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Title: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: PowerRR on January 25, 2019, 08:59:32 AM
Directed by Quentin Tarantino

Starring Brad Pitt, Leonardo DiCaprio, Margot Robbie, Al Pacino

First look:

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/01/preview-quentin-tarantino-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on April 29, 2019, 08:49:35 AM
This looks really, really good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scf8nIJCvs4

The guy playing Bruce Lee is amazing.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: Novecento on April 29, 2019, 07:42:54 PM
He impressed me with The Hateful Eight (give or take some things) so I'll be willing to give it a shot.

Yeh - the Bruce Lee guy is pretty convincing.

Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: stanton on April 30, 2019, 01:21:44 AM
This looks really, really good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scf8nIJCvs4


Yes, it really does. QT is a really great filmmaker, and after his 2 not-so-good westerns I would love to see him coming back to form.

Ok, trailers often "lie", but actually the trailers of his 2 westerns did already not look that promising to me.

Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: T.H. on May 01, 2019, 11:36:25 AM
I'm hoping that this movie can at least somewhat rival his 90s work and that he can be seen as a Scorsese type director in that he's inconsistent, but he excels amazingly well in a specific setting or city, making a certain type of movie.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on May 21, 2019, 04:16:35 AM
World Premier Cannes Film Festival   today

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/variety.com/2019/film/markets-festivals/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-quentin-tarantino-brad-pitt-cannes-leonardo-dicaprio-1203220768/amp/

https://deadline.com/2019/05/quentin-tarantino-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-cannes-film-festival-1202619309/

New Posters

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/05/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-posters-leonardo-dicaprio-1202142960/
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: LITTLE BIG MAN on May 21, 2019, 04:23:10 AM
Film Teaser Red Band Trailer next week


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Scf8nIJCvs4




https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-BDbdkFGRJg
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on July 11, 2019, 09:15:34 AM
Incredible: http://thenewbev.com/blog/2019/07/pure-cinema-podcast-july-2019-with-quentin-tarantino/
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: T.H. on July 11, 2019, 11:19:37 AM
Incredible: http://thenewbev.com/blog/2019/07/pure-cinema-podcast-july-2019-with-quentin-tarantino/
Thanks for making me aware of this podcast. I was scrolling down looking at the topics and it looks very promising. There aren't many podcasts that cover movies made from the 60s/70s and prior so hopefully this fills that void.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on July 12, 2019, 11:36:06 AM
This is kinda amusing: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000138/?pnp_id=rickdalton&#fullBio

I like the fact that Rick was in both Jubal and Darby's Rangers. Somehow I missed his Land of the Giants episode.  ;D
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: T.H. on July 13, 2019, 12:50:57 PM
I listened to the QT episode and it was as good as advertised and also was able to listen to the Joe Dante on Westerns episode, which was great as well. That pod seems like a total gem that is much needed.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: Novecento on July 13, 2019, 06:20:56 PM
It's going to be shown in 35mm near me. I'll be traveling when it's released, but I hope it's still playing on that format when I get back... If I remember correctly, after a while they switch to digital for showings quite long after the release date.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: PowerRR on July 18, 2019, 09:17:42 AM
I've got my ticket for next week. Very fucking excited.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on July 18, 2019, 11:36:14 AM
I've got my ticket for next week. Very fucking excited.
Is your ticket for next Thursday at 4p.m.? Because that's when the "very fucking excited" people are actually going.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on July 19, 2019, 07:36:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPomHS-gZEk
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: PowerRR on July 19, 2019, 07:38:06 AM
Is your ticket for next Thursday at 4p.m.? Because that's when the "very fucking excited" people are actually going.
Unfortunately, 7PM Thursday. 4PM was tempting but I figured I could wait 3 hours to not leave work early and be able to have have friends, co-workers, dad, girlfriend come along... it's a big crew.

EDIT: DJ are there any obvious spoilers in that interview?
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on July 19, 2019, 08:52:32 AM
Not obvious, but there is one for people with working brains.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: cigar joe on July 26, 2019, 04:04:06 PM
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BOTg4ZTNkZmUtMzNlZi00YmFjLTk1MmUtNWQwNTM0YjcyNTNkXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNjg2NjQwMDQ@._V1_SY1000_CR0,0,674,1000_AL_.jpg)

Might as well start a formal separate thread for this.

Written & Directed by Quentin Tarantino. Cinematography by Robert Richardson. Starring....

Leonardo DiCaprio as Rick Dalton:
An actor who starred in the television Western series Bounty Law from 1958 to 1963, based on Wanted Dead or Alive (1958–1961). His attempt to transition to film failed and in 1969 he is struggling, doing guest roles on other people's programs while contemplating moving to Italy, which has become a hotbed for low-budget Westerns. Dalton's relationship with Cliff Booth is based on that of actor Burt Reynolds and his long time stunt double Hal Needham.

