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General Information => Sergio Leone News => Topic started by: Leonardo on June 26, 2018, 06:45:40 AM
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It was announced yesterday that Cinémathèque Française together with Cineteca di Bologna (which has been involved with all the major restoration projects of Sergio Leone films) have organized a big exhibition in Paris called "C'era una volta Sergio Leone". The exhibition will start on October 10th 2018 and will last until January 27th 2019.
Sofar I could only find the Italian announcement:
http://www.ansa.it/canale_viaggiart/it/notizie/bellezza/2018/06/25/cinema-di-sergio-leone-mostra-a-parigi_247a56e8-55a1-4dcf-a0be-8758c62966f9.html
During that exhibition, Sir Christopher Frayling will present his new book "Sergio Leone's revolution"
Incidentally, tonight there will be a special screening in Bologna for the 50th anniversary of OUTITW on the main square Piazza Maggiore. Frayling will also be present.
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During that exhibition, Sir Christopher Frayling will present his new book "Sergio Leone's revolution"
Does anyone know anything else about this new book?
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I've never heard about any of this (book or exhibition) but I'll sure go to the Cinematheque in october.
There isn't anything on their website yet: http://www.cinematheque.fr/
(except for a Sergio Corbucci retrospective in july)
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Not heard of this book. His Once Upon a Time in the West book is out in October so seems strange that he would have two out.
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Not heard of this book. His Once Upon a Time in the West book is out in October so seems strange that he would have two out.
The article mentions that the book is by Frayiling and Gian Luca Farinelli, director of the Cineteca di Bologna and the man who is behind all the Leone movies restoration process.. So it could well be that Farinelli did the legwork and writing and that Frayling is just some sort of a "sponsor"...
Still in the article, according to Farinelli, Leone once told him that he learned more in a few weeks working with Vittorio De Sica then in all the subsequent years he worked as an assistant director with great american directors.
Still the article mentions how knowledgeable Leone was about firearms and that he knew even the slightest differences in the various Colt models; he hired a craftsman called Aldo Uberti from Brescia specialized in reproducing old firearms who provided the guns that Leone requested.
See: http://www.ubertireplicas.com/
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I'd say to attend if you can. I attended similar exhibition in Los Angeles at the Autry Museum maybe about 2005, was very good, seems like ages ago. Even the original poncho, outfit, revolvers were there (Clint Eastwood has those).
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The article mentions that the book is by Frayiling and Gian Luca Farinelli, director of the Cineteca di Bologna and the man who is behind all the Leone movies restoration process.. So it could well be that Farinelli did the legwork and writing and that Frayling is just some sort of a "sponsor"...
It also says "a cura di" (edited by) and has Farinelli first billed (although that could just be for alphabetical reasons).
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So. The exhibition starts in a few days now, and we have more details about it and everything that happens around it.
Pictures of the program for more details (rank them by "name" to read the full thing in the right order):
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1T6wZ-St8ila6exsCMjJ1YeAKAwqjij-Z?usp=sharing
A few highlights:
La Révolution Sergio Leone
The catalog of the exhibition. "A collective book under the direction of Gian Luca Farinelli and Christopher Frayling". It includes critical analysis, interviews with collaborators and filmmakers as well as documents from the Cineteca di Bologna.
Sergio leone, une Amérique de légende
A new 52min documentary by Jean-François Giré that will be released on Arte and Arte.tv.
Once Upon A Time In Italy
One hour conference by Frayling, after a screening of FAFDM (the film was chosen by Frayling).
Sergio Leone: à la recherche du temps rêvé
Another conference, by Jean-François Rauger, followed by a screening of DYS (also selected by Rauger).
Ennio Morricone restrospective
Maybe even a masterclass.
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sounds awesome!
if there are any books/programs in English, please get an extra one for me :)
I hope the Frayling speech is filmed and posted online
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sounds awesome!
if there are any books/programs in English, please get an extra one for me :)
I hope the Frayling speech is filmed and posted online
I will!
