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Title: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Danny on October 27, 2004, 06:14:16 AM
Anyone seen this movie? It's with Charles Bronson and also filmed at Almeria, Spain I read on the Internet.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Cusser on October 27, 2004, 08:53:12 AM
Yeah, at theater a zillion years ago; it wasn't memorable to me at the time.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Danny on October 28, 2004, 03:06:34 AM
Someone else knows this movie? Maybe Ramon?


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: cigar joe on October 28, 2004, 04:56:54 AM
I saw it a long time ago too, don't remember much about but would give it a viewing again if I find it.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Danny on January 16, 2005, 11:46:39 AM
Saw this movie yesterday and it's filmed in beautifull Almeria, Spain for sure. Anyone knows this area? :)

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Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: The Smoker on January 16, 2005, 12:00:37 PM
(http://img78.exs.cx/img78/5831/image00976kw.jpg)

Havnt seen the movie but.. Hell that looks like the Sweetwater Ranch from OUATITW!

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Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Ramon on January 16, 2005, 02:18:11 PM

Yes, its the same location.

So Harmonica did return!



Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: KERMIT on January 16, 2005, 06:33:47 PM
cool. you gotta be on your toes to catch spaghetti similarities . just as in the sweetwater ranch poping up in chato's land which i avoided but will now check out. i was watching ACE HIGH and low and behold another shocker. it was timmy's ghost from OUATITW,  or a facsimile thereof. shades of suspention of disbelief  :o  the lil whipersnapper pops up like a redheaded target.  made me feel good to know timmy was alive and well.....and earning a living as an extra on the ACE HIGH set, which also brags screaming babys 10, no 100 times worse than the baby jesus.
incessant infant sniveling so bad i had trpuble making out wallach's lines during one scene. i'm just glad as hell timmy' ok and still with us.  ;D 



Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: cigar joe on January 16, 2005, 06:57:14 PM
Not just timmy but his whole family, lol, minus Frank Wolff.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Belkin on January 22, 2005, 12:33:54 PM
Anyone seen this movie? It's with Charles Bronson and also filmed at Almeria, Spain I read on the Internet.

I love CHATO'S LAND. No classic but a fine humdinger. Great beer n' popcorn double bill if you pair it with RED SUN. Yup, a good night's roamin' thru the wild west!


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: The Smoker on January 26, 2005, 02:30:08 PM
Not just timmy but his whole family, lol, minus Frank Wolff.

arrh. Timmy 'Bambadabambam'

Its quite disturbing in Ace High, ..they look just the same. Almost like they were put into storage and wheeled and lined up for the scene. Not that I indorse putting extras in tea crates for easy warehouse storage.  ;D



Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Belkin on June 01, 2005, 03:17:31 PM
A MICHAEL WINNER western with BRONSON gets a showing next weekend on BBC2. CHATO'S LAND.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: The Smoker on June 02, 2005, 03:25:34 AM
Always wanted to see this one. Sweetwater Ranch makes an appearance from what screenshots ive seen.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Le Bon on June 02, 2005, 11:06:32 AM
Thanks for that Belkin. I will have to watch this again now that you mentioned the appearance of Sweetwater. I remember seeing  it when BBC1 used to show quite a few  westerns in their Mon 9.25pm movie slot and only knew it was made in Spain.



Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: jerkface on June 02, 2005, 02:16:55 PM
Michael Winner is hardly a favorite director of mine. It's Bronson that really makes the Bronson/Winner movies watchable. A lot of people like Death Wish, myself included. But for my money, Chato's Land and The Mechanic are Winner's best films.

Using the same location and actor isn't enough to make Chato's Land worthy of comparison to OUATITW. That said, it's still good. Bronson has about 3 lines in the whole movie. When he's not talking, he's killing. And showing off his physique in a sporty loin cloth. That's why he's Bronson. As far as 60's/70's action stars, he's the most capable of kicking your ass. Speaking of old ass kickers, Jack Palance seems a little underused in Chato's Land. I was really hoping to see him and Bronson kick the tar out of each other. Talk about a couple of craggy faced old men.

