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Title: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: The Smoker on January 02, 2005, 06:48:50 AM
Its the new year. More Spaghetti nuggets on the way...

Corbucci post civil war, gold romp to be released in 2005. Starring Joseph Cotton.

(http://userwww.aimnet.ne.jp/user/django-kill/P3/morricone/img/if_i_cruderi_7.jpg)

go down to H with the sidebar

http://www.anchorbayentertainment.com/future/

Hope this is a run of movies like the last Spaghetti Western Collection from 2002 (Companeros, Bullet For General, Texas Adios etc)  ;D


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on January 02, 2005, 07:43:33 AM
Yea but is it any good? I''ve had feast (great) and famine (crap) with Corbucci films, lol.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: spag fan on January 02, 2005, 07:49:06 AM
Yes, it is good. :)


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: The Smoker on January 02, 2005, 07:59:42 AM
Its a little over long in places. Some people would say a little boring. Its not for the short attention span. Cottons great.

Yea but is it any good? I''''ve had feast (great) and famine (crap) with Corbucci films, lol.

Its 1967.. More Mercenary than Django.. but without the laughs.  ;D


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on January 02, 2005, 09:39:40 AM
Well then something to look forward too.

Any of you seen "The Hills Run Red"?


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Marco Leone on June 01, 2005, 02:19:31 PM
Welcome back Board!

Here's my review of Corbucci's The Hellbenders -

"Joseph Cotton stars as Jonah, an ex-confederate trying to keep the dreams of the south alive following General Lee's surrender. He and his sons, known as the Hellbenders, massacre a troop to steal the money that they are transporting, with the aim of using this prize to restart the confederate cause. The stolen loot is stored in a coffin, disguised as the dead Captain Ambrose, and transported across the desert to Jonah's home town. They are accompanied by a drunken whore, under the guise of Ambrose's mourning widow, supposedly transporting the dead man to his place of rest. The search for the troop's murderers is in full flow, but Jonah is a man obsessed with the cause, and nothing or no-one is going to stop him achieving his objective.....

Hellbenders is an absolute classic of the Spaghetti Western genre, standing proudly side by side fellow Corbucci classics Django and the Great Silence. It continues in Corbucci's usual vein, firing bullets of unjust and unexpected twists at the screen, as the plot spirals towards its grim finale. All the while, the engaging trumpet of Morricone's score becomes more and more pleasing to the ear.

The slow but gripping pace of the movie reminds me of the Good, the Bad and the Ugly, in the way that its story is joined together by a number of sub plots. But here there is little humour. Aside from Ben (Mateos) and Claire (Bengell), the Hellbenders are an ugly and evil lot. Cotton is compelling as Jonah, his deadpan expression superbly capturing the characters single-minded vision. Pernice (perhaps most famous for having his ear cut off in Django) is truly deranged as the equally perverted and dim-witted Jeff. There are also great cameo appearances from euro-western favourites Al Mulock, Aldo Sambrell and Benito Stefanelli.

The film does tend to plod rather than gallop in a number of places (and this is in no way a bad thing!), and its story is quite different from the majority of the films in the Spaghetti Western genre. But it is a compelling view, with the scene at the Fort and the excellent finale worth the price of admission in itself".


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on June 01, 2005, 08:43:47 PM
On my list of to gets, thanks for the review.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: The Smoker on June 02, 2005, 03:31:28 AM
Thanks for the review Marco. Farely over looked spaghetti western. Only seen a natty VHS copy. Some say it has pacing problems. Proberly because most Spaghetti is quite punchy and quick outside GBU and this takes its time.

Anchorbay have this on there future DVD releases.. autumn time.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: spag fan on June 02, 2005, 06:33:21 AM
This is one of my favorites. I like it better than The Great Silence even! Also, probably my favorite Morricone score.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Marco Leone on June 02, 2005, 04:15:27 PM
It is a great score.  Funnily enough, I also think the plodding feel of the film is really endearing.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: grandpa_chum on August 16, 2005, 01:55:46 PM
I'm curious about the quality of the dvd... is it watchable and if so where did you get it... i only know of a region 1 dvd which i've never heard bad or good one way or the other on quality.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Marco Leone on August 17, 2005, 06:26:43 AM
Mine is an old old PAL video, but that new Fistful of DVDs site has the following info on The Hellbenders DVDs available - http://www.sundances.net/spaghetti/hellbenders.php


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: grandpa_chum on August 17, 2005, 08:15:02 PM
thanks alot.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: JamesK on December 06, 2005, 09:51:57 AM
Anchor Bay has this on their future DVD releases.. autumn time.

I see that they're still listing it as "late 2005," though it doesn't get much later than right now.  Has anyone heard anything new about the release?  Are we looking at pushback into 2006, as it seems?


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Leone Admirer on December 06, 2005, 10:30:38 AM
I think I am definatly going to have check this film out. As we haven't heard any news yet James, I fear its going to be a 2006 release.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: grandpa_chum on December 06, 2005, 12:33:04 PM
it's good to hear that it's at least got a prospective release.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Banjo on December 07, 2005, 07:05:08 AM
You can get a very cheap video,less than a dollar i paid, from US Amazon but you need to adjust the very bright
colour settings on your TV set!


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: indio on December 07, 2005, 10:51:28 AM
i got it on dvd in a civil war boxset i was disapointed with it.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Tim on December 08, 2005, 09:55:21 PM
  Indio, were you disappointed with the print or the movie itself?  I've seen the VHS copies at amazon and have always been tempted to pick it up.

