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Title: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: PowerRR on January 03, 2019, 07:41:12 AM
This just popped up on Amazon via blu-ray.com

https://www.amazon.com/For-a-Few-Dollars-More-Blu-ray/dp/B07LD4P3BG?SubscriptionId=AKIAIY4YSQJMFDJATNBA&tag=bluray-016-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B07LD4P3BG&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

BRAND NEW 4K RESTORATION! Screen legends Clint Eastwood (Thunderbolt and Lightfoot) and Lee Van Cleef (Sabata) co-star as two rival bounty hunters who join forces to bring murderous bandit El Indio (Gian Maria Volontè, Face to Face) and his vicious gang of criminals to justice. But all is not as it seems in this hard-hitting second installment of Sergio Leone’s (The Good, the Bad and the Ugly) trilogy starring Eastwood as the famed “Man with No Name.” Music by legendary composer Ennio Morricone (A Fistful of Dynamite, The Mercenary) with a stellar cast that includes spaghetti western legends Mario Brega (A Fistful of Dollars), Luigi Pistilli (Death Rides a Horse), Aldo Sambrell (Navajo Joe) and Klaus Kinski (The Great Silence).

Special Features:
-BRAND NEW 2018 4K RESTORATION
-NEW Audio Commentary by Film Historian Tim Lucas
-NEW On location in Almería and Granada with Filmmaker Alex Cox
-Audio Commentary by Film Historian Sir Christopher Frayling
-FAFDM: The Christopher Frayling Archives
-A New Standard: Frayling on FAFDM
-Back for More: Clint Eastwood Remembers FAFDM
-Tre Voci: FAFDM | FAFDM: The Original American Release Version
-Location Comparisons
-NEW TRAILERS FROM HELL with Ernest Dickerson
-NEW Promoting FAFDM: Posters & Lobby Cards
-NEW FAFDM: On the Set
-NEW FAFDM: Color Stills
-NEW FOR A FEW Pictures MORE
-Newly Restored 2.0 Stereo / Original 2.0 Mono / 5.1 Surround
-12 Radio Spots
-Restored UA Logo
-Double Bill Trailer
-FAFDM Trailer 1
-FAFDM Trailer 2
-A Fistful of Dollars – Trailer
-The Good, the Bad and the Ugly – Trailer
-A Fistful of Dynamite – Trailer
-Death Rides a Horse – Trailer
-The Mercenary - Trailer
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: cigar joe on January 03, 2019, 04:47:19 PM
 cool thanks
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: noodles_leone on January 04, 2019, 05:43:52 AM
The weirdest thing is that someone in the marketing department thought that Thunderbolt and Lightfoot was the best selling point they had for Eastwood.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: mike siegel on January 04, 2019, 09:34:01 AM
some new entries from my side...

-NEW Promoting FAFDM: Posters & Lobby Cards

-NEW FAFDM: On the Set (with contribution from Jordan & Kevin, thanks again!)

-NEW FAFDM: Color Stills

-NEW FOR A FEW Pictures MORE
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: T.H. on January 05, 2019, 02:57:02 PM
The weirdest thing is that someone in the marketing department thought that Thunderbolt and Lightfoot was the best selling point they had for Eastwood.

And Sabata for Lee Van Cleef.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 05, 2019, 05:04:56 PM
I hope the bonus features are good. The main feature is not in need of a restoration - IMO the American MGM BRD is very nice. Some people may prefer the Italian Mondo (region-free, but no English audio). I prefer the MGM. But either way, point is, the image quality is fine. Of course, with today’s technology, anything can be improved. I hope they don’t make another “piss” version.

By the way, any chance we’ll get the full beating scene in this one? Maybe fixing the timing of the thunderclap?  ;)
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on March 07, 2019, 08:15:06 AM
Robert Harris gives his approval: https://www.hometheaterforum.com/a-few-words-about-for-a-few-dollars-more-in-blu-ray/
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Jordan Krug on March 10, 2019, 01:10:12 PM
Here is a link to my first draft of an in-depth analysis of all the home video releases of the film. (8 min) Just looking at one scene, (Manco's entrance) we can see how the edit and sound have been tampered with repeatedly. I look forward to seeing/hearing if Kino has finally restored the film to Leone's intentions.

https://vimeo.com/322543630   
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on March 10, 2019, 01:11:18 PM
Here is a link to my first draft of an in-depth analysis of all the home video releases of the film. (8 min) Just looking at one scene, (Manco's entrance) we can see how the edit and sound have been tampered with repeatedly. I look forward to seeing/hearing if Kino has finally restored the film to Leone's intentions.

