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Films of Sergio Leone => The Colossus of Rhodes => Topic started by: rrosefelt on February 18, 2003, 12:58:34 AM



Title: The Old General thread!
Post by: rrosefelt on February 18, 2003, 12:58:34 AM
Leone's first film is available in widescreen on DVD and can be found from various websites like Luminous Video  http://www.lfvw.com/colossus_dvd.html.   The only thing is, it's not subtitled and you'd need an all-systems DVD player to watch it.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Halis on March 05, 2003, 06:20:47 AM
No, I would not recommend you getting that one. It's the French version and it's a bit short, even with the alternative Italian versions of two particular scenes.

You should be getting the Italian DVD released by CVC, DS12S335. It's 2.35:1 anamorphic, region2, but with Italian dialogue only. It runs at least ten minutes longer.

You'll have to get it from Italy, though, and most DVD sellers have it. Try www.dvd.it


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Il Buono on March 05, 2003, 10:49:41 AM
I was wondering if this is also such a great film Leone made?


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Halis on March 06, 2003, 06:14:42 AM
I think it would all depend on whether or not you liked Sword and Sandal epics. It is a great movie within the genre, an absolutely massive and spectacular work with lots of recogniseable Leone touches.
But if you dislike Sword and Sandal, you'll not necessarily warm to this one, no matter how brilliant it is.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Il Buono on March 06, 2003, 04:42:34 PM
Don't worry, Sword and Sandal Epics rock... 8)


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Halis on March 07, 2003, 04:44:47 PM
Then you'll love it, you'll adore it, you'll worship it, and your life wil be changed forever.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Il Buono on March 08, 2003, 09:12:04 AM
Wow, sounds kind of heavy.  I can't imagine it to be better than Ben-Hur...?!


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Halis on March 08, 2003, 04:03:15 PM
Well ultimately, you may think it isn't.

I wasn't a huge fan of BEN-HUR first time around, but even less-so now.
I felt that Wyler was intimidated by the Camera 65 process and too scared to cut. Consequently scenes are often played out as wide shots, with the camera staying on one side of the action like viewing a stage play.
There are some close-ups, but not many, and the only part of the film that feels like a film is the Chariot race which Wyler did not direct.
I find the whole film overlong and, again apart from the chariot race, monumentally dull and boring.

COLOSSUS, on the other hand, is vibrant and full of energy, with lots of cool camerawork and nifty editing.
Just compare the dull staging of the BEN-HUR banquet at Arrius' mansion with the fluidity of the banquet in COLOSSUS where the assassin is forced to drink his own poison.
Sure the acting of minor characters in Leone films can always be a bit embarassing, but there's no questioning the superiority of his visual style.

That's my opinion - you may disagree.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Il Buono on March 09, 2003, 08:26:30 AM
I know what you mean, the film is in modern standard a bit slow and maybe a bit dated.  But anyway, I still like it, especially the boat capturing scene and the chariot race...  It's also a film with a great story I think, how the story is woven through the history of JC...  But I can understand if people don't like it.  But I'll certainly check 'the Colossus' out (if I ever find it...).


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The clint on October 07, 2003, 08:19:14 AM
Maltin's movie guide complains of bad dubbing... But that is the case with A Fistful of Dollars as well. I can't imagine how it could better Ben-Hur... but life is full of surprises, a low budget Italian sword and sandal film might as well be better than a huge, expensive american made epic running 3 1/2 hours with an all-star cast and filmed in 70 mm ultra wide 2.76:1 ratio. But wasn't Leone in some part related to Ben-Hur (Second unit director if I recollect correctly)?


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Jon on October 16, 2003, 01:45:34 AM
I have a video copy of this taped from TV ages ago.I would not say it is a classic like Ben Hur[which despite it's faults is I think still a classic movie]and neither is it as good as Leone's other films,I think it's obvious that Leone was not particularly interested in the sword/sandal or 'peplum' genre but he had to make one because that was the trend at the time in Italy.Nevertheless,still check it out,it is great fun.There are some great action scenes,esp a fight on the actual colossus,and you can see Leone starting to experiment a bit with stylev although he was probasbly constrained by the ,well-established,genre.With te western ,not that many had been made in Italy and Leone felt he did not have to conform to a particular style.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: DJIMBO on February 26, 2004, 07:59:09 AM
Just wondered whether anyone was interested in leones directorial debut...the colossus of rhodes.
It was shown on BBC Two (UK) today and i wondered whether anyone else had any kind of interest in his pre-spaghetti days. I have yet to see it so i cant pass any judgement!! 8)


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: redyred on February 26, 2004, 08:54:28 AM
just saw it. It was pretty good. You wouldn't know it was a Leone - he doesn't seem to have developed his style yet at that point, and of course the script and setting is very different to his westerns anyway. But still, it was an above average sword-and-sandle, slave revolt flick.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Smoker on February 26, 2004, 02:48:04 PM
Yeah :D .set my video recorder for 1:00 - 3:00 before going to work this morning.
Hope to watch it this weekend. Took a little look. Its in widescreen, not a bad MGM print either.