  Now that a DVD release seems imminent I guess I'll wait it out.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: indio on December 09, 2005, 12:18:35 AM
i didn't like the film the print was ok.  had a lot of corbucci trade marks like coffins, heros getting messed up, grave yards etc...
but it didn't do it for me.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Banjo on December 09, 2005, 01:11:05 AM
Its pretty much a one of its kind sorta movie,the Morricone music is excellent and i may consider replacing my vhs with a widescreen DVD eventually.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Marco Leone on December 09, 2005, 03:03:21 PM
I'm tempted by the DVD.  It is one of my real favourites.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: mezcal on April 08, 2006, 09:50:19 PM
Just wanted to say that as a relative 'newbie', i watched the diamond box set version of hellbenders and thought it was an excellent film. the only other cobucci i've seen is (the also great) great silence.
I'd definately pick up a decent widescreen version if it ever comes out (anchor bay).
The story and Joseph cotton's acting were both excellent, and i'm looking forward to seeing more corbucci. Django is at my local dvd store but i'm hoping to see his big budget stuff (companeros ) first.
Not sure how typical hellbenders is of corbucci, but i always read how harsh his stuff is, mutilation/ degredation etc, so expect the worst, but i was truly swept up in the story and the class acting of JC. The other major plus was the excellent female role, which i've not seen outside of OUATIA, any other good female roles anywhere in SW's? (maybe a seperate thread)
Yes, i got the political/socialist money is bad theme but it wasn't overt, just a desperate man wishing to go to any lengths for his cause.
Best moment was when then coffin fell open....all for nothing
all hail corbucci!


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 08, 2006, 10:19:36 PM
No news on this gem yet? when is anchor bay releasing this puppy? My pan and scan version is watchable but I would love to have this in a crisp transfer with widescreen. extras dont hurt either as you know.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on April 09, 2006, 08:18:38 AM
Michele Mercier in Cemetery Without Crosses, isn't bad.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on November 23, 2006, 09:45:42 AM
SYNOPSIS: Ex-confederate Jonas and his three sons are trying to smuggle cash they stole from a union convoy back to the south in a coffin, so that they can fund a second revolution against the north.

(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/spaghettivd/HellbendersDVD.jpg)


First of all, I would like to thank The Firecracker for convincing me this movie was worth my money. Good call, if I didn't buy this movie in widescreen when I had the chance I would have been kicking myself all the time. The copy of the film I got from eBay is the same one you get in this (http://xploitedcinema.com/catalog/final-duel-spaghetti-western-dvds-p-3799.html) RIDICULOUSLY overpriced box set. The dvd itself is a Japanese Region 0 NTSC DVD, with some nice extras: a stills gallery, a trailer for the movie, and a trailer for The Great Silence.

When i sat down to this movie, I had no idea what to expect. The reviews I've read have been.... mixed... to say the least. Reviews ranged from saying it was one of the worst Corbucci westerns they'd seen to one of the best spaghettis ever made.

I fall into the latter category.

Easily on my top 5 of Spaghetti Westerns. Some people will think I'm crazy, ranking this higher than the Mercenary, but I definitely have less gripes with this movie than I do with The Mercenary. This film isn't nearly as sloppy as any of his other westerns I've seen (the count is now up to 5, and I'll be rectifying Minnesota Clay soon). Granted, this doesn't necessarily make the movie better, but it's a nice change of pace from Corbucci. Every shot in this film feels very deliberately placed. Also, all the Corbucci trademarks are there: coffins, cemeteries, madmen, etc. This is also a different spaghetti western in the sense that the focus is less on the action and the intensity of the film has more to do with the fact that they're on the verge of being caught at any moment.

Morricone also has a darn good score here, a lovely piece of trumpet music fits well into the film. It's kind of hard to describe that trumpet piece, it's kind of like a march... with a nice jazzy tweak. Um... just never mind. His other contributions to the score are great too.

Truly great. I might watch it again sometime this weekend, to see how i react to it the second go around, see if it like it better, or worse.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: pixelated on November 23, 2006, 09:54:44 AM
going to have to pick this one up soon. been wondering about it for a while. the screen shots i've seen look very interesting


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on November 23, 2006, 10:04:21 AM
going to have to pick this one up soon. been wondering about it for a while. the screen shots i've seen look very interesting

Indeed.

(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/spaghettivd/hb4.jpg)

(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/spaghettivd/hb3.jpg)

(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/spaghettivd/hb2.jpg)

(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/spaghettivd/hb1.jpg)


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Sanjuro on November 23, 2006, 10:26:10 AM
It's ironical. You've got a Japanese copy and I've got American. I'm going to see it after the thanksgiving food orgy ;D.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: pixelated on November 23, 2006, 12:31:44 PM
just put in my bid for this and the japanese release of "The Hills Run Red"

will post my thoughts after i receive them...although i'll have to wait for the auction to end cus i don't want to pay an extra $7  :P



Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Arizona Colt on November 23, 2006, 01:40:54 PM
Excellent Corbucci film. Probably his best. He displays a much more restrained hand here than usual not going overboard with action and violence when he has ample opportunity to do so. Not sure if this was Corbucci's decision or the producer Albert Band. Several good twists along the way one you may see coming but still good though, just don't expect another DJANGO style actioner.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Sanjuro on November 23, 2006, 05:26:05 PM
Darn it, I just found that my American DVD is pan and scan. I gotta get the Japanese DVD. 


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Poggle on November 23, 2006, 08:37:28 PM
To understand where most of you are coming from... What would be the two Corbucci's that you rate above & below this one?


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on November 23, 2006, 10:13:14 PM
Darn it, I just found that my American DVD is pan and scan. I gotta get the Japanese DVD. 

Right, you got it in that box set that has 9 spaghettis for ten dollars right? As far as I know, they're ALL pan-and-scan on that set. My dad bought it the other day, I'll be able to watch some of those spags when he gets back from DC.

@ Poggle: I've only seen 5 Corbucci's (going to be six as soon as I receive my copy of The Specialist [ahem FIRECRACKER]) and I would rank them like this:

1. The Great Silence
2. The Hellbenders
3. The Mercenary
4. Django
5. Companeros (don't let the fact that it's ranked last mislead you, it's a great movie)


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Sundance on November 24, 2006, 12:06:38 AM
The copy of the film I got from eBay is the same one you get in this (http://xploitedcinema.com/catalog/final-duel-spaghetti-western-dvds-p-3799.html) RIDICULOUSLY overpriced box set.