https://vimeo.com/322543630
Brilliant!
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 10, 2019, 02:51:17 PM
so this is not a piss version?
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Lil Brutto on March 10, 2019, 03:13:13 PM
Here is a link to my first draft of an in-depth analysis of all the home video releases of the film. (8 min) Just looking at one scene, (Manco's entrance) we can see how the edit and sound have been tampered with repeatedly. I look forward to seeing/hearing if Kino has finally restored the film to Leone's intentions.

https://vimeo.com/322543630

I'm sorry but this seems a bit obsessive.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 10, 2019, 03:58:48 PM
I'm sorry but this seems a bit obsessive.

hurrah for obsessive Leone fans  :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Lil Brutto on March 10, 2019, 04:16:50 PM
 >:D
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Jordan Krug on March 10, 2019, 07:41:13 PM
I'm sorry but this seems a bit obsessive.

You mean we should be focusing on the real issues. GBU issues ;)
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Lil Brutto on March 10, 2019, 09:01:32 PM
You mean we should be focusing on the real issues. GBU issues ;)

Lol no! I was just trying to be a smartass by directly quoting the moron on bluray forum (johnysurfin) that accused you of being obsessive when you asked about the timing of the thunder clap.

You know I'm passionate about getting it right. ;)
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Novecento on March 11, 2019, 07:24:41 PM
hurrah for obsessive Leone fans  :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Yeh - thanks Jordan. This was great.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: cigar joe on March 12, 2019, 02:20:55 AM
thanks
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: stanton on March 12, 2019, 03:55:55 AM
Some people claim that it is again not the completely uncut version.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Jordan Krug on March 12, 2019, 11:17:07 AM
Working on a part 2 that looks at the many different cuts of the beating scene...it's very complicated! Ideally I can get it out before the release date so that people can see what the "correct" version is. Even the Italian Blu is missing a few seconds in the beating scene...

The last time the beating scene was released completely uncut in North America was in 1982, the U.S. laserdisc. I wonder what happened to THAT print... 15 years later they were combining cut U.S. prints with incomplete Italian prints and making all sorts of mistakes. They had an uncut English print in their possession back in 1982...where did it go?
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: stanton on March 12, 2019, 11:58:51 AM
But the German Blu has the uncut version?

Not that it is important in any case. It is one of the weaker scenes anyway, and it doesn't get hurt the slightest with a few parts missing or not.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 12, 2019, 03:33:37 PM
Working on a part 2 that looks at the many different cuts of the beating scene...it's very complicated! Ideally I can get it out before the release date so that people can see what the "correct" version is. Even the Italian Blu is missing a few seconds in the beating scene...

The last time the beating scene was released completely uncut in North America was in 1982, the U.S. laserdisc. I wonder what happened to THAT print... 15 years later they were combining cut U.S. prints with incomplete Italian prints and making all sorts of mistakes. They had an uncut English print in their possession back in 1982...where did it go?

regarding the beating scene: this video of the "full length beating scene" courtesy of LeoneNut https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCQp9rnsuEk

further discussion here http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=11528.msg161986#msg161986
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Lil Brutto on March 12, 2019, 04:01:20 PM
Not that it is important in any case. It is one of the weaker scenes anyway, and it doesn't get hurt the slightest with a few parts missing or not.

The missing footage of the beating scene should be included given that Leone intended for it to be included.

The brick wall explosion in GBU is an example of footage of obvious unimportance that was deleted in some home releases. However it should be there.

Yes, I'm guilty of being obsessive.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Lil Brutto on March 12, 2019, 04:14:42 PM
Working on a part 2 that looks at the many different cuts of the beating scene...it's very complicated! Ideally I can get it out before the release date so that people can see what the "correct" version is. Even the Italian Blu is missing a few seconds in the beating scene...


Sounds like your goal is to show the full history of  beating scene cuts/edits on home release formats over the decades.

In the interest of time and to avoid a lot of unnecessary work why not limit your comparison to the various BD releases vs. the 1982 LD (or LeoneNut vid or CVC DVD, which is also complete)?

It will still educate those who were not aware that the full beating scene hasn't seen a proper release since the 80s (English language CBS LD) or 90s (Italian language CVC DVD).
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Novecento on March 12, 2019, 06:06:18 PM
But the German Blu has the uncut version?

Yeh - I bought the German DVD several years back which claimed the beating scene was complete....
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: stanton on March 13, 2019, 05:21:09 AM
The missing footage of the beating scene should be included given that Leone intended for it to be included.