About that location in OUATITW/Chato's Land... wasn't that house built from the leftover lumber of an Orson Welles film?

You Brits are lucky to have such good tv stations. Television in the states is awful. They just show Pretty Woman for three nights in a row. Or Anaconda. It seems like they play a lot of westerns on AMC, or BBC2 as it were.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Poggle on June 02, 2005, 03:27:32 PM
You're such a jerkface :-P

They hardly even play good stuff on Comcast's Western Channel. Just Gene Autry all day.

You'd think American movies or movies about America would get better time on TV... :-\


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: jerkface on June 03, 2005, 08:49:31 AM
You're such a jerkface :-P

They hardly even play good stuff on Comcast's Western Channel. Just Gene Autry all day.

You'd think American movies or movies about America would get better time on TV... :-\

Who you calling jerkface, jerkface!

What's Comcast? Where are you from?

Unfortunately, in America the media would like us to forget that there is an abundance of good films and music. Old and new, American or otherwise. You know what's strange? I only buy one magazine, and it's British. It's called UNCUT. It's more hip to American culture old and new than anything we have over here. It's sooo much better, it's ridiculous. I hate American magazines. Rolling Stone is the biggest crap rag, and it always has been. They were always poseur hippies, now they're rich poseur hippies. I wonder if UNCUT is considered a crap rag over there. If that's the case, what do you guys read? Bizarro! :o


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Marco Leone on June 04, 2005, 02:49:18 PM
Well, I think I may video it.  I'm sold on the fact it was filmed in Almeria.  I saw the name "Winner" earlier, and thought I'd give it a miss.  But maybe it deserves a viewing.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: redyred on June 05, 2005, 05:00:35 AM
"Calm down dear, it's only a colt!"  ;)

(Apologies for a very UK joke)


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Marco Leone on June 05, 2005, 05:17:19 AM
Haha, yeah those adverts did little to endear him to me further!


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: The Smoker on June 06, 2005, 04:38:16 AM
About that location in OUATITW/Chato's Land... wasn't that house built from the leftover lumber of an Orson Welles film?

That antidote was connected to the building of the station. Something to do with the planks in the Platform...  But maybe the Ranch too.

The film suffers in its creeky dialogue in places. Very much somebody spouting there knowledge of the west in the script. Dosn't sit well in better parts of the film. I've always found it quite disturbing how Winner can't make it through a film with out a scene of rape or the atempt of.... but this always answered with some rough justice. But here it tends to serve the film quite well as Bronsons game becomes more deadly.

*Spoilers below*
One thing that made quite a impression on me. The abrupt ending of Chato's Land is quite effective. The Relentless 'hunters hunted' idea goes up a gear after Palance takes a bow. The 2 men left standing (Irish Religious figure & the Scotch lad ) seemed to be objecting or sitting on the side lines of most of the bad things that happen in the film. Most films would moraly let them live maybe after a scalding.
So this gives the film a unique impact in its closing chapter. More in the feel of Horror movies. Charactors being picked off one by one. And ultimately not knowing what will be the outcome of the last of Chato's (Bronson's) prey. A cheap trick but a effective.  ;)   


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Danny on June 07, 2005, 11:41:58 AM
http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1340.0

Some info


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Marco Leone on June 07, 2005, 01:22:03 PM
http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1340.0

Some info

Cheers for sharing that Danny.  I will def watch it, now that I have seen the ol' OUTITW ranch is in it, and all that beautiful Almeria countryside.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: jerkface on June 10, 2005, 01:48:29 PM
Cheers for sharing that Danny.  I will def watch it, now that I have seen the ol' OUTITW ranch is in it, and all that beautiful Almeria countryside.