Come on, the set is almost $30 cheaper than what the regular price is for 3 Jap SW (and lots of other) DVDs bought separately so I wouldn't call it overpriced! ;) ;D


Then again sure it could be considered overpriced compared to non-japanese releases (but there even isn't any other release of Sugar Colt and the only other Hellbenders disc available is crap) or ebay copies, but the same way you could say even $5 for a disc is too much when it's also possible to have these for totally free without even trading with anyone. ;)


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Sanjuro on November 24, 2006, 02:04:39 AM
Right, you got it in that box set that has 9 spaghettis for ten dollars right? As far as I know, they're ALL pan-and-scan on that set.

Well, not all are pan and scan. I can't tell how many yet but the first movie is letter boxed. But I found one of them is in B &W. B & W spaghetti? I have never seen that.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Sanjuro on November 24, 2006, 02:10:35 AM
Come on, the set is almost $30 cheaper than what the regular price is for 3 Jap SW (and lots of other) DVDs bought separately so I wouldn't call it overpriced! ;) ;D


Excuse me?! I don't mean to be overly sensitive but I'd like to let you know that you have a Japanese-American member here on board!!! >:(


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Marco Leone on November 24, 2006, 06:40:15 AM
A personal favourite of mine!  I love the Hellbenders.  I scribed a review over at my Eurowestern page sometime back, as follows :

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/spaghettiwesterns


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Sundance on November 24, 2006, 08:53:22 AM
Excuse me?! I don't mean to be overly sensitive but I'd like to let you know that you have a Japanese-American member here on board!!! >:(

:-[

Well I'm truly sorry if that offended you as I didn't mean it to. It's just the way I have talked about the Japanese DVDs or some other stuff probably for years... can't really remember... but I'm sure you can find it from multiple posts of mine in here so don't go looking. ;)

Didn't even realize it could be thought to be a racial slur.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap

And I thought you were fully Japanese... :)


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on November 24, 2006, 09:31:46 AM
Come on, the set is almost $30 cheaper than what the regular price is for 3 Jap SW (and lots of other) DVDs bought separately so I wouldn't call it overpriced! ;) ;D




I have three Japanese Spag dvd's, and they all cost 20 dollars. Then again, that was offa eBay...  :-\


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Sanjuro on November 24, 2006, 09:50:48 AM
:-[

Well I'm truly sorry if that offended you as I didn't mean it to. It's just the way I have talked about the Japanese DVDs or some other stuff probably for years... can't really remember... but I'm sure you can find it from multiple posts of mine in here so don't go looking. ;)

Didn't even realize it could be thought to be a racial slur.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap

And I thought you were fully Japanese... :)

Well, I guess you were simply shortening the word Japanese and meant no harm. I don't take it seriously then. 

I was born and raised in Japan. I became a naturalized US citizen several years ago.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Poggle on November 24, 2006, 10:11:28 AM
Excuse me, but I'm sick of being called Poogle >:( Bastards...

Anyway, I'm desperate to see this one! Dammit!


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on November 24, 2006, 10:13:22 AM
Excuse me, but I'm sick of being called Poogle >:( Bastards...

Anyway, I'm desperate to see this one! Dammit!

Who called you Poogle?


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: pixelated on November 24, 2006, 03:25:47 PM
Indeed.

(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/spaghettivd/hb3.jpg)

i like that screenshot so much i used it for my avatar  8)


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on November 24, 2006, 05:26:08 PM
i like that screenshot so much i used it for my avatar  8)

Yes, that's a nice screen shot. Funny thing, I'd seen it SO many times before i saw the movie, but until I saw it I didn't realize there was a third man in that shot.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: pixelated on November 24, 2006, 05:31:05 PM
i actually like the part of the shot with the 3rd man in it, but its too dark to use as an avatar once resized..

that shot just captivates me.. cemetary, crosses, intense color


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on November 24, 2006, 05:41:26 PM
i actually like the part of the shot with the 3rd man in it, but its too dark to use as an avatar once resized..

that shot just captivates me.. cemetary, crosses, intense color

It is a great shot. Great movie.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on November 25, 2006, 09:34:38 AM
Well, I guess you were simply shortening the word Japanese and meant no harm. I don't take it seriously then. 

I was born and raised in Japan. I became a naturalized US citizen several years ago.
Hey, guys, if you want a handy abreviation for all things Japanese that is absolutely slur-proof, just use the initial "J" as a prefix. The Japanese use this themselves. For example, when speaking of the (awful) domestic pop music produced in Japan, the designation J-Pop is often used. A popluar radio station calls itself J-Wave. I myself refer to DVDs obtained from Japan as J-discs. You can have nanoseconds of fun with this........


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Sanjuro on November 25, 2006, 11:29:28 AM
Hey, guys, if you want a handy abreviation for all things Japanese that is absolutely slur-proof, just use the initial "J" as a prefix. The Japanese use this themselves. For example, when speaking of the (awful) domestic pop music produced in Japan, the designation J-Pop is often used. A popluar radio station calls itself J-Wave. I myself refer to DVDs obtained from Japan as J-discs. You can have nanoseconds of fun with this........

That's a good suggestion. Thank you, Dave. In fact, here in San Francisco, Japanese call Japantown J-Town. 


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Poggle on November 25, 2006, 09:26:08 PM
We could also just say Japanese.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on November 25, 2006, 11:03:32 PM
We could also just say Japanese.

Bah! Humbug!


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: pixelated on December 05, 2006, 05:54:28 PM
another Corbucci to add to my favorite spaghettis..

anyone else find Jonas slapping everyone humorous?  ;D


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on December 05, 2006, 07:03:13 PM
The copy of the film I got from eBay is the same one you get in this (http://xploitedcinema.com/catalog/final-duel-spaghetti-western-dvds-p-3799.html) RIDICULOUSLY overpriced box set.

It is not ridiculously overpriced you uncultured putz. The Japanese get large salaries and so this box set to them cost the same amount as any box set we have here.
And the set is an absolute Beauty! Well worth the 200 bucks!!!!