Of course it should, but I would not buy a new disc only to get that scene complete. But I would immediately buy OUTW without the rising scene, or the theatrical Italian version of GBU.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 13, 2019, 07:21:24 AM
Of course it should, but I would not buy a new disc only to get that scene complete. But I would immediately buy OUTW without the rising scene, or the theatrical Italian version of GBU.

Re: OUATITW:

As soon as the opening shootout happens, just click “next chapter.” Magic! Rising scene is gone.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: stanton on March 13, 2019, 09:09:26 AM
Re: OUATITW:

As soon as the opening shootout happens, just click “next chapter.” Magic! Rising scene is gone.

Of course, but I want everybody on this world to be able to see the light ...
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: stanton on March 13, 2019, 09:11:36 AM
Yeh - I bought the German DVD several years back which claimed the beating scene was complete....

The first German DVD claimed that too, but still a few small parts were missing, but less than on other releases, it was the most complete DVD then. The newer DVD (identical to the Blu) must be complete.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 13, 2019, 11:02:58 AM
Of course, but I want everybody on this world to be able to see the light ...

you purchasing another disc wouldn't help anyone see the light
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Jordan Krug on March 26, 2019, 07:44:32 PM
New Blu looks fantastic. Still cut by about a minute, a shame since it's the best the film has looked and the extras are great.

Hopefully someday we'll get this master in Leone's actual released cut.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on March 28, 2019, 04:32:04 AM
New Blu looks fantastic.
Wow, you ain't kidding! And it starts with the UA title card to boot.

It's funny. There are people on this board who contend that this is their favorite Leone, yet they can't be bothered to get a copy of this. Liars. Black liars.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 28, 2019, 06:39:28 AM
New Blu looks fantastic. Still cut by about a minute, a shame since it's the best the film has looked and the extras are great.

Hopefully someday we'll get this master in Leone's actual released cut.

You are saying this cut is identical to, but the image quality is better than, the MGM BRD?
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: cigar joe on March 28, 2019, 12:12:53 PM
How do you know if we ain't getting it?  ;D
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: SIGcurious on March 28, 2019, 04:38:51 PM
Here is a link to my first draft of an in-depth analysis of all the home video releases of the film. (8 min) Just looking at one scene, (Manco's entrance) we can see how the edit and sound have been tampered with repeatedly. I look forward to seeing/hearing if Kino has finally restored the film to Leone's intentions.

https://vimeo.com/322543630

This is so great!
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Jordan Krug on March 28, 2019, 09:23:46 PM
You are saying this cut is identical to, but the image quality is better than, the MGM BRD?

Yep, pretty much. New Alex cox segment is good and always enjoy Mike Siegel's picture galleries (which full disclosure had a very small part of with another user here, Le Bon.)
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Jordan Krug on March 28, 2019, 09:27:37 PM
This is so great!

Thank you!
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Jordan Krug on March 29, 2019, 09:41:51 PM


https://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/posts/4722608/

Another comparison video posted here with some explanation. If you read earlier in the htf thread, Kino said they didn't include the dialog because it was a" deleted scene".
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Jordan Krug on March 30, 2019, 06:31:30 AM
Also wondering if someone here can help me. I distinctly remember reading a quote by someone who worked with Leone, but I can't find the source.

The quote concerned the beating scene in FAFDM and it was something along the lines of "I begged Sergio to cut down the scene, all those laughing faces just went on and on".

Ring any bells for anyone else?
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on March 30, 2019, 10:50:51 AM

https://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/posts/4722608/

Another comparison video posted here with some explanation. If you read earlier in the htf thread, Kino said they didn't include the dialog because it was a" deleted scene".
Great work as usual, JK.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on March 30, 2019, 07:46:30 PM
Also wondering if someone here can help me. I distinctly remember reading a quote by someone who worked with Leone, but I can't find the source.

The quote concerned the beating scene in FAFDM and it was something along the lines of "I begged Sergio to cut down the scene, all those laughing faces just went on and on".

Ring any bells for anyone else?

I remember something similar, one of the writers making fun of the beating scene. I think it was Luciano Vincenzoni.

Maybe check the FAFDM chapter in STDWD
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Jordan Krug on March 31, 2019, 05:33:58 AM
I remember something similar, one of the writers making fun of the beating scene. I think it was Luciano Vincenzoni.