Oh, Don't get your hopes up. It doesn't look half as beautiful in Chato's Land. I don't know, call me crazy, but a Michael Winner film is a poor substitute for a Sergio Leone film. I dunno, I guess it's just me...


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: cigar joe on August 19, 2006, 10:04:32 AM
You Know, I finally caught up with this again today MGM DVD, and in my earlier post I think I go it confused with Unzana's raid with Burt Lancaster, "Apache" with Burt Lancaster, and "Tell Then Willie Boy is Here" with Robert Blake. I don't remember this flick.

They have the same sort of situational sequences, but the story lines are different.

Chato's Land (1972) Dir. Michale Winner. Charles Bronson, Jack Palance, and a stable of very familiar character and TV actors,  Richard Basehart, Simon Oakland, Ralph Waite, and Victor French.

Shot in Almeria, with familiar landscapes, and some new ones. The setting is either West Texas or New Mexico, it never specifies, but there may be clues in the townsequences that I haven't caught.

Its that subcategory of Western that you'd call  a chase/manhunt.

Bronson looking cool as a half breed Apache Pardon Chato is acosted by a white sherrif in a saloon who says basicall in close to these words "no red niggers alowed to drink in here". Chato ignores the man. He moves around behind a stoic Chato and pulls his gun but Chato spins around and drops him. Chato leaves town.

The leading citizens of the town (Texas Hollywood) get ex Confederate Captain Quincey Whitmore to gather up some of his former soldiers and able men from the local ranches to hunt down Chato and hang him.

Plalance who dons his old CSA uniform tunic and hat out of a trunk is great in this role, he turns from a deterimed pursuer to a man concerened for his men once Chato turns the table on him, he is hampered by the blood lust of Jubal Hooker (Simon Oakland) who's blinded by revenge.

This film does a good job of depicting Natives and living off the land in desert environment. I thoroughly enjoyed the film. Its brutal and violent and unfortunately the R1 version is cut of a rape, and a shot through the hand from what I've heard. But its still that good and Bronson is impeccabe.

If you are going to collect Bronson Westerns these are my picks so far, OUTITW, Villa Rides, Red Sun, Chato's Land.

Fieldings score is adequate, but this is one aspect that probably 95% of Westerns suffer from.

Light years better than Shalako, it remindes me of "The Hunting Party" that I also picked up recently, thumbs up from me. 8)


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 19, 2006, 07:31:04 PM
Chato's Land is ok. Pretty slow in my opinion. It's more of a suspense flick then an actioner (which is what the trailer promised). It teeters between the Western and Horror genres. Think of Chato as being the alien in "Alien" and you have the idea of what this film is.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: cigar joe on August 19, 2006, 07:49:28 PM
Well remember its not a shootout film, and I think you have to refine your opinion and compare it to similar films in its sub genre, especially if your tastes are more shootout action oriented.

Like I stated its the  chase/manhunt subgenre, there are a lot of these out there in the AW land that are not very good,  this one is good and Bronson is pretty cool especially after he goes native dress.

The action is of a different nature. The killing of the horses by Chato is pretty brutal, the shots of the vultures eating them and the folks he's killed are great.

Who knows how much of it was sanitized for the R1. Chato's son is killed and his woman raped and staked out naked in descriptions that I've read about in other releases.

Other sub genres are the wagon train flicks, cowboy/cavalry/indian flicks,  the frontiersman sagas, the cattle rancher/homesteaders, the town bound flicks, the railroad flicks, etc.m etc. 





Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: titoli on August 19, 2006, 07:54:55 PM
I'd stake you know where the asses who keep butchering movies and get paid for it.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 19, 2006, 07:58:25 PM
Well remember its not a shootout film, and I think you have to refine your opinion and compare it to similar films in its sub genre.



