's "Django" type stuff (low budget, silly plot, shocking violence, over the top but creative ideas) and tend to swear by his more serious political, "thinking mans", westerns (Mercenary, Companeros).

As for me...I like it all.
I certainly don't understand anybody who doesn't enjoy at least 60% of "Django". :P
 


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Jill on July 20, 2007, 10:37:52 AM
I loved it very much.  ;D
Three giants and two very good supporting actors. (The General and the Prof).
Lot of humour.
 ;D



Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: As The Palaces Burn on July 28, 2007, 03:08:48 PM
Just seen on play.com that Corbucci's 'Compañeros' is going to be released on DVD on the 31st of this month. I dunno if this is old news or not. I dunno what the situation is like in the states but I've been looking high and low for this for a long time over here in the UK and havent been able to get my hands on it. Finally! Unfortunately, it looks like its only gonna be done in a Region 1. But...c'est la vie.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 28, 2007, 03:16:53 PM
Just seen on play.com that Corbucci's 'Compañeros' is going to be released on DVD on the 31st of this month. I dunno if this is old news or not. I dunno what the situation is like in the states but I've been looking high and low for this for a long time over here in the UK and havent been able to get my hands on it. Finally! Unfortunately, it looks like its only gonna be done in a Region 1. But...c'est la vie.

Anchor Bay has had an R1 release for ages.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: As The Palaces Burn on July 29, 2007, 03:04:58 AM
Anchor Bay has had an R1 release for ages.

Oh right. I've looked on their recently and it didnt come up with any results. I'll have another look.   


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 29, 2007, 03:26:47 AM
Oh right. I've looked on their recently and it didnt come up with any results. I'll have another look.   

Great price I say
http://xploitedcinema.com/catalog/companeros-ntsc-region-release-p-12290.html


or...I would recommend...
http://xploitedcinema.com/catalog/once-upon-time-italy-spaghetti-westerns-p-5626.html
which comes with "VAMOS A MATAR COMPANEROS" and four other films.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: As The Palaces Burn on July 29, 2007, 01:04:37 PM
Sweet. Does xploited cinema post to the UK then? And if so, is there any additional charge? Sorry for all the questions guys.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 29, 2007, 01:17:17 PM
Sweet. Does xploited cinema post to the UK then? And if so, is there any additional charge? Sorry for all the questions guys.

xploited cinema must ship to the UK.

I remember when they were selling the UK edition of DYS there.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 29, 2007, 04:20:57 PM
Sweet. Does xploited cinema post to the UK then? And if so, is there any additional charge? Sorry for all the questions guys.

They ship anywhere.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Jill on July 30, 2007, 05:21:32 AM
Palance is COOL.  O0  That man... that Falcon... Tommy and his snake can go in the hell!  ;D


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: T.H. on September 20, 2007, 05:20:08 PM
In my humble opinion, this is Corbucci's best movie. I slightly prefer this over Silence, mainly for its screenplay. Milan at times was a bit too over the top, but overall I thought there was great chemistry between him and Nero. I think SC could have gone farther in terms of overall production design; that's probably my biggest gripe with all his films. I enjoyed this one quite a bit, although I wasn't particular fond of the last 5 mins, just a tad too silly for me, not much of a payoff. It's no DYS but it's probably my favorite non-Leone spaghetti.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: T.H. on September 20, 2007, 05:22:56 PM
oops, double post.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Novecento on December 09, 2009, 10:05:36 PM
I have a question about the name "El Vasco" of Milian's character ("v" pronounced as "b" in Spanish).

Now Milian wears a little beret throughout and is I think supposed to be of Basque descent. In Italian "Basco" means "beret" and also "Basque", while in Spanish "Vasco" only seems to mean "Basque" and not "beret" so the pun, if that is what is intended, doesn't seem to work ???


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: cigar joe on December 10, 2009, 05:43:54 AM
In my humble opinion, this is Corbucci's best movie. I slightly prefer this over Silence, mainly for its screenplay. Milan at times was a bit too over the top, but overall I thought there was great chemistry between him and Nero. I think SC could have gone farther in terms of overall production design; that's probably my biggest gripe with all his films. I enjoyed this one quite a bit, although I wasn't particular fond of the last 5 mins, just a tad too silly for me, not much of a payoff. It's no DYS but it's probably my favorite non-Leone spaghetti.