Maybe check the FAFDM chapter in STDWD

Boom, you nailed it. I found it in there and it is indeed by LV. Thanks!
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Le Bon on April 04, 2019, 09:28:53 AM
Noticed this set on Amazon.it  Anyone know if the Fistful of Doilars is the Ripley's one?

https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B077NMXSVR/ref=pe_1052691_366290931_em_1p_1_im
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Lil Brutto on April 04, 2019, 09:22:42 PM
(https://imgur.com/RQTy9u8.jpg)

Looks like it is. (RHV on the disc)
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Le Bon on April 05, 2019, 01:40:56 AM
Good spot, thank you.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: T.H. on April 09, 2019, 06:40:24 PM
Here is a link to my first draft of an in-depth analysis of all the home video releases of the film. (8 min) Just looking at one scene, (Manco's entrance) we can see how the edit and sound have been tampered with repeatedly. I look forward to seeing/hearing if Kino has finally restored the film to Leone's intentions.

https://vimeo.com/322543630
Thanks so much for making this, I feel like i can speak for everyone here and say that all of your hard work is appreciated.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Jordan Krug on April 09, 2019, 07:05:05 PM
Thank you very much. Glad to help get the word out about the right cuts whatever way I can.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 09, 2019, 10:56:12 PM
Thanks so much for making this, I feel like i can speak for everyone here and say that all of your hard work is appreciated.

definitely!
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: T.H. on April 10, 2019, 01:50:37 PM
I'd give you guys the old thumbs up sign but it's no longer an option haha.

https://vimeo.com/327409583


Judging from JK's comparison video, the German release looks like it has a little more detail. I don't mind a sharpened look as long as it's not egregiously unfaithful to the source material - should I go with the German release over the Kino? It's also really cheap.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on April 10, 2019, 04:46:18 PM
should I go with the German release over the Kino?
Why not get both? Then you'll be out-Drinking Drink. O0
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: T.H. on April 10, 2019, 09:00:03 PM
Why not get both? Then you'll be out-Drinking Drink. O0
It's going to be the fourth time I've bought this movie (fifth if I buy both copies), I don't want to challenge my six GBU purchases. I hope someone else has that beaten.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 10, 2019, 10:06:43 PM
It's going to be the fourth time I've bought this movie (fifth if I buy both copies), I don't want to challenge my six GBU purchases. I hope someone else has that beaten.

for FAFDM, I have the MGM DVD, MGM BRD, Mondo BRD, and this new KL BRD (which I did not watch yet). So I have 4 copies.

for GBU, I have the theatrical release DVD, MGM Restored DVD, MGM BRD, Mondo BRD, and the KL piss BRD. So that's 5.

FOD I have the MGM DVD, MGM BRD, and the beautiful Ripley's BRD. 3 copies

OUATITW: Paramount DVD and BRD. 2 copies

DYS: MGM DVD and BRD. 2 copies

OUATITW: WB DVD, WB BRD, and WB extended Cut BRD. 3 copies.

MNIN: RLJ BRD. 1 copy

That's just hard copies. I also purchased on iTunes, and have on my computer, digital copies of FOD, FAFDM, GBU, OUATITW, and OUATIA. (I believe FOD, FAFDM, and GBU are the MGM DVD versions; OUATITW is the Paramount DVD version; and OUATITW is the WB DVD version).
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: cigar joe on April 11, 2019, 02:58:03 AM
for FAFDM, I have the MGM DVD, MGM BRD, Mondo BRD, and this new KL BRD (which I did not watch yet). So I have 4 copies.

for GBU, I have the theatrical release DVD, MGM Restored DVD, MGM BRD, Mondo BRD, and the KL piss BRD. So that's 5.

FOD I have the MGM DVD, MGM BRD, and the beautiful Ripley's BRD. 3 copies

OUATITW: Paramount DVD and BRD. 2 copies

DYS: MGM DVD and BRD. 2 copies

OUATITW: WB DVD, WB BRD, and WB extended Cut BRD. 3 copies.

MNIN: RLJ BRD. 1 copy

That's just hard copies. I also purchased on iTunes, and have on my computer, digital copies of FOD, FAFDM, GBU, OUATITW, and OUATIA. (I believe FOD, FAFDM, and GBU are the MGM DVD versions; OUATITW is the Paramount DVD version; and OUATITW is the WB DVD version).

you win
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: mike siegel on April 11, 2019, 01:50:29 PM
I do not dare to count  ;D.

Usually I sell my films once I updated... No need to keep 2-4 disc's on every title...
But not Peckinpah, or McQueen or Leone, I kept them all...
Therefore I have about 60 or 70 Leone's still hanging around here, from all over the world (Super-8 / VHS / LaserDisc / DVD / Blu-ray).