Dont want to come off like a pain in the ass Joe but If I have to refine my opinion about "Chato's Land" perhaps it is best you refine your opinion on "Sabata". I recall you said that you were lead to believe that Sabata would not be what it actually was, a dopey but fun film, as I was lead to believe (by the trailers and word of mouth) that Chato's Land is a big action movie.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: cigar joe on August 19, 2006, 08:00:50 PM
Well were there directors cuts for different markets or did the studio do it, that's the question.

Has this one been available in Italia? and what version I wonder?  



Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: cigar joe on August 19, 2006, 08:05:03 PM
I guess it all depends on your definition of action, don't it?

It has the right action for its subgenre, and I don't remember the trailer showing shoot out after shootout.



Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 19, 2006, 08:07:54 PM
I guess it all depends on your definition of action, don't it?

It has the right action for its subgenre, and I don't remember the trailer showing shoot out after shootout.



most trailers dont. But word of mouth says otherwise.
Besides the trailer showed every action sequence in the entire film within the span of 3 minutes.
Sabata's trailer shows quite a bit of gadget action and is very tongue and cheek (just like the film).


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 19, 2006, 08:20:38 PM
Well remember its not a shootout film, and I think you have to refine your opinion and compare it to similar films in its sub genre, especially if your tastes are more shootout action oriented.

I like suspense westerns. I have no real preference. Hell I'm one of the few people here who thinks "The Beguiled" is amazing. But "Chato's Land" suspense scenes come off sloppy and boring. No tension is built. I just found myself waiting for Chato to make another appearence. Thats my take.

What sub genre can it be classified as ? suspense western? Have'nt seen to many of those...


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: cigar joe on August 19, 2006, 08:25:23 PM
Quote
But word of mouth says otherwise.

Meaning what, word of mouth say it has good action?

Perhaps word of mouth is based on the action of the subgenre which for this type of film is the correct one.

Doesn't the tag line say:

"What Chato's land doesn't kill Chato will"  ;)


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: cigar joe on August 19, 2006, 08:29:10 PM
Yes I'd say chase/manhunt suspense. The landscape and how Chato uses it to lure the "vigilates" into the trap is the other chatracter.

Here is an interesting comment from IMDb

It's a good euro western that has aged quite well. The U.S. edition is different from the European one : the rape scene was reshot with no nudity, the burning of Bronson's brother is far more violent and gory, some bloody close ups have been removed. The french DVD issued last year contains the "director's cut" and really is a better one. Same thing for another Michael Winner western from this period : "Lawman" in which the euro version shows more of Sheree North's breasts and much more blood. These are not really "director's cuts" per se, but alternative versions of the same film for different countries. Tarantino recently did that with "Kill Bill".



Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Sackett on August 21, 2006, 04:19:50 PM
Yep, Chato's Land is one of my favorites, mainly because of Bronson.  It already is in my western collection.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Banjo on August 22, 2006, 03:27:57 AM
Is Chato's Land Bronsons best performance in an American western?Other than this i've only seen him in the great Mag 7 and the mediocre Breakheart Pass.I've been considering getting Red Sun but there doesn't seem to be enough information about this to entice me-and it seems theres no widescreen dvd.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: cigar joe on August 22, 2006, 08:50:43 PM
Chato's land just may be his best performance as a star, Villa Rides is great too but he's not the main star, Red Sun I also liked very much and I believe it wasn't shot in widescreen but full matte like Barquero, anyway that is what I've discovered about it


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Banjo on August 23, 2006, 02:45:29 AM
Chato's land just may be his best performance as a star, Villa Rides is great too but he's not the main star, Red Sun I also liked very much and I believe it wasn't shot in widescreen but full matte like Barquero, anyway that is what I've discovered about it
Oh yes i forgot about Villa Rides-i taped it off the telly recently(must watch this soon) ;D .I also forgot about Bronson being disappointing as the bad guy in Guns For San Sebastian.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 31, 2007, 05:48:35 PM
Is this Charles Bronson film worth a look? It also stars Jack Palance. I'm thinking with these two stars, it can't be that bad.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Ramon on July 31, 2007, 05:53:15 PM
Not in the same league as Leone, but I quite like to watch it occasionally. Plus you get to see some familiar locations again like Sweetwater.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 31, 2007, 06:08:23 PM
Not in the same league as Leone


why should that count as a factor?



Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 31, 2007, 07:45:34 PM
Did you see it Firecracker?


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 31, 2007, 08:18:49 PM
Did you see it Firecracker?


Yes, it's okay. Nothing to rave about.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: cigar joe on July 31, 2007, 09:18:25 PM
I like it & own it,  its a "chase" Western but we already had a topic for this Tuc, your making extra work for Banjo, do a search first. ;)

My only complaint is its cut, the international release shows more violence.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 31, 2007, 09:24:52 PM
I like it & own it,  its a "chase" Western but we already had a topic for this Tuc, your making extra work for Banjo, do a search first. ;)

My only complaint is its cut, the international release shows more violence.

I did do a search cigar. Nothing came up for it. I actually searched twice. I dunno if something's wrong with the Search Engine.  ??? My apologies if it's true.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: cigar joe on July 31, 2007, 09:29:50 PM
I remember starting it, lol.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 31, 2007, 09:32:16 PM
I remember starting it, lol.

lol, well, I just did a search again and even my thread doesn't come up. Something's not right.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: cigar joe on July 31, 2007, 09:36:50 PM
I take that back I guess I didn't start it.

Danny did

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1340.0



Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 31, 2007, 09:38:21 PM
I take that back I guess I didn't start it.

Danny did

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1340.0



Wow, I wonder why it doesn't come up when I search myself? Should I just go and erase this topic then?


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: cigar joe on July 31, 2007, 09:51:29 PM
Or Banjo can I suppose.

Check the Euro -Other Western List/link topic its listed second.  O0


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 01, 2007, 01:04:51 AM
I like it & own it,  its a "chase" Western

I would describe it as a suspense flick.
Or a "hunt" flick.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Jill on August 01, 2007, 04:37:00 AM
Very good. I want to see it again...  O0

Yes, a thriller, more than western. Jack Palance was a very interesting charakter. I thought first he would be the villain, but he isn't. He has honour. Bronson is Bronson, the silent avenger, and good as always.  ;)


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: tucumcari bound on September 08, 2007, 02:39:37 PM
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO OWN THIS ON DVD.

When Bronson is speaking in indian tougue to his family and friends, is there supposed to be subtitles telling us what they're saying? My DVD has zero subtitles during these scenes and I'd like to know what they're saying.

Is this a mistake on the DVD, or did director Michael Winner do this purposely?


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: cigar joe on September 08, 2007, 08:11:21 PM
Don't remember will have to pop it in to make sure. I have heard that the international cut is a bit longer and a bit more explicit.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: tucumcari bound on September 08, 2007, 08:17:52 PM
Don't remember will have to pop it in to make sure. I have heard that the international cut is a bit longer and a bit more explicit.

Thanks cigar. I appreciate it!


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: cigar joe on September 08, 2007, 08:20:02 PM
give me a time range so I can go right to it O0


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: tucumcari bound on September 08, 2007, 08:51:34 PM
give me a time range so I can go right to it O0

There's a scene 48 minutes in when CHATO is talking to his indian friend. They have a convo and there's no subtitles.



Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: cigar joe on September 09, 2007, 11:35:16 AM
no subtitles on mine either


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: tucumcari bound on September 09, 2007, 03:50:55 PM
no subtitles on mine either

That's strange. Maybe it's done purposely to give us mystery about the characters.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: tucumcari bound on September 09, 2007, 07:18:02 PM
Chato's Land (1972) 7/10

Damn good western. Bronson again, cool as ice. I loved the tention running through this whole film. The ending shot is pretty amazing in my opinion. It says it all.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: tucumcari bound on September 09, 2007, 10:22:23 PM
Well, I finally finished it and I liked the film very much. It is very suspenceful and I like suspence in westerns. I think Winner missed it a bit here. This film could have been great if he developed the story a bit more. A stronger script would of helped. That aside, I still like the film very much and will watch it again for sure.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: cigar joe on September 10, 2007, 06:08:59 AM
remember we only saw the cut US release, not the international version


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: tucumcari bound on September 10, 2007, 09:07:29 AM
remember we only saw the cut US release, not the international version

Do you think we'll eventually get the extented version cigar?


