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Title: Grindhouse
Post by: Film-Junkie Zach on November 26, 2004, 01:26:15 PM
1.Kill Bill
2.The Good The Bad and The Ugly
3.Taxi Driver
4.La Strada
5.Master Of The Flying Guillotine
6.Carrie
7.The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
8.The Way Of The Dragon
9.Thriller:a cruel picture
10.Coffy


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Two Kinds of ... on November 26, 2004, 07:23:54 PM
I saw the Leone flicks in normal theaters...  So they ain't making this list but, here we go!

Crippleds Avengers
The Five Fingers of Death
Master of the Flying Guillotine
The Kid With The Golden Arm
Superfly
Shaft
Hitman
Dolemite
36th Chamber of Shaolin (Master Killer)
The Streetfighter

Now, on my list I only including flix I saw at places like The Jefferson Theater, which was just below 14th st on Third Avenue in Manhattan.

I'm not counting things I saw in regular theaters or in other media.

I love Kill Bill because it is a tribute to Grindhouse, but it was an event flick, not a grinder.   He had a budget!   I did go see both Kill Bill's as a double feature at The New Beverly out here in LA, which is QT's favorite theater.   It's not a grindhouse, more like a Greenwich Village type art/neighborhood theater.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Film-Junkie Zach on November 26, 2004, 09:04:00 PM
Kill Bill is a Grindhouse Epic Film!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Two Kinds of ... on November 26, 2004, 09:08:02 PM
Kill Bill is a Grindhouse Epic Film!
You want to think so go ahead.  It's lovingly inspired by grindhouse flicks, but it ain't one.   BTW, the Dollars stuff mostly played in art houses, believe it or not in NYC.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Film-Junkie Zach on November 26, 2004, 09:10:28 PM
I Know it was inspired by Grindhouse films. Yeah, The Dollars Trilogy was mostly played in arthouses and Grindhouses too


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Two Kinds of ... on November 26, 2004, 09:22:11 PM
The Jefferson theater used to show Kung Fu/Blaxploitation double features.   They were a blast.  I think I saw Fiver Fingers of Death (King Boxer) with Truck Turner.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Jon1 on February 17, 2007, 01:30:07 PM
I haven't really seen any films that could be termed "exploitation" films to the best of my knowledge.  Are there any that are good movies in their own right....not because of nostalgic appeal or the "It's so bad, it's funny" appeal?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on February 17, 2007, 01:43:41 PM
Here is a list of some of the ones I have. Whether you think these are good depends entirely on your tastes. Many famous actors did time in some of these as well--

SPIDER BABY
MARK OF THE DEVIL
MAKE THEM DIE SLOWLY
LADY TERMINATOR
THE FLESH EATERS
TENEMENT
ILSA, SHE WOLF OF THE SS
ILSA, HAREM KEEPER OF THE OIL SHIEKS
MANDINGO
DRUM
GOODBYE, UNCLE TOM
FIGHT FOR YOUR LIFE
TRUCK TURNER
THE CANDY SNATCHERS
LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT
WELCOME TO ARROW BEACH
THE FREAKMAKER
POOR PRETTY EDDIE
BIG BAD MAMA
DEATHRACE 2000
DEATHSPORT
THE STREETFIGHTER (Sonny Chiba)
THE FLYING GUILLOTINE
5 FINGERS OF DEATH
5 DEADLY VENOMS
FOXY BROWN
COFFY
FLESH FOR FRANKENSTEIN
ZERO WOMAN: RED HANDCUFFS (1974)
CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST
DR. BUTCHER M.D.
CANNIBAL APOCALYPSE
NIGHT TRAIN MURDERS
THE LAST CANNIBAL WORLD.....

Check the grindhouse thread I started for some others. This is all I can think of without looking in my catalog.



Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on February 17, 2007, 01:54:43 PM
Arizona Colt, how is Foxy Brown and Coffee? I want to see those two films.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on February 17, 2007, 02:21:40 PM
FOXY BROWN is the more "laid back" of the two and is more outrageous. The more famous of the two, Brown gets revenge for her boyfriends slaying recruiting some Black Panther type muthers to help in her revenge. The ending is classic. Pam gives the girlfriend of the main villain a very special "gift". Pam gets raped, beaten and injected with heroin throughout. One guy gets chopped up in an airplane propeller. The exploitation element is high.

COFFY is more serious although no less violent. Here, the plot is similar. Pam gets revenge for her sisters death who overdosed on drugs by killing off the criminals responsible. A bit more of a mean streak. One cool scene sees Pam indulge in a 3 on 1 fight. She evens the odds by having put razor blades in her afro! Another particularly brutal scene involves the torture death of Thalmus Rasthula who plays a pimp. Sid Haig returns only this time as one of the main villains. COFFY was filmed in 73 and FOXY BROWN in 74. Director Jack Hill prefers COFFY over the other picture. Another CLASSIC grindhouse film directed by Hill and starring Grier and Haig(as lovers fighting in a revolution!) is THE BIG BIRD CAGE also starring former PRICE IS RIGHT girl Anitra Ford who also starred in another exploitation favorite INVASION OF THE BEE GIRLS with big William Smith.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on February 17, 2007, 02:27:39 PM
Thanks for posting that list Arizona. I had seen more then I realised.  O0


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Jon1 on February 17, 2007, 02:29:27 PM
Is there a decent, cheap box set of these sorts of titles?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on February 17, 2007, 02:34:37 PM
http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=4757.0

Here's the link to the thread I started but abandoned. There's even more listed here.

There's a FOX BOX from MGM that has FOXY BROWN, COFFY, SHEBA, BABY and maybe one other. Most of these can be found for $10-$20. Some are available only as dupes however. There's no way a movie like MANDINGO or DRUM will ever get a legit US DVD release (although Paramount did release MANDINGO to VHS in the mid 80s). Not in this PC climate today. I was shocked that GOODBYE UNCLE TOM could be bought at Best Buy(!) sandwiched in the middle of Blue Undergrounds MONDO CANE BOX. Possibly the most incendiary film ever made.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: pixelated on February 17, 2007, 02:36:14 PM
there's quite a few available on netflix too...


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on February 17, 2007, 02:40:27 PM
I suggest reading up on the titles before you rent/buy. I gather many of the members here wouldn't be interested in these sorts of things normally. At least to get a better idea what you're going to see. I remember a friend that was so enamored with Tarantino's films but couldn't be bothered to see where his inspirations sprang from. A lot of QT's dialog exchanges come from these movies too.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: pixelated on February 17, 2007, 02:46:41 PM
I suggest reading up on the titles before you rent/buy. I gather many of the members here wouldn't be interested in these sorts of things normally. At least to get a better idea what you're going to see. I remember a friend that was so enamored with Tarantino's films but couldn't be bothered to see where his inspirations sprang from. A lot of QT's dialog exchanges come from these movies too.

more like, most everything QT has ever shot, done and written  :P


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on February 17, 2007, 02:52:04 PM
Yeah, you can say that again! I appreciate his enthusiasm, but I don't know whether to love'em or hate'em for his refusal to try and bring some respectability to the films he loves so well. Similar to what Leone did with OUATITW--his ode to the Hollywood western. He and Argento took their most treasured moments and made them their own. QT never did that.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: pixelated on February 17, 2007, 03:02:34 PM
yeah, i hear ya man.. for me though, i'm just happy to be seeing someone making these films today- and doing them well. at the same time, this dude is getting tons of fame and respect, and at least in the general public- nobody even realizes that he's just ripping off old movies


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on February 17, 2007, 03:07:58 PM
I'm just waiting for QT to make a full fledged western movie. He's always talking about how he wants to film his own spaghetti western, but if you know QT, you know he just talks, and talks a lot, and doesn't get things done, so we'll see.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on February 17, 2007, 03:12:50 PM
I think the one thing that QT said that really burned me up was that he wanted to shoot an old school kung fu movie with intentionally bad dubbing. Why? Supposedly, he pissed off Yuen Woo Ping on the set of KILL BILL and Liu Chia Hui (Gordon Liu) had to finish out the action scenes. But when I saw this in the theater, QT committed a cardinal sin--he had Sonny Chiba, the freakin' STREETFIGHTER (the first film to be rated X for violence alone) and didn't utilize him in the action scenes at all! At the end when Uma was getting beat up I thought for sure Chiba would come rushing in dressed in his famous KAGE NO GUNDAN outfit or his Terry Tsurugi STREETFIGHTER get-up and go to town on the baddies at the last minute. A MISSED and a WHOLLY WASTED opportunity. :(


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: pixelated on February 17, 2007, 03:16:01 PM
i think the thing that burns me up the most, are the people in the special feature docs, that talk about his ideas for scenes and characters as if they are so original and the flashes of a genius.

the dude is smart, i will not say he isn't, but come on. all one has to do is pop in the movie he ripped off to be completely floored with what he's getting away with


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Jon1 on February 17, 2007, 03:24:54 PM
i think the thing that burns me up the most, are the people in the special feature docs, that talk about his ideas for scenes and characters as if they are so original and the flashes of a genius.

the dude is smart, i will not say he isn't, but come on. all one has to do is pop in the movie he ripped off to be completely floored with what he's getting away with

QT's always been pretty upfront about his influences I think.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on February 17, 2007, 03:28:45 PM
Well, he is keeping the genres alive at least with the die hard fans. Most people could care less where he got his inspirations from. Hopefully down the road he'll do something of his own and not an amalgamation. Discounting JACKIE BROWN, probably the only film that isn't pilfered from other pictures although he has claimed it is his blaxploitation piece, it doesn't seem at all like one though. Did you happen to see him hyping this one? Did you notice how his voice suddenly changed to rapper, ghetto speech? Supposedly, he called a waitress the 'N' word a short time after in NY.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on February 17, 2007, 03:38:56 PM
QT's always been pretty upfront about his influences I think.

With his personal clique of friends yes, but he's not going public and say-- "Yeah, well, you know, KILL BILL was really just an almost note for note remake of LADY SNOWBLOOD, and I even used the theme song, too for effect." Nor, "Yeah man, the Vipers, they're just a new version of Ted V. Mikels THE DOLL SQUAD."

Probably the weirdest bit of movie rape occurs when Carradine tells the story of Pai Mei. A true story but not the way Carradine tells it. Pai Mei was actually a traitor siding with the Wu Tang Clan and helped the invading Manchurian forces destroy the Shaolin Temple and any revolutionaries who were against their rule.

Interestingly, Gordon Liu portrayed a character who fought against Pai Mei in the classic Shaw film EXECUTIONERS OF SHAOLIN with Lo Lieh as Pai Mei and also in CLAN OF THE WHITE LOTUS which Lo also directed and played the main white haired villain, a classmate of Pai Mei's.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: pixelated on February 17, 2007, 03:39:15 PM
QT's always been pretty upfront about his influences I think.

i'm not saying he hasn't, and its a good thing that he is, as well as trying to inject new enthusiasm/popularity into the genres...

a lot of the things he's done though kinda go past influence and directly into ripping off, at least in my opinion.. not to say that most of the movies he draws from aren't guilty of this themselves, but most of these movies/makers never gained any popularity or status above the cult crowd...


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Jon1 on February 17, 2007, 03:39:57 PM
I'm just waiting for QT to make a full fledged western movie. He's always talking about how he wants to film his own spaghetti western, but if you know QT, you know he just talks, and talks a lot, and doesn't get things done, so we'll see.
I'm waiting for Inglorious Bastards....don't think it'll ever get done though.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on February 17, 2007, 03:41:34 PM
It would be fun to sit down and conversate with him just the same.  O0


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Jon1 on February 17, 2007, 03:42:33 PM
With his personal clique of friends yes, but he's not going public and say-- "Yeah, well, you know, KILL BILL was really just an almost note for note remake of LADY SNOWBLOOD, and I even used the theme song, too for effect." Nor, "Yeah man, the Vipers, they're just a new version of Ted V. Mikels THE DOLL SQUAD."
Well I mean are you expecting a step by step dissection of it's infuences immediately following the movie?  The general movie going public doesn't know, mostly because they don't care.  I think most people who follow movies know that he borrowed a lot though.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on February 17, 2007, 03:42:46 PM
I'm waiting for Inglorious Bastards....don't think it'll ever get done though.

With the cast he had lined up, you'd be better off with the original.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: pixelated on February 17, 2007, 03:44:28 PM
Well I mean are you expecting a step by step dissection of it's infuences immediately following the movie?  The general movie going public doesn't know, mostly because they don't care.  I think most people who follow movies know that he borrowed a lot though.

you should go watch some of these movies and then gives your thoughts  ;)  it seriously doesnt take a step by step dissection.. a casual viewing of these films is enough


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Jon1 on February 17, 2007, 03:46:43 PM
I haven't seen Lady Snowblood....but I've seen Game of Death (the yellow track suit), etc.....I'm not going into it all.

But you're right, I should see the films.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on February 17, 2007, 03:47:54 PM
Well I mean are you expecting a step by step dissection of it's infuences immediately following the movie?  The general movie going public doesn't know, mostly because they don't care.  I think most people who follow movies know that he borrowed a lot though.


No. It's just unnerving when friends of mine or others in general speak of his hip or cool style or originality and aren't aware or as you said do not care from whence the source came. The same thing goes for all these American horror films of late that are remakes of Japanese originals. Instead of releasing the original, we get a heartless, souless rendition. Cinematic rascism of the highest order.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on February 17, 2007, 03:49:51 PM
I haven't seen Lady Snowblood....but I've seen Game of Death (the yellow track suit), etc.....I'm not going into it all.

But you're right, I should see the films.

GAME OF DEATH actually borrowed its Pagoda sequence from the classic Shaw film HAVE SWORD WILL TRAVEL (1969) released on R1 dvd from Image two weeks ago.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 26, 2007, 11:27:14 AM
Ok who's excited? If you're not, watch this 25-minute featurette. If you're a true film fan, I think theirs something for everyone to love in this movie...

http://www.movieweb.com/news/87/18387.php

Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino have such a passion for film, and this is why I respect them.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 26, 2007, 11:41:31 AM
I'm psyched.

And that's why you're the man Jon3 even though you love Hanoi Jane. lol


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 26, 2007, 11:54:26 AM
haha....April 6th it comes out?

Yes, sir...April 6th it is!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 26, 2007, 12:05:19 PM
Looks like that's the release date.  Looked it up.  So 2 weeks to go.  This thread might be sort of premature

I just wanted to know if there was any hype amongst the people posting here.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 26, 2007, 01:43:21 PM
I think there might already be a topic about it from a while back.  But no big deal

I apologize if there is.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Franks Harmonica on March 26, 2007, 02:30:02 PM
Watch for me in Planet Terror ... I will be the Paramedic that is killed and eaten by two zombies in the hospital.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 26, 2007, 02:45:18 PM
Watch for me in Planet Terror ... I will be the Paramedic that is killed and eaten by two zombies in the hospital.

You're in Planet Terror Franks Harmonica? You're an actor? Talk to me buddy.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 26, 2007, 03:41:02 PM
Definatly looking forward to this. Will keep an eye out for you TH  O0


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: cigar joe on March 26, 2007, 04:37:41 PM
me too! we saw the trailer at 300, and the wife is psyched too  O0


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 26, 2007, 05:03:51 PM
me too! we saw the trailer at 300, and the wife is psyched too  O0

Well cigar joe, your wife and yourself have great taste. I never doubted that.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on March 26, 2007, 05:31:35 PM
Anybody here thinking "Death Proof" is gonna be the better of the two? (Full disclosure: I'm a Kurt Russell fan).


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 26, 2007, 06:33:12 PM
Anybody here thinking "Death Proof" is gonna be the better of the two? (Full disclosure: I'm a Kurt Russell fan).

"Death Proof" will be better of the two in my opinion. I'm looking forward to both, no doubt, but I think I'll enjoy"Death Proof" more. I'm also a Kurt Russell fan dave jenkins! It's nice to talk to a fellow fan of Kurts. He looks badass in this. I can't wait.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Franks Harmonica on March 26, 2007, 10:49:13 PM
I have a casting agent, so if something good comes up ... I'll take the gig.... the two biggest films that Ive worked on were "Grindhouse" and "Idiocracy"


Its really just a way to get on a set whether it be acting, extra, boom operator, costumes, or PA. I try to ingest everything that I can when I'm on set and always trying to make connections wherever possible.
The KNB crew of Greg Nicotero and Kevin Wasner were the coolest guys on set ... they showed us around on the SE trailer and got me the death scene that I wanted!
All in all a great time!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 26, 2007, 11:10:17 PM
That's awesome man. I sent you a message my friend. Check it out when you get a chance.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on March 26, 2007, 11:15:11 PM
Watch for me in Planet Terror ... I will be the Paramedic that is killed and eaten by two zombies in the hospital.

 O0 O0 That's awesome!! (hope you're not kidding  ;))

The moives themselves look great, and the fact that it's a double feature event will make it all the more enjoyable an experience.  I'm guessing it may not be a great idea to go see it premier night. Too many people.  I may need to fight the urge and see it a couple days later... :'(



Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Franks Harmonica on March 27, 2007, 01:42:30 AM
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/kevinbucket/capture6.jpg)

Thats me on the right as in a screen capture from the dvd of "Idiocracy" ...


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Franks Harmonica on March 27, 2007, 01:49:50 AM
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/kevinbucket/l_fd3a531c0090217473e021d82726a971.jpg)

okay ... I snuck my camera on set and managed to get this shot ... It is a Texas Armory that was used on the weekend as the hospital in "Planet Terror" ... using CGI they will add another story to the Armory to make it appear as a two story hospital.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Franks Harmonica on March 27, 2007, 01:52:09 AM
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/kevinbucket/613787208_l.jpg)

This is me after my Death scene around 8am ... about to clean up.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Franks Harmonica on March 27, 2007, 01:54:10 AM
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h119/kevinbucket/l_e7d2f436450a7fe08fe6102a63e9091e.jpg)

Finally ... this is a photo of the room ..

"SPOILER ALERT"

after Nicky Katt becomes infected and kills his doctor ....


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 27, 2007, 04:11:31 AM
Now that is cool. Thanks for posting FH  O0


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 27, 2007, 08:44:17 AM
That's a cool picture indeed. Thanks for posting!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on March 27, 2007, 10:09:59 AM
Why do they feel the need to put all that cgi in a film that pays homage to a genre that did without any big budget effects?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJyHfKNNaes


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 27, 2007, 10:18:10 AM
Why do they feel the need to put all that cgi in a film that pays homage to genre that did without any big budget effects?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJyHfKNNaes

Good point Firecracker. I don't get the use of CGI in this preticular film.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Franks Harmonica on March 27, 2007, 11:08:30 AM
Because Rodriguez is a flashy, overrated director... who is all style over substance and can never do anything good without riding the coattails of someone talented.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 27, 2007, 11:55:06 AM
Because Rodriguez is a flashy, overrated director... who is all style over substance and can never do anything good without riding the coattails of someone talented.