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on December 06, 2006, 06:04:57 PM
It is not ridiculously overpriced you uncultured putz. The Japanese get large salaries and so this box set to them cost the same amount as any box set we have here.
And the set is an absolute Beauty! Well worth the 200 bucks!!!!

I'm sorry I suck so bad. Suicide is in order.

What's Sugar Cult? It's the only one in the set I ain't heard of.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on December 07, 2006, 02:21:51 PM

What's Sugar Cult?

foolish mortal you spelled something incorrect AGAIN!

"Sugar Colt" is on my "to view" pile so I haven't seen it yet.
It's supposed to be very good from what I hear.

The trailer promises non-stop action with more then just a hint of comedy.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on December 13, 2006, 06:38:14 PM
from SWWB:

Doug McLean's 'forthcoming releases' post, dated 12 Dec., (various newsgroups) announced that THE HELLBENDERS from Anchor Bay is now set for release on March 13. I really hope that this is actually going to happen this time, but I'm not holding my breath.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: pixelated on December 13, 2006, 07:23:58 PM
from SWWB:

Doug McLean's 'forthcoming releases' post, dated 12 Dec., (various newsgroups) announced that THE HELLBENDERS from Anchor Bay is now set for release on March 13. I really hope that this is actually going to happen this time, but I'm not holding my breath.

any idea on special features, print quality, etc? just wondering if it will be any better than the japanese release


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on December 13, 2006, 10:15:53 PM
i just cut & pasted that....I don't know  ;)


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on December 17, 2006, 12:43:21 AM
from SWWB:

Doug McLean's 'forthcoming releases' post, dated 12 Dec., (various newsgroups) announced that THE HELLBENDERS from Anchor Bay is now set for release on March 13. I really hope that this is actually going to happen this time, but I'm not holding my breath.


Finally...


if it's true.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on January 10, 2007, 03:49:19 PM
Anchor Bay to release.  O0


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Banjo on January 10, 2007, 04:49:39 PM
Cheers for that CJ-hope to pick this up cheap from Amazon a few months down the line  ;)


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on January 10, 2007, 04:50:57 PM
Me too.

I want to see Hellbenders very badly. It looks like a really cool flick.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: titoli on January 10, 2007, 06:04:26 PM
Italian audio?


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: pixelated on January 10, 2007, 06:20:47 PM
yeah, wondering how this will stack up next to the Japan release


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on January 10, 2007, 08:07:58 PM
yeah, wondering how this will stack up next to the Japan release

We shall see. I'm perfectly happy with my Japanese copy.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on January 10, 2007, 08:10:27 PM
Me too.

I want to see Hellbenders very badly. It looks like a really cool flick.

It is. On my top 3 Corbucci spaghettis (even above The Mercenary and Vamos a Matar, Compaņeros)


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 11, 2007, 01:11:30 PM
Does the Japanese disk have special features along with nudie pics of Norma Bengell?


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on January 11, 2007, 02:55:26 PM
Does the Japanese disk have special features along with nudie pics of Norma Bengell?

No nudie pics...

but it has a poster gallery, a trailer for The Hellbenders, and another one for The Great Silence.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: T.H. on January 11, 2007, 09:20:03 PM
I didn't like 'Hellbenders' that much.  I thought the cinematography was horrible. Also, I didn't think the plot was all that good, and the locations were poor as well.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: grandpa_chum on January 12, 2007, 10:17:38 AM
poor locations, and bad cinematography... hard to swallow coming from corbucci, can't wait to see it for myself... I almost bought foreign dvds numerous times, now i guess i won't have to.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 12, 2007, 03:53:58 PM
No nudie pics...

but it has a poster gallery, a trailer for The Hellbenders, and another one for The Great Silence.

In that case the Anchor Bay one is better.

In my own mind...


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on January 14, 2007, 12:16:30 AM
Special features include Trailer and Corbucci Bio!


Not sure if the bio will be a crappy readable one (most likly) or a full blown doc.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Banjo on January 14, 2007, 10:51:38 AM
Not sure if the bio will be a crappy readable one.
I'd put money on it!
Hey no-ones mentioned the wondeful Morricone score ^-^
Totally unlike anything else he did.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on January 15, 2007, 02:15:52 PM
I'd put money on it!
Hey no-ones mentioned the wondeful Morricone score ^-^
Totally unlike anything else he did.

I totally agree. I didn't even know it was morricone first time i saw it, and I didn't think it was either. But it sure is great. Hard to describe, but it's much more jazzy than anything else I've heard of his. It's different than the music you usually hear in spaghetti westerns. What's the deal with his pseudonym Leo Nichols that he used on this, Navajo Joe, and various others?

EDIT: You can hear the theme song on this web-page courtesy of our very own Marco Leone.  :)

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/spaghettiwesterns (http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/spaghettiwesterns)


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Marco Leone on January 22, 2007, 07:19:07 AM
I cannot praise this film enough - one of my particular favourites - a MUST VIEW  O0


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Arizona Colt on March 09, 2007, 07:07:36 PM
HELLBENDERS is out now from Anchor Bay.

http://www.subversivecinema.com/

One of my favorite movies I saw at the drive-in, the female Conan directed by Matt Cimber (BUTTERFLY, CANDY TANGERINE MAN) and starring Laurene Landon (ALL THE MARBLES, MANIAC COP). A truly great Ennio Morricone score that according to the sight the first 5,000 orders get the soundtrack free. I bought it from Laserlight Digital a couple of years ago and its a wonderfully romantic and bombastic score. Clicking the link will play scenes from the film over one of the musical cues from the film. Morricone perfectly channeled Basil Poledouris for the War Theme and bits of the score appear recycled for Morricone's score for the lackluster RED SONJA.

This label also carries ERASERHEAD and FILMS OF DAVID LYNCH a collection of short films from the director.

For Banjo, this is the company that put out THE FREAKMAKER, the British horror flick starring Donald Pleasance, Tom Baker, Italian peplum actor Brad Harris, Michael "Dr. Loveless" Dunn and Julie Ege. Directed by award winning cinematographer Jack Cardiff (AFRICAN QUEEN)


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 11, 2007, 09:59:58 PM
I'm so excited to see Hellbenders!!


