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Title: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: Belkin on December 16, 2004, 02:20:02 PM
Thursday, 16 December, 2004


~ On This Day ~

1989: Lee Van Cleef dies, Oxnard, California, USA.

Sadly missed!


Title: Re:LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: KERMIT on December 16, 2004, 06:12:09 PM
Thursday, 16 December, 2004


~ On This Day ~

1989: Lee Van Cleef dies, Oxnard, California, USA.

Sadly missed!



sadly missed is right !  thank you belkin.  LVC was a personal hero of mine.  not just mortimer/angel eyes, ect. but all the charactor work he put in.  truly one of the all time great character actors.  
Title: Re:LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: dave jenkins on December 17, 2004, 03:59:08 PM
LVC was great in _Escape From New York_. Carpenter knew how to use him.
Title: Re:LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: CloseUpEye on December 18, 2004, 03:53:13 PM
  I always really liked the few LVC work I have seen myself. "Escape From New York" was a good role.

  Seems that Carpenter tried to get great actors that fell off the map in US films. While it may have been budget, I think he more was into realizing a lot of talent can slip through the cracks in this "who is hot right now?" sham that's Hollywood.

   It's a pity that outside the 'Dollars' and 'E F New York' that his work is hard to find here in the states. I would love to see much more of his work.

   I often think it's like some great jazz men that come from here (US), some I personal know... hugely talented people, and "big" in Europe, selling out 20,000 people concert halls, then they play here and we are lucky in they fill a small bar in the rundown part of town.

  I think, generally speaking, Europe realizes what is good, while US is just image image bullsh**.

  I argee, Tarantino would have used him. I have talked to him once a few years back and he said "I LOVE THAT GUY!!" like we didn't know that before. ;)

  Hail hail to LVC, seemly ego free, soft spoken and a gentle soul that could morph into anything he put his mind to. Your method of "less is more" are big here personally.
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: Groggy on January 14, 2006, 08:38:08 AM
Well, there's always Van Cleef's American Western films.

High Noon
The Tin Star
Gunfight at the O.K. Corral
The Bravados
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
How The West Was Won

To name a few. . .

Even though his were bit parts in all of those films, that's still quite an impressive resume, even without the Spaghetti Westerns.  And as the Colonel and Angel Eyes, he was, of course, beyond compare.
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: titoli on January 14, 2006, 11:33:36 PM
Before Leone, who knew who he was? I presume just a handful of aficionados. A great american filmography, but only in the light of what he did after he came over here. I don't think he did show he was something more than an impressive face in his american movies. It was Leone who turned him into a full-fledged actor.   
What is beyond explanation though is how, after his glorious european holiday, couldn't find a stable place in Hollywood until Carpenter picked him up. Probably the american directors of the '70's and '80's weren't watching SW's? Or did he have a bad reputation because of his drinking habits?
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: titoli on January 17, 2006, 12:39:27 AM
I should watch again these performances pre-Leone, I'll admit that. Still I was never impressed by him when I first saw these movies, in spite of having seen them after he became a star. But you're probably right, he was already an actor when he came over here, though I'd bet that Leone picked him only for his looks. Still what  doesn't rhyme with me is the after Europe career. I disagree that he had no place with the new genre of city thrillers: I can't think of many actors that could vie with him for both villain and hero roles; actually I could name many that couldn't match him and starred in more movies than him. That face (as redefined by Leone) was extraordinary, as everyone in this site easily understands. It is true that Hollywood's way are infinite: but the directors should have known better. They go for visual qualities not for what kind of movies you starred in: and LVC had to spare of the former.
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: roberti on February 26, 2006, 02:22:41 PM
1989 was a sad year for cinema:Lee van Cliff, John Cassavetes, Laurence Olivier, Bette Davis and ..Sergio Leone passed away.

Special mention for Charles Vanel (The Wages of Fear) and Jean Bouise (1989 as well )who was the funny old guy in both Luc Besson Dernier Combat and Big Blue.he had a ''lead'' role in I am Cuba (1964) a fantastic movie-documentary by a russian director,forbidden for years.

Regarding John fabulous Cassavetes, you could have a look at this website if you don't really know his work.
http://people.bu.edu/rcarney/

nota bene: John Cassavetes, Sergio Leone and Jean Bouise were all 60...
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: The Firecracker on March 05, 2006, 05:51:08 PM
1989 was a sad year for cinema:Lee van Cliff, John Cassavetes, Laurence Olivier, Bette Davis and ..Sergio Leone passed away.

Special mention for Charles Vanel (The Wages of Fear) and Jean Bouise (1989 as well )who was the funny old guy in both Luc Besson Dernier Combat and Big Blue.