Guess your up for a part in Sin City II then  ;D  O0


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on March 27, 2007, 04:42:45 PM
Because Rodriguez is a flashy, overrated director... who is all style over substance and can never do anything good without riding the coattails of someone talented.


Okay. So what's Tarantino's excuse??


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on March 27, 2007, 05:05:00 PM

Okay. So what's Tarantino's excuse??


Right, if anybody is as guilty as Rodriguez is, it's Tarantino.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on March 27, 2007, 05:16:16 PM
Of CGI?  Aside from "Death Proof" which none of us have seen...which movie does he use CGI in?


It's riddled in PLANET TERROR and that trailer with that Machete character.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on March 27, 2007, 05:21:44 PM

It's riddled in PLANET TERROR and that trailer with that Machete character.

Aside from the "Darling" girl's character i bet, as well as other parts we've yet to know about.  That one just oozes CGI


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on March 27, 2007, 05:21:54 PM
But Tarantino didn't direct Planet Terror.  I can't think in Kill Bill, Pulp Fiction, Res Dogs, Jackie Brown, etc.  any real flagrant CGI use.


But he  has been riding on the coattails of others throughout his entire career.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on March 27, 2007, 06:04:55 PM
Seems to me the much talked about (amongst fans) spaghetti western trailer inbetween PLANET TERROR and DEATH PROOF will not be in the movie (and was probably never filmed). :(


Ah well, it would have probably been riddled with CGI anyway.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on March 27, 2007, 06:10:51 PM

Ah well, it would have probably been riddled with CGI anyway.

Or not. Precisely because it doesn't need to "ooze" CGI


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 28, 2007, 10:44:22 AM
First review up:

http://www.joblo.com/arrow/index.php?id=7236

In short they loved Rodreguez's Planet Terror but found Tarantino's Death Car a bit of a let down.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 28, 2007, 11:26:32 AM
It's funny, I've read early reviews that have praised "Death Proof" and ripped "Planet Terror". I guess it's all a matter of taste while watching these.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Kurug3n on March 28, 2007, 10:37:48 PM
Possibly the greatest news that i have heard....http://imdb.com/title/tt0985694/ (http://imdb.com/title/tt0985694/)


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 28, 2007, 11:34:55 PM
This is surprising. Machete has it's own board on IMDB. Is Robert Rodriguez seriously considering making this?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on March 28, 2007, 11:48:27 PM
This is surprising. Machete has it's own board on IMDB. Is Robert Rodriguez seriously considering making this?

Sure seems that way.  They got the release date set for 2008 and everything.

But then again, "data is subject to change" due to the project's "pre-production status"...


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 28, 2007, 11:51:29 PM
Sure seems that way.  They got the release date set for 2008 and everything.

But then again, "data is subject to change" due to the project's "pre-production status"...

This would be fantastic because Danny Trejo would finally get a lead in a movie. I always thought he was talented enough to get first bill. I just think he's more than just a cool character actor. I can't wait to see this supposed "fake" trailer in-between 'Planet Terror' and 'Death Proof'. I won't believe this is actually going to be made into a full length feature picture until Robert Rodriguez confirms it first. Maybe this is a sign that we'll get back to back Grindhouse flicks again from Rodriguez and Tarantino. We'll shall soon find out.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Franks Harmonica on March 29, 2007, 12:06:09 AM
Word on the set was that each year there will be a Grindhouse double feature with fake trailers between them.
Whichever trailers get the most buzz .... will be made into next years feature films!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on March 29, 2007, 12:12:43 AM
Word on the set was that each year there will be a Grindhouse double feature with fake trailers between them.
Whichever trailers get the most buzz .... will be made into next years feature films!

Sounds pretty good.  A bit too good to be true, so i won't get my hopes up.  ;)

However, if this turns out to be true, then the alleged fake "spaghetti western" trailor may actually be in the works somewhere.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 29, 2007, 05:35:09 AM
Word on the set was that each year there will be a Grindhouse double feature with fake trailers between them.
Whichever trailers get the most buzz .... will be made into next years feature films!

That sounds good. I'm very much looking forward to seeing these first two.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 29, 2007, 12:31:54 PM
That sounds good. I'm very much looking forward to seeing these first two.

I'm hearing the 'Thanksgiving' trailer is the best of the bunch. I can't wait to soon find out.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Kurug3n on March 29, 2007, 05:56:35 PM
Hopefully Rodriguez makes Machete before he does Sin City 2 and 3.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 29, 2007, 05:59:22 PM
Hopefully Rodriguez makes Machete before he does Sin City 2 and 3.

The way this guy films a movie so quickly, I wouldn't be surprised if he finished Machete in a week or two.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on March 29, 2007, 06:26:23 PM
The way this guy films a movie so quickly, I wouldn't be surprised if he finished Machete in a week or two.

If that's the case, can we really expect it to be any good?



Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 29, 2007, 06:55:17 PM
If that's the case, can we really expect it to be any good?



Well, I'm not saying he will finish filming it in a week or two, but it's known that Robert Rodriguez films a movie pretty quickly. He did that with Once Upon a Time in Mexico and Sin City.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 30, 2007, 06:05:18 AM
Announced in todays Variety that Tarantino is taking an extended cut of Death Car to Cannes.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 30, 2007, 09:38:35 AM
Announced in todays Variety that Tarantino is taking an extended cut of Death Car to Cannes.

That's great news.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on March 30, 2007, 11:45:35 PM
Announced in todays Variety that Tarantino is taking an extended cut of Death Car to Cannes.

 O0... that should give him yet annother good reason to gloat... haha



Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Franks Harmonica on March 31, 2007, 12:19:18 AM
Dimension juat released "Thanksgiving" on line! It's kind of crappy quality, but hey, it's "Grindhouse" so it's not supposed to look pristine.

http://media.movies.ign.com/media/749/749962/vids_1.html

enjoy!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 31, 2007, 06:59:23 AM
Thanks for the link FH. The 24min featurette Welcome To Grindhouse is a good watch and not too heavy on the spoilers.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 02, 2007, 09:46:56 AM
Dimension juat released "Thanksgiving" on line! It's kind of crappy quality, but hey, it's "Grindhouse" so it's not supposed to look pristine.




I can wait.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on April 02, 2007, 07:21:04 PM

I can wait.

..And besides, the quality of the clip is not "PRISTINE"..hahaha


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 02, 2007, 07:38:19 PM
..And besides, the quality of the clip is not "PRISTINE"..hahaha


Yes, from what I hear it's very SHODDY. ;)


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 02, 2007, 07:42:18 PM

Yes, from what I hear it's very SHODDY. ;)

..And besides, the quality of the clip is not "PRISTINE"..hahaha

I'mmmmmmmmm confused  :o


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 02, 2007, 07:43:06 PM
I'mmmmmmmmm confused  :o


Inside joke between me and Sonny LA. ;D


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Silenzio on April 02, 2007, 07:43:51 PM
Devado savoda!




Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 02, 2007, 07:44:57 PM

Inside joke between me and Sonny LA. ;D

Aha Gotcha  O0


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 02, 2007, 07:46:11 PM
Devado savoda!





Riggabasee doopy doop.


They got rid of that on youtube >:(


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on April 02, 2007, 07:49:53 PM


Finally!! We all contrubuted in making this thread "nonesense.com"

yay for us, it's what the topic deserves anyway.. ;)


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Silenzio on April 03, 2007, 07:19:40 AM


They got rid of that on youtube >:(



 :o DANG IT!!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 03, 2007, 02:07:25 PM
Review in this weeks Variety was overall positive. They weren't too keen on Planet Terror but loved Death Proof and the faux trailers. They did raise the question though about audiences, reckoning that the main draw will be the names.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 03, 2007, 04:05:28 PM
Fangoria gave good marks for all, however, judging by the moderate success of past 70s style exploitation throwbacks, I don't now if this will translate to the mainstream especially the "missing reel" joke employed by both directors. I seriously doubt many of the people who will see this will get it as most of today's audience never experienced such things in a drive-in or seedy movie house.

I hear that Robert's is pure OOT action and gore akin to 80s style zombie cinema while QT's is a talkfest and more closely resembles a 70s flick, albeit with more talk than usual.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on April 06, 2007, 05:14:30 PM
Saw this on a $5 matinee today and enjoyed it immensely. The faux trailers are great and the two features are both excellent. "Planet Terror" comes first and is a zombie movie but a very good zombie movie, kind of a distillation of all those that have come before. It cuts out all the boring bits and weaves together a lot of plot at break-neck speed. Very funny. I loved, loved, loved "Death Proof," though. Wonderfully constructed, with a long set-up to what turns out to be a kind of prelude, then a second episode that also takes a while to get going as well. Certain audiences won't have the patience for this approach,  but I thought every second was a hoot (and yes, it helps to be familiar with Vanishing Point, White Line Fever, Dirty Mary Crazy Larry, and Gone in 60 Seconds ("the real one, not the one with Angelina Jolie")). Rodriguez's film plays like very good pastiche, but Tarantino's, although clearly an homage, has all the earmarks of its creator: long discussions about minutiae, characters acting out for the benefit of their confrères (but this time in the contexts of two completely separate female posses), sudden and surprising violence. And Kurt Russell is just amazing. I laughed and laughed....until I didn't.

"Planet Terror" O0 O0 O0 O0
"Death Proof"  O0 O0 O0 O0 O0

DVD Prognostication: I have no inside knowledge, this is only a guess, but I imagine there will be a first DVD of the theatrical cut, to be followed by an SE with extended cuts of both films, each on its own disc. After all, we're told right in the films that there's a "Reel Missing" in both. I, for one, look forward to the lap-dancing scene "deleted" from "Death Proof."


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on April 06, 2007, 05:20:06 PM
Are you suggesting I should have used a different word.....?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on April 06, 2007, 06:00:20 PM
This might be considered interesting. Or not. http://www.laweekly.com/film+tv/film/grindhouse-gang/16045/


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 07, 2007, 12:54:29 AM
The movie was fine.


I thought DEATH PROOF took awhile to get going. The dialogue felt like somebody trying to be like Tarantino and not Tarantino himself (a problem that arises in the Kill BILL films).


The trailers were the best part of the film. That "DON'T" trailer is especially hilarious.


Frank's_Harmonica's part must have been cut from the picture because I didn't see him.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Franks Harmonica on April 07, 2007, 03:11:38 AM
No ... I was definitely in the film. I get taken down by two zombies as Wray walks back into the hospital to rescue Cherry .... I get dropped to the ground right afterwards.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on April 07, 2007, 08:42:52 AM
No ... I was definitely in the film. I get taken down by two zombies as Wray walks back into the hospital to rescue Cherry .... I get dropped to the ground right afterwards.


...I don't recall... maybe because there were other extras all around you.

The bathroom scene doesn't appear though.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Silenzio on April 07, 2007, 08:49:04 AM
My brother's profound thoughts on grindhouse:

Fuggin' see it.  It's the best movie of the year, and possibly ever made.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on April 07, 2007, 08:53:21 AM
Planet Terror definitely had more action than Death Proof in the sense that it was basically nonstop and rather gruesome.  I found it a bit mre entertaining as a whole than Death Proof.  However, after the first half hour, Death Proof becomes much more interesting and (finally) moves on to more suspenseful action.  The car chase is awesome...

Both had good endings in my opinion. And both are quite entertaining.

Just make sure you've got at least 3 hours to spare because even though the movies themselves aren't very long, the trailers take up about another half hour...(both the mock trailers and theatre trailers)


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on April 07, 2007, 08:54:43 AM
My brother's profound thoughts on grindhouse:

Fuggin' see it.  It's the best movie of the year, and possibly ever made.

 ::)...words of profound wisdom...


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: whenthechimesend.. on April 07, 2007, 11:56:17 AM
Grindhouse looks mighty stupid to me. I'll avoid it at all costs.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 08, 2007, 03:24:22 PM
No ... I was definitely in the film. I get taken down by two zombies as Wray walks back into the hospital to rescue Cherry .... I get dropped to the ground right afterwards.



Saw this again and I got you this time Frank. Just as El Wray enters the hospital.





SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Folks on imdb are saying that Stuntman mike was not killed by Rosario Dawson and her pals. Instead the story of how he murdered Jungle Julia and her buds comes after his failed attempt to kill the trio of girls at the end of the picture.

Notice he doesn't have a scar for the second storyline. The scar was aquired when Dawson heels him at the very end of the picture.






SPOILER ENDS!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Franks Harmonica on April 08, 2007, 07:16:37 PM
No ******! I didnt notice that when I watched it, but I am going again tonight, so I'll watch for it.
Kurt Russel was amazing in this film!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 08, 2007, 07:24:32 PM
No ******! I didnt notice that when I watched it, but I am going again tonight, so I'll watch for it.
Kurt Russel was amazing in this film!


A good villain certainly...but amazing?


My fav parts were the trailers.

The most authentic was Thanksgiving but my favorite was Machete.


Anybody catch the "God forgives...I don't" reference Cheech gives in the trailer?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Franco Ringo on April 08, 2007, 07:43:19 PM
The motive of Stuntman Mike makes so much more sense now.

*Spoiler*

I see now when he crashes at the end, he didnt have the glass cage that saved his ass at the beginning of the film.



Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 08, 2007, 07:59:09 PM
The motive of Stuntman Mike makes so much more sense now.

*Spoiler*

I see now when he crashes at the end, he didnt have the glass cage that saved his ass at the beginning of the film.




SPOILER*****





Actually it's the seatbelt that normally would save his ass (which he didn't have on), not the crash box next to him.


Your right about one thing...his motive makes more sense.


When he terrorizes the trio it seemed to me he never intended to kill them but was just really "playing around" as he said. He even makes a point to get out of his car and tell the girls "NOW THAT WAS FUN!" before driving off.

When we see him at the start of the movie his motive is revenge against women in general for scarring his face.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on April 08, 2007, 08:42:51 PM

When we see him at the start of the movie his motive is revenge against women in general for scarring his face.


..Because those women kicked his ass!!!!....wonder if that's one of the reasons the movie didn't do so well...

I'll bet anything it is..


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Franks Harmonica on April 09, 2007, 12:35:36 AM
*Spoiler Alert!*


The scar is in the second story, so Dawsons kick doesnt cause the scar, but the theory still makes sense .... He doesnt want any reprecussions from any of the victims, so the plan is to obliterate them without any survivors.
Makes perfect sense.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 09, 2007, 05:10:09 AM
Variety Weekend BoxOffice report this morning says that the film bowed into 4th place. with $11 million.  A big disapointment to the Studio who were pushing it for a 1st place and to take in about $20 million. Blades Of Glory was in first with $27 million and Meet The Robinsons Second. with $17 million.

Hopefully this'll be a slow burning thing with word of mouth encouraging more people to see it though the article said ticket sales were good on Thursday and Saturday and then dropped steeply on Saturday and Sunday.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: RallyMonkey on April 09, 2007, 06:49:02 AM
Blades of Glory = 1 hour and 33 minutes long
Grindhouse = 3 hours and 12 minutes long.

That means Blades of Glory can have twice as many showings as Grindhouse. So, it's really not that bad. Especially with a budget of 55 million.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 09, 2007, 08:39:45 AM
True and the length of the film was brought into account. I think what they were pointing out was the rather large drop in ticket sales for the film over the weekend compared to Thursday and Friday which is why TWC is supposedly freaking. I agree though I think it's too early to tell.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 09, 2007, 02:57:28 PM
Wasn't TITANIC around 3 hours long as well? Look what it grossed.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 09, 2007, 03:21:02 PM
Yeah but the problem is with that opening weekend Box Office was boffo. The article made mention that alot of people going to the theater to see the film didn't realise it was two films and were walking out at the end of the first one. I hope it does well, as I said before I think this one may be a sleeper gradually gaining momentum in the next couple of weeks.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Kurug3n on April 09, 2007, 04:05:25 PM
Yeah but the problem is with that opening weekend Box Office was boffo. The article made mention that alot of people going to the theater to see the film didn't realise it was two films and were walking out at the end of the first one. I hope it does well, as I said before I think this one may be a sleeper gradually gaining momentum in the next couple of weeks.

I think grindhouse will have the S.O.A.P(Snakes on a Plane) effect. Where not much is going to be taken in from Box Office gross but it will destroy everything else when it comes to DVD Sales.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 09, 2007, 05:44:02 PM
Wasn't TITANIC around 3 hours long as well? Look what it grossed.


Yeah but Titanic wasn't R rated and was marketed to all audiences.

Grindhouse is for a specific audience.

Also statistics show that most audience members go for family oriented movies during the Easter weekend.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 09, 2007, 05:45:58 PM
Also statistics show that most audience members go for family oriented movies during the Easter weekend.

Makes sense.

I don't recall the Easter Bunny armed with two AK-47s.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 09, 2007, 05:49:33 PM
or a machine gun leg...


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 09, 2007, 06:09:13 PM
or a machine gun leg...

I'm getting a crazy idea for a movie...


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 09, 2007, 06:14:44 PM
I'll be... Easter Bunny?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on April 10, 2007, 08:00:29 AM
Folks on imdb are saying that Stuntman mike was not killed by Rosario Dawson and her pals. Instead the story of how he murdered Jungle Julia and her buds comes after his failed attempt to kill the trio of girls at the end of the picture.
Wow, I didn't pick up on this, but it makes perfect sense. That would explain why the "second" episode has Stuntman acting less psycho than the "first": he hasn't quite gone all the way yet. And he picks on Jungle Julia and her buds because they remind him of Dawson and her crew, with their similar ethnic diversity and whatnot. Also, the "bleed over" from Planet Terror now has greater significance; it was used to close the "first" episode, but if we reorder the movie chronologically, it works as the intro to Planet Terror (so the entire movie, "properly" sequenced, would go DP part 2, DP part 1, Planet Terror). Furthermore, that means Stuntman is likely in the hospital when the zombie invasion hits. Even if he isn't, there is no doubt that the zombies get him (they get just about everybody).

This movie just got cooler in my mind. QT's fractured chronology actually serves to make PT part of a larger Tarantino design. So, if you want, there are 2 films there, but if your prefer, it's all one story, one cohesive flick.