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on March 11, 2007, 10:08:07 PM
Yeah, from what I've heard Hellbenders is a great movie. One of the best in the genre.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 11, 2007, 10:09:48 PM
Yeah, from what I've heard Hellbenders is a great movie. One of the best in the genre.

Yeah hopefully I'll be able to find it Tuesday when it's released.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 13, 2007, 04:15:10 PM
Ok, so Hellbenders was released today. Who has seen it?! I want a review.  :)


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on March 13, 2007, 04:59:56 PM
http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=4488.0

I left my review of the film itself a long time ago when I got the japanese print.

It definitely makes my top ten non-Leone spaghettis.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 13, 2007, 11:36:18 PM
Thanks Silenzio!


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 16, 2007, 11:43:46 AM
I've finally seen HELLBENDERS!!!! Wow, what a spaghetti western. Fantastic direction by Sergio Corbucci, great plot, and a fantastic score by Ennio Morricone! This is definitely up there with some of the best of the spaghetti western genre.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: marmota-b on March 16, 2007, 01:25:09 PM
Silenzio, Sanjuro and I get this when we click your link: 
"The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you."

Me too.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 16, 2007, 01:49:34 PM
Hi guys, I'm just trying to track down this thread for you. 


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: marmota-b on March 16, 2007, 01:51:42 PM
Hi guys, I'm just trying to track down this thread for you.

Thank you. :)


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 16, 2007, 01:52:52 PM
Found it  :)

 http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1540.15


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: marmota-b on March 16, 2007, 02:05:04 PM
 O0


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Sanjuro on March 16, 2007, 02:10:39 PM
Thank you, LA, it works now. And thank you Jon and Marmota, for your help!


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on March 16, 2007, 04:36:20 PM
That link I gave didn't let me look at it either. ???

I must've accidentally taken something out of the URL so the link is non-existant...


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on March 16, 2007, 04:40:55 PM
Oh, and LA, that's not the thread that I posted my comment on.  The one I made was called "The Hellbenders (I Crudeli, 1967)."

The topic doesn't show up when I search for it though, there must've been some kind of major error and the thread no longer exists.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 16, 2007, 06:00:40 PM
Hi Silenzio, I did a search for Hellbenders and also looked through your previous posts and this is the only one I could find so it must have been deleted.  :-\


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Sanjuro on March 16, 2007, 06:03:56 PM
Auuuugggggg! Silenzio, you have to post your lost masterpiece again!


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 16, 2007, 07:00:56 PM
Ok I've just gone through all 101 pages of Silenzio's previous posts and the only Hellbenders review I could find is the one I've posted below. If thats not the one then it somehow must have got deleted.

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SYNOPSIS: Ex-confederate Jonas and his three sons are trying to smuggle cash they stole from a union convoy back to the south in a coffin, so that they can fund a second revolution against the north.




First of all, I would like to thank The Firecracker for convincing me this movie was worth my money. Good call, if I didn't buy this movie in widescreen when I had the chance I would have been kicking myself all the time. The copy of the film I got from eBay is the same one you get in this RIDICULOUSLY overpriced box set. The dvd itself is a Japanese Region 0 NTSC DVD, with some nice extras: a stills gallery, a trailer for the movie, and a trailer for The Great Silence.

When i sat down to this movie, I had no idea what to expect. The reviews I've read have been.... mixed... to say the least. Reviews ranged from saying it was one of the worst Corbucci westerns they'd seen to one of the best spaghettis ever made.

I fall into the latter category.

Easily on my top 5 of Spaghetti Westerns. Some people will think I'm crazy, ranking this higher than the Mercenary, but I definitely have less gripes with this movie than I do with The Mercenary. This film isn't nearly as sloppy as any of his other westerns I've seen (the count is now up to 5, and I'll be rectifying Minnesota Clay soon). Granted, this doesn't necessarily make the movie better, but it's a nice change of pace from Corbucci. Every shot in this film feels very deliberately placed. Also, all the Corbucci trademarks are there: coffins, cemeteries, madmen, etc. This is also a different spaghetti western in the sense that the focus is less on the action and the intensity of the film has more to do with the fact that they're on the verge of being caught at any moment.

Morricone also has a darn good score here, a lovely piece of trumpet music fits well into the film. It's kind of hard to describe that trumpet piece, it's kind of like a march... with a nice jazzy tweak. Um... just never mind. His other contributions to the score are great too.

Truly great. I might watch it again sometime this weekend, to see how i react to it the second go around, see if it like it better, or worse.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on March 16, 2007, 07:10:06 PM
Wow, jesus that's dedication.

That sure is.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Leone Admirer on March 16, 2007, 07:12:19 PM
Had nothing better to do tonight  ;D


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on March 16, 2007, 09:05:04 PM
I am impressed.  O0

Kind of anti-climactic, I bet, though. It wasn't much of a review anyway.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Sanjuro on March 16, 2007, 11:00:17 PM
Don't be so humble, Silezio. It's a good review. It was worth digging for.

Thank you, LA for all your trouble. You really went extra miles for us members. Domo arigato O0


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: marmota-b on March 17, 2007, 02:32:04 AM
Don't be so humble, Silezio. It's a good review. It was worth digging for.

Yes, it was. O0


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on March 17, 2007, 08:29:55 AM
It's definitely a good review! :)


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on April 01, 2007, 08:06:30 AM
I finally watched "The Hellbenders" on Saturday, got the Anchor Bay DVD off Amazon.com and sat down and watched this Joseph Cotton starring flick with Norma Bengell, Julian Mateos & Gino Pernice. It also has great cameos by Benito Steffenelli, Aldo Sambrel, and Al Mulock.

This was a film that looked and felt very much like an American Western, which I wasn't quite expecting (though I shouldn't say that since I've come to expect the unexpedted from Corbucci) though it did have SW twists.  Basically it starts with a Union Cavalry detachement is escorting a million dollars in old currency designated to be destroyed (burned).