Brad Pitt as Cliff Booth:
A Vietnam War veteran and Rick's longtime stunt double and best friend. Tarantino and Pitt modeled Booth after Billy Jack, a character portrayed in four films by actor Tom Laughlin.

Margot Robbie as Sharon Tate:
A pregnant actress married to director Roman Polanski and next door neighbor of Dalton. Robbie did not consult with Polanski in preparation for the role, but read his 1985 autobiography Roman by Polanski.

Emile Hirsch as Jay Sebring:
A Hollywood hairstylist and friend and ex-boyfriend of Tate.

Margaret Qualley as Pussycat:
A member of the "Manson Family" who catches Booth's interest. Based loosely on Kathryn Lutesinger who had the nickname "Kitty".

Timothy Olyphant as James Stacy:
An actor who co-starred on the TV western Lancer.

Austin Butler as Charles "Tex" Watson:
A central member of the "Manson Family", alongside four other members.

Dakota Fanning as Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme:
A member of the infamous "Manson Family" who obtained her nickname while living on George Spahn's ranch.

Bruce Dern as George Spahn:
An 80-year-old nearly blind man who rented his Los Angeles ranch out to be used as a location for Westerns. Charles Manson convinced Spahn to allow him and his followers to live on the ranch. In exchange for rent, Manson coerced his female followers into having sexual relations with the ranch owner, and serving as his seeing-eye guides. Burt Reynolds was initially cast in the role, but died before his scenes could be filmed.

Al Pacino as Marvin Schwarzs:
A Hollywood producer and Dalton's agent.

Kurt Russell as Randy:
A stunt coordinator who also serves as the film's narrator.

Zoë Bell as Randy's wife, also a stunt coordinator.

Lorenza Izzo as Francesca Cappucci, an Italian film crew member and Dalton's eventual wife

Michael Madsen as the Sheriff on Bounty Law

Mike Moh as Bruce Lee

and many more...

Let the discussions begin.

Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: titoli on July 30, 2019, 04:18:16 AM
"Gimme a 100 vintage cars and I'll make a movie". That's all there is to it: to recreate images of an era and paste to them inconsequential dialogues (well, I'll admit that, not having a captioned copy 90% of the inanities passed me by). But there's no action whatever until the final scene which is just a copy of the IB's template (IB being quoted); rewriting history. And make it ludicrous (or try to): see the flame-thrower. I can understand who left the cinema after a hour of this idiocy and also can understand the enthusiasm of those who, having shelled a ten bill to watch it, try to hang on the quotations to try to define this as an intelligent movie because they could spot them. I could go on and on about criticizing it but it would be wasted time. Just the usual QT stuff. I'll keep on waiting for the Scorsese.3/10
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: cigar joe on July 30, 2019, 09:24:11 AM
"Gimme a 100 vintage cars and I'll make a movie". That's all there is to it: to recreate images of an era and paste to them inconsequential dialogues (well, I'll admit that, not having a captioned copy 90% of the inanities passed me by). But there's no action whatever until the final scene which is just a copy of the IB's template (IB being quoted); rewriting history. And make it ludicrous (or try to): see the flame-thrower. I can understand who left the cinema after a hour of this idiocy and also can understand the enthusiasm of those who, having shelled a ten bill to watch it, try to hang on the quotations to try to define this as an intelligent movie because they could spot them. I could go on and on about criticizing it but it would be wasted time. Just the usual QT stuff. I'll keep on waiting for the Scorsese.3/10

We don't care, it's 99% better than the Superhero crap and the Oscar bait crap. I definitely am not overly impressed with any Scorsese since Gangs Of New York to tell you the truth. I have hopes for The Irishman.

With Tarantino I liked Django Unchained and The Hateful Eight but Once Upon A Time In... Hollywood beats them both and I wasn't all that impressed with Inglourious Basterds or Death Proof.

'bout the only directors left that I'd plunk money down for a theater ticket are The Coen Brothers, Tarantino, David Lynch, Scorsese, John Dahl, and John Sayles.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on July 30, 2019, 09:49:16 AM
Margot Robbie as Sharon Tate:
A pregnant actress married to director Roman Polanski and next door neighbor of Dalton. Robbie did not consult with Polanski in preparation for the role, but read his 1985 autobiography Roman by Polanski.
This misses the important fact that Sharon Tate's sister was a kind of consultant on the film and even lent Robbie some of the dead woman's jewelry to use.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on July 30, 2019, 09:59:12 AM
CJ has decided that ONE thread for this movie isn't enough. But why should we be content with two?
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: titoli on July 30, 2019, 01:35:20 PM
We don't care, it's 99% better than the Superhero crap and the Oscar bait crap.

(Who's "We"?) Superhero crap hasn't got any pretension, it's just timewasting stuff. About the Oscar bait crap, you're talking to the wrong person.

 
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I definitely am not overly impressed with any Scorsese since Gangs Of New York to tell you the truth. I have hopes for The Irishman.

I was never impressed with any Scorsese stuff which is not mafia related, with the exception of King of Comedy and Taxi Driver.