EDIT: Movie news update. If you haven't already seen Grindhouse, you may want to before you have to pay separate admissions for the "two" films: http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/what-went-so-wrong-with-grindhouse/


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2007, 09:53:05 AM
Wow, I didn't pick up on this, but it makes perfect sense. That would explain why the "second" episode has Stuntman acting less psycho than the "first": he hasn't quite gone all the way yet. And he picks on Jungle Julia and her buds because they remind him of Dawson and her crew, with their similar ethnic diversity and whatnot. Also, the "bleed over" from Planet Terror now has greater significance; it was used to close the "first" episode, but if we reorder the movie chronologically, it works as the intro to Planet Terror (so the entire movie, "properly" sequenced, would go DP part 2, DP part 1, Planet Terror). Furthermore, that means Stuntman is likely in the hospital when the zombie invasion hits. Even if he isn't, there is no doubt that the zombies get him (they get just about everybody).



This theory was already destroyed by FH. Stuntman Mike does have a scar in the second story.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 10, 2007, 01:54:48 PM
Personally, I haven't seen it yet, but I assumed it wouldn't do very well in the first place as per the recent BO intake of 70s retro style "exploitation", HOUSE OF 1000 CORPSES, DEVILS REJECTS, BLACK SNAKE MOAN, HIGH TENSION (a French movie but still captured the vibe wonderfully), etc....these movies DO NOT CATER TO THE MAINSTREAM.....regardless of who the director is. Most people are not interested in these kinds of subject matter nor do most of the individuals who went to see GRINDHOUSE care about the films that its directors took their inspiration.

Now, the Weinsteins are going to re-release the films separately blaming the movie's lackluster premier on the advertising (at least that's the way it looked to me in the article).

Here is the article.....

http://www.fangoria.com/news_article.php?id=4058

Obviously, judging by the numbers, moviegoers wanted to laugh this past weekend since the BLADES OF GLORY movie retained its #1 spot pulling in TWICE what GRINDHOUSE made. The commercials made it clear this was a 2'fer, so the makers claiming this and that is all excuses in my book. The bulk of the moviegoing public simply wasn't interested.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2007, 02:15:26 PM
In non-english speaking countries the movies will be released seperatly because these countries never had any experience with double bill movies.

The non-english speaking Tarantino fans are angry.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on April 10, 2007, 05:37:47 PM

This theory was already destroyed by FH. Stuntman Mike does have a scar in the second story.
The theory doesn't depend on the scar. The guy could really have been a stuntman, and the scar comes from a point earlier than anything we see in the film. So he has the scar in part 1 because he already had it in part 2.

BTW, this isn't really even a "theory." If you were to see the two episodes in a Part 2-Part 1 sequence it would be obvious; the fact that we're given the two bass-ackwards without any time references is what causes the confusion. When the DVD comes out this will be made even more obvious. And of course this is exactly the kind of thing QT is known for.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on April 10, 2007, 07:02:09 PM
So is the rumor true that the DVD release will be split? I have been out of the loop the past couple weeks so I don't know for sure. I hope it's released with both movies back to back with trailers and all like it was in the theatre, minus the cut out scenes for the theatrical experience.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 10, 2007, 07:29:46 PM
So is the rumor true that the DVD release will be split? I have been out of the loop the past couple weeks so I don't know for sure. I hope it's released with both movies back to back with trailers and all like it was in the theatre, minus the cut out scenes for the theatrical experience.


I'm sure that won't happen as that is a stupid move.

They'll be releasing them sepratly in the theatres in a  few months so they can get back the money they lost.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 10, 2007, 07:44:19 PM
why risk chopping them up and spending more money on a theatrical release when word of mouth of an up and coming DVD release could create an audience thats not there at the moment. It looks like someone screwed up somewhere, especially with the BO expectations they were given. They were hoping to trade on the names, reviews have been OK, so that basically leaves a poor marketing campaign (filmmakers will often cite that with Weinsteins releases aka Jarmusch) the running time (original posters were pulled when they had the log line 2 1/2 hours of pure dynamite with the new one 2 Movies for the price of one so they were already concerned with the run time). The rating shouldn't have killed it, other R's have been doing/done much better. Time of release, not so sure about this one, especially with 300 doing so well, perhaps a later release then Easter weekend would have benefited. The one that most reviews/articles and pundits point out is the subject matter. Todays Variety pointed to people who went to Grindhouses when growing up not going to see the movie for some reason or the other. If the opening weekend BO had been expected at the $10 million mark then the film would have been a success. I suspect they were looking at the Kill Bills and Sin City's opening weekend and basing it on that. This looked like to be a tough sell from the begining. Theres still hope for it yet, Europe's love of Tarantino could make it an international hit (especially with it play at Cannes this year).


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on April 10, 2007, 08:00:31 PM


I'm sill amazed at how unpopular the movie is...

I thought that (at least in Miami) there'd be a lot of people discussing the movie and wanting to go see it and all that crap, since most of them have nothing better to do on weekends anyway.

But no, this hasn't been the case at all... here it's more like a "meh..let's just watch something since we're already here at the movies..." thing no one talks about or cares to bring up.

All those idiots just take the movies seriously...it's amazing...I love it.. ::)
...and then half of them leave before the second feature... it's quite amusing really..  ;D



Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on April 11, 2007, 07:42:05 AM
So is the rumor true that the DVD release will be split? I have been out of the loop the past couple weeks so I don't know for sure. I hope it's released with both movies back to back with trailers and all like it was in the theatre, minus the cut out scenes for the theatrical experience.
Almost certainly there will be a DVD release with the two films split between two discs. One of the reasons is the running time: it's difficult to maintain quality (optimal bit rates and all that) for a 3-hour movie on one disc. And with the extra material re-inserted, there will be too much information for one disc to hold. It seems just possible, however, to release the theatrical cut on a single disc, so maybe there will be a crappy first release followed by the SE in a few months (similar to the Sin City DVDs). Then again, for quality purposes, maybe there will be a 2-disc "theatrical cut" followed by a 2 or 3-disc set with the "directors' cuts." Splitting the material over two discs is not much of a problem for the theatrical release (the trailers that ran between the two films would work well at the beginning of the second disc). Ideally, we want to see both the theatrical cut and the expanded versions of each film on DVD. The theatrical cut, as I have argued above, is really one story, presented in reverse chronological segments, disguised as 2 films. However, the "two films" can also be treated as separate works, and I for one would like to see Death Proof presented as an expanded  stand-alone piece. Maybe there's a 5 or 6-disc mega set in our future.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 11, 2007, 07:55:50 AM
I think Dave is right, it'll be split in half at the end of PT with a vanilla release first followed by an SE. However the promised SE of the Kill Bills has never appeared despite QT's many, many assurances. Could be that we might just have the vanilla release.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on April 11, 2007, 07:35:24 PM
The fact that there was both the regular and then the SE of Sin City makes me hopeful.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 11, 2007, 08:13:55 PM
The SE of Sin City was welcome but the longer extended versions tended to be a few minutes of real footage and then the 6mins of credits added to the end of each story.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 11, 2007, 11:22:51 PM
According to IMDB Machete will be filmed but will only be a direct to video (dvd) release.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 12, 2007, 10:42:19 AM
Recieved this e-mail from a friend...

Sex! Violence! Hard-core drugs! And that’s just offscreen. A look back at the golden days of New York’s grindhouse culture.

By David Fear  Time Out New York


Photo: George Freston/Getty Images

The floors were sticky. The seats were worn down to the springs. The smell was a combination of buttered popcorn and bodily fluids. In the back row, someone might be in a heated argument with a fellow patron—or getting a $5 hand job. Sometimes, a rat would scurry past your leg. Onscreen, any number of sordid acts, seedy pleasures or splatterrific gore played to a crowd that expected extremities at every turn; should the features not deliver the kind of to-the-limit thrills the customers demanded, no one in the audience would be shy about loudly—and profanely—speaking his or her mind.

This was grindhouse: run-down, all-night Times Square movie theaters known for showing double and triple bills of cinema’s less reputable output—imported kung fu flicks, soft-core Eurosleaze, women-in-prison dramas, Mondo shockumentaries and any number of other genres known for lurid allure.

For years, the films that played at these fleapits were dismissed by the mainstream; now they’re being glorified in Quentin Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez’s Grindhouse, a $53 million postmodern homage to the low-budget opus. But what happened to the cut-rate places that specialized in such gutbucket fare? And besides the obvious appeal of trading in artistic pretensions for primal urges, why do fans still fawn over yesterday’s B pictures with such rabid dedication?
 
Named after their tendency to show cheapie epics that their makers “ground” out in quick succession, the grindhouses first popped up throughout America after the Great Depression. Times Square’s red-light district during the ’70s and early ’80s, however, was the place that allowed this alternative film industry to flourish into a subculture. The constant influx of tawdry movies gave a mixture of hustlers, junkies, sleaze merchants and cheap-thrill seekers an additional reason (besides scoring dope and trolling for tricks) to hang out on “the Forty-Deuce” for hours on end.

“There were all these great theaters there, like the Amsterdam and the Victory,” David F. Friedman enthuses over the phone from his home in Anniston, Alabama. The 83-year-old filmmaker is considered the godfather of great trash cinema, having produced such seminal films as Blood Feast (1963) and Ilsa: She Wolf of the SS (1975). “It had the kind of carnival atmosphere that fed into our ethos: Exploit the subject, exploit the cast and exploit the audience. It was the perfect place for equal-opportunity exploitation!”
 
The folks who flocked to the Rialto and the Liberty had no problem being on the receiving end of such consensual debasement; they were all too happy to contribute to the anything-goes attitude of, say, The Gore Gore Girls. “Watching a movie there became a spectator sport,” says Luc Sante, an essayist who’s written extensively about New York’s grittier aspects. “People usually talked back to the screen, and everyone in the audience was rooting for the villain. I remember going to see Dario Argento’s Suspiria at the Cinerama, and the audience hated it. They didn’t think there was enough blood in it. But it was on a double bill with something called Eyeball, which was absolutely horrific and brutal. Naturally, that went over big-time.”

Patrons also found that whatever was showing on the screen was sometimes upstaged by what was going on at the end of the aisle. “They were open 24 hours, so members of the audience could be doing drugs, having sex or both at once,” says author Michelle Clifford via e-mail. With her husband, former projectionist and zine publisher Bill Landis, Clifford cowrote Sleazoid Express, an invaluable history of the Forty-Deuce’s movie-house row. “Forget about the ladies’ room—it was like an art installation entitled Whore Riot, complete with love-hate jailhouse graffiti written in nail polish, lipstick or dried blood.”

The scummy environments and nonstop parade of intense imagery coalesced into a bona fide outsider community for those who could hack it. “The urban escapist in me felt that these id-driven films mirrored the collective unconscious of the audience,” Landis says. “Back then, you had to seek out perversion. You didn’t have it dropped into your living room through reality TV.”

Like punk rock, exploitation cinema provided the backdrop for a community of misfits who bonded through a love of danger and the termite art that everyone else ignored. Regular attendees viewed these throwaway films with genuine affection, and the hard-core aficionados took it upon themselves to become encyclopedic scholars on various exploitation genres. The scene, however, also attracted some truly predatory elements of society, especially once porno took over the strip. By the mid-’80s, the crack and AIDS epidemics had taken a very human toll, and the region’s transformation into the no-man’s-land that Friedman dubbed “Slime Square” was the breaking point for the city’s health board. Raids shut many of the grindhouses down, and Mayor Ed Koch’s deals with developers during the late ’80s paved the way for today’s homogenized, family-friendly atmosphere.

The neighborhood needed cleaning up—who wants to be constantly accosted by hookers?—but the corporate stores that took the place of these theaters are the antithesis of midtown Gotham’s gutter magnetism. New York lost a culture that combined the short, sharp shock of No Wave and the out-there aesthetic of underground filmmaking. “The Deuce was certainly shitty,” Sante admits. “But every metropolitan area needs a danger zone…a place where you feel like you’re taking your life into your own hands. There’s a thrill in walking on the wild side, and that’s what Times Square was.”
 

As for the movies so closely associated with the Deuce theaters, there’s hope that Grindhouse, out April 6, may spark a renewed appreciation for trash cinema. The flick includes two movies in one—Tarantino’s entry, Death Proof, follows a maniac driver (Kurt Russell) out for chick blood. Rodriguez’s Planet Terror stars Rose McGowan as a badass with a machine gun leg, battling a zombie nation.

The filmmakers have replicated the look of those old double features, down to the worn-out prints with missing reels and spliced-in trailers, but the irony is that they’ve spent a lot of money to make the film look cheap, and that when their “exploitation” film plays on 42nd Street, it’ll be at either a Regal or AMC Cineplex. “It’s like Beatlemania,” Clifford says. “You’re being sold an experience that doesn’t exist anymore.”

Yet sex and violence and nostalgia sell, of course. And since your average filmgoer has been weaned on the kind of outrageousness that was the Deuce’s stock-in-trade, what was once a small group of cinephile extremists is now most everybody. If the movie ends up inspiring someone to seek out true “blue” exploitation, then grindhouse’s grungy legacy will indeed live on.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 12, 2007, 01:30:20 PM
I have a great and must have book on the 42nd street experience from the husband and wife team who produce the fanzine SLEAZOID EXPRESS. The book is called SLEAZOID EXPRESS: A MIND TWISTING TOUR THROUGH THE GRINDHOUSE CINEMA OF TIMES SQUARE.

These same movies played in drive-ins across America. That's why it puzzled me when the Weinstein's claimed there movie failed because those in the South and the Midwest did not know what a double feature was is crap. When we moved here to the South in the late 70s, my parents and I frequented two of the local drive-ins and they both showcased double as well as triple features. The only things I remember seeing there were kung fu pictures and horror movies although there were the essential 70s actioner-biker flicks among others.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 12, 2007, 01:30:49 PM
Theres a great doco about six films that were apart of The Grindhouse era and about the Grindhouse cinemas themselves and it's called Midnight Movies: From the Margin to the Mainstream

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0457414/

Well worth checking out  O0


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 12, 2007, 01:36:04 PM
Great! This will be on TV in August I think. Although the six movies mentioned aren't grindhouse style pictures, they're midnight movies or cult films. Those that have played continuously through the years at theaters or revival houses. I think ROCKY HORROR still plays in some theaters although I may be wrong. It stopped playing here at a local theater back when it hit video.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 12, 2007, 01:40:50 PM
Yeah I wasn't so sure about the movies themselves but it does describe in great deal the grindhouse circuit. I caught it late one night on cable and was hooked.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 12, 2007, 01:46:23 PM
LA, have you seen BASKET CASE? You get to see some great scenes of the seedier side of 42nd street. Henenlotter even shoots in some of the theaters. By the time I was able to go to NY for the first time, it was all nearly gone. Although it was funny seeing a porn shop and a WB store not far down the block!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 12, 2007, 01:58:41 PM
No I haven't seen it. Theres a great movie theater on 58th Street called the Paris which has been lovingly restored. I stumbled across it when I was looking for Mickey Mantle's and saw The Good German. The venue was great, shame the film wasn't  :-[ (All the more annoying as it had all the elements I love, early Hollywood, Noir, great cinematography, from the WB but wrong choice of director in my opinion). I remember the WB stores, are they still going as I haven't seen any for ages? Disney stores of course but not the WB. They used to be great.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 12, 2007, 02:01:20 PM
No, they've closed down. Not sure if all are closed or not.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 12, 2007, 02:05:46 PM
Thats a shame  :-[


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Kurug3n on April 12, 2007, 02:31:34 PM
Did Tarantino steal Grindhouse??

http://movies.go.com/moviesproxy/tipster?id=886434 (http://movies.go.com/moviesproxy/tipster?id=886434)


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 12, 2007, 02:36:16 PM
Probably so, he's been stealing from other filmmakers for years.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 12, 2007, 05:00:22 PM
. Not sure if all are closed or not.


All of them are gone. Here in Miami, Atlanta Georgia, New orleans and another I entered in Las Vegas.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 12, 2007, 05:02:15 PM
Did Tarantino steal Grindhouse??

http://movies.go.com/moviesproxy/tipster?id=886434 (http://movies.go.com/moviesproxy/tipster?id=886434)


Wouldn't surprise me. Would love to see that kid's film.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Kurug3n on April 12, 2007, 05:43:35 PM

Wouldn't surprise me. Would love to see that kid's film.

Costs a buck to get the whole movie http://www.therealgrindhouse.com/ (http://www.therealgrindhouse.com/)


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on April 12, 2007, 06:21:31 PM
So, as the guy admits, QT didn't steal the stories in Grindhouse, he stole the title and the "Grindhouse concept." Whoop-di-doo. First, you can't copyright a title, which is why multiple films that don't have anything else in common sometimes have the same name (Jarman had a Blue, Kieslowski had a Blue, etc.) Concepts aren't protected either, and a good thing too: otherwise there would only have been one Western ever made. And most concepts are just vague enough to be inevitable: particular genius is not required. The idea that an old grindhouse flick (or flicks) could be remade with modern means: was anyone shocked by such a notion? Remaking old films and genres is what film has always been about!

So that guy is just another whiner....


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 12, 2007, 06:25:00 PM
Variety Boxoffice came in. This weekend is going to be very crowded with new pics so they basically wrote of Grindhouse's chances of a good weekend at the BO.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Kurug3n on April 12, 2007, 06:49:33 PM
Variety Boxoffice came in. This weekend is going to be very crowded with new pics so they basically wrote of Grindhouse's chances of a good weekend at the BO.

Good now i have a better chance of not getting into trouble.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on April 13, 2007, 12:01:28 AM
Critical appreciation: http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20033672,00.html


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2007, 12:34:46 AM
Stuntman Mike is in the background when Rosario Dawson and the other girls are eating at the diner having that long convo about ditchs,cars and Vanishing Point.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2007, 12:43:40 AM
Dave,


" He also gets the sprawlingly vague disaster-movie narrative (it's got something to do with toxic green gas and Osama bin Laden)"


I think the reviewer gives Rodriguez a little too much credit here. I think the vague background story is due to Rodriguez's own script writing problems rather than a homage to bad script writing.

Rodriguez has shown me time and time again that he just can't hold up a coherent story for more than an hour (this is more evident in his "Once upon a time in Mexico" than any of his other films that he wrote). I think this was the case with Planet Terror as well. It's not really much to complain about (Your only there for the spectacle afterall) but it's still bothersome when you really think about it.