Joseph Cotton plays the part of an ex Confederate officer determined to take the money and make a new start, resurrecting the Confederacy. This is one of Hollywood's staple post Civil War "characters" Edmund O'Brien turn as one in Rio Concho's come's to mind as another. But Cotton is not restricted to just a few scenes at the climax but is present as a somewhat sincerely decicated  looney throughout the whole film. Great stuff!

So the story concerns the stealing of the money and the treck to get it to safety through a countryside swarming with soldiers and civilian posses all looking for the perpetrators of the hiest.

This film is pretty much devoid of SW style standoff gunfights and derives most of its tension from the various encounters and twists in the plot. It does have some of the familiar SW symbology though. All this is very well done. The actors that play Cotton's sons could have used a bit more fleshing out but thats a minor quibble.

However its supposed to be just after the end of the Civil War and here my "curse of Leone" rears its head.

Now I don't know about you but ever since I've seen GBU and the rest of Leone's work I've been effected by the "curse" which is Leone emphasized the weaponry and ever since I've paid attention to this particular aspect of all Westerns, both AW's and SW's and even some of the slassic AW's ie. "Red River" fall prey to it. I guess pre Leone nobody really cared a Western was a Western and not taken seriously.

In Il Crudeli the ex Southerners of the "Hellbenders" Regiment are equiped with Winchesters. Ok in 1866 there were "Yellow Boy" Winchesters so you can over look this, but the six guns they carry are Colt 1873 Peacemakers, a big anachronisim, that could and should have been corrected, and is not easy to overlook, if you are familiar with the weaponry. Other that this,  this film is entertaining but it could have been great. Morricone's score is average, nothing that memorable, not bad but not outstanding either.

Al Mulock has the biggest part I've ever seen and he does an excellent job, and its worth a look for this alone.

The Anchor Bay DVD has a trailer and a printed bio for Corbucci, pretty sparce if you ask me. But I'm glad to have this film.

Here is a film that could be remade with a slightly bigger budget and a better attention to accuracy, its a great story and I can see a modern version of this somewhere down the line if Westerns come into vogue again.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on April 01, 2007, 02:15:58 PM
Well I guess we should start an official The Hellbenders thread and paste all the others into it.

Here goes:

I finally watched "The Hellbenders" on Saturday, got the Anchor Bay DVD off Amazon.com and sat down and watched this Joseph Cotton starring flick with Norma Bengell, Julian Mateos & Gino Pernice. It also has great cameos by Benito Steffenelli, Aldo Sambrel, and Al Mulock.

This was a film that looked and felt very much like an American Western, which I wasn't quite expecting (though I shouldn't say that since I've come to expect the unexpedted from Corbucci) though it did have SW twists.  Basically it starts with a Union Cavalry detachement that is escorting a million dollars in old currency designated to be destroyed (ie., burned). We see this detachment struggling to cross a river and there are some great action shots of this segment alone.

Joseph Cotton plays the part of an ex Confederate officer determined to take the money and make a new start, resurrecting the Confederacy. This is one of Hollywood's and 50's TV Westerns staple post Civil War "characters". You've seen variations of this depiction from the officer that goads the posse into stringing up Anthony Quinn and his compadres in "The Ox Bow Incident" to Edmund O'Brien's turn as one in living in a surreal southern mansion in "Rio Conchos" starring Richard Boone these come to mind. But Cotton is not restricted to just a few scenes at the climax but is present as a somewhat sincerely dedicated semi religious looney throughout the whole film. Great stuff!

So the story concerns the stealing of the money and the treck to get it to safety through a countryside swarming with soldiers and civilian posses all looking for the perpetrators of the hiest.

This film is pretty much devoid of any SW style standoff gunfights and derives most of its tension from the various encounters and twists in the plot. It does have some of the familiar SW symbology though. All this is very well done. The actors that play Cotton's sons could have used a bit more fleshing out but thats a minor quibble. You don't quite react to them as well as you might have.

It dose have some faults however, its supposed to be just after the end of the Civil War and here my "curse of Leone" rears its head.

Now I don't know about you but ever since I've seen GBU and the rest of Leone's work I've been effected by the "curse" which is Leone emphasized the weaponry and ever since I've paid attention to this particular aspect of all Westerns, both AW's and SW's and even some of the classic AW's ie. "Red River" fall prey to it. I guess pre Leone nobody really cared a Western was a Western and not taken seriously.

In Il Crudeli the ex Southerners of the "Hellbenders" Regiment are equiped with Winchesters. Ok in 1866 there were "Yellow Boy" Winchesters so you can over look this, but the six guns they carry are Colt 1873 Peacemakers, a big anachronisim, that could and should have been corrected, and is not easy to overlook, if you are familiar with the weaponry. Other that this,  this film is entertaining but it could have been great. Morricone's score is average, nothing that memorable, not bad but not outstanding either.

Al Mulock has the biggest part I've ever seen and he does an excellent job, and its worth a look for this alone. He actually does a great job, check it out. Aldo Sambrel also makes an apperance, as does Steffenelli but his is brief.

The Anchor Bay DVD has just a trailer and a printed bio for Corbucci, pretty sparce if you ask me. But I'm glad to have this film.

Here is a film that could be remade with a slightly bigger budget more Western landscapes and a better attention to accuracy, its a great story won't need a lot of sets, and I can see a modern version of this somewhere down the line if Westerns come into vogue again.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 01, 2007, 07:59:06 PM
Glad you enjoyed it Joe!

It's a nice under-appreciated gem And clocking at 90 minutes, it's the perfect little film to watch any time you want.

The characters are just so nasty you wonder why you find yourself scared shitless every time they are stopped by an platoon of yankee soldiers or vigilantes. You don't want them to get caught even though their ruthless enough to kill a defenseless blind man.


I believe Mulock's role is bigger in "Day of Anger".