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With Tarantino I liked Django Unchained and The Hateful Eight but Once Upon A Time In... Hollywood beats them both and I wasn't all that impressed with Inglourious Basterds or Death Proof.

 I only liked his second and third and, though less, KB. The rest is crap. But if you think, rightly, that IB is nil, how can you rate high the final scene which is just a rehashing of the same technique of inversion of history? I still don't see what you find valuable in this flick, apart from the moolah wasted in vintage cars.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: cigar joe on July 30, 2019, 05:03:36 PM
I didn't search for it must have missed first thread combined both.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: cigar joe on July 30, 2019, 05:11:56 PM
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I still don't see what you find valuable in this flick, apart from the moolah wasted in vintage cars.


Its a very very good recreation of a time period that's gone, IB had some great segments and others I didn't care for. OUTIH doesn't have those flaws and the twist payoff was unexpected.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: cigar joe on July 30, 2019, 05:15:28 PM
This misses the important fact that Sharon Tate's sister was a kind of consultant on the film and even lent Robbie some of the dead woman's jewelry to use.

I didn't write it, just copied the write up from somewhere else and pasted it didn't read it all. Fix it and I'll delete the old one.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 02, 2019, 12:55:22 PM
Hahaha: https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2019/08/02/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-actor-confirms-potential-4-hour-cut-for-netfl
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: Novecento on August 04, 2019, 05:51:37 PM
Saw it in 35mm today.

Easily Tarantino's best (I have not seen everything he has done, nor do I really care to). Crucially, it was neither reliant on irritating dialogue nor on gratuitous violence. I was surprised how much I enjoyed "The Hateful Eight", give or take some excruciating moments. With "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood", he's showing himself to be mastering the medium. If it is going to be his last then it would be a great film to go out on, but also a shame since he is clearly approaching his zenith. This may well be the first Tarantino film I buy on home video.

SPOILER: The concept for the end was great; the gratuitous execution was not. Had that been better done (granted I suppose it is a matter of taste), I would have been blown away.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: cigar joe on August 04, 2019, 06:12:51 PM
Saw it in 35mm today.

Easily Tarantino's best (I have not seen everything he has done, nor do I really care to). Crucially, it was neither reliant on irritating dialogue nor on gratuitous violence. I was surprised how much I enjoyed "The Hateful Eight", give or take some excruciating moments. With "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood", he's showing himself to be mastering the medium. If it is going to be his last then it would be a great film to go out on, but also a shame since he is clearly approaching his zenith. This may well be the first Tarantino film I buy on home video.

SPOILER: The concept for the end was great; the gratuitous execution was not. Had that been better done (granted I suppose it is a matter of taste), I would have been blown away.

I loved it also.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: Novecento on August 06, 2019, 03:30:04 AM
From "Re: Rate The Last Movie You Saw" thread

CONTAINS MILD SPOILERS
Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019). 35mm projection. 5/10. I found this hugely disappointing. The writing is flaccid and lazy and the directing is not much better. Most of the acting is awful—Lenny 3CpO is almost never good and here he is doing an awful accent (but maybe the character he’s playing doesn’t want to break character and this is a way of showing that Rick Dalton isn’t much of an actor). That broad from The Wolf of Wall Street is embarrassing. The one good performance is Brad Pitt’s. The highlight of the film is the scene where his character goes to Spahn Ranch and has the initial confrontation with the Mansons. But the rest is pointless and the ending is QT just rehearsing a trick he’s done better before. The biggest problem with the film is that it relies on viewers’ knowledge of 1969 for basic things like motivation and suspense, things that should be supplied by the film itself. And for all the vaunted authenticity—“Tarantino recreates 1969!”—there’s a shot where Brad Pitt turns on to the freeway and we see sound reduction walls on the side of the road. Needless to say, such things did not exist in 1969, and QT could have had them digitally removed but didn’t bother to. Why? I’m sure it was because he was in a hurry to get the thing done and assumed no one would notice. There’s a general cheapness to the production: when a character smokes an acid cigarette we never see things from his point of view while he’s tripping. No love for SFX, Quentin? Another thing adding to the film’s cheapjack quality: the voice-over is badly recorded, and the narration is supplied by Kurt Russell, who is playing a character in the film but that character is NOT narrating I don’t think, or if he is the point is confusing. And why does there have to be narration anyway? Answer: it covers the gaps in the plot QT couldn’t be bothered to fill in other better ways. The man making films these days who goes by the name Tarantino is not at all the creative force he was in  the 90s. It’s very sad.

Totally disagree. The recreation of 1969 was spot on, it's way more than than a few cars (as titoli seems to think) or something that is easily dispelled by the inclusion of a sound wall. I sure didn't see one BTW I was more interested in the performances in the vignettes that magically linked us back to a time period.