Have you seen "The Mercenary" yet?


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: SilenceSWDB on December 10, 2009, 10:41:32 AM
This is with no doubt one of my favorite Spaghs and really makes my top 3 SWs.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Novecento on December 10, 2009, 03:14:21 PM
It's a really good one, but I'd certainly at the very least put "The Great Silence" and "Il Mercenario" above it in my Corbucci rankings.

Now back to my Vasco question....


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Groggy on December 11, 2009, 09:57:49 AM
Have you seen "The Mercenary" yet?

It's fun but I wouldn't say it was a great movie.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: T.H. on December 11, 2009, 03:04:57 PM
Have you seen "The Mercenary" yet?

Yeah, I saw it on TCM a while back, good movie. I prefer this though.

TGS is my favorite, I don't know what I was smoking two years ago lol.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: cigar joe on December 11, 2009, 05:13:03 PM
It's fun but I wouldn't say it was a great movie.

Its more polished than Companeros


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Dust Devil on December 12, 2009, 02:19:18 AM
Very much so.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: cigar joe on December 12, 2009, 03:31:51 AM
You just wish you could combine the two into the ultimate Corbucci Zapata Western


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Banjo on December 12, 2009, 11:06:18 AM
Neither THE MERCENARY nor it's slightly lesser sequel aren't as groundbreaking but i'd still call it a classic sw and possibly the most enjoyable.  O0


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: stanton on December 12, 2009, 12:17:03 PM
For me The Mercenary is a masterpiece. Brilliantly directed with a complex narrative it is even a slightly bit better than TGS.

Companeros is a film I also love, because there is still brilliant material in it, but there are also considerable flaws. Less polished, less intelligent, more superficial and in parts circuitous compared to the TM.
And the acting is generally weaker. Nero is less confident, Milian and Palance are overdoing it, but Palance has at least his moments.
But the soundtrack is fantastic.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Dust Devil on December 13, 2009, 03:16:45 AM
For me Il mercenario is obviously the better movie (accent on ''movie''), while Vamos a matar, compañeros is only an entertaining flick (accent on ''flick''). IM works just fine as a movie in general (and is also a masterpiece of its sub-genre), I think any moviegoer will concord with this even if he/she doesn't like or know a thing about SWs or Sergio Corbucci. The excellent acting and directing are further enhanced by one of Ennio Morricone's most remarkable scores, making it one heck of a thrill ride, but not entirely mindless, that has you thinking from time to time. It certainly has it's flaws, but they are mostly benign and don't obstruct one's viewing experience that much. VAMC, on the other hand, seems to be just a flick made mostly to capitalize on the success of those previous movies, and this seems to be a general unwritten consensus of the whole crew (as Stanton wrote in the post above). It seems to be OK with everybody. It's still a pretty entertaining flick, but it doesn't fool me even once of being more serious than it shows, thus operating only as a fruit of the amusing excesses inherited to the sub-genre it belongs to.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: T.H. on December 13, 2009, 12:00:19 PM
I wouldn't label any Corbucci film a masterpiece because he was a guy who would show up on set at noon, and by most accounts, wasn't very dedicated to his craft. Honestly, it shows in his work and that's the reason for my previous statement. I'm not judging his value as a director based on anecdotes but everything I've seen from him is a bit lazy and unrealized in some instance or another. Even Silence has bad scenes, lighting and less than admirable interior set design. I have a lot of respect for SC, but he's closer to a Castellari (who I'm not slighting) than a Boetticher or Peckinpah. Maybe that's why I prefer Companeros to IM.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Groggy on December 13, 2009, 12:35:28 PM
I've only seen three Corbuccis so my opinion is qualified, but I would agree, he's not nearly on the level of Leone or Sollima. Whether it's his dedication to his craft (or lack thereof) or other reasons, his work seems fairly slight, though entertaining.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: stanton on December 14, 2009, 02:05:02 AM
No.

Corbucci was indeed a director who wasted his great talent. but he was the only SW director to rival Leone. And somehow in his mud and blood films a sort of anti-Leone. Only that it seems he was a lazy guy and let many of his ideas being softened or ruined by sloppiness.