I haven't seen the new FDM yet. The German is fine regarding running time,
but I never liked the quality of the master - FDM has a lot of night scenes for a Leone film, and they
don't look that great at all. I hear the new one looks better - BUT IS NOT COMPLETE. Oh well... I have
the ability to look into the future and I seeee... 'ol Mike having dinner guests for New Year's Eve 2032
who will ask me "What was your highlight in 2031 Mike?" "Oh that great summer... AND they finally
released a perfect Leone Blu-ray!! Maybe we'll have another one before I die !!"

Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: T.H. on April 12, 2019, 03:23:31 PM
You guys definitely win.


Could anyone please explain the issues with the German bluray, it looks incredibly detailed in JK's comparison video? Do people not like it because it looks too sharp? I personally like transfers with lots of detail and depth, as long as they are faithful enough to the original vision.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Jordan Krug on April 12, 2019, 08:14:42 PM
You guys definitely win.


Could anyone please explain the issues with the German bluray, it looks incredibly detailed in JK's comparison video? Do people not like it because it looks too sharp? I personally like transfers with lots of detail and depth, as long as they are faithful enough to the original vision.

It's digitally sharpened. The new transfer at first glance appears softer in stills, but it is more natural in motion. The German isn't bad but it was definitely manipulated. It also has some speckles/neg dirt that seems to be all cleaned up on the Kino.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: mike siegel on April 13, 2019, 12:18:32 AM
Speaking of the devil, I received my samples yesterday...
To make it short: that's the only one I will watch in the future! It looks five
times as good as the German. No need to go into detail, the film never
looked as good before on homevideo. For me that's way more important
than
a.) the missing 44 seconds from the German print (a SHAME nevertheless)
b.) some minor issues with the top of the frame: there are a few takes
where you see the top borderline of the frame. Not too many times,
but I don't like such things, it distracts the viewer. See image...

But again: the overall image quality is terrific, no need to think about
it twice, as a Leone fan this is the one to go for.

(https://up.picr.de/35500271cs.jpg)
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: cigar joe on April 13, 2019, 02:42:49 AM
Thanks
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: T.H. on April 13, 2019, 08:03:10 AM
Thanks so much, I'll definitely be getting the Kino release.

It's so strange how pictures only show up when mobile browsing. To those who can't see the screencap Mike posted, use your mobile browser and you'll probably be able to see it.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on April 13, 2019, 05:41:47 PM
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews45/for_a_few_dollars_more_blu-ray.htm
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Le Bon on May 30, 2019, 02:02:13 AM
Might seem picky but did anyone notice the gun shots are out of sync on the opening credits. A friend pointed it out as he also noticed it at the widescreen weekend event screening at Bradford in the UK in 2014 which was distributed by Park Circus.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Jordan Krug on May 31, 2019, 02:18:58 PM
Might seem picky but did anyone notice the gun shots are out of sync on the opening credits. A friend pointed it out as he also noticed it at the widescreen weekend event screening at Bradford in the UK in 2014 which was distributed by Park Circus.

Which audio track, the 5.1? (I assume that's what they showed at the screening?).



Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Le Bon on June 02, 2019, 02:42:24 AM
On all 3 audio tracks.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 03, 2019, 01:42:02 PM
Anybody listen to the Tim Lucas commentary track? It's very good and may be even better than Frayling's. Anyway, it engaged me and got me mulling over many things in the film I've never noticed before or did but have forgotten about. Some of these points may have been addressed by others, but they're worth hearing about again. Here's what I've gleaned from the first half:


Lucas seems to think the invisible gunman in the prologue is Mortimer, and he may be right, but I’ve always believed it is just a generic “Bounty Killer.”

He points out that Leone’s name, in the credits, gets shot down until it forms something resembling  a pair of dice showing snake eyes. He claims there is a snake eyes motif that runs through the picture.


He has a very good explanation for the development of the character of Manco that has to do with industry concerns. Obviously Leone wanted to repeat the success of AFOD by using a poncho-wearing Eastwood who smokes thin cigars. However, he had moved from Jolly Films to Grimaldi’s production and needed to be careful not to infringe on the copyright of his former employers (who apparently sued anyway). He needed plausible deniability that the character in the second picture was different from the one in the first. Hence the gauntlet and the one-armed thing. So they are the same character for marketing reasons, but not the same character due to legal concerns. I don’t think I’d ever understood it that way before but it sounds persuasive to me.