And was it absolutley necessary to mention modern day events in a movie that is supposed to be a homage to 1970's cinema?
He went in over-kill mode with all those Iraq references. Took me out of the movie. Dear Me!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on April 13, 2007, 02:33:12 AM

And was it absolutley necessary to mention modern day events in a movie that is supposed to be a homage to 1970's cinema?
He went in over-kill mode with all those Iraq references. Took me out of the movie. Dear Me!
Well, what about the use of text messaging? It may have been an homage to the 70s, but the events clearly are set in the 00s.

Lot's of things took me out of the movie (how does Cherry fire her machine-gun leg, for example, by telekinesis?) but I was always able to find my way back in again quickly. I don't expect more out of a Rodriguez script than immediate entertainment. Story logic? Well, I know what I'm buying when I plunk down my cash.

Which is why it's nice to have the QT film added on to the bill: say what you want about him, Quint is a great story constructionist. (And no, I didn't notice Stuntman Mike in the background of the Vanishing Point/diner scene. Well spotted, and thank you, Firecracker).


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2007, 09:29:28 AM
Well, what about the use of text messaging? It may have been an homage to the 70s, but the events clearly are set in the 00s.



yes that was another bother but I thought all the war references were a bit over the top. It felt like Rodriguez was trying to make a statementin a movie that is totally not about politics. It felt out of place.

As for the machine gun leg that didn't bother me. It's what I'd expect from a cheap (another bother was the obviously big budget in RR's movie) xploitation movie. It's there for sensations sake. Nothing more.

But if you want to get technical, El Wray "made" that gun especially for Cherry. Which means he made modifications that could probably (somehow) allow her to fire the gun without pulling the trigger. Maybe some sort of movement in her leg or something could fire the gun?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: cigar joe on April 14, 2007, 06:09:13 AM
Finally saw the film last night, it was mindless entertainment, didn't take it too seriously, 3/5  but I probably won't be deliberately watching it again.  ;)


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on April 14, 2007, 08:37:53 AM


But if you want to get technical, El Wray "made" that gun especially for Cherry. Which means he made modifications that could probably (somehow) allow her to fire the gun without pulling the trigger. Maybe some sort of movement in her leg or something could fire the gun?


Well there's really no other decent explanation for that. 

As for the text messaging thing, forget that.  Cell phones weren't even around for commercial use back then anyway.  Even in the early 90s cell phones were a luxury.

All these "flaws" we mention were done on purpose i'm sure, to make it seem as though an idiot came up with the ideas.  Planet Terror, in my opinion, succeeded more in being so out there and ridiculous (like an actual grindhouse movie). 

The only problem with the "image" Rodriguez wanted to present was the sophisticated camera work and, of course, the obviously huge budget. I think the trailers looked more authentic than the movies.  They weren't cheap but they looked much cheaper than even Death Proof, which didn't look cheap at all anyway.  At least it looked cheaper than Planet Terror.





Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on April 14, 2007, 09:51:50 AM
But if you want to get technical, El Wray "made" that gun especially for Cherry.
Yeah, and he did it in about 15 seconds! Looking for logic, as I say, is a waste of time, and actually runs counter to what Rodriguez is going for. Part of the fun is that things don't make complete sense (only approximate sense). That's the spirit of grindhouse.

CJ: I understand where you're coming from, because I don't care if I see PT again, but I'd certainly like another peek at Death Proof, especially with the "missing reel" put back in.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: cigar joe on April 14, 2007, 10:19:53 AM
yea, I'd watch them with the nissing reels.. ;D


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 14, 2007, 12:31:08 PM


CJ: I understand where you're coming from, because I don't care if I see PT again, but I'd certainly like another peek at Death Proof, especially with the "missing reel" put back in.



seems as if the "missing reel" for DP wasn't a joke. In the trailer you can see Stuntman Mike enjoying a lap dance from Butterfly. Since QT releases his films the way he intends, my guess is this scene will not be put back into the film for the dvd but rather will be an add-on for the special features.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 14, 2007, 01:41:11 PM
. I think the trailers looked more authentic than the movies. 






Thanksgiving and Don't looked the most authentic of the bunch.  Machete was my favorite trailer but it looked like another RR cgi fest and Zombie's contribution looked pretty big on the budget as well.


Didn't anybody catch Sybil Danning? Dear Lord! Talk about plastic surgery up the Wazu!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 14, 2007, 03:00:19 PM


seems as if the "missing reel" for DP wasn't a joke. In the trailer you can see Stuntman Mike enjoying a lap dance from Butterfly. Since QT releases his films the way he intends, my guess is this scene will not be put back into the film for the dvd but rather will be an add-on for the special features.

The overseas versions have the footage present. Danning is in another new movie also. I don't remember the name. Some other movies to check out with her that are good for both the right and the wrong reasons are--

BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS-Corman's big budget (for him) remake of the 7 SAMURAI has Richard Thomas, John Saxon, Robert Vaughn reprising his role from the MAG 7, George Peppard and Danning as the over sexed outer space amazon warrior. James Cameron did the effects and John Sayles wrote the script.

AMAZON WOMEN ON THE MOON-The sequel to the Zucker Bros. hilariously rude KENTUCKY FRIED MOVIE. This one has even more stars but isn't as funny as the first film. Danning is in the skit that pokes fun of 50s sci-fi.

HERCULES-Danning takes on the Hulk! Lou Ferrigno! One of the best bad movies of all time. The film did incorporate many "special effects" techniques never before used in Italian Cinema. The sequel is even more hilarious.

THE 7 MAGNIFICENT GLADIATORS-An italian peplum imitation of 7 SAMURAI. Ferrigno recruits warriors to take on Dan Vadis. Sybil Danning and Brad Harris also star. Another riot directed by Bruno Mattei.

REFORM SCHOOL GIRLS-Tom De Simone's tribute to the Women in Prison genre. Danning plays the Wicked Warden and the late Wendy O'Williams of the Plasmatics is one of her lovers.

HOWLING 2-Only for those who must see everything starring Chris Lee as he does battle with his Lycanthropic sister played by Danning. The end credits feature a strange scene where Danning rips off her clothes over and over again some 20 or more times!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 14, 2007, 03:06:09 PM
Danning is in another new movie also. I don't remember the name.






It's Rob  Zombie's
 "Halloween".



She's making something of a come back.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 14, 2007, 03:07:15 PM
No not that one. A different movie. I know all about the new HALLOWEEN unfortunately.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Kurug3n on April 14, 2007, 11:14:05 PM
Saw it today and it was pretty bad ass.Me and my dad laughing throughout Planet Terror and basically Death Proof took a "little" while to get started but it did and it was pretty cool.I hope when the DVD's come out they include the missing reels and show who IS WRAY??!?! And where StuntMan Mike get that SCAR from.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: cigar joe on April 15, 2007, 08:40:34 AM
I liked the Machete trailer, lol.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Kurug3n on April 15, 2007, 01:39:10 PM
I liked the Machete trailer, lol.

The Machete trailer was the best especially when the announcer said THEY F*CKED WITH THE WRONG MEXICAN! that was the  funniest thing ever.And about the 2nd half of Death Proof being the first half i think it is because of the way that Stuntman Mike couldnt sneeze could be because of him getting beat up in the 2nd half.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on April 16, 2007, 08:57:25 AM
I liked the Machete trailer, lol.
The really great thing about the trailer is that it lays out the whole plot of the movie in sequence so that you don't need to see the film. Trailers like that actually got made in the 70s and 80s. It's hilarious that there's this rumor that Machete might actually get made, cause the whole film is already there in the trailer.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: cigar joe on April 16, 2007, 03:46:14 PM
lol, "they f'ed with the wrong Mexican" a classic teaser.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 16, 2007, 05:48:23 PM
Very sad indeed but a slight bit humorous considering Mr. T fancies himself to be invincible.

http://www.fangoria.com/news_article.php?id=4075


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Kurug3n on April 16, 2007, 06:03:06 PM
It's hilarious that there's this rumor that Machete might actually get made, cause the whole film is already there in the trailer.

Hopefully it will and probably is but its probably gonna go straight to dvd.I can see this being able to hit DVD in later of this year.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Kurug3n on April 18, 2007, 09:26:16 PM
What trailers were your favorite? Mine were Machete (Of course) and Don't


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 18, 2007, 09:28:56 PM
What trailers were your favorite? Mine were Machete (Of course) and Don't


I already stated my favorite was Machete.

The most authentic was "Thanksgiving".

The funniest was "Don't"

and The "Werewolf Women of The S.S" was good to.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Kurug3n on April 18, 2007, 09:37:29 PM
Except for Fu Manchu i didnt think "Werewolf Women of the S.S" was that great.I think it was just another chance to show off his wife.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on April 19, 2007, 05:54:09 PM

I already stated my favorite was Machete.

The most authentic was "Thanksgiving".

The funniest was "Don't"

and The "Werewolf Women of The S.S" was good to.
That covers it. O0


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on April 22, 2007, 11:52:40 PM

ahhh those trailers are far better than either one of the "duo feature presentation".  They look more authentic too.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 25, 2007, 05:26:27 AM
Latest news for the UK release is that the June 1st release date has been pulled and the film will be split into two. Guess it won't be called Grindhouse anymore (How can it  ??? )


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 27, 2007, 02:55:08 PM
Here's something interesting. On page 3 something truly stupid is revealed, IMO. So QT is doing his version of MANDINGO now, or more accurately, his version of LEGEND OF NI**ER CHARLEY? I'll bet he's already set aside a role for "The Hammer" to portray.

The Race Hate genre/blaxploitation movies were big moneymakers in grindhouse cinemas during the 70s, too. I can't picture one of these coming out in this day and age of the PC mindset.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 27, 2007, 03:01:12 PM
If I'm to believe the London times I surprised he got funding for it. In a big article they were basically gloating that the money men behind Grindhouse were not happy with the finished product before distrib but were persuaded other wise and now with the takings they are really not happy.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 27, 2007, 03:08:36 PM
You mean funding for his "southern", as he puts it, or his as yet unproduced WW2 picture? LA, did you know QT approached Toho about doing a GODZILLA movie but they refused him? He did however, utilize a miniature city from them in his KILL BILL part 1.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on April 27, 2007, 03:10:22 PM
It's nice to be back posting here. haha


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 27, 2007, 03:11:27 PM
You mean funding for his "southern", as he puts it, or his as yet unproduced WW2 picture? LA, did you know QT approached Toho about doing a GODZILLA movie but they refused him? He did however, utilize a miniature city from them in his KILL BILL part 1.

His Southern though I suspect the article was biased against him (strange for a paper which loves him so) I did not know that about Godzilla. That would have been quite fun to see.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 27, 2007, 03:20:35 PM
I only heard about a snippet of what it was supposed to be. From what little I read, it was VERY similar to Daiei's DAIMAJIN trilogy, three very famous chambara films that mix kaiju action. The second film RETURN OF DAIMAJIN features a parting of a river that rivals the effects in 10 COMMANDMENTS. The effects in all three, especially the first two are quite good. Anyway, Toho nixed the idea and that was that. Actually, I'm glad that dialog filled cinematic travesty never got financed. Can you imagine seeing Akira Takarada and Akihiko Hirata discussing obscure japanese exploitation movies while Godzilla destroys the city around them?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 27, 2007, 03:26:42 PM
Getting back to the GRINDHOUSE movie itself, I still have yet to see it. Me and a friend were discussing the subject a few nights ago. Mainstream movies played in these kinds of theaters as well. I guess they had to bring in the "respectable" clientele as well as the usual derelicts, hookers, drug dealers, nympho's and curiosity seekers in the mood for cheap thrills.

Bill Lustig's nifty little revenge picture VIGILANTE starring Robert Forster and Fred Williamson had a famous double bill with E. T.

My friend fondly remembers seeing Lustig's infamous MANIAC on a double bill with ORCA. The action going on in the theater was almost as harrowing as what was transpiring on screen.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 27, 2007, 03:28:38 PM
I only heard about a snippet of what it was supposed to be. From what little I read, it was VERY similar to Daiei's DAIMAJIN trilogy, three very famous chambara films that mix kaiju action. The second film RETURN OF DAIMAJIN features a parting of a river that rivals the effects in 10 COMMANDMENTS. The effects in all three, especially the first two are quite good. Anyway, Toho nixed the idea and that was that. Actually, I'm glad that dialog filled cinematic travesty never got financed. Can you imagine seeing Akira Takarada and Akihiko Hirata discussing obscure japanese exploitation movies while Godzilla destroys the city around them?

Lol I'm sure QT did!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 27, 2007, 03:33:22 PM
I bet if it did get made, upon its release, thousands of japanese moviegoers would commit seppuka in the theater aisles. It would be the one time the life insurance policies offered to the patrons (during many of the grindhouse/drive-in movies hyped advertising) would be warranted.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 27, 2007, 03:35:29 PM
 ;D


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on April 27, 2007, 03:49:02 PM
hahaha wow.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on April 27, 2007, 06:16:23 PM
I'm not sure what this means, but it's from an article here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/04/27/bfquentin27.xml

Quote
Having already paid homage to martial arts, revenge, slasher, Japanese and road-rage movies, Tarantino is also planning a new genre, a form of spaghetti western set in America's Deep South which he calls "a southern".

"I want to explore something that really hasn't been done," he says. "I want to do movies that deal with America's horrible past with slavery and stuff but do them like spaghetti westerns, not like big issue movies. I want to do them like they're genre films, but they deal with everything that America has never dealt with because it's ashamed of it, and other countries don't really deal with because they don't feel they have the right to.

"But I can deal with it all right, and I'm the guy to do it. So maybe that's the next mountain waiting for me."

It's a safe bet that his "southern" will also include homages to several other movie genres.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 28, 2007, 05:12:03 AM
I just posted this link on hte previous page. He's says he wants to do something different, but it sounds a lot like he wants to do one of the race hate/blaxploitation movies that were popular during the 70s. Movies like MANDINGO and DRUM (both major studio movies) and the black western LEGEND OF NI**ER CHARLEY starring Fred Williamson (a rarer than rare movie whose sequel is even more scarce). So QT isn't doing anything new there.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on April 28, 2007, 09:29:27 AM
He's been avoiding INGLORIOUS BASTARDS for practically  a decade.

He really doesn't want to do that film I guess. If he doesn't want to just say so.

This spaghetti western of his sounds like it will end up in the "waste basket of forgotten projects" just like his Mandarin Kung-fu film.


We have to also keep in mind that with the major box office failure of GRINDHOUSE it seems QT might have to play it safe on his next picture.

So no spaghetti western/blaxploitation movie. He has to appeal to the masses this time.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on May 03, 2007, 11:44:37 AM
Well, as much as I would love for him to do a spaghetti western, I want him first to make Inglorious Bastards first and than back to a grindhouse double feature with a spaghetti western being one of them. He needs to make a western, period. It's right up his alley.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on May 03, 2007, 02:23:29 PM
He needs to make a western, period. It's right up his alley.

I don't know. Talky westerns don't fare well with me.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on May 03, 2007, 04:13:30 PM
Yeah, and I'm not sure Quint is up on his 19th Century pop culture. I guess he could have a character name drop Englebert Humperdinck and hope for a laugh :D.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on May 04, 2007, 02:14:02 PM
FC, here's the other new Sybil Danning movie I was talking about but couldn't remember the name.

http://www.fangoria.com/news_article.php?id=4197


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on May 04, 2007, 08:22:35 PM
FC, here's the other new Sybil Danning movie I was talking about but couldn't remember the name.

http://www.fangoria.com/news_article.php?id=4197

according to the article there were six entries to THE HOWLING series? I thought there were only three (the last being that Tazmanian devil movie)?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on May 05, 2007, 12:26:06 PM
No it's actually seven. John Hough who directed LEGEND OF HELL HOUSE and TWINS OF EVIL directed HOWLING 4: THE ORIGINAL NIGHTMARE. Then came HOWLING 5: THE REBIRTH. Then after that there was the circus themed HOWLING 6: THE FREAKS. Then finally, came the worst next to part 2, HOWLING 7:NEW MOON RISING.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on May 07, 2007, 11:11:52 AM
Is there any chance we get the theatrical release of Grindhouse on DVD with extended versions of both movies separated. I'm thinking a 3 Disc DVD. That would be perfect.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on May 08, 2007, 07:28:08 PM
Is there any chance we get the theatrical release of Grindhouse on DVD with extended versions of both movies separated. I'm thinking a 3 Disc DVD. That would be perfect.

extended versions? I thought the theatrical version is all that exists..


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on May 09, 2007, 08:13:27 AM
No, QT has about 30 minutes of more material put back into Death Proof for its stand-alone release. In theory, there is the "missing reel" of Planet Terror to "restore" also. I've already speculated about this above. Looking at the model of Sin City DVD releases, where they first came out with a theatrical cut and then an "expanded edition" (with each of the stories presented separately), they might do the same thing here. The only thing that would argue against this plan is the running time of the theatrical cut. At over 3 hours, to get the whole thing onto one disc they'd have to encode at a bit rate so low that picture quality would suffer. So, if they are going to have to split the film between two discs anyway, it might make sense to just put out the expanded versions of the film to begin with. But somehow, I kinda think they won't do this. They want us to buy everything twice (at least), so what I'm thinking now is that there will be a 2-disc theatrical release, and then separate releases of Planet Terror and Death Proof: these latter will be the expanded cuts, and will probably be 2-disc sets with extras. So, to get everything, you have to buy 6 discs. I'm just speculating here, I have absolutely no inside knowledge.......


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on May 09, 2007, 09:34:59 AM
Makes sense jenkens. We'll soon find out. I have no doubts there will be two separate releases. I really hate double dipping!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on May 09, 2007, 10:22:49 AM


I've heard that the Europeans are releasing the two films seperately in theatres.  I don't think they'll sell the movies together on DVD over there.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sundance on May 09, 2007, 01:23:03 PM
In Finland the movies were announced to be released separately to theatres (and DVD... although I think we get both the Grindhouse version and separate releases) even before the Grindhouse had been released in the USA. (So this had nothing to do with how the movie made money in USA).
I remember even reading (from the company releasing the films) that they didn't even have any options regarding the versions they can show, that it was/is only separately or nothing at all.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on May 09, 2007, 01:32:56 PM

I've heard that the Europeans are releasing the two films seperately in theatres.  I don't think they'll sell the movies together on DVD over there.