He got that evolving end of the 50s early and mid 60s zietigest perfect. Dean Martin, Westerns on TV, Cigarette commercials Bruce Lee, hippies, etc., etc. The acid cigarette sequence did indicate that Pitt was seeing trails (the effect of the LSD) it was vividly demonstrated to the cognoscenti of all the pleasures the "sixties" had to offer. Why would we have to see things from his POV? That would be the expected thing from a cheapjack CGI production. Maybe you should go to see too many blockbusters.

I didn't notice the voice over, I did notice Kurt Russell, I don't know WTF your're talking about. Maybe you should watch it again, titoli I can forgive since he wasn't in the USA during the 60s so he'd have nothing to judge it by except the obvious, the old cars.

I liked Brad Pitt's stunt double buddy character quite a bit more than LDC, it's probably my favorite performance now of Pitt, but they are still both good in this along with the pit bull, Brad Pitt's dog. This one is quite a bit above par and a lot of fum to watch.   Damian Lewis looks like Steve McQueen reincarnated. Al Pacino plays a Hollywood big shot.

There is also a pretty funny bit between Brad Pitt and with Mike Moh as Bruce Lee.

All I can agree with DJ on is that the narration toward the end was indeed very annoying and unnecessary (I groaned as I felt we were regressing to one of his annoying dialogue-reliant films of his past). As I said earlier, the concept for the ending was great, but the execution was not.

Finally Tarantino has made something where he really respects the audience. This was a wonderful slow-burn film that teased at the plot throughout (just enough to keep you involved) while letting the viewer relish in its visual splendor. In terms of technical execution, there were also some really great shots, although I'd need to watch again to give more specifics.

Yes, Damian Lewis as Steve McQueen was uncanny!
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: PowerRR on August 06, 2019, 06:41:15 AM
It seems like SLWB is really split on Tarantino's latest...

cigarjoe: 9/10
rrpower: 9/10 first viewing, 10/10 second viewing (it has it's flaws, but that's what makes it a masterpiece)
Novecento: Best Tarantino film yet
davejenkins: 5/10
titoli: 2.5/10

I imagine drink will just copy DJ's thoughts, and N_L will give it an 8.5.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: cigar joe on August 06, 2019, 09:21:37 AM
It seems like SLWB is really split on Tarantino's latest...

cigarjoe: 9/10
rrpower: 9/10 first viewing, 10/10 second viewing (it has it's flaws, but that's what makes it a masterpiece)
Novecento: Best Tarantino film yet
davejenkins: 5/10
titoli: 2.5/10

I imagine drink will just copy DJ's thoughts, and N_L will give it an 8.5.

I'm surprised we haven't had more members chime in. When does it premier worldwide?
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: noodles_leone on August 06, 2019, 09:34:15 AM
I'm surprised we haven't had more members chime in. When does it premier worldwide?

France: 14th of august
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: T.H. on August 06, 2019, 10:03:02 AM
Easily Tarantino's best (I have not seen everything he has done, nor do I really care to).

So you haven't seen any of his 90s work?

I haven't seen this yet but saying this is easily better than Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction or Jackie Brown sounds like a massive overreaction.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: cigar joe on August 06, 2019, 10:34:37 AM
So you haven't seen any of his 90s work?

I haven't seen this yet but saying this is easily better than Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction or Jackie Brown sounds like a massive overreaction.

Its closer to Jackie Brown than any of the others.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: stanton on August 06, 2019, 10:43:33 AM
France: 14th of august

Same here in Germany.

I'm expecting a lot, even if his 2 westerns were less good than expected.

QT is a modern master of cinema, which means he made several excellent films. Actually already more than the Leone.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: titoli on August 06, 2019, 11:43:18 AM
Its closer to Jackie Brown than any of the others.


Which wouldn't mean much even if what you say were true. JB was based on a solid novel with a solid plot and even dialogues were taken almost unchanged from Leonard (who's a master of dialogues). I was amazed at how much QT took from the novel (apart from the protagonist not being black, the finale is slightly different, as the couple might not split as in the movie). Here you have dialogues (or monologues) which do not push ahead the action, as there is no action except the Manson's side line.  There is no plot, only a series of scenes which try to build a character (LDC's) with no great effort at originality. With the interpolation of scenes with no significance whatever, if not the fun of having a reconstruction of the past by images. But as I said those scenes often fall into stupidity.

Here the movie will be distributed in September, although there already have been two presentations: one for the fans (with QT and the cast) and one for the press, both in Rome.
But if somebody in Europe wants to see it now, with no great effort one can find copies online.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: cigar joe on August 06, 2019, 01:45:43 PM
Just see it for yourselves it will either work for you or it won't.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: Novecento on August 06, 2019, 04:34:23 PM
So you haven't seen any of his 90s work?

I haven't seen this yet but saying this is easily better than Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction or Jackie Brown sounds like a massive overreaction.

I've seen Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction, albeit a very long time ago. I've never seen Jackie Brown, but I have seen several of his other works.