I'm surprised you didn't mention the bogus looking indians (Italians with wigs) in your review ;D


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on April 01, 2007, 09:55:14 PM
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I'm surprised you didn't mention the bogus looking indians (Italians with wigs) in your review

They were in such a small segment and I didn't want to spoil anything.

I kept thinking how it could make a good candidate for a remake  O0


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Sonny on April 01, 2007, 11:17:29 PM

I kept thinking how it could make a good candidate for a remake  O0

That might be a possibility...

then again, who'd have the honor?

OK... I watched this film for the first time last night and I must say it's quite delightful to watch it with very few prior insight on its plot so that the unexpected moments can be enjoyed better. So if you have yet to see Hellbenders, i'd advise you to watch it first and THEN read these posts, perhaps to share insight or relate to them.

All you need to know is that the film is quite enjoyable and deserves (from anyone) at least a 4/5

..SPOILERS BELOW...(Don't say I didn't warn you)

Now, as far as action, it has several suspensful moments, though not too many gun fights.  There's no "big showdown", mainly because the biggest disputes throughout the film are the family feuds.  In fact, it's amazing how the confederates' plan is never unviled.  The authorities never find out about the money in the coffin, and all their trouble ended up being over nothing.  Its ending is quite cruel, but somewhat expected once the grand discovery was made that the men had dug up the wrong coffin (which was somewhat expected).  That's when the Hellbenders' plan went to hell and the cowardous father of the gang decided to commit suicide.

As mentioned above in FC's post, there really is no defined villian throughout the story.  Most of the characters had some sort of malignant purpose.  After the plan began to fall apart, however, the second widow (Claire) and Ben fell in love and somewhat helped to soothe the atmosphere by looking out for each other.

And yes, those Indian costumes were rather BAD... just a tanned Italian with a wig as the chief... no close-ups of the rest of them. And their appearance was quite brief, making it seem as though they'd just been brought in at the last minute to replace the otherwise complicated twists of the plot, since there needed to be a way to get rid of the siblings. 

The movie definitely deserves better praise.  It's quite enjoyable and just the right length.

No SW fan should be left out of seeing it... O0




Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on April 02, 2007, 07:26:22 AM
Glad you enjoyed it Joe!

It's a nice under-appreciated gem And clocking at 90 minutes, it's the perfect little film to watch any time you want.





I agree, it's one of my most oft-watched Spaghettis.




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I believe Mulock's role is bigger in "Day of Anger".


I think it's about the same.  I think Mulock did SUCH a great job with these parts in those films.  It's too bad... he could've made some more great contributions to the genre.  Why, Al? Why'd you do it?


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: titoli on April 02, 2007, 08:09:33 AM
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Morricone's score is average, nothing that memorable, not bad but not outstanding either.

Haven't heard the entire score, or seen the film either (i've got a copy of the former english vhs release so I postponed watching it) but the main theme is outstanding. BTW, It was used in the late '60's for a commercial here in Italy, maybe biscuits.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on April 02, 2007, 09:40:38 AM
The Anchor Bay print is not pristine and its a bit dark in spotsm but its woth it.

I like the VHS cover art which is sort of not related to the film the Anchor Bay cover is more of a Newspaper add cover below:

(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/9792/thdvdvs7.jpg)

Here is the old VHS cover:

(http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4260/thvhsgt3.jpg)


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 02, 2007, 09:48:55 AM
The Anchor Bay print is not pristine and its a bit dark in spotsm but its woth it.




Good. I'll be sticking with my Japanese disc then.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on April 02, 2007, 10:46:31 AM
Does the J-disc have both English and Italian dubs? Apparently the R1 has English only...


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 02, 2007, 12:25:10 PM
Does the J-disc have both English and Italian dubs? Apparently the R1 has English only...


I thought you didn't like italian westerns Dave?


When I arrive at my house later tonight I will check for you.

To my knowledge, it's only english with optional Japanese subtitles.

But it has more special features than the AB disc.

Three Gemma western trailers including the hellbenders trailer.



Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on April 02, 2007, 04:32:40 PM
The J-Disc has English and Italian audio, but only Japanese subs.

I agree, the main theme of this film is outstanding.  I haven't heard any other spaghetti theme song like it.


FC says the J-Disc has three Giuliano Gemma trailers? ???   I can only remember it having three trailers: The Great Silence, The Hellbenders, and some other one (Any Gun Can Play, maybe?).  I'm gonna check right now.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on April 02, 2007, 04:45:13 PM
Ok, I just checked:

The J-Disc has three special features.  It has a pretty darn good poster / still gallery, a trailer for The Hellbenders, and a trailer for The Great Silence.



And I also noticed something very strange about The Great Silence trailer. It seems like some of the scenes are different, because the dialogue is different.  Or maybe they just dubbed in different dialogue.

**SPOILERS FOR THE GREAT SILENCE**

For instance, when the old woman is begging Silence to avenge her son's death, she says "Please, stranger! Do what I implore of you! Maybe then other's can avoid a death like my son's!"

I think they dubbed in different dialogue here because her back is to the camera when she says it, making it easily possible to dub it a different speech.  You see, in the actual film that shot is just part of an extremely long speech that goes some thing like, "You're the one who fights against injustice, and in the innocent! My son was innocent two!  You see, two bounty killers shot him down.  Don't say no, and do what I implore of you, all I have to offer for the death of that man is my son's horse!" (Note, I didn't know the exact dialogue, so the speech in the actual film might be quite different than this, but this is all that i can remember it being).


And also, when Frank Wolff finds out Silence is mute in the trailer he says, "Well, I'll be.  You could've told me he was a mute." then he turns to the lady and says, "Well, ma'am, I came here on account of an investigation I'm conducting.  Well... Do you know who the killer is?"  This line doesn't actually even past the sniff test of actually being in the film, because at this point Frank Wolff isn't coming around to ask the Lady about who killed her husband (Loco killed her husband for the bounty, everybody knows it) he wants to know if its true that she buried the body, thus making it a harder process for Loco to claim the bounty.