They are definatly in the UK the b**tards (and I'm working with someone who worked on one of the trailers)


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on May 09, 2007, 02:16:11 PM
They are definatly in the UK the b**tards (and I'm working with someone who worked on one of the trailers)

really? that's awesome.  What are you working on?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on May 09, 2007, 02:25:49 PM
See pm  ;)


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on May 09, 2007, 04:08:49 PM
It's a shame this movie didn't find an audience as if it was a hit, I'm sure that many of the more rare exploitation movies would've gotten DVD release. BCI had a line set to go with two double features coming in July. Not sure if that's still a go or not.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on May 09, 2007, 06:22:33 PM
No, QT has about 30 minutes of more material put back into Death Proof for its stand-alone release. In theory, there is the "missing reel" of Planet Terror to "restore" also. I've already speculated about this above. Looking at the model of Sin City DVD releases, where they first came out with a theatrical cut and then an "expanded edition" (with each of the stories presented separately), they might do the same thing here. The only thing that would argue against this plan is the running time of the theatrical cut. At over 3 hours, to get the whole thing onto one disc they'd have to encode at a bit rate so low that picture quality would suffer. So, if they are going to have to split the film between two discs anyway, it might make sense to just put out the expanded versions of the film to begin with. But somehow, I kinda think they won't do this. They want us to buy everything twice (at least), so what I'm thinking now is that there will be a 2-disc theatrical release, and then separate releases of Planet Terror and Death Proof: these latter will be the expanded cuts, and will probably be 2-disc sets with extras. So, to get everything, you have to buy 6 discs. I'm just speculating here, I have absolutely no inside knowledge.......




Which I won't be buying any of them seeing as this wasn't worth more than two views.

Did anybody bother buying the Reservoir Dogs gas can special edition dvd? Didn't bother with that either. Looks like all it had to offer was nice packaging.

As  for their being 30 minutes of missing footage in DP, I remember QT saying in an interview that he releases his films the way he wants to and never plans on adding the scenes that were cut out of the film back on the print for the dvd.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on May 10, 2007, 10:31:42 AM
He will be FC. He's releasing his extended DC at Cannes


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on May 10, 2007, 11:38:21 AM
Oh there will definitely be extended cuts of both of these films. They were in all reality supposed to be NC-17 rated so we all know a lot was cut .


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on May 10, 2007, 05:48:46 PM
As  for their being 30 minutes of missing footage in DP, I remember QT saying in an interview that he releases his films the way he wants to and never plans on adding the scenes that were cut out of the film back on the print for the dvd.
And you believed him?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on May 10, 2007, 09:10:56 PM
I've also read that Death Proof is a half an hour longer before the cuts.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Kurug3n on May 10, 2007, 10:08:34 PM
I've also read that Death Proof is a half an hour longer before the cuts.

More dialouge?? no thanks


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on May 11, 2007, 05:21:56 PM
What is QT without more dialog?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on May 11, 2007, 06:45:00 PM
What is QT without more dialog?


When he does it well sure.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on May 22, 2007, 03:41:38 PM
His movies may have been pretty bad, but they were never boring...

http://www.fangoria.com/news_article.php?id=4313


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Leone Admirer on May 22, 2007, 03:54:52 PM
Death Proof met with resounding success at Cannes from audiences and critics alike.

The most worrying news however is Rodreguez is remaking Barbarella. How on Earth anyone and I mean anyone thought that was a good idea is completely beyond me.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on May 22, 2007, 04:07:40 PM
Death Proof met with resounding success at Cannes from audiences and critics alike.

The most worrying news however is Rodreguez is remaking Barbarella. How on Earth anyone and I mean anyone thought that was a good idea is completely beyond me.

I'm in agreement with you LA. Why is he remaking Barbarella? This doesn't make any sense at all. Work on Machete and than Film Sin City 2, no need to start this project in my opinion.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on May 23, 2007, 12:48:36 AM


The most worrying news however is Rodreguez is remaking Barbarella. How on Earth anyone and I mean anyone thought that was a good idea is completely beyond me.


Yeah with Drew Barrymore as Barbarella :P
At least that was the rumor two years ago.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on May 23, 2007, 09:58:06 PM

Yeah with Drew Barrymore as Barbarella :P
At least that was the rumor two years ago.


I would hope this is not the case. I'm not a fan of Barrymore. I just don't see the appeal.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on May 24, 2007, 04:59:19 PM
A Rodriguez remake of Barbarella sounds like a good idea since the original is terrible and R can only improve on it. DB doesn't sound like the right casting to me, however. AJ would work, maybe CD. My personal preference would be for JA....


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on May 24, 2007, 08:35:55 PM
A Rodriguez remake of Barbarella sounds like a good idea since the original is terrible and R can only improve on it. DB doesn't sound like the right casting to me, however. AJ would work, maybe CD. My personal preference would be for JA....

how bout MD, CB, FC, AU, LA? lol what's with the initials dave? I know DB as in Drew Barrymore but that's all I got out of that.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Man with no dame on May 24, 2007, 08:41:56 PM
how bout MD, CB, FC, AU, LA? lol what's with the initials dave? I know DB as in Drew Barrymore but that's all I got out of that.
I think AJ is Angelina Jolie and JA is Jennifer Aniston. It's like breaking some secret code. WOW!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Man with no dame on May 24, 2007, 09:17:24 PM
i think the thing that burns me up the most, are the people in the special feature docs, that talk about his ideas for scenes and characters as if they are so original and the flashes of a genius.

the dude is smart, i will not say he isn't, but come on. all one has to do is pop in the movie he ripped off to be completely floored with what he's getting away with
  It's funny, the first time I saw Reservoir Dogs, I had the distinct feeling I'd seen this film before. Then I realized it was The Taking of Pelham 123 and Tarantino had substituted a warehouse for the traincar. Whenever I watch his interviews, it always ends up being THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING TARANTINO, like he was somehow responsible for every great movie made. On Kill Bill he droned on for 10 minutes about how he "discovered" the music of the 12345678s. What do they use that music for, now, credit card ads. He definitely tries too hard. On a different note, wondered if anyone is into Herschell Gordon Lewis, the original grindhouse master: 2000 Maniacs, Blood Feast, She-Devils on Wheels.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on May 24, 2007, 09:48:01 PM
I think AJ is Angelina Jolie and JA is Jennifer Aniston. It's like breaking some secret code. WOW!

LOL, yeah I kind of figured. I was just busting his balls.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: cigar joe on May 25, 2007, 04:39:16 AM
yea but would a big budget Bararella have the classic striptease opening?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Man with no dame on May 25, 2007, 07:41:14 AM
yea but would a big budget Bararella have the classic striptease opening?
  Yes, one last peek at Fonda, before she became Hanoi Jane. >:D


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on May 25, 2007, 09:11:38 AM
  Yes, one last peek at Fonda, before she became Hanoi Jane. >:D

To hell with Hanoi Jane! >:(


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Man with no dame on May 25, 2007, 09:18:02 AM
To hell with Hanoi Jane! >:(
  Your a bit cranky today, Tucumcari. You must have a VVW in the family.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on May 25, 2007, 11:45:17 AM
I think AJ is Angelina Jolie and JA is Jennifer Aniston. It's like breaking some secret code. WOW!
Oops! There ARE limitations to communicating with initials, aren't there? You were right about AJ, but JA was Jessica Alba. Oh well, back to spelling things out.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on May 25, 2007, 11:53:36 AM
  Your a bit cranky today, Tucumcari. You must have a VVW in the family.

hahaha no I'm never cranky, I just don't like Hanoi Jane.  O0


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on May 25, 2007, 01:43:04 PM
I would hope this is not the case. I'm not a fan of Barrymore. I just don't see the appeal.

I don't find her attractive either.



Cigar Joe:
I wouldn't think a striptease opening would be wise with the remake. I don't like shot for shot stuff. The point of a remake is to update on the original.
Besides...no imitation can beat this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4-hAIDitBU


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on May 25, 2007, 02:29:04 PM
Saw BLOOD FEAST as a kid the same night I saw PIECES and both scared me. 2000 MANIACS is my fave of his films I've seen. The remake of MANIACS was pretty good. A sequel entitled 2002 MANIACS: THE BEVERLY HELLBILLIES should be wrapping up soon.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Man with no dame on May 25, 2007, 02:43:38 PM
Saw BLOOD FEAST as a kid the same night I saw PIECES and both scared me. 2000 MANIACS is my fave of his films I've seen. The remake of MANIACS was pretty good. A sequel entitled 2002 MANIACS: THE BEVERLY HELLBILLIES should be wrapping up soon.
  Ever catch Gruesome Twosome or The Gore-Gore Girls, good stuff. I can never remember the one he did starring Col. Harlan Sanders, of fried chicken fame. I'll have to look that one up. One that scared the crap out of me, as a kid was Inoshiro Honda's The H-Man. Don't know why. It's not that scary.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on May 25, 2007, 02:46:23 PM
HAven't seen either of those in years. GRUESOME has the talking mannequin heads at the opening because the film came up short and they had to fill the running time with something. I just remember the old lady and the son scalping the women.

GORE, GORE GIRLS has a scene where someones face is placed against a stove element, right? Isn't there also a breast that oozes chocolate milk or something like that?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Man with no dame on May 25, 2007, 02:52:02 PM
HAven't seen either of those in years. GRUESOME has the talking mannequin heads at the opening because the film came up short and they had to fill the running time with something. I just remember the old lady and the son scalping the women.

GORE, GORE GIRLS has a scene where someones face is placed against a stove element, right? Isn't there also a breast that oozes chocolate milk or something like that?
  The Classics!!! They just don't make 'em like that anymore.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on May 25, 2007, 03:05:07 PM
MWND, did you ever see Ishiro Honda's MATANGO? It was called ATTACK OF THE MUSHROOM PEOPLE here. the original version was a gothic allegory on greed, lust and drug addiction. BTW, A former banned in Japan film from teruo Ishii is coming out on legit DVD soon, HORROR OF THE MALFORMED MEN.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Man with no dame on May 25, 2007, 03:14:15 PM
Have heard of Mushroom People title. Never saw it. My exposure to Japanese cinema slowed down from limited releases in the States. How I envy foreigners, they get to see those films first. Sometimes, we never see them at all. Just the reviews.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on May 25, 2007, 03:17:53 PM
What kind of japanese cinema do you like? Kaiju, samurai, horror...Timeframe?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Man with no dame on May 25, 2007, 03:43:21 PM
Most definitely samurai. Red Beard, Kagemusha, Sanjuro(favorite),some of the more classic horror, Kwaidan, Gates of Flesh. As I said, our imports our limited. Hardly nothing on DVD. Even specialty stores are 3/4 stocked with 20 year old VHS tapes. Unfortunately for me, Anime and Godzilla seem to be all you can get in the States.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on May 25, 2007, 03:47:22 PM
He's down for maintenance at the moment, but try www.fareastflix.com. He has many, many samurai movies and tv shows.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Man with no dame on May 25, 2007, 03:53:51 PM
He's down for maintenance at the moment, but try www.fareastflix.com. He has many, many samurai movies and tv shows.
  Thanks! O0  Maybe I'll let you know where I get my Russ Meyer flicks. >:D OOOOH That Uschi Digard! :-*


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on May 25, 2007, 03:57:51 PM
Many of his films are here....

http://xploitedcinema.com/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?search_in_description=1&keywords=russ+meyer

Have you seen the ILSA films? Some of his vixens are in these.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Man with no dame on May 25, 2007, 04:09:29 PM
Many of his films are here....

http://xploitedcinema.com/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?search_in_description=1&keywords=russ+meyer

Have you seen the ILSA films? Some of his vixens are in these.
  I saw Ilsa She Wolf of the SS, Dyanne Thorne, I believe. I like the Tinto Brass flicks, but all you can get from his 40 year career, are Caligula & The Key. Wouldn't mind seeing some Pasolini, again, for some garish thrills.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on May 25, 2007, 04:11:26 PM
The sequel ILSA, HAREM KEEPER OF THE OIL SHEIKS has two of his busty girls in it. In some ways, I prefer the second film to the first. It has so many different genre elements within its filmic structure. There's even an homage to a famous shot in Bava's BLACK SUNDAY.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Man with no dame on May 25, 2007, 04:27:41 PM
They only made like 3 or 4 Ilsas, series didn't take off like Emmanuelle flicks. There's another producer who made tons of the pre-Deep Throat soft core, stuff like Wham Bam Thank You Spaceman and The Erotic Adventures of Zorro. They're hilarious. Pre-implant sex flicks could sometimes almost be like horror flicks.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on May 25, 2007, 04:34:49 PM
Yeah, Thorne is in the WHAM BAM SPACEMAN movie. There's only actually 3 ILSA's. The Franco one is in name only. The original film is WANDA, THE WICKED WARDEN aka GRETA, THE MAD BUTCHER. It was changed to ILSA, THE WICKED WARDEN and ILSA, ABSOLUTE POWER to capitalize on the name. Also, on these prints, the name Ilsa is dubbed in. It's an awful movie, BTW save for the snuff angle and the cannibalism climax.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Man with no dame on May 25, 2007, 05:01:37 PM
I think there was another series on around that time, set in WWII, starring Claudine Baccarie, with bits by a young Ilona Staller, but I forget the name of them. They were a cheaper version of Ilsas, if that's possible.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: cigar joe on May 27, 2007, 09:32:16 AM
 ;) Thanks for that!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Man with no dame on May 30, 2007, 06:43:51 PM
Why are they remaking that cornball movie, anyway. The original was out-dated when it was released.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on May 30, 2007, 09:16:15 PM
Why are they remaking that cornball movie, anyway. The original was out-dated when it was released.

Well you know how director's are with their ego's...they think they can make something that was already made better.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Man with no dame on May 31, 2007, 05:07:28 AM
Well you know how director's are with their ego's...they think they can make something that was already made better.
  No doubt, anybody could remake Barbarella better than the original. Roger Vadim was a quasi-arthouse director trying his hand at soft-core porn. Unfortunately, he forgot to put the porn in! If I want to see this kind of tripe, I'll rent Perils of Gwendoline in the Land of the Yik-Yak. Much more to look(ogle) at.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: cigar joe on May 31, 2007, 09:54:56 PM
 ;D


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on June 07, 2007, 05:07:50 PM
This just posted over at hometheaterforum.com:

Death Proof (Widescreen Version) [DVD] (2007)
Presented here as the extended version submitted to the Cannes Film Festival, Quentin Tarantino's half of the "Grindhouse" double feature stars Kurt Russell as a psychotic stunt driver who uses his souped-up movie car to stalk and kill unsuspecting young women. But Russell gets more than he bargained for when he targets a group of girls with a deadly fast ride of their own and a crazy streak almost as long as his, setting the stage for a breakneck chase on a windy rural road.

Rosario Dawson, Tracie Thoms, Zoe Bell also star.
Extended version.
Widescreen;
Soundtrack: English.
Two-disc set.
Category: Action & Adventure
Director: Quentin Tarantino
Cast: Michael Bacall, Rosario Dawson, Vanessa Ferlito, Jordan Ladd, Jonathan Loughran, Rose McGowan, Tim Murphy, James Parks, Michael Parks, Sydney Tamiia Poitier, Eli Roth, Kurt Russell, Marley Shelton, Monica Staggs, Quentin Tarantino, Tracie Thoms

Available: 09/18/07
Rated: NR

Link:
turnerclassic.moviesunlimited.com/product.asp?sku=D55291++


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on June 07, 2007, 06:58:49 PM
I knew it. Will they ever release the Grindhouse experience as seen in the theatre?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Man with no dame on June 07, 2007, 08:31:39 PM
I knew it. Will they ever release the Grindhouse experience as seen in the theatre?
  I know, missed my window of opportunity to see this one BIG! Rosario Dawson and Sidney Poitier's daughter, RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!! And personal "The Man" Kurt Russell. The film tanked too fast!  Oh, well, wait for the DVD!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on June 07, 2007, 08:37:38 PM
  I know, missed my window of opportunity to see this one BIG! Rosario Dawson and Sidney Poitier's daughter, RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!! And personal "The Man" Kurt Russell. The film tanked too fast!  Oh, well, wait for the DVD!

The film is amazing in my opinion.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Man with no dame on June 07, 2007, 08:55:46 PM
The film is amazing in my opinion.
  This is where you younger guys get screwed. When I was younger, films got re-released over and over. Nowadays, you get one shot at it, and that's it. If the film sucks, it's not so bad, BUT, IF THE FILM IS GOOD, then you missed it,  and that's it! Someone should come up with a concept where you can watch films the way they were originally presented. Any time you want. Maybe, a DVD bar, where you walk in, put your flick in, kick back and relax.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on June 07, 2007, 09:05:09 PM
  This is where you younger guys get screwed. When I was younger, films got re-released over and over. Nowadays, you get one shot at it, and that's it. If the film sucks, it's not so bad, BUT, IF THE FILM IS GOOD, then you missed it,  and that's it! Someone should come up with a concept where you can watch films the way they were originally presented. Any time you want. Maybe, a DVD bar, where you walk in, put your flick in, kick back and relax.

I hate my generation period. I was definitely born in the wrong era.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Man with no dame on June 07, 2007, 09:15:43 PM
I hate my generation period. I was definitely born in the wrong era.
Ah, the upside to your generation is DVD. Back in our day, when a flick got pulled, we had to wait for a butchered version to come out on TV. Now, I'm seeing films from my youth, like they were new. The technology is awesome, I just wish we had more choices, like with VHS.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on June 07, 2007, 09:30:42 PM
Ah, the upside to your generation is DVD. Back in our day, when a flick got pulled, we had to wait for a butchered version to come out on TV. Now, I'm seeing films from my youth, like they were new. The technology is awesome, I just wish we had more choices, like with VHS.

Yeah, I guess this generation has some advantages. Your generation however had GREAT MUSIC OVERALL, people had more respect, the country was in better condition and so on. Today, people lack discipline period.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Man with no dame on June 07, 2007, 10:12:41 PM
Yeah, I guess this generation has some advantages. Your generation however had GREAT MUSIC OVERALL, people had more respect, the country was in better condition and so on. Today, people lack discipline period.
Can't go back in time, compadre'!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on July 30, 2007, 08:32:14 PM
This was posted over at criterionforum.org:

Quote
From Chris Barry on the Moebius forum:


SDCC: Grindhouse Gets Cut in Two
Seperate DVD releases for Death Proof and Planet Terror
by Christopher Monfette
July 26, 2007 - The Weinstein Company and Genius Products announced today that the two films that made up the classically under-rated Grindhouse release will hit DVD on two seperate, extended and unrated DVDs.