I have always very much respected Tarantino as an "auteur" in a often uninspiring Hollywood. Having said that, I never really appreciated his work. I was surprised how much I enjoyed "The Hateful Eight" and then was quite simply blown away by "Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood". I felt I saw some real artistry this time and will definitely be watching it again.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: T.H. on August 06, 2019, 05:13:24 PM
I've seen Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction, albeit a very long time ago. I've never seen Jackie Brown, but I have seen several of his other works.

I have always very much respected Tarantino as an "auteur" in a often uninspiring Hollywood. Having said that, I never really appreciated his work. I was surprised how much I enjoyed "The Hateful Eight" and then was quite simply blown away by "Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood". I felt I saw some real artistry this time and will definitely be watching it again.
I'd definitely revisit his 90s stuff, his westerns border on caricature (Death Proof even more so).
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: stanton on August 06, 2019, 11:51:03 PM
Death Proof is QT at his best, I love it, as I love Kill Bill, which gets better with every viewing, and Inglorious Basterds.

Jackie Brown is a comparatively lesser film, a kinda "safety" film after the success and hype around Pulp Fiction. I have to rewatch his 2 westerns, but somehow I think they won't improve that much. But then, so far all of his films became more intensive with repeated viewings.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: Novecento on August 07, 2019, 03:06:45 AM
I'd definitely revisit his 90s stuff, his westerns border on caricature (Death Proof even more so).

Like I said, I'm seeing something different in this film. It was largely very restrained. Supposedly cool dialogue and grotesque violence do not make a movie for me. I think a discussion of the technical aspects versus his other films would be quite interesting.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: Novecento on August 07, 2019, 03:24:51 AM
I read an article comparing the violent end scene to The Wild Bunch or Bonnie and Clyde. I couldn't disagree more. Both of those are technically and artistically brilliant (they are also gratuitous but not grotesque).
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 07, 2019, 07:16:59 AM
Although I didn't like the film as a whole, there were sequences in it I enjoyed very much. My favorite was the one where Brad Pitt's character visits Spahn Ranch, partly because of the way Tarantino directed it, but also because the recreation of the Ranch was pretty impressive. I've just found a blog that has info and photos of the set and it's pretty interesting: https://iversonmovieranch.blogspot.com/2018/10/its-wrap-tarantinos-spahn-ranch-set-at.html
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: cigar joe on August 07, 2019, 11:51:35 AM
Although I didn't like the film as a whole, there were sequences in it I enjoyed very much. My favorite was the one where Brad Pitt's character visits Spahn Ranch, partly because of the way Tarantino directed it, but also because the recreation of the Ranch was pretty impressive. I've just found a blog that has info and photos of the set and it's pretty interesting: https://iversonmovieranch.blogspot.com/2018/10/its-wrap-tarantinos-spahn-ranch-set-at.html

Thanks
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 07, 2019, 02:05:16 PM
Idiocy: https://time.com/5645347/quentin-tarantino-women-dialogue/
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: cigar joe on August 07, 2019, 02:10:26 PM
Idiocy: https://time.com/5645347/quentin-tarantino-women-dialogue/

Sure is, lol
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: noodles_leone on August 07, 2019, 03:23:23 PM
Hugh. The guy did fucking DEATH PROOF, leave him alone.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: PowerRR on August 07, 2019, 04:44:57 PM
Idiocy: https://time.com/5645347/quentin-tarantino-women-dialogue/
lol. One of the dumbest, most clickbait articles by a popular publication I’ve seen.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: T.H. on August 07, 2019, 10:08:29 PM
Death Proof is QT at his best, I love it, as I love Kill Bill, which gets better with every viewing, and Inglorious Basterds.

Jackie Brown is a comparatively lesser film, a kinda "safety" film after the success and hype around Pulp Fiction. I have to rewatch his 2 westerns, but somehow I think they won't improve that much. But then, so far all of his films became more intensive with repeated viewings.
Strongly disagree about Jackie Brown. It's a love letter to the Blaxploitation subgenre and 70s B movies and is to those movies what Raging Bull is to the boxing movies from the 40s/50s. It's his most mature and nuanced movie.

I don't understand the fascination with Death Proof, it's almost like he made an entire movie based on the (bad) criticisms of his work. To me, it's pretty much self parody, even if it has some worth or value.

Idiocy: https://time.com/5645347/quentin-tarantino-women-dialogue/
That is a complete embarrassment.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 08, 2019, 07:57:02 AM
Strongly disagree about Jackie Brown. It's a love letter to the Blaxploitation subgenre and 70s B movies and is to those movies what Raging Bull is to the boxing movies from the 40s/50s. It's his most mature and nuanced movie.
100% right on.

Death Proof doesn't work for me unless it's paired with Planet Terror as part of the original Grindhouse package. Michael Parks provides the necessary link.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: Cusser on August 09, 2019, 10:56:19 AM
OK, spoilers below, proceed at your own risk.



We liked this film, but not as good in my opinion as Pulp Fiction, Inglorious Basterds, Django Unchained (the "D" is silent), Hateful Eight.