Lucas thinks it is significant that the Bible LVC is reading at the beginning doesn’t have the word “holy” on it. An Unholy Bible? With Mortimer as a dysangelist spreading the Bad News? Well, he is always wearing black (and Sabata means “sabbath”). Still, I think Lucas may be overreading things here. It’s true that in Anglo-saxon countries the book is frequently called “holy”, but I’m not sure that that is a tradition in other cultures.

Lucas fails to take the opportunity, during the Baby Red Kavanaugh sequence, to explore film references having to do with the gunman who has his shave interrupted.

Oddly, he seems to feel that Indio’s killing of his cellmate is wholly capricious and without sound reason. But there is a very good reason for killing the carpenter—Indio doesn’t want to take him along and he doesn’t want the guy telling anyone else about the safe hidden in the cabinet.

He assumes that Indio’s herb of choice is MJ. Obviously Mr. Lucas is unfamiliar with the theory advanced by some on this board that he smokes Jimson Weed.

He has a good comment on Indio’s flashback and the fact that it was hugely influential in the shooting of such scenes in giallo and other types of films.

Lucas has a witty comment on how, considering Eastwood's different paydays between the first and second films, the title is literally true.
 
He identifies the Italian intermission point and makes an observation about the following scene between Eastwood and the three gunmen he cowboys. Before he shoots, Eastwood rubs the end of his cigarillo and places it between his lips. One of the men he shoots is played by Frank Bana, and Frank’s character just before the intermission shot off the end of Eastwood’s cigar. Of course, it is expedient for the 3 men to die, but there could also be an element of pay-back in what Eastwood does.


I'll be enjoying the rest of the commentary as time allows. Really worth everyone's time.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 03, 2019, 06:59:57 PM
Thanks so much for making this, I feel like i can speak for everyone here and say that all of your hard work is appreciated.

Yes, indeed  :)
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Le Bon on August 04, 2019, 03:05:20 AM
The Manco character part sounds plausible. In Chris Frayling's book he interviews Carla Leone and she said Leone called it For a Few Dollars More to upset Jolly Film and when they heard about the sequel they tried to muscle in on it. They then tried to get Eastwood to sign a contract with them.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: noodles_leone on August 04, 2019, 07:26:58 AM
Anybody listen to the Tim Lucas commentary track? It's very good and may be even better than Frayling's. Anyway, it engaged me and got me mulling over many things in the film I've never noticed before or did but have forgotten about. Some of these points may have been addressed by others, but they're worth hearing about again. Here's what I've gleaned from the first half:


Lucas seems to think the invisible gunman in the prologue is Mortimer, and he may be right, but I’ve always believed it is just a generic “Bounty Killer.”

I see where he comes from. But the movie works better for me if the invisible killer is just a regular bounty hunter.

He points out that Leone’s name, in the credits, gets shot down until it forms something resembling  a pair of dice showing snake eyes. He claims there is a snake eyes motif that runs through the picture.

I'll check that out next time I see it.

He has a very good explanation for the development of the character of Manco that has to do with industry concerns. Obviously Leone wanted to repeat the success of AFOD by using a poncho-wearing Eastwood who smokes thin cigars. However, he had moved from Jolly Films to Grimaldi’s production and needed to be careful not to infringe on the copyright of his former employers (who apparently sued anyway). He needed plausible deniability that the character in the second picture was different from the one in the first. Hence the gauntlet and the one-armed thing. So they are the same character for marketing reasons, but not the same character due to legal concerns. I don’t think I’d ever understood it that way before but it sounds persuasive to me.

Very convincing. Also, I always thought that one handed thing was kind of quickly done, never really used afterward... Looked like an afterthough. Which works with that theory too.

Lucas thinks it is significant that the Bible LVC is reading at the beginning doesn’t have the word “holy” on it. An Unholy Bible? With Mortimer as a dysangelist spreading the Bad News? Well, he is always wearing black (and Sabata means “sabbath”). Still, I think Lucas may be overreading things here. It’s true that in Anglo-saxon countries the book is frequently called “holy”, but I’m not sure that that is a tradition in other cultures.

Hm. For the record, I'm pretty sure european bibles tend to just be called "bible" and almost never "holy Bible". My money is on Leone and the prop guys didn't even think of adding "holy" on a regular bible.

Lucas fails to take the opportunity, during the Baby Red Kavanaugh sequence, to explore film references having to do with the gunman who has his shave interrupted.