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The Los Angeles Leone exhibition (about 2006) was great; I recommend all those with a chance to attend should not miss this. That one even had Eastwood's outfit and pistols; I believe Clint was there on opening night. Even musician/spaghetti film whistler Alessandro Alessandroni was there (he died in 2017).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uFlE1cO8Fc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn7MEBm1Ofc
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The Los Angeles Leone exhibition (about 2006) was great; I recommend all those with a chance to attend should not miss this. That one even had Eastwood's outfit and pistols; I believe Clint was there on opening night. Even musician/spaghetti film whistler Alessandro Alessandroni was there (he died in 2017).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uFlE1cO8Fc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn7MEBm1Ofc
Thanks for those links
here is a longer version of one of the vids you posted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5VtS8KBDN8 (music starts around 00:50)
and here is another good one of Alessandroni https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSx-eBQJ9r8
The first minute is Morricone speaking, then the music begins. Can any of our Italian friends here translate what Morricone is saying?
Also, does anyone know if Alessandroni wrote any of the Leone-film music himself? Or did he just play guitar and whistle to the melodies/notes composed by Morricone?
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Review (in french) + pics of the exhibit: https://www.digitalcine.fr/cinema/news-cinema/37909-il-etait-une-fois-sergio-leone-exposition-a-la-cinematheque/#more-37909
I'm going on sunday so I'll get to see the Frayling talk and get him to sign my Something to do with Death copy as well as the catalog.
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Review (in french) + pics of the exhibit: https://www.digitalcine.fr/cinema/news-cinema/37909-il-etait-une-fois-sergio-leone-exposition-a-la-cinematheque/#more-37909
I'm going on sunday so I'll get to see the Frayling talk and get him to sign my Something to do with Death copy as well as the catalog.
Don't forget the T-shirt!
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Don't forget the T-shirt!
I'll ask for a "OUAT SERGIO LEONE - Paris, 2018" tattoo on my whole back.
So, I'll probably get to ask Frayling a few questions (at least one during the talk and one during the signing, which is actually the whole point of getting stuff signed) so if you guys have questions you want Frayling to answer, shoot them here, I'll do what I can.
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"Have you ever been to the Sergio Leone Web Board? If so, who is your favorite member?"
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Also this looks amazing, really hoping it finds its way to NY.
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Also this looks amazing, really hoping it finds its way to NY.
Amen.
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or we can find our way to Paris ...
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or we can find our way to Paris ...
If you can guarantee me an Eiffel-Tower-free experience, I'll go.
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If you can guarantee me an Eiffel-Tower-free experience, I'll go.
Easy : there is absolutely nothing to do in the 15th arrondissement (where the Eiffel Tower is). Nobody ever goes there except for tourists. If anything, you will see the Eiffel Tower more often in any American film that has ONE scene in Paris than the usual Parisian does in a full week.
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I remember that photographs were not allowed to be taken at the Leone Exhibition in 2006. Maybe now with phone cameras everywhere that cannot be controlled so readily....
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Not a single question apart from the one Drink wrote me on WhatsApp? I’m on my way to the talk right now.
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Not a single question apart from the one Drink wrote me on WhatsApp? I’m on my way to the talk right now.
Ask about that film idea A Place Only Mary Knows (I think That is the title), was it just a treatment or something more.
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Sorry NL only just saw your posts re Paris
It would have interesting to find out the latest with OUATIA Directors Cut
Re the previous restoration work why was the film pulled?
Did the Leone estate actually realise that the results of the restoration work would be so poor?
Why were the other scenes missing?
Is further restoration work happening?
Is their legal problems with further restoration & the extra scenes?
Who actually owns the movie? Is it A Michan, WBs or the Leone Estate?
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So, I went there, it was great, FAFDM looked great on the big screen, the place was packed, Frayiling was very friendly. There wasn’t any question time but during the signing of the books (he signed my something to do with death and once upon a time in Italy copies as well as two copies of the catalog - he also wrote lines from the Leone movies) I got to talk a bit with him, I introduced myself as a member of this board and told him we have questions for him. He gave me his email address and told me we’d keep in touch.
So here we are. We can list a few questions and ask him.