I wonder if its end scene should've had Manson and some followers walk up the driveway to the Tate-Polanski residence where by now Rick Dalton had joined Tate, Folger, and the others.....and leave it to viewers if Manson and followers followed up with their murders....
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: cigar joe on August 12, 2019, 03:53:45 AM
merged with another thread from "Other Films"
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: titoli on August 14, 2019, 11:50:05 AM
Tarantino inteviewed in Rome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1cYbgukiws
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: cigar joe on August 14, 2019, 03:04:55 PM
Tarantino inteviewed in Rome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1cYbgukiws

Thanks.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: mike siegel on August 14, 2019, 03:43:47 PM
Cut 30 minutes from the first 2/3 and it would be a great film.... Richardson was, as usual, at his best, superb vision  . The Bruce-sceene was really terrible, as was McQueen's hair, Polanski was a bit too ugly....but Pitt was great and the 8-year old actress a scene stealer (wow). Very fine, never over-the-top soundtrack. BUT, nothing is really happening in the first 100 minutes! The last half hour saved the day, for me anyway - I had thears in my eyes, thinking "if only it would have happened that way ..."
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: Novecento on August 14, 2019, 06:21:18 PM
The Bruce-sceene was really terrible..."

Tarantino seems to have taken some flak for that. It certainly didn't do justice to Bruce Lee's legacy. What was to be gained from taking such an approach anyway?

BUT, nothing is really happening in the first 100 minutes! The last half hour saved the day, for me anyway

My opinion's basically the opposite  :D

...as was McQueen's hair...

Looked like his hair in Le Mans to me.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: Novecento on August 14, 2019, 06:31:13 PM
Strongly disagree about Jackie Brown. It's a love letter to the Blaxploitation subgenre and 70s B movies and is to those movies what Raging Bull is to the boxing movies from the 40s/50s. It's his most mature and nuanced movie.

Turns out Jackie Brown was available on Netflix here so I took the chance to watch it. Unfortunately I had to split it up over a few nights due to commitments.

What a pleasant surprise! In terms of technical aspects, I didn't really find anything impressive at all, but in terms of story, characters, ambiance, etc. I really enjoyed it! For me, it was "Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood" before he developed some superior craftsmanship.

Thanks for the recommendation!
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: cigar joe on August 15, 2019, 03:16:23 AM
Quote
Quote from: mike siegel on Yesterday at 03:43:47 PM
BUT, nothing is really happening in the first 100 minutes! The last half hour saved the day, for me anyway

That first 100 minutes is a love letter to the 60s.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: mike siegel on August 15, 2019, 02:25:16 PM
That first 100 minutes is a love letter to the 60s.

That's a letter with beautiful handwriting, on golden paper - without much to say though...
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: cigar joe on August 15, 2019, 04:56:06 PM
That's a letter with beautiful handwriting, on golden paper - without much to say though...

Its not really supposed to say anything just recreating the Hollywood-centric zeitgeist of the times. 
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: Novecento on August 15, 2019, 08:35:42 PM
Sometimes that's all you need--it should be a visual experience after all (and no I'm not talking about artsy-farsty point and shoot films)
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: noodles_leone on August 16, 2019, 02:36:09 AM
Maybe it actually says a lot more than it's credited for.

About the power of cinema, of course. In a way deeper and more coherent way than Inglourious Basterds almost accidentaly "tried". And it doesn't wait for the last 30 minutes to build it up.
About MeToo, Polanski, Weinstein and more generally, sexual abuses in Hollywood. I have to think about it but the theme is very present the whole film and is concluded with a dog eating testicules.
About QT's own insecurities. I wouldn't be surprised if he saw the DiCaprio/Pitt duo as himself: both questioned by his own relevance in a rapidly evolving film world... and totally bad ass, zen and confident in his own ability to kick any ass that would be in his way.

I need to think more about the film before I can really debate the whole thing, but the poetry that comes seemingly out of nowhere in the end speaks for itself. You don't build that in 30 minutes.

Also, we tend to take for granted the fact that this whole nostalgia about Hollywood and a certain way of making movies is culturally relevant. But once Tarantino stops making movies, a huge chunk of all that is gonna be gone forever. He has almost single handedly be keeping all of it in the public eye for almost two decades now and has been taking a lot of shit for doing so, but we'll see what happens after him.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: mike siegel on August 16, 2019, 02:40:01 AM
Oh crazy world... usually Americans are so plot driven, plot plot plot...
When I mention films like TWO-LANE BLACKTOP I hear all the time "but there's
not much happening, what's the point..."
And now you justify almost 2 hrs. of plotless "atmosphere"  ;D ;D.

Normally I'm the guy who does that  ;D. I don't need much "plot", in general,
when you're Antonioni or Leone for that matter. He could play a scene for 12 minutes
without much happening and you can't get enough of it... But not Tarantino,
he used to be very good regarding storytelling, JACKIE BROWN is a case in point -
the story is good for 100 minutes, but watching him telling it in 150+ minutes
is pure joy...