Regarding John fabulous Cassavetes, you could have a look at this website if you don't really know his work.
http://people.bu.edu/rcarney/

nota bene: John Cassavetes, Sergio Leone and Jean Bouise were all 60...


i have only seen one of cassevete's films "Shadows". I didnt care much for it.
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: roberti on March 06, 2006, 07:08:12 AM
Well, John Cassavetes used to make a cinema d'auteur describing some aspects of the society, defending some values such as love and friendship. With Ben Gazzara (fabulous in Marco Ferreri's tales of ordinary madness) and Peter Falk, they were 3 good friends believing in and making excellent and intimist cinema opposed to insipid Hollywood productions.

http://people.bu.edu/rcarney/

Sergio Leone used to say that he was the greatest american director (quoted from conversation avec sergio leone, noel simsolo)

Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: The Firecracker on August 20, 2006, 12:14:33 AM
Looking at this old thing again I realized I said nothing about Van Cleef which is basically a sin to me as he is my favorite action star.

You can say I have a bit of a man crush for the guy. He was never big at home but he will always be bigger and better then any other action star of his time (and the next) in my eyes.

Now that I have seen all of his spags and American westerns (his starring roles) I will branch out into his other works. Looking forward to it very much.  :D
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: Banjo on August 20, 2006, 03:55:48 AM
Now that I have seen all of his spags and American westerns (his starring roles) I will branch out into his other works. Looking forward to it very much.  :D
I've seen him in The Octagon,Escape From New York and Armed Response.All good films! ;)
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: The Firecracker on August 20, 2006, 05:40:41 PM
From Wikipedia-
"Lee Van Cleef died from a heart attack in Oxnard, California and was interred in Forest Lawn - Hollywood Hills Cemetery in Los Angeles. His gravestone says "Lee Van Cleef Jan 9, 1925 - Dec 16, 1989 'Best of the Bad' Love and Light"."


Here is a picture of his grave and head stone...


http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pif&GRid=2175&PIgrid=2175&PIcrid=7975&ShowCemPhotos=Y&


I was at California just recently and I'm now kicking myself for not visiting and paying my respects. Oh well...hopefully next time...
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 21, 2006, 11:41:25 AM
From Wikipedia-
"Lee Van Cleef died from a heart attack in Oxnard, California and was interred in Forest Lawn - Hollywood Hills Cemetery in Los Angeles. His gravestone says "Lee Van Cleef Jan 9, 1925 - Dec 16, 1989 'Best of the Bad' Love and Light"."


Here is a picture of his grave and head stone...


http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pif&GRid=2175&PIgrid=2175&PIcrid=7975&ShowCemPhotos=Y&


I was at California just recently and I'm now kicking myself for not visiting and paying my respects. Oh well...hopefully next time...

Wish his head stone was larger.  :(
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: The Firecracker on August 21, 2006, 12:23:28 PM
Wish his head stone was larger.  :(


I like it better that it's small. It shows that he never wished to be a flashy attention seeker unlike most celebritys.
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 21, 2006, 12:28:08 PM

I like it better that it's small. It shows that he never wished to be a flashy attention seeker unlike most celebritys.

I didn't mean a huge monument like many stuck-up celebrities. I agree with you it should be small. But it should have a tombstone, above the ground. You know what I'm talking about right?
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: Sanjuro on August 21, 2006, 11:49:38 PM
There should be some sort of his memorial in Sad Hill area in Spain.
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 22, 2006, 11:48:02 AM
There should be some sort of his memorial in Sad Hill area in Spain.

That's a great idea!

We'll do it ourselves! Anyone got a shovel?  ;D
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: marmota-b on August 22, 2006, 12:03:08 PM
That's a great idea!

We'll do it ourselves! Anyone got a shovel?  ;D

Shovel?
ARE THERE ANY SCULPTORS OR STONECUTTERS????
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 22, 2006, 12:04:41 PM
Shovel?
ARE THERE ANY SCULPTORS OR STONECUTTERS????

I meant shovels because we have to dig up his corpse and ship it to Spain.  ;)
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: marmota-b on August 22, 2006, 12:05:17 PM
Wait... How to write four question marks without having them turned into one plus one grimace?

But I would leave him where he is... don't interfere his peace. Just build him big (or, better, BEAUTIFUL!) monument.
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 22, 2006, 12:07:13 PM
Wait... How to write four question marks without having them turned into one plus one grimace?

I'm so confused right now.   :-[   ;D
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: marmota-b on August 22, 2006, 12:09:32 PM
I'm so confused right now.   :-[   ;D

I wrote four question marks in the end of my question, but three of them were turned into a "smiley" (not smiling, so I called it "grimace".)
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 22, 2006, 12:10:29 PM
I wrote four question marks in the end of my question, but three of them were turned into a "smiley" (not smiling, so I called it "grimace".)