But I distinctly remember that Frank Wolff says something completely different at this part.  He says one of my favorite lines in the film to silence, "Well you could've at least told me."  And then he pauses and says,  "or at least... y'know, let me know, y'know what I mean."  Then he continues to question that one lady, "Well, I came on account of an investigation... They say that you... buried your husband... I mean... After he got himself shot by a bounty hunter, y'know what i mean?"   Also, in this scene the camera angle shifts many times, whereas in the trailer it stays on one angle the whole time.



Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 02, 2007, 07:25:51 PM


FC says the J-Disc has three Giuliano Gemma trailers? ???   I can only remember it having three trailers: The Great Silence, The Hellbenders, and some other one (Any Gun Can Play, maybe?).  I'm gonna check right now.

your right. I was confusing myself with my "One after another" (Stars Richard Harrison. Saw it a few nights ago. Good stuff! O0) Japanese disc.



Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: dave jenkins on April 03, 2007, 09:45:50 AM

I thought you didn't like italian westerns Dave?

True, but those Morricone soundtracks are always worth having. Thanks for the info (you too, Silenzio).


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 03, 2007, 01:38:33 PM
Ok, I just checked:

The J-Disc has three special features.  It has a pretty darn good poster / still gallery, a trailer for The Hellbenders, and a trailer for The Great Silence.



And I also noticed something very strange about The Great Silence trailer. It seems like some of the scenes are different, because the dialogue is different.  Or maybe they just dubbed in different dialogue.

**SPOILERS FOR THE GREAT SILENCE**

For instance, when the old woman is begging Silence to avenge her son's death, she says "Please, stranger! Do what I implore of you! Maybe then other's can avoid a death like my son's!"

I think they dubbed in different dialogue here because her back is to the camera when she says it, making it easily possible to dub it a different speech.  You see, in the actual film that shot is just part of an extremely long speech that goes some thing like, "You're the one who fights against injustice, and in the innocent! My son was innocent two!  You see, two bounty killers shot him down.  Don't say no, and do what I implore of you, all I have to offer for the death of that man is my son's horse!" (Note, I didn't know the exact dialogue, so the speech in the actual film might be quite different than this, but this is all that i can remember it being).


And also, when Frank Wolff finds out Silence is mute in the trailer he says, "Well, I'll be.  You could've told me he was a mute." then he turns to the lady and says, "Well, ma'am, I came here on account of an investigation I'm conducting.  Well... Do you know who the killer is?"  This line doesn't actually even past the sniff test of actually being in the film, because at this point Frank Wolff isn't coming around to ask the Lady about who killed her husband (Loco killed her husband for the bounty, everybody knows it) he wants to know if its true that she buried the body, thus making it a harder process for Loco to claim the bounty.

But I distinctly remember that Frank Wolff says something completely different at this part.  He says one of my favorite lines in the film to silence, "Well you could've at least told me."  And then he pauses and says,  "or at least... y'know, let me know, y'know what I mean."  Then he continues to question that one lady, "Well, I came on account of an investigation... They say that you... buried your husband... I mean... After he got himself shot by a bounty hunter, y'know what i mean?"   Also, in this scene the camera angle shifts many times, whereas in the trailer it stays on one angle the whole time.



I've seen that a lot in other trailers for other movies, too. Usually, these snippets are alternate takes used for promotional purposes. I've seen it in many older films but I can't recall a newer production where the trailer had something the movie didn't.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: cigar joe on April 12, 2007, 10:26:44 AM
Hey just looked at the start of this thread and at the Pic of I Crudeli and noticed there is a scene where Kitty is shooting a pistol, that is not on the Anchor Bay release. Any body know if its a delete or a promo pic?


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 12, 2007, 10:29:37 AM
It's a promo pic. Saw it on a lobby card.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Sonny on April 19, 2007, 11:26:08 PM
It's a promo pic. Saw it on a lobby card.

Heey... I would've liked to see that in the movie.  Those bastards...getting people excited over nothing. Good thing I wasn't the one who saw the promo pic (or maybe I did but just didn't pay attention to it).


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Banjo on May 26, 2007, 12:47:51 PM
Arizona Colts review:-

HELLBENDERS, THE 1966-Excellent Sergio Corbucci Italo western that is very different from his usual style of no holds barred action and frequent bursts of violence. Here, he opts for a more subdued, suspenseful approach that is not without its fair share of violence. Joseph Cotten and his sons have stolen a cache of Union gold that they are carrying inside a coffin. The film deals with their struggle to avoid capture and get away by use of stealth and trickery. Of course, greed and deceit rear their ugly heads leading to a shocker conclusion and a downbeat ending. Corbucci keeps the twists coming and builds the suspense nicely. Highly recommended on the basis that Corbucci went for a different approach and succeeds admirably.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Rojo Ramone on July 22, 2007, 02:01:54 PM
I watched my new AB DVD last night of THE HELLBENDERS and i loved it.
For me, Corbucci has become the second best SW filmaker.
Morricone's score was brilliant.
I didn't find the movie slow at all.
However I still prefer DJANGO and THE GREAT SILENCE more.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Silenzio on July 22, 2007, 06:55:07 PM
I watched my new AB DVD last night of THE HELLBENDERS and i loved it.
For me, Corbucci has become the second best SW filmaker.
Morricone's score was brilliant.
I didn't find the movie slow at all.
However I still prefer DJANGO and THE GREAT SILENCE more.

I agree with every single sentence.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 23, 2007, 05:39:38 PM
I agree. THE HELLBENDERS is a great spaghetti western.


Title: Re: Hellbenders aka I crudeli (1967)
Post by: titoli on September 10, 2013, 06:12:54 PM
I agree with CJ's review. 8\10
Some random observations. Sambrell's teeth shown close up: perfect. Leone would never have put up with them.
Bengell is a Jeanne Moreau's clone, only better looking (not that it takes much).
The Indians are not italian but spanish, I don't think they are so badly shown for humbugs.
Cotten doesn't commit suicide, I think.
Nunzio Rotondo (whom I met personally a few years ago) subs for Lacerenza: I wonder if it was because Lacerenza was unavailable or it was a Maestro's decision.