I like ONCE UPON nevertheless, especially for its ending. The next time I'll know
what's coming and will enjoy the rest even more - I think.
It was the first time watching a Quentin film I was distracted after an hour or so.
I wasn't sucked into the story and into the characters as much as before and started to
check out camera work and all those anachronisms, like her watching a scratchy (!)
preview of CC & COMPANY, which was shot in May 1970!

Anyway, he's one of the few left that make REAL event movies...
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: noodles_leone on August 16, 2019, 02:49:56 AM
Oh crazy world... usually Americans are so plot driven, plot plot plot...
When I mention films like TWO-LANE BLACKTOP I hear all the time "but there's
not much happening, what's the point..."
And now you justify almost 2 hrs. of plotless "atmosphere"  ;D ;D.

Normally I'm the guy who does that  ;D. I don't need much "plot", in general,
when you're Antonioni or Leone for that matter. He could play a scene for 12 minutes
without much happening and you can't get enough of it... But not Tarantino,
he used to be very good regarding storytelling, JACKIE BROWN is a case in point -
the story is good for 100 minutes, but watching him telling it in 150+ minutes
is pure joy...

I like ONCE UPON nevertheless, especially for its ending. The next time I'll know
what's coming and will enjoy the rest even more - I think.
It was the first time watching a Quentin film I was distracted after an hour or so.
I wasn't sucked into the story and into the characters as much as before and started to
check out camera work and all those anachronisms, like her watching a scratchy (!)
preview of CC & COMPANY, which was shot in May 1970!

Anyway, he's one of the few left that make REAL event movies...

I'm convinced the reason why many are distracted during the first two hours has very little to do with the lack of plot, the length or any of the reasons we hear a lot. The actual reasons are:

- Some scenes are just not that good. There is no way around it. Mostly because they're too quickly written. That Bruce Lee monologue should be great, it isn't. Would all the scenes be as good as the scene when Pitt talks with the hippie girl, nobody would complain about anything.
- A lot of the intercuting between fake movies and the movie's events, a lot of the narration, a lot of the flashbacks... are done in a lazy way and really interrupt the flow.

Now I'm sure the movie works better with a second viewing, if only because a huge amount of little details in the movie are actually used in the final.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: mike siegel on August 16, 2019, 03:13:57 AM
I agree to all you've said!
That's exactly the point. Maybe it "feels" like lacking in plot because
we don't care too much about what's going on with Rick - due to
scenes not good enough...
Andie MacDowell's daughter was pretty good...

I'm not into feet, but for a Quentin-film (all) the feet-shots were pretty bad  ;D
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: Novecento on August 16, 2019, 04:12:44 AM
Oh crazy world... usually Americans are so plot driven, plot plot plot...
When I mention films like TWO-LANE BLACKTOP I hear all the time "but there's
not much happening, what's the point..."
And now you justify almost 2 hrs. of plotless "atmosphere"  ;D ;D.

Not that I think it's necessarily relevant, but I am just a long term permanent resident around these parts. I was born and mostly raised in Britain.

"Two Lane Blacktop" is fantastic.

...
...he used to be very good regarding storytelling, JACKIE BROWN is a case in point -
the story is good for 100 minutes, but watching him telling it in 150+ minutes
is pure joy...

Yes - why did no-one tell me about that diamond in the rough until now. Turns out even my wife had watched it before. Then again "Jackie Brown" showed no real visual flair whatsoever.

I need to think more about the film before I can really debate the whole thing, but the poetry that comes seemingly out of nowhere in the end speaks for itself. You don't build that in 30 minutes.

Very true. I just wish the ending had been executed differently. That was no Leone or Peckinpah finale by a long shot.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: noodles_leone on August 16, 2019, 05:12:49 AM
Novecento, how was the 35mm screening? There is a 35mm copy being screened in Paris, I almost went to see it there, and finally didn't.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: Novecento on August 16, 2019, 10:45:04 AM
It was really great. I'm lucky to live near the AFI (American Film Institute) Silver. They know how to handle such material properly! The film was actually a little worn by the time I managed to see it since it had already been playing for a couple of weeks. Weirdly, I kind of appreciate that though since it makes it feel a little more authentic with the occasional flickering and speckling etc. At one point one of those lines appeared down the screen for a while too. Image quality and color was of course great as you would expect on properly projected film stock.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 16, 2019, 12:53:22 PM
I'm convinced the reason why many are distracted during the first two hours has very little to do with the lack of plot, the length or any of the reasons we hear a lot. The actual reasons are:

- Some scenes are just not that good. There is no way around it. Mostly because they're too quickly written. That Bruce Lee monologue should be great, it isn't. Would all the scenes be as good as the scene when Pitt talks with the hippie girl, nobody would complain about anything.
I'm in complete agreement on this point. Another "nothing" scene is the one at the Playboy mansion. Nothing happens there except we are told about the triangle of Polanksi-Tate-the hairdresser guy. We need a whole scene for that? Actually, the purpose of the scene is to show off set design, costuming, and actors who can pass for others. Look, look, we can re-create the mansion, the atmosphere, the players! There's Mama Cass! There's Steve and Connie! And those who aren't hip enough to recognize all the ersatz cameos? Well, we piss on them from a very great height.

