Sergio Leone Web Board

Films of Sergio Leone => For a Few Dollars More => Topic started by: titoli on March 24, 2023, 04:05:08 PM

Title: Eastwood's Hat
Post by: titoli on March 24, 2023, 04:05:08 PM
I don't know whether this has been already discussed but I noticed that at the start of the hat duel between Eastwood and LVC, the hat of the former is already punctured (and sewn up) by whatever they used to make a hole into it. Also, the same hole is visible in GBU. I don't remember whether the hole was made in FOD.

In FFDM  at 54'39''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIqLodn26CI

In GBU at 5'29''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdB_3auVx00

Title: Re: Eastwood's Hat
Post by: Cusser on April 26, 2023, 06:27:32 AM
Typical out-of-sequence shooting; holes were made by Mortimer in the street "duel" than sewn up for closer takes or re-shoots.

Similar to the sewn-up bullet holes in the poncho from Ramon's bullets being visible earlier in the film, where Eastwood or continuity person failed to reverse the poncho to hide the sewn holes from the camera.  In a few scenes in FDM and GBU the sewn-up holes in the poncho can be seen.
Title: Re: Eastwood's Hat
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 27, 2023, 04:41:50 AM
Typical out-of-sequence shooting; holes were made by Mortimer in the street "duel" than sewn up for closer takes or re-shoots.

Similar to the sewn-up bullet holes in the poncho from Ramon's bullets being visible earlier in the film, where Eastwood or continuity person failed to reverse the poncho to hide the sewn holes from the camera.  In a few scenes in FDM and GBU the sewn-up holes in the poncho can be seen.

I guess it was a one-of-a-kind poncho they could not find another one for FAFDM!
Title: Re: Eastwood's Hat
Post by: noodles_leone on April 27, 2023, 06:21:34 AM
I guess it was a one-of-a-kind poncho they could not find another one for FAFDM!

Eastwood says he bought it (in California if I remember correctly?). So i guess they just went with it until the end.
Title: Re: Eastwood's Hat
Post by: Cusser on April 27, 2023, 07:15:43 AM
I guess it was a one-of-a-kind poncho they could not find another one for FAFDM!

Poncho, vest, and hat were one of a kind items.  Eastwood took his outfit back to the hotel with him every night, didn't trust the Italian crew.  He told same to Van Cleef and Wallach, and also told them to write down what they'd said, to make sure they'd get it right during dubbing.

Clint has the poncho and other stuff (including the rattlesnake handle revolvers that he'd purchased after outlaw used them in Rawhide episode 3). These were all on display at the Leone Exhibition in Los Angeles 2005-2006, I saw them there.  Clint wore the poncho in a parade a few years ago, see the holes.
(https://i.imgur.com/fNOrDwa.jpg)
Title: Re: Eastwood's Hat
Post by: drinkanddestroy on April 27, 2023, 10:48:05 AM
Poncho, vest, and hat were one of a kind items.  Eastwood took his outfit back to the hotel with him every night, didn't trust the Italian crew.  He told same to Van Cleef and Wallach, and also told them to write down what they'd said, to make sure they'd get it right during dubbing.

Clint has the poncho and other stuff (including the rattlesnake handle revolvers that he'd purchased after outlaw used them in Rawhide episode 3). These were all on display at the Leone Exhibition in Los Angeles 2005-2006, I saw them there.  Clint wore the poncho in a parade a few years ago, see the holes.
(https://i.imgur.com/fNOrDwa.jpg)

is that the same hat? NO WAY. It looks gray
Title: Re: Eastwood's Hat
Post by: titoli on April 27, 2023, 06:54:28 PM
We know that Leone spent half a day with Fonda to pick up the right hat. It is possible that the same happened with Eastwood and that the hat never went to the USA. And I'm not even sure that it was Eastwood who bought the poncho.
Title: Re: Eastwood's Hat
Post by: Cusser on April 28, 2023, 06:10:45 AM
I also believe that the poncho was picked up in Europe.

I can't remember if the hat was included in the Leone Exhibition; they did not allow photographs there.
Title: Re: Eastwood's Hat
Post by: titoli on April 28, 2023, 11:58:45 PM
I also believe that the poncho was picked up in Europe.

I was thinking about it and it is unlikely that the choice of such an important item was left to Eastwood. More credible that Simi went looking for it after having discussed with Leone (see the drawing in my poncho thread).
Title: Re: Eastwood's Hat
Post by: noodles_leone on April 29, 2023, 10:56:25 AM
I never really believed the Eastwood story. Something that is so Leonian and so not Eastwoodian had to be at least discussed by Leone and his team. Also Leone said (in the Simsolo book?) he didn't like how Eastwood was dressed (irl not on screen). My bet is that Eastwood came with some parts of the costume but not everything, and not everything was greenlighted.
Title: Re: Eastwood's Hat
Post by: Clinton on April 30, 2023, 08:24:43 AM
I never really believed the Eastwood story. Something that is so Leonian and so not Eastwoodian had to be at least discussed by Leone and his team. Also Leone said (in the Simsolo book?) he didn't like how Eastwood was dressed (irl not on screen). My bet is that Eastwood came with some parts of the costume but not everything, and not everything was greenlighted.

Clint Eastwood received a copy of the script, presumably with the working title "The Magnificent Stranger" (Texas Joe). The poncho is mentioned in the script. Thus, he would have known in advance that it was going to be part of his wardrobe. Carlo Simi, costumer designer, would also have known that the script described a poncho and, at some point, he made a design sketch of the poncho. The screen used poncho was very similar to the design in the sketch, but it included some more elaborate patterns. Thus, the screen used poncho appears to have emerged from the production "design". In other words, the Simi sketch was not simply a portrait of Clint Eastwood in a purchased poncho.
Title: Re: Eastwood's Hat
Post by: cigar joe on April 30, 2023, 08:44:16 AM
Clint Eastwood received a copy of the script, presumably with the working title "The Magnificent Stranger" (Texas Joe). The poncho is mentioned in the script. Thus, he would have known in advance that it was going to be part of his wardrobe. Carlo Simi, costumer designer, would also have known that the script described a poncho and, at some point, he made a design sketch of the poncho. The screen used poncho was very similar to the design in the sketch, but it included some more elaborate patterns. Thus, the screen used poncho appears to have emerged from the production "design". In other words, the Simi sketch was not simply a portrait of Clint Eastwood in a purchased poncho.

And it's maybe even dated earlier than the actual production, it would be interesting to find out the date on the sketches, no?
Title: Re: Eastwood's Hat
Post by: Le Bon on September 06, 2023, 02:19:22 PM
I also believe that the poncho was picked up in Europe.

I can't remember if the hat was included in the Leone Exhibition; they did not allow photographs there.

Pretty sure Clint didn't keep the hat. I have a theory that it was worn by Jason Robards in OUATITW. It has holes in the same place, same colour., pushed  around to change the shape. The front dips down and the hat band was removed and used by Bronson.

The hat Clint wore at the Carmel festival above was from Unforgiven, vest and Bandana from High Plains Drifter
Title: Re: Eastwood's Hat
Post by: titoli on October 17, 2023, 02:49:27 PM
I read in a book I reviewed today that quotes an article from an italian newspaper, that the "Stetsons" seen in the SW were actually produced in Florence, Italy.