Also, the talk was filmed so the cinematheque will probably upload it at some point. It was a 90min talk, Frayling spoke in English and there was live translation. A first part of the talk consisted in Frayling explaining the different ways he sees Leone as an author (if someone is interested, I took some notes) and the second part was a Powerpoint presentation mainly based on Leone's biography, influences and many little stories. I don't think there was anything particularly new but it was interesting to see Frayling go personal (personal taste, ideas and many "when I talked to Leone/Vincenzoni/DeNiro/that festival jury member/..., he said..." stories). Frayling also showed us a few clips:
- the new BTS/alternative shots for FoD
- the crane shot above the station in OUATITW (Frayling's personal favorite use of image and music in history)
- GBU's triello
A big highlight of the talk was when Frayling's chair unsuspectingly collapsed under him, which resulted in a funny slapstick scene. He was laughing very hard because of that and saved the day by concluding "A true Leone moment", with which he won the room.
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Sounded fab NL😉👍
Regards questions to Frayling
for me just really what I posted earlier re latest on OUATIA restoration work/on extra scenes
Thanks again
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Thanks for your report noodles. Seems it was a great day. Did he mention his new OUATITW book. It was supposed to be out now but I found out it won't be out until next March/ April.
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Yeah, the OUATIA questions are the ones that are on the top of my list too.
He didn't say anything about his upcoming book. I wanted to ask about it. I will in the mail.
So so far we have:
- What about the OUATIA restauration?
- What about the OUTITW book?
- How complete was the A Place Only Mary Knows project?
I still need to see the exhibit (I'm doing everything I can to see it this week but I may have to wait for another week), I may have new questions afterwards.
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Yeah, the OUATIA questions are the ones that are on the top of my list too.
He didn't say anything about his upcoming book. I wanted to ask about it. I will in the mail.
So so far we have:
- What about the OUATIA restauration?
- What about the OUTITW book?
- How complete was the A Place Only Mary Knows project?
I still need to see the exhibit (I'm doing everything I can to see it this week but I may have to wait for another week), I may have new questions afterwards.
I believe that "A Place Only Mary Knows" is discussed in STDWD - I wouldn't ask about something that is already mentioned in the book.
I'd also ask about DYS audio discrepancies. The final music, etc.
And ask when his book is REALLY coming out :)
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Has he heard anything about Giuseppe Tornatore's plans to make "Leningrad" which seem to have been floating around for years now.
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What does he think about the original yet unreleased theatrical versions of GBU and OUTW?
If he has any influence on the different right-holders of both films, then there would be a lot more questions like:
Why it is for Paramount not even possible to reconstruct the correct music for the closing scene of OUTW?
What does he think about the inclusion of the Rising scene in OUTW and of the Grooto scene in GBU?
etc, etc ...
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What does he think about the inclusion of the Rising scene in OUTW and of the Grooto scene in GBU?
Let's rephrase that to...
Do you have any idea what on earth Martin Scorsese and John Kirk were thinking when they left the "rising scene" in OUATITW and the "grotto" scene in GBU respectively?
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Let's rephrase that to...
Do you have any idea what on earth Martin Scorsese and John Kirk were thinking when they left the "rising scene" in OUATITW and the "grotto" scene in GBU respectively?
The rising scene was in Leone's personal print, which he gave to Scorsese. It's not what was released in theatres in 68 but he probably went by what was in the print.
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The rising scene was in Leone's personal print,
Was it? Did Scorsese say that?
But I'm sure the wrong closing music was not in that print.
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https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/085618-000-A/il-etait-une-fois-sergio-leone-a-l-ouest-la-revolution/
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https://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/085618-000-A/il-etait-une-fois-sergio-leone-a-l-ouest-la-revolution/
Very, very, very Thank You.
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Can we ask Frayling if he's ever been to the filming site in Monument Valley?
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The rising scene was in Leone's personal print, which he gave to Scorsese. It's not what was released in theatres in 68 but he probably went by what was in the print.
Was it? Did Scorsese say that?
Yes - where did you read that? Regardless, narrative aside, the editing clearly shows that the rising scene was not supposed to be there and the transition was supposed to be straight to the McBain ranch.