And on and on it went. I found it all very tiresome.

Now I'll make myself scarce before CJ tries to take my head off.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: noodles_leone on September 14, 2019, 02:28:59 AM
PTA interviews QT about the film:

https://youtu.be/k7Vj6DyD29k
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: cigar joe on September 14, 2019, 04:12:18 AM
I'm in complete agreement on this point. Another "nothing" scene is the one at the Playboy mansion. Nothing happens there except we are told about the triangle of Polanksi-Tate-the hairdresser guy. We need a whole scene for that? Actually, the purpose of the scene is to show off set design, costuming, and actors who can pass for others. Look, look, we can re-create the mansion, the atmosphere, the players! There's Mama Cass! There's Steve and Connie! And those who aren't hip enough to recognize all the ersatz cameos? Well, we piss on them from a very great height.

And on and on it went. I found it all very tiresome.

Now I'll make myself scarce before CJ tries to take my head off.

I'd agree with you on the above if you were talking about Inglourious Basterds, but recreating the 60s in OUTIH was for me fascinating.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: noodles_leone on September 16, 2019, 01:52:20 AM
The recreation of an area was indeed MUCH BETTER DONE even in the worst scene of OUATIH than in Inglourious Basterds (worst QT effort to that respect), Django Unchained or even Hateful 8. But the Playboy Mansion sequence is among the ones that would have been better off on the cutting room floor. Very amateurish.

That being said the more I think about the film, the more I like it.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: cigar joe on September 16, 2019, 04:04:16 AM
The recreation of an area was indeed MUCH BETTER DONE even in the worst scene of OUATIH than in Inglourious Basterds (worst QT effort to that respect), Django Unchained or even Hateful 8. But the Playboy Mansion sequence is among the ones that would have been better off on the cutting room floor. Very amateurish.

That being said the more I think about the film, the more I like it.

I just don't know that much about the Sharon Tate story to know what significance, if any, the Playboy Mansion had in her life. So I agree, it didn't have to be in the film as far as I can tell. Maybe it's supposed to be a symbolic nod to the sexual revolution taking place in the late 60s.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: noodles_leone on September 16, 2019, 04:12:16 AM
Yeah that could be the idea. Which is important for the film.

Have you listen to the interview I posted earlier? You'll like it.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: PowerRR on September 16, 2019, 07:55:42 AM
If I could have been in that room with PTA and QT I think I'd have been arrested for trying to kidnap both of them and keeping them captive in my well. great interview
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: cigar joe on September 16, 2019, 09:57:39 AM
Yeah that could be the idea. Which is important for the film.

Have you listen to the interview I posted earlier? You'll like it.

Not all of it. I started it but had to pause it, I'll finish it for sure.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: titoli on September 17, 2019, 01:15:48 AM
Rewatched it, this time with subtitles. I still don't get what the point of the whole movie is. One can say:"There's no point". OK, so there's no point watching it too. So it's 2/10 again.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: PowerRR on September 17, 2019, 06:47:35 AM
Rewatched it, this time with subtitles. I still don't get what the point of the whole movie is. One can say:"There's no point". OK, so there's no point watching it too. So it's 2/10 again.
There's no way you actually dislike this movie that much if you decided to see it AGAIN when in theaters.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: titoli on September 17, 2019, 11:29:35 AM
I did watch again my bootleg copy this time with subtitles.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on October 24, 2019, 09:42:01 AM
https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/quentin-tarantino-adds-four-scenes-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-re-release-1202184268/?
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: PowerRR on October 24, 2019, 01:30:03 PM
https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/quentin-tarantino-adds-four-scenes-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-re-release-1202184268/?
Cool, but... just gimme the blu ray.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: cigar joe on October 24, 2019, 02:35:00 PM
Cool, but... just gimme the blu ray.

agree
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: dave jenkins on November 01, 2019, 07:25:39 AM
OK: https://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/threads/sphe-press-release-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-4k-uhd-blu-ray.364254/
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: cigar joe on November 02, 2019, 06:50:30 AM
OK: https://www.hometheaterforum.com/community/threads/sphe-press-release-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-4k-uhd-blu-ray.364254/

OK Thanks, I'll probably be picking this up.
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: Novecento on November 03, 2019, 04:08:04 AM
20 mins of additional footage on the BD but only 10 mins in theaters....
Title: Re: Once Upon a Time . . . in Hollywood (2019)
Post by: mike siegel on November 04, 2019, 10:30:57 AM
But probably only as "extras", It's not an extended version like the theatrical re-release?