Quentin Tarantino's serial-killer homage to the old school car chase film, Death Proof will hit shelves with over 30 minutes of additional, never-before-seen footage including the maddening "missing reel" (containing the excised lapdance sequence) as well as a black and white segment in the film's second act. The DVD will hit on September 18, 2007 for a price of $29.95. Features will include:

Finding Quentin's Gals

The Guys of Death Proof

Kurt Russell as Stuntman Mike

Introducing Zoe Bell

Quentin's Greatest Collaborator: Editor Sally Menke

Double Dare trailer

International Poster Gallery

Meanwhile, the Robert Rodriguez zombie entry, Planet Terror, will attack with more footage, deleted scenes, a full commentary and the infamous missing reel. That disc will drop on October 16, 2007 for a price of $29.95 and it's features will include:

Audio Commentary with Writer/Director Robert Rodriguez

International trailer

Deleted Scenes

Cooking School

10-Minute Film School

The Stunts

The Make-up and Effects

The Badass Babes

The Renegade Guys

The Costumes

The Production Design

Other facts I've gleaned: Best Buy will offer special steelbook editions of both releases. None of the scheduled releases will include the trailers from Grindhouse. It is believed that eventually a full Grindhouse DVD will be released (which of course would include the trailers).


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 30, 2007, 08:37:18 PM
The steal covers seem attractive but, I dunno if I want to buy these additions. I might wait for the future re-release. I want the Grindhouse Experience with trailers and all.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on July 30, 2007, 08:40:18 PM
This was posted over at criterionforum.org:

Other facts I've gleaned: Best Buy will offer special steelbook editions of both releases. None of the scheduled releases will include the trailers from Grindhouse. It is believed that eventually a full Grindhouse DVD will be released (which of course would include the trailers).


Three reasons why NOT to buy it.

1.Tarantino's movie was too long in the theatre, why would I want to see MORE footage?

2. Their releasing both films seperatly? HA!

3. Without the trailers (the best parts of the movie), what's the point?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 30, 2007, 08:44:07 PM

Three reasons why NOT to buy it.

1.Tarantino's movie was too long in the theatre, why would I want to see MORE footage?

2. Their releasing both films seperatly? HA!

3. Without the trailers (the best parts of the movie), what's the point?

Well Firecracker. I agree with you to some extent. I don't agree however with Death Proof being to long. I thought the slow build up to this film was great. I had a great time watching Kurt Russell stalk and then talk to these girls before any action happened.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on July 30, 2007, 08:46:17 PM
The steal covers seem attractive but, I dunno if I want to buy these additions. I might wait for the future re-release. I want the Grindhouse Experience with trailers and all.
I do too, but I also want the extended versions of the movies. Also, the extras look pretty good (especially on Planet Terror: R's Cooking School and Film School segments have been good on other releases). The only way to get everything is to buy these new releases, then buy Grindhouse also when it comes out. Yeah, I know I'm a sucker, but that's probably what I'm gonna do.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 30, 2007, 08:47:51 PM
I do too, but I also want the extended versions of the movies. Also, the extras look pretty good (especially on Planet Terror: R's Cooking School and Film School segments have been good on other releases). The only way to get everything is to buy these new releases, then buy Grindhouse also when it comes out. Yeah, I know I'm a sucker, but that's probably what I'm gonna do.

You make a great point too dave jenkins! I also want the extended versions of both films. I'm probably going to pick these up then. You sold me!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on July 30, 2007, 08:50:46 PM
I have a great time stalking girls


 :o


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 30, 2007, 08:54:56 PM

 :o

Who has a great time stalking girls?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on July 30, 2007, 11:15:07 PM
Another point is that you can pick up the SD releases this time around, and when Grindhouse proper comes out you can get the Blu-ray.

Oh, TB, don't mind Firecracker. He's projecting his own interests onto others.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Kurug3n on July 31, 2007, 12:48:23 AM
I will wait until there is a release of Planet Terror with the trailers and until then i will wait O0


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on July 31, 2007, 02:17:05 PM
Oh, TB, don't mind Firecracker. He's projecting his own interests onto others.


At least my young age allows me to do such activities without looking creepy, Jinkies! ;D


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 31, 2007, 02:53:32 PM
You know what really sucks is the fact that they're releasing the DVD's at different times. Why not on the same day?! Geez I'm sick and tired of this crap.  >:(


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on July 31, 2007, 03:10:39 PM
You know what really sucks is the fact that they're releasing the DVD's at different times. Why not on the same day?! Geez I'm sick and tired of this crap.  >:(


$

http://glenntarantino.ytmnd.com/


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 31, 2007, 04:30:17 PM

$

http://glenntarantino.ytmnd.com/

hahahaaha!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on August 01, 2007, 07:45:20 PM
Cover art for Death Proof: http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/grindhouse.html


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on August 01, 2007, 07:55:19 PM
Cover art for Death Proof: http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/grindhouse.html

That's awesome.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 04, 2007, 09:45:16 PM
Grindhouse is the best movie (or movies) of 2007. The fact that it flopped at the box office proves that America is a dumb country.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on August 04, 2007, 11:25:30 PM
Grindhouse is the best movie (or movies) of 2007. The fact that it flopped at the box office proves that America is a dumb country.

I agree. I'm telling you man, it's this generation today. They are impatient and want action fed to them right off the bat. They do not care about substance, or the development of a great story. Simply put, they did not understand this film. Us as film lover's here know a thing or two about film, but there's only so few of us I'm sad to say. I haven't had that much fun in the theatre in years. Grindhouse was a real treat, and I finally got to watch two films that showed us trully what the 1970's movie going experience was like. I was excited to see this because the 1970's is one of my favorite decades of films. What a thrill ride it was for me!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Silenzio on August 04, 2007, 11:48:58 PM
I agree. I'm telling you man, it's this generation today.

Oi, bugger off! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBMos92heq0&mode=related&search=)


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on August 04, 2007, 11:57:55 PM
Oi, bugger off! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBMos92heq0&mode=related&search=)

Silenzio, you know I don't mean you. I'm talking about people in my generation as well. Obviously you're an exception. You are a rare buddy and you should feel proud.  O0


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Kurug3n on August 18, 2007, 12:02:49 AM
http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/grindhouse.html (http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/grindhouse.html)

Heres the news on the releases and can't wait for October 16th!!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 18, 2007, 01:31:56 AM
http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/grindhouse.html (http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/grindhouse.html)

Heres the news on the releases and can't wait for October 16th!!

and it's on two DVDs  >:(


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Kurug3n on August 22, 2007, 06:31:34 PM
Kevin, nice avatar man O0

This is from the Death Proof boards on IMDB and i agree with this guy..

QT has ran out of gimmicks and hipster dialogue. Its time to make some real movies now. Something he really isn't capable of doing. He is still a child in a lot of ways. A nerd who suddenly became "cool" after Pulp Fiction blew-up, and he has been living the "cool" life ever since...And as a result, he never really worked on improving his craft, which needs a lot of work. And Death Proof shows that: He hasn't grown in 12 years as a director or writer. He has been hiding behind these exploitation collage-type of movies, and its getting old and stale. With Death Proof, he is just re-hashing his old and flawed techniques, and he does a bad job at that (boring dialogue, horrid pacing, which has never been a strength of his, horrible storytelling).

Its time for QT to step up and grow as an artist, or he will be the "remember the guy who made Pulp Fiction?...whatever happened to him?".


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on August 22, 2007, 06:40:02 PM
The big disappointment for me was Kill Bill. All that time since Jackie Brown and the best he can do is genre pastiches? The shame of it is, Jackie Brown showed him the way: adapt other writers. He should stop copying other movies and instead take strong novels and make them into films. There's no telling him, evidently, he listens only to sycophants.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on August 22, 2007, 06:44:29 PM
The big disappointment for me was Kill Bill. All that time since Jackie Brown and the best he can do is genre pastiches? The shame of it is, Jackie Brown showed him the way: adapt other writers. He should stop copying other movies and instead take strong novels and make them into films. There's no telling him, evidently, he listens only to sycophants.

I love Kill Bill though. I think it's wonderful. Mabye because I love all the spaghetti western homages.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on August 23, 2007, 11:04:02 AM
I love Kill Bill though. I think it's wonderful. Mabye because I love all the spaghetti western homages.


I just hate the idea of Tarantino taking credit for bringing the western homages to life, since most of the people who watch and his movies have not been very exposed to the SW genre. And those people assume that the one who came up with what is originally inspired by a SW is Tarantino.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 23, 2007, 12:43:42 PM

I just hate the idea of Tarantino taking credit for bringing the western homages to life, since most of the people who watch and his movies have not been very exposed to the SW genre. And those people assume that the one who came up with what is originally inspired by a SW is Tarantino.

At least he puts The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly as his favorite film of all time, and the best directed film of all time. He also takes stuff from Martin Scorsese.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on August 23, 2007, 01:58:50 PM
And those people assume that the one who came up with what is originally inspired by a SW is Tarantino.
No, the youngsters know that QT ideas from older movies but they are just not interested in seeing them.

Not sure which is more ignorant.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on August 23, 2007, 02:14:18 PM
No, the youngsters know that QT ideas from older movies but they are just not interested in seeing them.

Not sure which is more ignorant.


How can anybody call themselves a film fan when they don't even want to see these great films Tarantino steals from. It just doesn't make any sense to me.  ???


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on August 23, 2007, 02:19:31 PM
How can anybody call themselves a film fan when they don't even want to see these great films Tarantino steals from. It just doesn't make any sense to me.  ???

Tarantino has birthed many "film fans" that only go so far as to being "Tarantino fans".


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Silenzio on August 23, 2007, 02:20:38 PM
He's also birthed many "Tarantino fans" that go as far as being "film fans."


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on August 23, 2007, 05:36:28 PM
He's also birthed many "Tarantino fans" that go as far as being "film fans."

Such as... you?  ;)


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Silenzio on August 23, 2007, 05:42:55 PM
Such as... you?  ;)

Don't forget Firecracker.  ;)




(He won't admit it).


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on August 23, 2007, 05:44:55 PM
Don't forget Firecracker.  ;)




(He won't admit it).

That's right. I forgot.

If you go down, he goes down with you...  ;D


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on August 23, 2007, 06:46:28 PM
(He won't admit it).
I was a movie fan long before I even heard of QT.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Silenzio on August 23, 2007, 06:54:22 PM
I was a movie fan long before I even heard of QT.

Me too.

My favorites were The Godfather and The Manchurian Candidate.


But I wasn't a "Cinema" fan till I discovered QT.

Meaning I wasn't a Leone fan.

Meaning neither were you.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on August 23, 2007, 07:15:12 PM


Meaning I wasn't a Leone fan.

Meaning neither were you.

I didn't know who Leone was until QT pointed him out to me. True.
At least I took the initiative to look for him unlike countless others.
And Leone isn't the epitome of cinema so, yes, I was a cinema fan before I knew QT.

In the early days of my fandom I fooled myself into thinking I liked Fellini, Godard, Kurosawa etc. because it was what cinema buffs told me to like (otherwise you are an uncultured cretin).
I kicked that habit within a year and only watched what I enjoyed from then on. I refused to be a tool for the system.

Not saying the guys I mentioned aren't great, they are at the top of their class but I can't sit through their movies over and over again.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on August 23, 2007, 09:13:17 PM
In the early days of my fandom I fooled myself into thinking I liked Fellini, Godard, Kurosawa etc. because it was what cinema buffs told me to like (otherwise you are an uncultured cretin).
I kicked that habit within a year and only watched what I enjoyed from then on. I refused to be a tool for the system.
So now you're a tool for who?

Grasshopper, your enlightenment in incomplete. There are several Godards I enjoy, but he made many more that are absolutely wretched. Kurosawa has his good films and his bad ones. To my way of thinking, Fellini only made one truly great film. Prize films, not directors. Exorcise the spirit of Andrew Sarris and free yourself of the auteur theory before it's too late.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on August 23, 2007, 09:16:33 PM
So now you're a tool for who?



For myself I suppose (if you can come up with a name after you read this post, please, be my guest).
My tastes are eclectic and never stick to just one genre or a certain medium.
I'll watch anything and everything deemed poor or great so the auteur theory holds little value here (I do believe in it though).
In a way, the student has now become the master since I see you shunning films you deem poor without ever seeing them.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on August 23, 2007, 10:28:11 PM
I'll watch anything and everything deemed poor or great so the auteur theory holds little value here (I do believe in it though).
This is, I hope you realize, a contradiction.

Oh, and there is nothing wrong with shunning films. We cannot see everything, so choices have to be made. Those choices are based on past experience, and associations with those experiences. If I go into a bar and get the stuffing beat out of me, why would I go back? There are plenty of other bars where I'll be treated better; I will find them and patronize those, or at least keep looking.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on August 23, 2007, 10:41:29 PM
I've been a film fan since the day I started watching television. Basically my whole damn life, long before MR. QT ever came a long. Honestly, I can't stand your typical QT fanboy. They claim they know everything there is to know about films and when I get into a discussion about films, they always seem not to know very much. QT has spawned millions of fan's like this. They're not all like this though, you have some hear and there like a lot of us who know their stuff. I for one, like QT's work. I don't mind that he pay's homage to many great films of years past, most of which I love. So it's cool seeing these little homages here and there.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Silenzio on August 23, 2007, 10:47:10 PM
In the early days of my fandom I fooled myself into thinking I liked Fellini, Godard, Kurosawa etc. because it was what cinema buffs told me to like (otherwise you are an uncultured cretin).

Nobody fooled me into liking the aforementioned directors.  It was QT who pointed me in the direction of Leone and Godard.  And from Leone I discovered Kurosawa, and countless others.  Basically any given film you see on the "Top 15" thread you mentioned can somehow be pointed back to QT (except The Godfather).

So, for me at least, it was QT who brought me to the door to all the cinema I love.

And that is why i'm a QT fan.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on August 23, 2007, 10:55:03 PM
This is, I hope you realize, a contradiction.



I'm aware it is but it is how I feel. Hard to explain really. I don't expect you to understand even if I try to tell you.

I think every movie is a different experience even if it is from the same director, genre or anything else that it shares a similarity with.
So I can't agree with your bar theory.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on August 23, 2007, 10:55:26 PM
I love Kill Bill though. I think it's wonderful. Mabye because I love all the spaghetti western homages.


You are referring to the SECOND FILM, yes? Save for the scene with the two sheriff's discovering the rampage in the chapel, KILL BILL 1 is strictly about Chinese martial art movies and Japanese samurai films with a couple other homages sprinkled throughout, Fulci's THE PSYCHIC for instance as well as a de Palma reference.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on August 23, 2007, 10:56:21 PM


And that is why i'm a QT fan.


I was at one point. I just grew out of him I guess.
He is talented nontheless and I would go see his films if they are in theatres.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Silenzio on August 23, 2007, 10:58:51 PM
The thing that made me happy about the first film was the usage of the scores from Death Rides a Horse, The Grand Duel, and Navajo Joe (or was that in the second one?  I can't remember).


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on August 23, 2007, 10:59:32 PM
The thing that made me happy about the first film was the usage of the scores from Death Rides a Horse, The Grand Duel, and Navajo Joe (or was that in the second one?  I can't remember).


NJ's score was in the second film.
Used twice and two different tracks.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on August 23, 2007, 11:00:18 PM
I think every movie is a different experience even if it is from the same director, genre or anything else that it shares a similarity with.
We are in complete agreement on this point. That's why I never say "I like Westerns," or, "I like Kubrick."


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Silenzio on August 23, 2007, 11:01:01 PM

I was at one point. I just grew out of him I guess.
He is talented nontheless and I would go see his films if they are in theatres.

As we've discussed before, he's a director you grow out of. 

Still, I love to watch his film (haven't seen Death Proof yet though).


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on August 23, 2007, 11:01:17 PM
DEATH...during the shaw styled finale, GRAND DUEL during the anime (both from part 1) JOE was used during the sole martial arts sequence in part 2 not counting the limp finale.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Silenzio on August 23, 2007, 11:02:30 PM
Yeah I distcintly remember the parts where they used DRAH and TGD, but Navajo Joe was escaping me.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on August 23, 2007, 11:05:01 PM
As we've discussed before, he's a director you grow out of.


What does this statement mean, exactly? Are you inferring that his movies are for young minds only? I am not a fan of his, but like someone else said, he needs (or should try) to take a more passioned approach to his films instead of copying past filmmakers. He is not bringing any respectability or new fans to the genres who loves so dearly.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on August 23, 2007, 11:09:17 PM

What does this statement mean, exactly?


It means he blew my mind once but has quickly become cliched and uninteresting.
As you said, he needs to stray away from what he's doing. Almost had it with Jackie Brown but went right back to the same shit with KILL BILL.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on August 23, 2007, 11:12:36 PM
And now after the cinematic travesty that is GRINDHOUSE he wants to do a so called "meaningful" film in the race hate genre akin to MANDINGO, DRUM or FIGHT FOR YOUR LIFE....another GRINDHOUSE movie.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on August 23, 2007, 11:18:08 PM
And now after the cinematic travesty that is GRINDHOUSE he wants to do a so called "meaningful" film in the race hate genre akin to MANDINGO, DRUM or FIGHT FOR YOUR LIFE....another GRINDHOUSE movie.


Don't count your chickens before they hatch.
QT spouts movie ideas left and right and never attempts to make them.
Been hearing, for the past 6 years, he's almost finished with his "Inglorious Bastards" script, he just needs to think of a good ending.
(get to it QT. Your not getting any younger).

After KILL BILL he wanted to make a prequels to RD and PF. It was going to star Travolta and Madsen (the characters from each film are actually brothers because they share the same last name) and it was going to be called "The Vega Brothers".
Never happened.

Few months after that bit of news he wanted to make a kung-fu film in mandarin and then dub it in english.
Never happened.


Few others I can't even recall anymore.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on August 23, 2007, 11:23:37 PM
Thanks be to Buddha there was no kung fu movie with intentionally bad dubbing!!! Also, speaking of his "influences", his Travolta and Jackson characters in PULP FICTION appear modeled on Woody Strode and Henry Silva's characters in the italo crime movie MANHUNT (1972). A movie he was instrumental in seeing release on DVD.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on August 23, 2007, 11:42:30 PM
MANHUNT (1972).

That has Garko in it right? Or am I thinking the third in the trilogy?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on August 23, 2007, 11:43:35 PM
Garko is in the third as a crooked commissioner.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: moviesceleton on August 24, 2007, 09:24:37 AM
He's also birthed many "Tarantino fans" that go as far as being "film fans."
This is pretty much my case. I think it went something like this:
1. LOTR blew me away, made me want to become a director and made me a Jackson fan.
2. Pulp Fiction blew me away, I became a Tarantino fan. His interviews reminded me of Leone's films I had seen as little kid.
3. I bought Leones and was completely blown away. I became a fan of his.
And all along that journey my interest to different genres and directors has evolved. 