In the end he only had his one great year and that was 68, in which he released his 2 true masterpieces TGS and IM. These films go visually and and conceptually far beyond Sollima, who was a good director but not a great one.
Django and Companeros (and to a lesser extent The Specialists) show still his brilliance, but both also are flawed films. In Django the 2nd half with the Mexicans is a bit disappointing and the 3 big shoot outs are a bit stiffl due tp the lame  cutting, not so damn good as in IM and Companeros. But nothing in Sollima's SWs could match e.g. the ending of Django and all the many other amazing scenes in his best films.

But Corbucci had also made many pretty bad films. That's for sure.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: SilenceSWDB on December 14, 2009, 01:47:14 PM
Corbucci could have been as famous as Leone or any other if he wanted it, that shows in for example Compañeros.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: stanton on December 14, 2009, 02:10:43 PM
Yeah, but Companeros also shows why he didn't became as famous.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Groggy on December 14, 2009, 02:24:32 PM
No.

Corbucci was indeed a director who wasted his great talent. but he was the only SW director to rival Leone. And somehow in his mud and blood films a sort of anti-Leone. Only that it seems he was a lazy guy and let many of his ideas being softened or ruined by sloppiness.

Great Silence and The Mercenary are good flicks that don't come anywhere near Leone's best work.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Dust Devil on December 15, 2009, 02:20:26 AM
Il grande silenzio is in fact a rather anti-Leonesque movie (you can follow the line: Ford - Peckinpah - Leone - Corbucci), while Il mercenario seems like a close buddy; maybe somewhat lower in quality but very friendly in concept and philosophy.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: cigar joe on December 15, 2009, 03:50:52 AM
Great Silence and The Mercenary are good flicks that don't come anywhere near Leone's best work.

They are definitely a notch below agreed.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: stanton on December 15, 2009, 05:53:32 AM
Great Silence and The Mercenary are good flicks that don't come anywhere near Leone's best work.

Oh, they do.

Not as good as GBU and OuTW though, but I prefer them to all the other Leone films.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: mike siegel on December 15, 2009, 09:15:47 AM
I just worked on the German Koch-Media DVD for IL MERCENARIO.
It'll be the best DVD-release yet!
In Rome they filmed Franco Nero, Vincenzoni and Nori Corbucci.
I'm afraid my booklet is in German.

I'll post more details soon..

(http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae15/peckinpah69/z-soundtrack-klein.jpg)



Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Groggy on December 15, 2009, 10:18:43 AM
Oh, they do.

Not as good as GBU and OuTW though, but I prefer them to all the other Leone films.

So basically you agree with me then.  :)


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Groggy on December 15, 2009, 10:19:28 AM
Il grande silenzio is in fact a rather anti-Leonesque movie (you can follow the line: Ford - Peckinpah - Leone - Corbucci

Fine, but that's no indicator of quality.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Dust Devil on December 15, 2009, 10:23:19 AM
Just an observation unrelated to others' opinion concerning its quality.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Groggy on December 15, 2009, 10:39:27 AM
Well you are quoting my post there.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: stanton on December 15, 2009, 12:08:09 PM
So basically you agree with me then.  :)

yep

The only western I value maybe (but only maybe) higher than OuTW is The Wild Bunch


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: stanton on December 15, 2009, 12:09:51 PM
Is there a Corbucci thread on this board?


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Novecento on December 15, 2009, 12:26:56 PM
I just worked on the German Koch-Media DVD for IL MERCENARIO.
It'll be the best DVD-release yet!
In Rome they filmed Franco Nero, Vincenzoni and Nori Corbucci.
I'm afraid my booklet is in German.

I'll post more details soon..

That's awesome news Mike  O0.

I am sorely tempted to part with my cash to replace my Japanese disc, however the guys over at the SWDB forum are saying that the extras will have no English subtitles  :(.

So how much influence do you have over those Koch guys then? ::)


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: SilenceSWDB on December 15, 2009, 12:33:01 PM
But there will be no English audio in the interviews  :'(.

Great Silence and The Mercenary are good flicks that don't come anywhere near Leone's best work.
Disagree, not a big fan of TM but TGS is one of my favorite SWs, I'd prefer it to the Leones.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Dust Devil on December 15, 2009, 01:10:10 PM
Well you are quoting my post there.