Oddly, he seems to feel that Indio’s killing of his cellmate is wholly capricious and without sound reason. But there is a very good reason for killing the carpenter—Indio doesn’t want to take him along and he doesn’t want the guy telling anyone else about the safe hidden in the cabinet.

I'm with you on this.

He assumes that Indio’s herb of choice is MJ. Obviously Mr. Lucas is unfamiliar with the theory advanced by some on this board that he smokes Jimson Weed.

All the lines about drugs in the film have convinced me forever that Leone didn't know anything about drugs. Hence, the herbs that Indio smokes are nothing but "drugs".

He has a good comment on Indio’s flashback and the fact that it was hugely influential in the shooting of such scenes in giallo and other types of films.

Yeah I'm sure the way flashbacks are done in FAFDM has been much more influential than they're usually credited for (people always reference OUATITW's flashbacks, which, I think, are much better done, but I cannot deny the historical importance of the ones in FAFDM)

Lucas has a witty comment on how, considering Eastwood's different paydays between the first and second films, the title is literally true.

Haha :) This is actually true of the whole movie. The budget was indeed increased. And the film made more money too.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 05, 2019, 08:58:08 AM
There's a great Alex Cox documentary with this showing him visiting many of the filming locations. The old before/after MGM piece is also included (with all the other MGM stuff) but that has static photos and was done some time in the 2003-2005 window. The new one has a 2018 copyright and you get to see Alex huffing and puffing as he goes up some of those hills in Almeria. The documentary is certainly entertaining, but even better, it gave me a new appreciation for the location work on FAFDM. A lot of interiors that I assumed were studio sets turn out to be local interiors (for example, the bodega where Mortimer ices Kinski's character). What studio work there is was done in Madrid, but there really wasn't all that much. The film is mostly location, location, location. My appreciation for the film as a whole has grown.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 05, 2019, 02:02:50 PM
Another point Tim Lucas makes is regarding the final gundown. Of course, it is overseen by Manco to insure that it's fair. I'd always assumed that that meant keeping Indio from cheating but, as Lucas points out, Manco is also making sure Mortimer is on the up and up. Remember, he took out Wild with a trick derringer, and he's a veritable Inspector Gadget where weapons are concerned. Manco gives Mortimer his pistol, belt, and holster to use, ensuring no tricks will be used in the settling of accounts. Mortimer has never used Eastwood's weapon, so he may not be entirely comfortable with the unfamiliar gun. Except that after he gives Indio the business he returns the pistol to its holster with a very fancy twirl, eliciting a surprised reaction from Manco. Maybe he hadn't evened things up after all.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 06, 2019, 04:20:37 PM
Lucas seems puzzled by the fact that Mortimer gives up the bounty biz at the moment of his greatest success, but surely Mortimer was only doing it as a means to get to Indio. While Indio was in jail he couldn't kill him, and meanwhile he needed to earn a living. Why not do something that brings in cash while sharpening your man-hunting skills? Going through Indio's gang to get to Indio was always going to be a difficult proposition. And once Indio is dead Mortimer can give the whole thing up and go home (with the two pocket watches reunited to boot). Seems pretty obvious to me.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 06, 2019, 05:10:38 PM
Lucas seems puzzled by the fact that Mortimer gives up the bounty biz at the moment of his greatest success, but surely Mortimer was only doing it as a means to get to Indio. While Indio was in jail he couldn't kill him, and meanwhile he needed to earn a living. Why not do something that brings in cash while sharpening your man-hunting skills? Going through Indio's gang to get to Indio was always going to be a difficult proposition. And once Indio is dead Mortimer can give the whole thing up and go home (with the two pocket watches reunited to boot). Seems pretty obvious to me.

Mortimer was a bounty hunter for a while - as the “Prophet” says, and as we see in opening scene. Not only as a “means to get to Indio.”
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: cigar joe on August 06, 2019, 08:17:29 PM
Lucas seems puzzled by the fact that Mortimer gives up the bounty biz at the moment of his greatest success, but surely Mortimer was only doing it as a means to get to Indio. While Indio was in jail he couldn't kill him, and meanwhile he needed to earn a living. Why not do something that brings in cash while sharpening your man-hunting skills? Going through Indio's gang to get to Indio was always going to be a difficult proposition. And once Indio is dead Mortimer can give the whole thing up and go home (with the two pocket watches reunited to boot). Seems pretty obvious to me.

agree
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: noodles_leone on August 07, 2019, 02:30:27 AM
Mortimer was a bounty hunter for a while - as the “Prophet” says, and as we see in opening scene. Not only as a “means to get to Indio.”