Now I think I've created a monster that goes by the name: ..."Tarantino-fan". :( No, not really. He probably thinks that Tarantino's films are the best ever but I can't say that he's become an ignorant fuck. He's still a "normal moviegoer", not a movie buff. And a great friend.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on August 24, 2007, 09:51:31 AM
His interviews reminded me of Leone's films I had seen as little kid.



I'm not sure I understand ???



Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: moviesceleton on August 25, 2007, 06:59:41 AM
I'm not sure I understand ???
I was expecting this :-[
His interviews reminded me of Leone's films I had seen as little kid.
=Tarantino praised Leone's films in interviews. I remembered I had seen at least GBU and OUATITW as a kid and I remembered liking them.

Did that clear it up?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Sonny on August 25, 2007, 10:12:06 AM
Garko is in the third as a crooked commissioner.

I'm so glad AC is posting here again...  O0


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on August 25, 2007, 02:04:50 PM
I was expecting this :-[=Tarantino praised Leone's films in interviews. I remembered I had seen at least GBU and OUATITW as a kid and I remembered liking them.

Did that clear it up?


Yes, thank you.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on September 18, 2007, 09:51:59 PM
For those contemplating acquiring the Death Proof DVD: definitely go for the exclusive Best Buy release (no, I'm not an employee, nor are any members of my family). Not only do you get the cool steelbook packaging, you also get a bonus 3rd disc. Granted, the only thing on this extra extra disc is the EPK, but it's the EPK for Grindhouse, not Death Proof. As such, you get lots of footage/behind-the-scenes/interviews etc relating to Planet Terror, and even selected moments from some of the trailers (Thanksgiving, Don't, the Rob Zombie one, even two of the best bits from Machete), AND some (very, very brief) behind-the-scenes on the making of some of the trailers. Of course, you also get stuff about Death Proof, and coolest of all, some out-takes from that that didn't even make it into the extended cut of the film. Yeah, the EPK is only 20 minutes long, but Best Buy is selling their set for 22.99. So why settle for the Amaray case?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on September 18, 2007, 09:53:16 PM
For those contemplating acquiring the Death Proof DVD: definitely go for the exclusive Best Buy release (no, I'm not an employee, nor are any members of my family). Not only do you get the cool steelbook packaging, you also get a bonus 3rd disc. Granted, the only thing on this extra extra disc is the EPK, but it's the EPK for Grindhouse, not Death Proof. As such, you get lots of footage/behind-the-scenes/interviews etc relating to Planet Terror, and even selected moments from some of the trailers (Thanksgiving, Don't, the Rob Zombie one, even two of the best bits from Machete), AND some (very, very brief) behind-the-scenes on the making of some of the trailers. Of course, you also get stuff about Death Proof, and coolest of all, some out-takes from that that didn't even make it into the extended cut of the film. Yeah, the EPK is only 20 minutes long, but Best Buy is selling their set for 22.99. So why settle for the Amaray case?

I picked up my copy today dave jekins and you are absolutely right!!! It's a great purchase if you're interesting in having a copy of the film.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on September 18, 2007, 09:56:22 PM
You also get a $5.00 off coupon for Planet Terror, but I think that comes with either form of the release.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on September 18, 2007, 10:00:16 PM
You also get a $5.00 off coupon for Planet Terror, but I think that comes with either form of the release.

Yup, you're right again. I got the $5.00 coupon. This was a great buy! I can't wait to watch the extended cut.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Kurug3n on September 19, 2007, 08:35:06 PM
Damit! I want the coupon but not the movie! >:(


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on September 19, 2007, 09:17:46 PM
I'll sell you mine for $6.00 (plus $2.99 for shipping). >:D


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: KevinJCBJK on September 19, 2007, 10:04:44 PM
I'll sell you mine for $6.00 (plus $2.99 for shipping). >:D

that's a very good deal.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Kurug3n on September 19, 2007, 10:48:03 PM
I'll sell you mine for $6.00 (plus $2.99 for shipping). >:D

For the Coupon!?!??


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on September 20, 2007, 09:42:10 PM
Beaver: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews32/death_proof.htm

It's cool that the German title is Todsicher. Also, I'm glad to be reminded of the Italian dub--gotta listen to that tonight!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on September 20, 2007, 10:41:25 PM
There's no Italian dub on Planet Terror: http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=65975


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on September 22, 2007, 05:14:59 PM
(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4738/deathproof1fi2.png)

Who is Stuntman Mike smiling at? You? Me? Are we complicit in his crimes?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on September 22, 2007, 05:27:32 PM
(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4738/deathproof1fi2.png)

Who is Stuntman Mike smiling at? You? Me? Are we complicit in his crimes?


hahaha this scene always makes me laugh. It just doesn't make any sense when an actor looks into a camera. I think he's just laughing because everything's working out the way he planned. He's happy, but it's like Quentin wants us the audience to be happy for this guy.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on September 23, 2007, 10:50:24 PM
On the Death Proof thread over at HTF there is a discussion about some of the similarities between DP and Psycho; some have identified a possible direct reference; one poster astutely notes that the structure of DP is very close to Psycho's. This is particularly interesting, because QT, in the extras on the DVD, mentions that the scene in the hospital serves the same function as the psychologist's explanation at the end of Psycho (delivered by the great Simon Oakland). I've never liked that part of Psycho, but I think QT may have found a way of improving on Hitchcock in that he moved the explanation scene from the end to the middle of his movie, where it works much better. And, of course, QT's explanation scene is very funny.

Now, here's a blog where a guy gives a summary of a Q&A session he attended which featured Tarantino and Zoe Bell. I think the explanation of why the girls in the second half don't just stop the car is worth your attention. http://thunderpeel2001.blogspot.com/2007/09/tarantino-death-proof-q-part-2.html


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on October 08, 2007, 10:33:22 AM
Planet Terror: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews33/planet_terror.htm


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on October 08, 2007, 11:00:31 AM
Thanks for these links jenkins!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: KevinJCBJK on October 10, 2007, 03:47:47 PM
I think I'll get Death Proof tomorrow.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on October 10, 2007, 04:06:49 PM
Good idea. Then you'll have the $5-off coupon ready for next week's release of Planet Terror. O0


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: KevinJCBJK on October 10, 2007, 05:45:32 PM
Hmm, I might get that too. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. O0


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on October 10, 2007, 07:20:43 PM
You all can't wait for the oober-super-sonic-4 disc edition?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: KevinJCBJK on October 10, 2007, 08:17:46 PM
Was that a joke? I haven't been keeping track.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on October 10, 2007, 08:18:47 PM
Was that a joke?

Partially.

I was referring to the 4 disc set that will be coming out in a few months.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tuco the ugly on October 10, 2007, 08:30:38 PM
Partially.

I was referring to the 4 disc set that will be coming out in a few months.

The boy's from Texas. Give him a break.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on October 10, 2007, 08:34:54 PM
The boy's from Texas. Give him a break.

Well you know what they say about Texas...


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tuco the ugly on October 10, 2007, 08:38:57 PM
Well you know what they say about Texas...

Yeah, but I wonder if he knows...


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on October 13, 2007, 10:45:24 AM
DVDTalk on Planet Terror: http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=30926


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: KevinJCBJK on October 13, 2007, 01:56:53 PM
Yeah, but I wonder if he knows...

Something to do with steers?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on October 13, 2007, 02:29:43 PM
DVDTalk on Planet Terror: http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=30926

Damn the missing reel is not put back in the film! >:(


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Kurug3n on October 13, 2007, 04:56:16 PM
To everyone who bought the Death Proof DVD is the film any better with it being longer? ???


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on October 13, 2007, 05:01:16 PM
To everyone who bought the Death Proof DVD is the film any better with it being longer? ???

I honestly liked it better but you know how some people hate a lot of diologue. Well, there's a lot more of it in the extended version. It's just more of Tarantino's talk, talk, talk diologue and of course, you get the LAP DANCE scene that was taken out of the theatrical version.  :)


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on October 13, 2007, 07:06:06 PM
I liked the longer Death Proof. With Planet Terror, though, you don't want the "missing reel" reinserted as it would spoil one of the great jokes in the film (as it stands, before the missing reel, Michael Biehn has something against El Wray and keeps giving him a hard time; afterwards, they're suddenly the best of friends).


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on October 13, 2007, 08:01:35 PM
I liked the longer Death Proof. With Planet Terror, though, you don't want the "missing reel" reinserted as it would spoil one of the great jokes in the film (as it stands, before the missing reel, Michael Biehn has something against El Wray and keeps giving him a hard time; afterwards, they're suddenly the best of friends).

You have a point about the missing reel in PLANENT TERROR jenkins. I like the film the way it is now that I think about it. I can't wait to pick this up Tuesday! O0


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on October 13, 2007, 08:04:22 PM
I liked the longer Death Proof. With Planet Terror, though, you don't want the "missing reel" reinserted as it would spoil one of the great jokes in the film (as it stands, before the missing reel, Michael Biehn has something against El Wray and keeps giving him a hard time; afterwards, they're suddenly the best of friends).


That and you never find out how the BBQ place turned into a flaming inferno.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on October 16, 2007, 09:45:35 PM
Exclusive to the Best Buy steelbook release of PT is an extra disc with a 25-26 minute Q&A featuring Rodriguez with occasional interjections from Harry Knowles. Probably from the Austin premier. I've transcribed one of the highlights. They had been talking about how the theaters could actually change the grindhouse experience by messing with the prints (usually unintentionally):

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The accidents that would happen before didn’t really serve the picture. What if it did? What if you went to a theater that made all the right accidents? Like, you’d be watching a very boring section, there’d be a bad splice, like some action was missing, and suddenly you’re back to the next good part. So I decided to do that, just make the movie all the good parts. And, uh . . . you know the second act, the end of the second act of a movie is always where . . . oh, the good guy is actually the bad guy, the guy you thought was bad is really the good guy . . . and, uh, they’re gonna be fighting the whole movie but at some point they’re gonna fall in love and it will be great for them in the last act. And the main hero, who has a very mysterious past you don’t know about, will finally reveal it at the end of the second act. . . I took out that section [audience laughter] and made it the missing reel.

[Harry Knowles]: But did you film the missing part?

Didn’t even film it.

[Harry Knowles]: So you knew in advance you . . .

I knew in advance I didn’t want to see that shit ever. Because, uh . . . it’s just more bullshit until you get to the third act. Every movie’s the same—the second act is all about “We’ve gotta find the cure, we’ve gotta find the cure” and “I’m starting to get with my girlfriend again. Everyone wondering who I am.” Missing reel. Come back: everything’s on fire, everyone’s just gotta get to Mexico.

[laughter]


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: KevinJCBJK on October 17, 2007, 02:34:14 PM
So I heard they never filmed anything for the "Missle Reel" scene in Planet Terror. That's good news.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on October 17, 2007, 02:48:36 PM
So I heard they never filmed anything for the "Missle Reel" scene in Planet Terror. That's good news.

Yeah, I was reading about that today. I'm sure it's true.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on October 17, 2007, 03:50:39 PM
I am too, as Rodriguez himself says so (see above).


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on October 22, 2007, 01:53:07 AM
While re-watching Planet Terror last week on DVD, several shots reminded me of similar set-ups I'd seen in John Carpenter films, especially Assault on Precinct 13 and Escape From New York. Then, listening to the audio commentary, Rodriguez admitted that he wasn't really doing a 70s movie, he was doing an 80s film. He even acknowledged the debt to Carpenter, going so far as to claim that PT fits perfectly between EFNY and The Thing. Now that I've heard him say that it makes complete sense. Of course, Carpenter was never a grindhouse director, so now we're gonna have to listen to every dickfor complain that R didn't deliver what was advertised. Gee, no, he came up with something better, idiots. ::)


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: KevinJCBJK on October 22, 2007, 08:42:03 PM
I was laughing so hard when I caught that "Jungle Julia" reference in Planet Terror. ;D


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on October 22, 2007, 09:40:55 PM
I was laughing so hard when I caught that "Jungle Julia" reference in Planet Terror. ;D

I loved that part!!!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on November 19, 2007, 11:18:59 PM
I watched this last night and fell asleep and watched it again from beginning to end tonight and although it had some good stuff, I can't help but feel disappointed with it. Lots of action and gore and little homages to past movies and the music was awesome and probably the best thing about the film. It seemed like a couple of cues from HALLOWEEN were tweaked for the film and was very Carpenterish. At 100 minutes, no one character is particularly memorable at least not to me. Maybe it was because everything was so polished and everybody poses constantly throughout. The whole film, as well as the QT one, seem so self-indulgent, posh, crass and arrogant that neither one are as memorable nor as "ambitious" as the films they portend to be nodding to.

Almost done with DEATH PROOF and PLANET TERROR is miles away better at least in terms of what this bloated double feature was supposed to be anyway.

FINALLY finished this near two hour female MY DINNER WITH ANDRE married to DUEL and other car crash/bang'em up flicks. Far more conceited than the other movie, you get damn near 50 minutes of unlikeable drunken women having useless conversation in a bar only to be given (near) 50 more minutes of Rittilin deprived women having more useless conversation before the big car chase finale. Hell, you forget Kurt Russell is even in the damn movie.

Some of it's great, but not enough to recommend this to anybody. What the hell kind of exploitation movie was this supposed to be? No wonder people were walking out of the theaters for this one.

And why the hell does QT have to write two paragraphs of dialog for something that can be said in a few words? This one is brimming with far too much "My name is QT in case you don't remember and my writing is so fucking cool that I'm gonna shove it down your fucking throat in such a way that you'll fucking remember next time in case you fucking forgot!" diatribes that this wasted glob of funds would have been best suited as one of the faux trailers with one of THOSE being the FEATURE PRESENTATION.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on December 19, 2007, 03:28:49 AM
On March 21, 2008 something called Grindhouse Complete Box will be released in Japan, a 6 disc set. From what I can determine, Discs 1-4 will be pretty much what is available in the U.S. at this point, the extended versions of Planet Terror and Death Proof and their respective bonus discs. Disc 5 will be (wait for it) the 191 minute theatrical cut of the film with all the trailers included. Disc 6 will be an additional bonus disc only available in this new set. At current exchange rates, the box (from amazon.co.jp) will cost about $65.00 US plus postage.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on December 20, 2007, 05:18:03 PM
Over at criterionforum.org they've posted the details of 6-disc J set. Here they are:

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Disc 1: Death Proof (Extended Film)
-English DTS, English DD, Japanese dub
-Japanese subtitles

-Japanese Theatrical/TV trailers
-Staff/Cast Profiles (Text)
-What is Grindhouse? (Text)

Disc 2: Planet Terror (Extended Film)
-English DTS, English DD, Japanese dub
-Japanese Subtitles

-Rodriguez commentary
-International/Japanese trailers
-Staff/Cast Profiles (Text)
-What is Grindhouse? (Text)

Disc 3: Death Proof bonus materials
-Special Message to Japan from Tarantino
-Staff and Cast interviews on Death Proof
-Stunts on Wheels: The Legendary Drivers of Death Proof (20:39)
-Introducing Zoë Bell (8:59)
-Kurt Russell as Stuntman Mike (9:34)
-Finding Quentin's Gals (21:14)
-The Uncut Version of "Baby, It's You" Performed by Mary Elizabeth Winstead (1:48)
-The Guys of Death Proof (8:16)
-Quentin's Greatest Collaborator: Editor Sally Menke (4:38)
-Double Dare Trailer (2:36)

Disc 4: Planet Terror bonus materials
-10-Minute Film School (11:52)
-The Badass Babes of Planet Terror (11:50)
-The Guys of Planet Terror (16:32)
-Casting Rebel (05:34)
-Sickos, Bullets and Explosions: The Stuns of Planet Terror (13:18)
-The Friend, The Doctor and The Real Estate Agent (6:42)

Disc 5: Grindhouse (191 minute theatrical cut)
-English DD, Japanese dub
-Japanese subtitles

Disc 6: Japanese only Grindhouse bonus disc (106 minutes)
-Grindhouse - US Trailer
-2006 San Diego Comicon
-Tarantino Interview (About the homages in Death Proof, About Planet Terror, Use of Music, Possible Sequel to Death Proof)
-Staff/Cast comments
-The Directors of the Fake Trailers
-Coments on past Grindhouse Films
-Making Of Planet Terror


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on December 03, 2008, 12:05:38 PM
Holy Blu-ray, Batman! The new HD of PT offers the film in two ways: standard theatrical (intentionally "distressed"), or a new PRISTINE version, with all (or almost all) the scratches removed. Some very interesting screen cap comparisons over at the Beaver: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews33/planet_terror.htm

Damn, looks like I'm buying this title again!


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: The Firecracker on December 03, 2008, 10:55:32 PM

Damn, looks like I'm buying this title again!

Can't you give that money to charity instead?


Tis the season...


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on December 05, 2008, 06:16:31 AM
The Beev on the Death Proof Blu-ray: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews43/death_proof_blu-ray.htm


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Dust Devil on August 01, 2009, 02:07:09 PM

Planet Terror (2007) - 5.85/10

Death Proof (2007) - 6.55/10


I prefer DP by a couple of degrees, but still, while there are parts in them I can watch again both movies really don't go anywhere, all style over substance... Which maybe OK, they're sold as ''grindhouse'', there's no false advertising.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on August 01, 2009, 02:23:01 PM
Planet Terror (2007) - 5.85/10

Death Proof (2007) - 6.55/10

 they're sold as ''grindhouse'', there's no false advertising.

Well, DEATH PROOF is about as false advertising as you can get. That movie is NOWHERE near the type, nor style of movie it claims to emulate. I cannot think of ONE SINGLE exploitation movie (I REALLY HATE that grindhouse word now. Hardly anyone ever used it before save for those who actually knew what it was or had seen some of the movies) that features stuck up bitches chatterboxing for an hour before the audience is introduced to ANOTHER group of giggling girls who sit around and talk for what seems like forever before the big car chase. I had even forgotten Kurt Russell was even in this flick. Horrible move that deserved what it got. PLANET TERROR was not much better, but it came the closest to emulating that type of film. Furthermore, for the cost of this overblown garbage, you could have shot several dozen or more TRUE exploitation pictures. And from the looks of this retarded "war" movie from "that director who shall remain nameless", it appears it will be another gabfest. If it doesn't bomb, I will be really surprised.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Kurug3n on August 01, 2009, 02:54:13 PM
I prefer DP by a couple of degrees

taking stuff out of context is really amazing.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Dust Devil on August 01, 2009, 03:02:29 PM
Well, DEATH PROOF is about as false advertising as you can get. That movie is NOWHERE near the type, nor style of movie it claims to emulate. I cannot think of ONE SINGLE exploitation movie (I REALLY HATE that grindhouse word now. Hardly anyone ever used it before save for those who actually knew what it was or had seen some of the movies) that features stuck up bitches chatterboxing for an hour before the audience is introduced to ANOTHER group of giggling girls who sit around and talk for what seems like forever before the big car chase. I had even forgotten Kurt Russell was even in this flick. Horrible move that deserved what it got. PLANET TERROR was not much better, but it came the closest to emulating that type of film. Furthermore, for the cost of this overblown garbage, you could have shot several dozen or more TRUE exploitation pictures. And from the looks of this retarded "war" movie from "that director who shall remain nameless", it appears it will be another gabfest. If it doesn't bomb, I will be really surprised.