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Drink has posted this link of Frayling speaking this year in Bologna: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzs5Ngmuel8
In this talk he mentions that OUATITW references 35 Westerns. In Something To Do With Death, though, I think he only mentioned 30 (though not listingh them all). I can't help wondering what the five additional Westerns might be . . . .
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Yes - where did you read that? Regardless, narrative aside, the editing clearly shows that the rising scene was not supposed to be there and the transition was supposed to be straight to the McBain ranch.
Leone interview in Diego Gabutti's "C'era una volta in America" (page 37) , when he talks about OUTITW: "People very often ask me whether my personal print of the movie contains scenes which had not been added in the final theatrical release" he said grinning "You see? It's like everybody wants me to add a little piece to it..!"
But I think the definite answer about missing scenes in OUTITW is in Franco Ferrini's book "L'antiwestern e il caso Leone" published in 1971. There is a part of an interview with Leone dedicated to cuts and missing scenes of all his westerns, and concerning OUTITW Leone says (page 42): "The scene with the laundry owner's wife and the sheriff is missing, another one in the barbershop, which was particularly funny" The interviewer then asks about the massacre scene (Morton's train) and Leone says: "No, that one I left out on purpose, it was more important to show the result rather than how it happened".
On page 43 Ferrini writes: "It should be kept in mind that Leone's personal print is slightly longer than the theatrical release. It has two scenes which were not added. The first one showing Harmonica rising after being wounded at the train station. This scene was not in the original script and we publish now the description based on Leone's personal print. The second one is about Brett McBains hunting scene with his son Timmy; it's much longer and detailed compaired to the commercial release.
Now we look at an interview with Scorsese - where he says Leone gave him his personal print of the film:
When did you meet Sergio Leone for the first time?
It was at Cannes in 1976, during a dinner at the Oasis, the year when Taxi Driver was competing. There was Costa-Gavras, Sergio Leone, both members of the jury, I, Robert De Niro, Paul Schrader, the screenwriter of Taxi Driver, Jodie Foster, Michael and Julia Phillips, producers of the film. Paul Schrader had toasted Leone to thank him for having toured with Once Upon a Time in the West one of the greatest westerns in cinematic history. We had arrived two days earlier in Cannes and depression we had earned. Tennessee Williams, the jury foreman, told the press he did not like at all Taxi Driver, he was too violent. At dinner, Sergio Leone and Costa-Gavras told us they liked the film. We thought Taxi Driver could still win a prize, perhaps for his screenplay, or its actors. But it took the Palme d'Or! And that is thanks to Sergio Leone.
How has your relationship with him?
I lived partly in Rome between 1978 and 1981. I saw him regularly. Particularly at a luncheon at his home December 31, 1979. I met his wife, his family, met the set designer Dante Ferretti, with whom I will work later on The Age of Innocence, Casino, Kundun, Gangs of New York, Aviator and Hugo Cabret. He knew how much I loved Once Upon a Time in the West, he gave me his copy of the film. It is this copy that I projected in 1980 Film Festival in New York. It was the first time I spoke publicly about the crucial issue of the preservation of films, and more specifically the question of color, which happens if the coils are not kept properly. When Sergio Leone came to New York, I offered to come to dinner with my parents who still lived on the Lower East Side in a building without elevator. We went with Elio Petri (the director of The Working Class Goes to Heaven, Golden Palm at Cannes in 1972). He especially liked the Sicilian cooking from my mother, very different from Roman cuisine to which he was accustomed. And my mother was sensitive to his knife and fork!
So it is fair to assume, Scorsese was working under the assumption that his print was the correct version since it was given to him by Leone, but as we can see it was not the theatrical release.
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Thanks for the references :)
On page 43 Ferrini writes: "It should be kept in mind that Leone's personal print is slightly longer than the theatrical release. It has two scenes which were not added. The first one showing Harmonica rising after being wounded at the train station....
I suppose Leone's personal print of GBU might well have had the grotto scene included too since it was shown at the premiere before being removed. Personally I think that the "rising scene" being in the personal print of OUATITW that Scorsese received is not reason enough to include it without any option to watch the film without it. Presumably it was Leone who decided that audiences should not see that scene theatrically just as he had decided to remove the grotto scene from GBU.
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Yes, I agree with you. The 1968 release cut should be the standard.