That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure.  ;)
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: Sanjuro on August 22, 2006, 02:09:32 PM
That's what I thought, but I wasn't sure.  ;)

I didn't meant to dig his grave ;D. But it'll be a great idea to have his monument in Sad Hill. Well, maybe Sergio's momument too. We can pilgrimage there. We go all together to pay homage. How does that sound?
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: The Firecracker on August 22, 2006, 02:11:12 PM
I didn't meant to dig his grave ;D. But it'll be a great idea to have his monument in Sad Hill. Well, maybe Sergio's momument too. We can pilgrimage there. We go all together to pay homage. How does that sound?


Sounds good. I'm thinking along the lines of a Statue of the three main characters with Leone.

If you have ever visited the vietname memorial in D.C. you will gte my meaning.
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: Sanjuro on August 22, 2006, 02:17:41 PM

Sounds good. I'm thinking along the lines of a Statue of the three main characters with Leone.

If you have ever visited the vietname memorial in D.C. you will gte my meaning.

Yes, I've been to that memorial in D.C. And that's a great idea too.
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: marmota-b on August 22, 2006, 11:52:35 PM
Yes, it would be great. I don't know that memorial, but somebody somewhere posted a link to one image with Sergio Leone, James Coburn and Rod Steiger... something like that would be nice. But I really don't remember, where the picture was...
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: Tim on August 23, 2006, 09:14:13 AM
Quote
But I really don't remember, where the picture was...

  Scroll down to Peacemaker's post about halfway down the page.  Enjoy.

  http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=3694.120
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: marmota-b on August 23, 2006, 10:55:10 AM
  Scroll down to Peacemaker's post about halfway down the page.  Enjoy.

  http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=3694.120

Thank you, that's what I had in mind.
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: The Firecracker on August 23, 2006, 11:00:33 AM
Yeah that is a fine model for a memorial but how to fit The three characters from GBU with the two protaganist from DYS along with all the characters from OUATITW without looking too over the top?
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: marmota-b on August 23, 2006, 11:12:48 AM
Yeah that is a fine model for a memorial but how to fit The three characters from GBU with the two protaganist from DYS along with all the characters from OUATITW without looking too over the top?

Let's build three different memorials... and don't tell me that it's not worth it! ;D
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: Sanjuro on August 23, 2006, 09:33:12 PM
Let's build three different memorials... and don't tell me that it's not worth it! ;D

Clint and Eli are still alive but we can have GBU memorials in the Sad Hill circle. Each stands where each character was standing in the duel scene of the film.  And Sergion's in the center of the circle. if it's physically possible----I just don't remember what Sad Hill looks like now.   
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 24, 2006, 09:18:23 AM
Clint and Eli are still alive but we can have GBU memorials in the Sad Hill circle. Each stands where each character was standing in the duel scene of the film.  And Sergion's in the center of the circle. if it's physically possible----I just don't remember what Sad Hill looks like now.   

Sad Hill is nothing now. There's a slight impression where the "circle of trust" use to be, but besides that there's nothing there anymore except for trees and grass.


Oh wait, I forgot to mention that there are a few bushes there too!  :D
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: marmota-b on August 24, 2006, 11:24:47 AM
So if it is possible, there will be four men made of... something, like bronze. ;)
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: dave jenkins on May 29, 2012, 05:14:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz8zICEafk8
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: Mr.Cho-Cho on May 03, 2020, 01:45:07 PM
I was just reading this article with Lee Van Cleef's son Alan from a few years ago:

http://thebadnet.blogspot.com/2016/05/his-dad-was-bad-2016-article.html

It's interesting that it states Clint was a mourner at Van Cleef's funeral in 1989. I'm quite surprised (and pleased) by this, as I didn't think they were that close, but perhaps he felt it would be good to go and pay his respects. I've never read this anywhere before, I wonder if Clint and Lee ever spoke to each other after The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: cigar joe on May 04, 2020, 02:58:30 AM
I was just reading this article with Lee Van Cleef's son Alan from a few years ago:

http://thebadnet.blogspot.com/2016/05/his-dad-was-bad-2016-article.html

It's interesting that it states Clint was a mourner at Van Cleef's funeral in 1989. I'm quite surprised (and pleased) by this, as I didn't think they were that close, but perhaps he felt it would be good to go and pay his respects. I've never read this anywhere before, I wonder if Clint and Lee ever spoke to each other after The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.

Very Cool.
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: titoli on July 20, 2021, 12:16:05 PM
Just found this piece of crap:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1WaOKlldIE
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF.
Post by: stanton on July 20, 2021, 02:05:54 PM
Fine song, great vid ...