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: cigar joe on September 10, 2007, 10:34:30 AM
no, unless it comes out in R2 same with "A Man Called Sledge"


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: tucumcari bound on September 10, 2007, 10:40:50 AM
no, unless it comes out in R2 same with "A Man Called Sledge"

I see. Well, hopefully it happens one way or another. How bout the last shot of the film when the camera is panning back revealing the last bandit with no where to run. Amazing in my opinion.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: cigar joe on September 10, 2007, 11:28:24 AM
it was cool


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Arizona Colt on August 08, 2008, 06:30:20 PM
Do you think we'll eventually get the extented version cigar?

The ENcore Western Channel has shown the international version before as well as this afternoon. The MGM dvd uses alternate scenes for the rape and burning scene. Haven't looked at the rest of it yet but the "uncut" UK dvd is complete save for seconds of horse falls. I don't really like this movie all that much but I will need to watch both to see any other differences aside from the ones mentioned above. Luckily, I made a DVD-R of the film today. I think it comes on again sometime tonight.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 08, 2008, 07:32:15 PM
The ENcore Western Channel has shown the international version before as well as this afternoon. The MGM dvd uses alternate scenes for the rape and burning scene. Haven't looked at the rest of it yet but the "uncut" UK dvd is complete save for seconds of horse falls. I don't really like this movie all that much but I will need to watch both to see any other differences aside from the ones mentioned above. Luckily, I made a DVD-R of the film today. I think it comes on again sometime tonight.

There's a lot I love about this film AC but at the same time, there's a lot I also hate. It has so much more potential. The film screams for it. Some characters didn't get the proper development that they should, particularly the Jack Palance character. For such a great actor, he was under-used. I still like the film overall but I shake my head at the potential greatness he could have been.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Arizona Colt on August 08, 2008, 07:42:08 PM
Actually, one of the reasons I sort of dislike this Sagebrush DEATH WISH is that too much time is spent on the annoying villains and their various schemes to either get Bronson or kill each other. Palance is underused though but this is supposed to be Bronson's movie and he doesn't really do anything through most of the movie. At times I even forgot he was in it. He also has something like a dozen lines of dialog. It would have been cool to have seen him share at least one searingly good dialog exchange with one of his attackers but nothing. This same story was done much better, IMO, a few years later in the low budget exploitation flick JOHNNY FIRECLOUD (1975) and that film featured some interesting death scenes for the antagonists unlike this film where Bronson kills less of the bad guys than they do each other. Even still, it's nice to see the alternate scenes not present in the MGM dvd released here.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 08, 2008, 07:47:35 PM
Actually, one of the reasons I sort of dislike this Sagebrush DEATH WISH is that too much time is spent on the annoying villains and their various schemes to either get Bronson or kill each other. Palance is underused though but this is supposed to be Bronson's movie and he doesn't really do anything through most of the movie. At times I even forgot he was in it. He also has something like a dozen lines of dialog. It would have been cool to have seen him share at least one searingly good dialog exchange with one of his attackers but nothing. This same story was done much better, IMO, a few years later in the low budget exploitation flick JOHNNY FIRECLOUD (1975) and that film featured some interesting death scenes for the antagonists unlike this film where Bronson kills less of the bad guys than they do each other. Even still, it's nice to see the alternate scenes not present in the MGM dvd released here.