No I didn't, I just wrote after it. I hope we're not engaged at this point?


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: mike siegel on December 15, 2009, 03:48:19 PM
That's awesome news Mike  O0.

I am sorely tempted to part with my cash to replace my Japanese disc, however the guys over at the SWDB forum are saying that the extras will have no English subtitles  :(.

So how much influence do you have over those Koch guys then? ::)

Well the Disc is in the making right now and is already quite late thanks to ongoing  postponed interview appointments.
So I guess it's not so much the will but the lack of time then. Too bad. I didn't realize that. In fact I just translated three
westerns (for english subtitles) for them so I thought MERCENARIO was a sure thing for engl subs. :(
If it's really like that, a second edition might be the solution. If it sells as well as I think it will....


The doc will be pretty long, about an hour, with most principals involved:(http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae15/peckinpah69/02_ridimensionare.jpg)
(http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae15/peckinpah69/03_ridimensionare.jpg)(http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae15/peckinpah69/04_ridimensionare.jpg)(http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae15/peckinpah69/06_ridimensionare.jpg)(http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae15/peckinpah69/05_ridimensionare.jpg)


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: cigar joe on December 15, 2009, 04:34:58 PM
That sucks Mike, you'd think it should just be a given, why not do it with a mind at  maximization of potential audience/consumers.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: mike siegel on December 15, 2009, 06:20:17 PM
Anyone who was ever involved in DVD-production knows about the costs of translation & subtitling.
Thousands of Euros. So if they (Koch) ocassionally do it, I think it's merely a good will than going
for big business. How many guys outside of Germany are buying German DVD's even with engl. subs?

My experience after a decade now is that it is a really small number of aficionados. Nice to have them,
nice to spread your product around the world a tiny little bit. But the numbers sold are really marginal.
I'm facing the same experience right now with my PASSION & POETRY. Although the whole show
is all in English, it seems only Germans are buying it (because it's a German DVD. Seems like.). The film
got a fantastic review at DVDtimes.co.uk and over 1000 viewers checked that review. Nevertheless
since it went online exactly 5 people from the UK bought the film + one from Sweden.
http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content/id/71935/passion-and-poetry-the-ballad-of-sam-peckinpah.html


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: mike siegel on December 20, 2009, 05:19:08 AM
I guess I persuaded Koch-Media to go with englisch subtitles at the very last minute :)
I like these forums best when they really influence things.

I'll translate it next week... (The documentary - the main film has an english soundtrack anyway as I understand)
I'll be back with final confirmation and more details about the DVD soon..

(http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae15/peckinpah69/f-bel.jpg)


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: cigar joe on December 20, 2009, 04:59:02 PM
cool.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on December 22, 2009, 08:12:15 AM
Hey, that's great news!
I was under the impression that the dvd was already out, as I've been hearing about it for more than a year now.

With the doc (thankfully subtitled) I'll pick it up.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: dave jenkins on December 22, 2009, 04:47:23 PM
I've already got the Japanese DVD, so the only reason I would want this new one is for the interviews?


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: The Firecracker on December 23, 2009, 12:09:17 AM
I've already got the Japanese DVD, so the only reason I would want this new one is for the interviews?


Isn't there a full doc attached?


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Novecento on December 31, 2009, 08:24:14 AM
I guess I persuaded Koch-Media to go with englisch subtitles at the very last minute :)
I like these forums best when they really influence things.

I'll translate it next week... (The documentary - the main film has an english soundtrack anyway as I understand)
I'll be back with final confirmation and more details about the DVD soon..

That is truly great news! Thank you so much Mike!

 O0 O0 O0


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: mike siegel on December 31, 2009, 01:14:43 PM
I'm doing it right now. Quite nice. I never knew that Franco Nero had a serious crush
on Giovanna Ralli when he was young :)

I'll stop now and fire my Colt to say HELLO to the new year.
Only time in the year you can shot here without being chased by the fuzz :)

Happy New Year to everybody

and

VIVA MEXICO

(http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1612/7186524/13731420/204859988.jpg)


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: cigar joe on December 31, 2009, 01:31:39 PM
I'm doing it right now. Quite nice. I never knew that Franco Nero had a serious crush
on Giovanna Ralli when he was young :)

I'll stop now and fire my Colt to say HELLO to the new year.
Only time in the year you can shot here without being chased by the fuzz :)

Happy New Year to everybody

and

VIVA MEXICO

(http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1612/7186524/13731420/204859988.jpg)


Happy New Year to all


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: dave jenkins on July 18, 2014, 05:38:24 PM
Oct. 28th: http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=14510


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: T.H. on July 23, 2014, 02:04:55 PM
I don't know if I'll make the upgrade here. BU hasn't shown up for this format.