Well yeah, I guess you have a point, but I took the whole thing superficially and wasn't really interested in nuances. For me it was ''crazy zombies around a small town'' and ''crazy driver killing chicks on the road''. Basic ideas of which one could make explo flicks, right? The rest was unnecessary bullshitting (talkie chicks and stuff), and I didn't much like it.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Dust Devil on August 01, 2009, 03:09:16 PM
taking stuff out of context is really amazing.

Bastard.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: noodles_leone on August 02, 2009, 02:06:44 AM
Well, DEATH PROOF is about as false advertising as you can get. That movie is NOWHERE near the type, nor style of movie it claims to emulate. I cannot think of ONE SINGLE exploitation movie (I REALLY HATE that grindhouse word now. Hardly anyone ever used it before save for those who actually knew what it was or had seen some of the movies) that features stuck up bitches chatterboxing for an hour before the audience is introduced to ANOTHER group of giggling girls who sit around and talk for what seems like forever before the big car chase. I had even forgotten Kurt Russell was even in this flick. Horrible move that deserved what it got. PLANET TERROR was not much better, but it came the closest to emulating that type of film. Furthermore, for the cost of this overblown garbage, you could have shot several dozen or more TRUE exploitation pictures. And from the looks of this retarded "war" movie from "that director who shall remain nameless", it appears it will be another gabfest. If it doesn't bomb, I will be really surprised.

On the other hand, to make an hommage to grindhouse movies doesn't mean to make a grindhouse movie. PT and DP both took what they wanted from real grindhouse movies and used them in another way, which is still an hommage to these movies, but they did something else. Which is not that terrible, is it? I mean, you may have hated these 2 movies, but what's the point of saying they're not grindhouse?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on August 02, 2009, 11:36:45 AM
On the other hand, to make an hommage to grindhouse movies doesn't mean to make a grindhouse movie. PT and DP both took what they wanted from real grindhouse movies and used them in another way, which is still an hommage to these movies, but they did something else. Which is not that terrible, is it? I mean, you may have hated these 2 movies, but what's the point of saying they're not grindhouse?

Because DP is not! And countless others who KNOW WHAT THOSE MOVIES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WILL TELL YOU THE SAME THING. Again, people don't READ obviously.....

PLANET TERROR was not much better, but it came the closest to emulating that type of film.

Outside of MAYBE ten minutes of delivering on what the title promises, DP is still left with 100 minutes of QT's usual self absorbed referential yappin' to let the audience know once more that he knows about obscurities that the average person doesn't know and really doesn't give two shits about. I didn't like the movie, you obviously did. I didn't even pay to see it in the theater because it looked like crap from the commercial and I had a feeling it was gonna bomb because those kinds of films are a niche and the generation today isn't interested in anything over ten years old. They were gambling on Q's name alone and it didn't work. If you want to see what a REAL exploitation movie should be (then again, maybe you don't), check out some of these. Some are classics, some are good, some are average to mediocre and some are just plain bad, but most are remembered for certain qualities....

ZOMBIE
THE FLESH EATERS
GALAXY OF TERROR
FORBIDDEN WORLD
THE GREAT TEXAS DYNAMITE CHASE
DEATHSPORT
THE STREETFIGHTER
THE EXECUTIONER
MACON COUNTY LINE
WHITE LINE FEVER
POOR PRETTY EDDIE
THE LEGEND OF NI**ER CHARLEY
THE SOUL OF NI**ER CHARLEY
BOSS NI**ER
BLACK SHAMPOO
PSYCHIC KILLER
BEYOND THE DOOR
MAKE THEM DIE SLOWLY
CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST
NIGHTMARE CITY
STUCK ON YOU! (Troma)
THE TOXIC AVENGER
MOTHER'S DAY
ROME ARMED TO THE TEETH
VIOLENT NAPLES
EATEN ALIVE (76)
EATEN ALIVE! (80)
THE BRAIN THAT WOULDN'T DIE
DIRTY MARY, CRAZY LARRY
DEATHRACE 2000
HUMANOIDS FROM THE DEEP
WALKING TALL (1973)
THE FLYING GUILLOTINE
FIVE VENOMS
KING BOXER
KILL SQUAD
TERROR EXPRESS
ANTHROPOPHAGUS
BASKET CASE
ABSURD
ALMOST HUMAN
REVENGE OF THE NINJA
THE BIG DOLL HOUSE
THE BIG BIRD CAGE
WOMEN IN CAGES
CAGED HEAT
SWITCHBLADE SISTERS
BURIAL GROUND
THE BIG RACKET
CANNONBALL
CLASS OF 1984
MANDINGO
DRUM
THE LOSERS
1990: THE BRONX WARRIORS
RAIDERS OF ATLANTIS
SILENT RAGE
TREASURE OF THE AMAZON
VIOLENCE FOR KICKS
TRUCK TURNER
THREE THE HARD WAY
BUCKTOWN
BLACULA
DEATHSTALKER
ESCAPE 2000
THE BOXER FROM SHANTUNG
FRANKENSTEIN MEETS THE SPACE MONSTER
THE GIANT SPIDER INVASION
HUNDRA
THE THING WITH TWO HEADS
BIG BAD MAMA
BLOODY MAMA
EATING RAOUL
EAT MY DUST!
GRAND THEFT AUTO
MANIAC
MAD DOCTOR OF BLOOD ISLAND
LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT
LET SLEEPING CORPSES LIE
TORSO
THE LADY TERMINATOR
JUNGLE HOLOCAUST
ILSA, SHE WOLF OF THE SS
ILSA, HAREM KEEPER OF THE OIL SHIEKS
ILSA, THE TIGRESS OF SIBERIA
I DRINK YOUR BLOOD
I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE
HUNCHBACK OF THE MORGUE
THE HILLS HAVE EYES
HELL OF THE LIVING DEAD
THE GESTAPO'S LAST ORGY
FIGHT FOR YOUR LIFE
SAVAGE STREETS
SHE (1983)
2019: AFTER THE FALL OF NEW YORK
etc, etc, etc, etc..........


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Dust Devil on August 02, 2009, 03:21:26 PM
I think I know how to recognize an explo flick but most people (here and elsewhere) obviously don't, so why not give a basic formula so that people can understand why is Grindhouse not (pure) exploitation. You said a couple of times it's not, but never why.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on August 02, 2009, 03:30:05 PM
I think I know how to recognize an explo flick but most people (here and elsewhere) obviously don't, so why not give a basic formula so that people can understand why is Grindhouse not (pure) exploitation. You said a couple of times it's not, but never why.

Obviously you don't and I think I explained why elsewhere in this thread. If that list I posted appears alien to you, than no further explanation will aid you. I think I explained enough. Yet again, people don't reeeeeaaaad. I said PT came the closest, but the overblown second half was nothing but a gab fest. I didn't care for either one, but RR's was the better of the two if I were (forced) to pick one.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Dust Devil on August 02, 2009, 03:30:40 PM
NIGHTMARE CITY

From what I've heard Incubo sulla città contaminata is, in fact, Planet Terror. Or vice versa, actually.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Dust Devil on August 02, 2009, 03:33:46 PM
Obviously you don't and I think I explained why elsewhere in this thread. If that list I posted appears alien to you, than no further explanation will aid you. I think I explained enough. Yet again, people don't reeeeeaaaad. I said PT came the closest, but the overblown second half was nothing but a gab fest. I didn't care for either one, but RR's was the better of the two if I were (forced) to pick one.

Didn't read the whole topic, it's 25 pages long.

I know why those movies are exploitation flicks but most people don't. That list don't mean nothing to them. I bet they think exploitation is a genre of its own.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: PowerRR on August 02, 2009, 04:46:10 PM
but RR's was the better of the two if I were (forced) to pick one.
thank you LOOOOL


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: noodles_leone on August 02, 2009, 04:56:14 PM
Because DP is not! And countless others who KNOW WHAT THOSE MOVIES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WILL TELL YOU THE SAME THING. Again, people don't READ obviously.....

PLANET TERROR was not much better, but it came the closest to emulating that type of film.

Outside of MAYBE ten minutes of delivering on what the title promises, DP is still left with 100 minutes of QT's usual self absorbed referential yappin' to let the audience know once more that he knows about obscurities that the average person doesn't know and really doesn't give two shits about. I didn't like the movie, you obviously did. I didn't even pay to see it in the theater because it looked like crap from the commercial and I had a feeling it was gonna bomb because those kinds of films are a niche and the generation today isn't interested in anything over ten years old. They were gambling on Q's name alone and it didn't work. If you want to see what a REAL exploitation movie should be (then again, maybe you don't), check out some of these. Some are classics, some are good, some are average to mediocre and some are just plain bad, but most are remembered for certain qualities....

...

Cool it, man ;)
I already read the previous post, so you don't have to write the same thing in a second one... I'm telling you PT and DP are NOT exploitation movies, they "talk" about exploitation movies and make a few nods of the head to them... and try to LOOK like it. RR and QT are NOT doing they're own exploitation movie, as the "fake" look of the poster, of the trailer, and of the fake camera flaws show in their movies... Liking them or not is not the question: I don't see how they "betrayed" the audience and/or REAL grindhouse, that's my point.

Come on, did you really think that they were trying to make us believe that they were actually missing reels in both movies?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on August 02, 2009, 09:41:21 PM


Come on, did you really think that they were trying to make us believe that they were actually missing reels in both movies?

Well of course they did. They stated it many times in various horror and other genre publications. The films were shot complete and later chunks were removed for the "missing reels", which I thought was really stupid to begin with as you are going to confuse audiences further when they don't know what the hell you're going for anyway. The movie bombed on both theatrical and home video, so even its target audience wasn't impressed for the most part.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: T.H. on August 02, 2009, 10:21:45 PM
I know why those movies are exploitation flicks but most people don't. That list don't mean nothing to them. I bet they think exploitation is a genre of its own.

I'm by no means an expert on explotation cinema and I clearly understand AC's point. I don't think an argument can be made in PT and DP's defense.

and who are these people that are so confused?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: noodles_leone on August 03, 2009, 02:30:18 AM
Well of course they did. They stated it many times in various horror and other genre publications. The films were shot complete and later chunks were removed for the "missing reels"

??
if that's true, you're right. But I'm sorry I cannot believe you on that point... Look at PT: it's obvious that the missing reel is a JOKE in this movie. The biggest part of the movie (big fight against zombies, sheriff getting shot, sex scene, explaination about "El Rey"...) takes place during the missing reel... RR never shot that scene, and everybody in the audience, even the stupidest teenager you can find will never believe they're actually IS a missing reel somewhere...

So, once again, may be "no argument can be made in PT and DP's defense", but either their is no argument against them so far, either I still cannot read.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Dust Devil on August 03, 2009, 07:04:50 AM
I'm by no means an expert on explotation cinema and I clearly understand AC's point. I don't think an argument can be made in PT and DP's defense.

There was no point made by AC, at least I didn't read any. If it was made sometimes before I don't have the time to search through 25+ pages of this thread to find it. Anyway, that is not even important, because I agree with what he said.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: noodles_leone on August 03, 2009, 07:47:45 AM
...
But on what? what do ou agree on? that PT and DP are not grindhouse? everyone knows that...


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Dust Devil on August 03, 2009, 08:28:20 AM

I don't know anymore, I lost track of what we were discussing. I was about to write something but it slipped my mind.

Though I can guess that no matter what the subject of the discussion is, you're probably writing nonsense, as usual.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: noodles_leone on August 03, 2009, 08:51:48 AM
Though I can guess that no matter what the subject of the discussion is, you're probably writing nonsense, as usual.

Who doesn't?


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Dust Devil on August 03, 2009, 09:10:20 AM
Who doesn't?

AC. He does not fuck around.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Arizona Colt on August 03, 2009, 10:41:20 AM
??
if that's true, you're right. But I'm sorry I cannot believe you on that point... Look at PT: it's obvious that the missing reel is a JOKE in this movie. The biggest part of the movie (big fight against zombies, sheriff getting shot, sex scene, explaination about "El Rey"...) takes place during the missing reel... RR never shot that scene, and everybody in the audience, even the stupidest teenager you can find will never believe they're actually IS a missing reel somewhere...



I am only telling you what was stated by them in various interviews. I honestly do not care about a "missing reel" because this movie sucks with, or without it.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: noodles_leone on August 03, 2009, 12:02:44 PM
Ok...


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on July 17, 2010, 07:58:08 AM
Up for pre-order at last: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003VMFWYI?

Looks like the correct AR has been restored, which is good. Watching the faux John Carpenter stuff in anything less than 'scope was B.S.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: Spikeopath on March 08, 2017, 07:45:10 PM
Because DP is not! And countless others who KNOW WHAT THOSE MOVIES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WILL TELL YOU THE SAME THING. Again, people don't READ obviously.....

PLANET TERROR was not much better, but it came the closest to emulating that type of film.

Outside of MAYBE ten minutes of delivering on what the title promises, DP is still left with 100 minutes of QT's usual self absorbed referential yappin' to let the audience know once more that he knows about obscurities that the average person doesn't know and really doesn't give two shits about. I didn't like the movie, you obviously did. I didn't even pay to see it in the theater because it looked like crap from the commercial and I had a feeling it was gonna bomb because those kinds of films are a niche and the generation today isn't interested in anything over ten years old. They were gambling on Q's name alone and it didn't work. If you want to see what a REAL exploitation movie should be (then again, maybe you don't), check out some of these. Some are classics, some are good, some are average to mediocre and some are just plain bad, but most are remembered for certain qualities....

ZOMBIE
THE FLESH EATERS
GALAXY OF TERROR
FORBIDDEN WORLD
THE GREAT TEXAS DYNAMITE CHASE
DEATHSPORT
THE STREETFIGHTER
THE EXECUTIONER
MACON COUNTY LINE
WHITE LINE FEVER
POOR PRETTY EDDIE
THE LEGEND OF NI**ER CHARLEY
THE SOUL OF NI**ER CHARLEY
BOSS NI**ER
BLACK SHAMPOO
PSYCHIC KILLER
BEYOND THE DOOR
MAKE THEM DIE SLOWLY
CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST
NIGHTMARE CITY
STUCK ON YOU! (Troma)
THE TOXIC AVENGER
MOTHER'S DAY
ROME ARMED TO THE TEETH
VIOLENT NAPLES
EATEN ALIVE (76)
EATEN ALIVE! (80)
THE BRAIN THAT WOULDN'T DIE
DIRTY MARY, CRAZY LARRY
DEATHRACE 2000
HUMANOIDS FROM THE DEEP
WALKING TALL (1973)
THE FLYING GUILLOTINE
FIVE VENOMS
KING BOXER
KILL SQUAD
TERROR EXPRESS
ANTHROPOPHAGUS
BASKET CASE
ABSURD
ALMOST HUMAN
REVENGE OF THE NINJA
THE BIG DOLL HOUSE
THE BIG BIRD CAGE
WOMEN IN CAGES
CAGED HEAT
SWITCHBLADE SISTERS
BURIAL GROUND
THE BIG RACKET
CANNONBALL
CLASS OF 1984
MANDINGO
DRUM
THE LOSERS
1990: THE BRONX WARRIORS
RAIDERS OF ATLANTIS
SILENT RAGE
TREASURE OF THE AMAZON
VIOLENCE FOR KICKS
TRUCK TURNER
THREE THE HARD WAY
BUCKTOWN
BLACULA
DEATHSTALKER
ESCAPE 2000
THE BOXER FROM SHANTUNG
FRANKENSTEIN MEETS THE SPACE MONSTER
THE GIANT SPIDER INVASION
HUNDRA
THE THING WITH TWO HEADS
BIG BAD MAMA
BLOODY MAMA
EATING RAOUL
EAT MY DUST!
GRAND THEFT AUTO
MANIAC
MAD DOCTOR OF BLOOD ISLAND
LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT
LET SLEEPING CORPSES LIE
TORSO
THE LADY TERMINATOR
JUNGLE HOLOCAUST
ILSA, SHE WOLF OF THE SS
ILSA, HAREM KEEPER OF THE OIL SHIEKS
ILSA, THE TIGRESS OF SIBERIA
I DRINK YOUR BLOOD
I SPIT ON YOUR GRAVE
HUNCHBACK OF THE MORGUE
THE HILLS HAVE EYES
HELL OF THE LIVING DEAD
THE GESTAPO'S LAST ORGY
FIGHT FOR YOUR LIFE
SAVAGE STREETS
SHE (1983)
2019: AFTER THE FALL OF NEW YORK
etc, etc, etc, etc..........

Having just watched Bloody Mama I wouldn't have thought it was classed as Exploitation, but I'm definitely no expert. Oh and I liked the film plenty.

Interesting thread.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: noodles_leone on March 09, 2017, 03:37:13 PM
8 years later, I'm still right.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: T.H. on March 09, 2017, 06:36:56 PM
I don't remember the specifics of the argument but QT and RR's movies didn't capture the spirit of those movies in the way that something like The Devil's Rejects succeeded in doing.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: noodles_leone on March 10, 2017, 03:27:41 AM
I don't remember the specifics of the argument but QT and RR's movies didn't capture the spirit of those movies in the way that something like The Devil's Rejects succeeded in doing.

I fully agree, and I don't think they ever intended to do so :) These two Grindhouse movies are movies for hipsters... which isn't a bad thing at all.


Title: Re: Grindhouse
Post by: dave jenkins on March 10, 2017, 08:15:29 AM
I fully agree, and I don't think they ever intended to do so :) These two Grindhouse movies are movies for hipsters... which isn't a bad thing at all.
Yeah, real Grindhouse films don't interest me at all. These send-ups of the genre, though, I find entertaining.