I won't argue with you here AC. You make some great points and I agree with you for the most part. I have not seen the film "Johnny Firecloud" yet as I need too ASAP. It seems like a pretty good film from what I've read.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Arizona Colt on August 08, 2008, 07:54:01 PM
I used to have the Prism VHS but Something Weird released it to dvd some time back.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: titoli on April 08, 2010, 03:58:03 PM
I agree by and large with Fc's view of the movie. A movie like this should thrive on different ways to get rid of the members of the posse, should give an hint that Bronson might even lose in the end. But things are never in doubt here. i.e. there is no suspense. Still I give it 7\10 because of the main players and some no nonsense action.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: uncknown on August 10, 2010, 11:39:05 AM
A simple story well told.
check it out. O0

Does anyone know what was cut out of the US version of the film?


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: cigar joe on August 11, 2010, 03:52:50 AM
Some nudity, when they carry Chato's wife out of the hut, there is some full frontal slightly veiled by the shadow of a tree.


Title: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Spikeopath on February 24, 2017, 03:33:17 PM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066907/reference

Go then, and God mark you for the man you are.

Chato's Land is directed by Michael Winner and written by Gerry Wilson. It stars Charles Bronson, Jack Palance, James Whitmore, Simon Oakland, Richard Baseheart, Ralph Waite and Richard Jordan. Shot on location in Andalucia, Spain, with photography by Robert Paynter, it's musically scored by Jerry Fielding. Plot finds Bronson as half Apache, Pardon Chato, who is forced to kill the local sheriff in self defence and finds himself being hunted by a town posse led by Captain Quicey Whitmore (Palance). However, as the posse trail him into the wilderness it becomes apparent that the tables have been turned, with Chato given further cause to inflict harm upon his pursuers.

The first of six collaborations between Charles Bronson and Michael Winner, Chato's Land finds the pair setting the marker for what would define their work. With the Western genre going thru a resurgence, Chato's Land is very in-keeping with the type of Western that was being released in the early 70's: namely violent, uncompromising and certainly gritty. These things, as history now shows, were tailor made for Winner, who perfectly utilises Bronson's silent and brooding assets to great effect.

Often suspected to be an allegory of the United States' involvement in Vietnam, it's thematically correct in that respect. But the timing of the film would suggest this to not be the case. Chato's Land is more than just a revenge Western; a film about white men out of their usual terrain being pursued by a man of a different ethnicity, it wants to, and does quite well, be a picture dealing in racism, violence and the folly of hypocritical justice. But even tho Wilson's script brings these issues to light, they are not fully formed, with Winner at times dragging the film to a stand-still. However, the group dynamic is a good one, with the inevitable character differences creating a tinderbox waiting to ignite, while Winner doesn't skimp over the violence, puncturing the narrative with savage thrusts.

Bronson was 50 years old when making the film, his physicality here is very impressive. The role of Chato is hardly a stretch for him, in fact it's very much a perfect fit. He's basically asked to be a phantom in the landscape, but he casts an imposing presence each time he's called on to deliver some Chato justice. In pursuit are a mixed bunch of actors, with Palance, Whitmore and Baseheart the obvious professional standouts, while Simon Oakland leaves an indelible mark as grizzled father of the Hooker boys, Jubal. Fielding's (The Wild Bunch) score is efficient, but workmanlike, and Paynter's (Lawman) photography never really makes the landscape as imposing as it should be. Overall it's a mixed bag, but for fans of revenge type Westerns, and Palance, it's easy to recommend, but it still should have been more intelligent than it ultimately is. 7/10


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Spikeopath on February 24, 2017, 03:37:39 PM
It's not in the index mate. Was just about to PM you.


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: cigar joe on February 24, 2017, 03:41:49 PM
I PM'd you it's in the Other, Euro Western Index  O0


Title: Re: Chato's Land (1972)
Post by: Spikeopath on February 24, 2017, 03:43:34 PM
I PM'd you it's in the Other, Euro Western Index  O0

DOH!