I'll probably buy it down the line when it's on sale.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: dave jenkins on July 23, 2014, 03:17:53 PM
Well, we'll have to see how the disc reviews.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: T.H. on July 24, 2014, 03:57:23 PM
I can't argue that, but I don't exactly have faith in BU.

I do need to admit that I'm ignorant to their entire process. Hopefully they get handed a great transfer, if that's the case.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Sundance on July 25, 2014, 06:32:06 AM
I don't know for sure but I think the problem is that basically almost all of their Italian stuff has been done by LVR in Italy and their scanning equipment sucks. The results vary a lot between the films but they would all look better if handled by some other lab with different (better) equipment. I don't know if BU doesn't realize the transfers suck or if they are forced to use LVR by the rights holders. Or if they care....

Reviewers who give good scores for the PQ for the releases are simply wrong.  :P

Inferno for example looks good but the scan was made in the USA.

Raro USA has the same kind of problems or actually maybe even worse. The Hanging For Django "new 2k scan from original negative" Blu is a fucking joke. They certainly don't seem to care. :P And fuck the reviews. ;) I don't know what lab they use but it wouldn't surprise me if its LVR. I can think of only like 3-4 releases from them that are good enough for me and the scans on all those were very likely handled by some other company and Raro just distributes the discs.

Arrow UK also used these shitty transfers in the beginning but they actually did something about that and are releasing quality now.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Jordan Krug on March 21, 2015, 12:27:45 PM
New Blu Ray of this looks pretty good, definitely worth the upgrade over dvd although not mind-blowing in terms of picture quality. This film has grown on me after a couple viewings although it's probably because I love "the Mercenary" so much and it's just reminding me of that....but it's a decent watch, gets a little bogged down in the politics but every time it does, they just have Franco Nero pick up a machine gun and all is right again. There's small moments of brilliance here and there but just as many moments where it seems they were just phoning it in. If you like this film then I recommend "the Mercenary", it's my fav spaghetti outside of Leone. (although only available as a Blu from Germany)

The commentary is ok...nothing particularly revelatory, but neither person commented worked on the film so I guess that's to be expected.

There's a small interview section carried over from DVD with Milan and Nero, and a bunch of trailers. Overall a decent release.



Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: stanton on March 21, 2015, 01:23:22 PM
New Blu Ray of this looks pretty good, definitely worth the upgrade over dvd although not mind-blowing in terms of picture quality. This film has grown on me after a couple viewings although it's probably because I love "the Mercenary" so much and it's just reminding me of that....but it's a decent watch, gets a little bogged down in the politics but every time it does, they just have Franco Nero pick up a machine gun and all is right again. There's small moments of brilliance here and there but just as many moments where it seems they were just phoning it in. If you like this film then I recommend "the Mercenary", it's my fav spaghetti outside of Leone. (although only available as a Blu from Germany)




I completely agree. There is some brilliant stuff in Companeros mixed with some pretty lazy storytelling. And Morricone's score is a beauty too.

The Mercenary is the 3rd best Spaggie, behind OUTW and GBU of course. Closely followed by The Great Silence.


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: cigar joe on March 21, 2015, 03:00:28 PM
I like it a lot also.  O0 O0 O0


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: dave jenkins on September 22, 2016, 01:18:21 PM
I won't be purchasing this set, but others on this board might be interested: https://www.amazon.de/Companeros-Sonderedition-limitierte-4er-Disc-beidseitig/dp/B01KFV04WC/ref=pd_sim_14_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=EA8S9W0B9XQ3X3MRN7NN


Title: Re: Vamos a matar, compañeros aka Companeros (1970)
Post by: Novecento on September 23, 2016, 05:09:48 PM
some cause for concern here:

https://www.spaghetti-western.net/index.php/Vamos_a_matar,_compa%C3%B1eros/BluRay