Yes it was only a way to finance his quest and stay on the move. I'm also pretty sure he needed to be in touch with outlaws in order to hear the whereabouts of Indio. At least that's how I always took it.

Then he doesn't want ANY money directly related to Indio's bounty because that would tarnish his revenge. That's just movie revenge 101.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: mike siegel on August 07, 2019, 02:56:18 AM
'can't remember a line where he says he'd never ever again would work as a bounty hunter...

Because he refuses the money?    Who would want to earn money with his sister's death ??
Because he won't continue working with Manco?    He's a loner anyway, he just enjoyed his partnership to track down Indio.
So he rides off alone and maybe tracks down another one in week or a month... Or not. Who cares, the film plays before such events  ;D.
I don't quite get the discussion....
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 07, 2019, 08:22:14 AM
Yes it was only a way to finance his quest and stay on the move. I'm also pretty sure he needed to be in touch with outlaws in order to hear the whereabouts of Indio. At least that's how I always took it.

Then he doesn't want ANY money directly related to Indio's bounty because that would tarnish his revenge. That's just movie revenge 101.

I agree that he doesn’t want any money from the Indio and gang bounty because that would tarnish his revenge. I disagree that he’s going to stop bounty hunting. “What about our partnership?” “Maybe next time.”

He was and will continue to be a bounty hunter for money. It was only the Indio deal that he didn’t want money for.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 07, 2019, 08:23:03 AM
'can't remember a line where he says he'd never ever again would work as a bounty hunter...

Because he refuses the money?    Who would want to earn money with his sister's death ??
Because he won't continue working with Manco?    He's a loner anyway, he just enjoyed his partnership to track down Indio.
So he rides off alone and maybe tracks down another one in week or a month... Or not. Who cares, the film plays before such events  ;D.
I don't quite get the discussion....

It’s because of the damn trains!
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: mike siegel on August 07, 2019, 08:56:46 AM
It’s because of the damn trains!

 ;D ;D
You bet!
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: noodles_leone on August 07, 2019, 09:14:06 AM
“What about our partnership?” “Maybe next time.”


I don't know if he will continue with bounty hunting, but I'm 99% sure "maybe next time" is just a polite way to say "Nope."
Also, to me, the rise of the sad/nostalgic music just with this line underlines that one way or another this is the end of the relationship and of Mortimer. I'm pretty sure the guy just fades away as he rides toward the sunset as the romantic hero from a lost age he is.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: Cusser on August 07, 2019, 09:56:12 AM
I don't know if he will continue with bounty hunting, but I'm 99% sure "maybe next time" is just a polite way to say "Nope."
Also, to me, the rise of the sad/nostalgic music just with this line underlines that one way or another this is the end of the relationship and of Mortimer. I'm pretty sure the guy just fades away as he rides toward the sunset as the romantic hero from a lost age he is.

Exactly.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 07, 2019, 09:58:52 AM
I don't know if he will continue with bounty hunting, but I'm 99% sure "maybe next time" is just a polite way to say "Nope."
Also, to me, the rise of the sad/nostalgic music just with this line underlines that one way or another this is the end of the relationship and of Mortimer. I'm pretty sure the guy just fades away as he rides toward the sunset as the romantic hero from a lost age he is.
You have said the things that are true.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: cigar joe on August 07, 2019, 11:21:16 AM
I don't know if he will continue with bounty hunting, but I'm 99% sure "maybe next time" is just a polite way to say "Nope."
Also, to me, the rise of the sad/nostalgic music just with this line underlines that one way or another this is the end of the relationship and of Mortimer. I'm pretty sure the guy just fades away as he rides toward the sunset as the romantic hero from a lost age he is.

Dats right.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on August 07, 2019, 08:06:03 PM
I don't know if he will continue with bounty hunting, but I'm 99% sure "maybe next time" is just a polite way to say "Nope."
Also, to me, the rise of the sad/nostalgic music just with this line underlines that one way or another this is the end of the relationship and of Mortimer. I'm pretty sure the guy just fades away as he rides toward the sunset as the romantic hero from a lost age he is.

“Maybe next time” is perhaps setting up for possibility of a sequel?
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: noodles_leone on August 08, 2019, 03:06:26 AM
“Maybe next time” is perhaps setting up for possibility of a sequel?

Maybe in the screenplay, who knows. But to me, definitely not considering the way the line is delivered, the shot is framed and lighted and the music is written around it.
Title: Re: New 4K Restoration Blu-Ray (March 2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 08, 2019, 07:47:46 AM
Maybe next time I'll buy what Drink is selling.