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Thanks for the references :)
I suppose Leone's personal print of GBU might well have had the grotto scene included too since it was shown at the premiere before being removed. Personally I think that the "rising scene" being in the personal print of OUATITW that Scorsese received is not reason enough to include it without any option to watch the film without it. Presumably it was Leone who decided that audiences should not see that scene theatrically just as he had decided to remove the grotto scene from GBU.
If you want to watch the movie without that scene, it’s simple: as soon as the four people are shot, click “next chapter“ and it take you to the next scene :)
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On page 43 Ferrini writes: "It should be kept in mind that Leone's personal print is slightly longer than the theatrical release. It has two scenes which were not added. The first one showing Harmonica rising after being wounded at the train station. This scene was not in the original script and we publish now the description based on Leone's personal print. The second one is about Brett McBains hunting scene with his son Timmy; it's much longer and detailed compaired to the commercial release.
So it is fair to assume, Scorsese was working under the assumption that his print was the correct version since it was given to him by Leone, but as we can see it was not the theatrical release.
And here is already the problem, the McBain scene is the same in all versions. It's one of those which are not longer in the 178 min ital. version. Nor in any other version we know. No, one has to ask Scorsese why this alternative version of the Blu is like it is.
I also want to recap that there is a German guy who has watched OUTW in the early 80s twice in Bologna in a normal cinema (not at a film festival), and claims that he saw there the long version, but without the rising scene. Which would then have been a 175 min version, which correspondents with the runtime of the Anica.it site.
I think Leone's personal print is the 178 min version which was refurbished in the 90s. Ans since then released in Italy as DC.
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And here is already the problem, the McBain scene is the same in all versions. It's one of those which are not longer in the 178 min ital. version. Nor in any other version we know.
Yeh -what's that about?
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Soooo:
Masterclass by Jean François Rauger (who works at the Cinematheque): https://vimeo.com/299223881
Frayling's masterclass: https://vimeo.com/295824882
Sergio Leone, Inspirations (English Version): https://vimeo.com/293567570
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Yeh -what's that about?
There is a one second difference between some versions when the girl is at the well. But that's unrelated to the supposed extended hunting. Its possible that scene was censored in certain markets with the birds being shot.. maybe that's why the author felt it was longer. Just a theory.
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Soooo:
Masterclass by Jean François Rauger (who works at the Cinematheque): https://vimeo.com/299223881
Frayling's masterclass: https://vimeo.com/295824882
Sergio Leone, Inspirations (English Version): https://vimeo.com/293567570
Fantastic!
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Soooo:
Masterclass by Jean François Rauger (who works at the Cinematheque): https://vimeo.com/299223881
Frayling's masterclass: https://vimeo.com/295824882
Sergio Leone, Inspirations (English Version): https://vimeo.com/293567570
Great. Thanks for posting these.
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Exhibition Coming To Rome:
https://variety.com/2019/biz/global/sergio-leone-1203211222/
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Exhibition Coming To Rome:
https://variety.com/2019/biz/global/sergio-leone-1203211222/
Thanks
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My Pleasure 😉
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Sergio Leone Rome Exhibition Info.
https://www.wantedinrome.com/whatson/sergio-leone-exhibition-in-rome.html
http://www.arapacis.it/en/node/1005903
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As one who saw same/similar in Los Angeles at the Autry Museum, I'd say don't miss this one !
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I’m going to Rome again next year Cusser
will definitely be visiting the exhibition (can’t wait)
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I wonder if Clint Eastwood will loan his outfit for the Leone Rome show, like he did with the L.A. exhibition?
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https://video.repubblica.it/edizione/roma/c-era-una-volta-sergio-leone-in-mostra-i-segreti-del-maestro-degli-spaghetti-western/350388/350964?ref=RHPPRT-BS-I0-C4-P1-S1.4-T1
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I watched the linked video; that shows a poncho on a stand in the corner, I think that would be a replica. In Los Angeles exhibition, the entire outfit was there including boots, snake revolvers, hat, and was all enclosed in a glass case for safekeeping.
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It looks like the exact same exhibition that was in Paris not so long ago, the poncho was a replica.