(http://www.musicman.com/15/col.gif)

Its real funny thing i actually remember watchin a movie when i was real young with a gigantic statue in it.
(Not Jason and the Argonauts) and a slave revolt.
At my grandparents house one lazy winter sunday afternoon.
It only really dawned on me while reading about Leone's first proper director debut in Frayling's Book.

Maybe it was my first Leone film experience.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: grandpa_chum on February 26, 2004, 07:18:52 PM
he directed the collosus of rhodes? i thought he just codirected and only did some select scenes... i was  only aware of the big 6... not this one... did he really have that big a role in the making of this film? if so i gotta see it


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: redyred on February 27, 2004, 05:21:04 AM
All sources seem to say this was his debut as sole director. Like I said before, it's not instantly recognisable as Leone-esque like all his other films, but it IS very good. As ancient-times slave revolt films go, I actually preferred it to Spartacus. The special effects were pretty amazing too, considering this was 1961.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: DJIMBO on February 28, 2004, 04:16:09 AM
he was the sole director of colossus of rhodes. according to frayling's book he was the co-director of the last days of pompeii (previously directed by mario bonnard who then fell ill i think) and then directed some scenes of sodom and gomorrah (which had been directed by robert aldrich) though his name isnt credited for some reason. my advice is check out www.allmovie.com and find the sergio leone page. its a pretty thorough film website. :D


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Smoker on February 28, 2004, 05:58:36 AM
There were about dozen Sword n Sandal Films he was Assistent Director on. One with Robert Wise.
Including Last Days of Pompeii, he took over the film when Mario Bonnard fell ill. who was a close friend of Sergio's father, And one of many mentors to Leone


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: grandpa_chum on February 28, 2004, 09:52:30 AM
yeah, i looked it up and my sources say you guys are right... i must have looked at other "sword and sandal" movies that he had been assistant director or whatever.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: cigar joe on February 28, 2004, 02:47:27 PM
I think Sergio was on the second unit of Ben Hur also he filmed the the famous chariot race sequence with Yakima Kanute.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: shorty larsen on February 29, 2004, 02:49:13 AM
According to IMDB:


Second Unit Director or Assistant Director - filmography
(1970s) (1960s) (1950s) (1940s)

Mio nome è Nessuno, Il (1973) (second unit director) (uncredited)
... aka Lonesome Gun (1974) (USA)
... aka Mein Name ist Nobody (1973) (West Germany)
... aka Mon nom est personne (1973) (France)
... aka My Name Is Nobody (1974) (USA)


Sodom and Gomorrah (1962) (second unit director) (uncredited)
... aka Last Days of Sodom and Gomorrah, The (1963) (USA)
... aka Sodoma e Gomorra (1962) (Italy)
... aka Sodome et Gomorrhe (1962) (France)


Ben-Hur (1959) (second unit director) (uncredited)
... aka Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ (1959) (USA: alternative title)
Ultimi giorni di Pompei, Gli (1959) (assistant director)
... aka Últimos días de Pompeya, Los (1960) (Spain)
... aka Last Days of Pompeii, The (1960) (USA)
... aka Letzten Tage von Pompeji, Die (1959) (West Germany)
Figlio del corsaro rosso, Il (1959) (assistant director)
... aka Son of the Red Corsair (1963) (USA)
... aka Son of the Red Pirate, The (1963) (USA)
Nun's Story, The (1959) (assistant director) (uncredited)
Quai des illusions (1959) (assistant director)
... aka Legge mi incolpa, La (1959) (Italy)
Afrodite, dea dell'amore (1958) (assistant director)
... aka Aphrodite, Goddess of Love (1958) (USA)
... aka Slave Women of Corinth (1958)
Maestro, El (1957) (assistant director)
... aka Maestro, Il (1958) (Italy)
... aka Teacher and the Miracle, The (1961) (USA)
Mi permette, babbo! (1956) (assistant director)
... aka Allow me, Daddy! (1956)
Helen of Troy (1956) (second unit director)
... aka Elena di Troia (1956) (Italy)
Ladra, La (1955) (assistant director)
... aka Anges aux mains noires, Les (1955) (France)
Hanno rubato un tram (1954) (assistant director)
Questa è la vita (1954) (assistant director)
... aka Of Life and Love (1954) (International: English title: informal literal title)
Tradita (1954) (assistant director)
... aka Concert of Intrigue (1954) (USA)
... aka Night of Love (1954) (USA)
Frine, cortigiana d'Oriente (1953) (assistant director)
Tratta delle bianche, La (1953) (assistant director)
... aka Girls Marked Danger (1954) (USA)
... aka Girls Marked for Danger (1954) (USA: first title)
... aka Ship of Condemned Women (1954) (USA)
... aka White Slave Trade, The (1953)
Uomo, la bestia e la virtù, L' (1953) (assistant director)
... aka Man Beast and Virtue (1953)
Folle di Marechiaro, Il (1952) (assistant director) (uncredited)
Jolanda la figlia del corsaro nero (1952) (assistant director)
... aka Jolanda, the Daughter of the Black Corsair (1952) (International: English title)
Tre corsari, I (1952) (assistant director)
... aka Three Corsairs (1952) (International: English title: literal title)
Quo Vadis? (1951) (second unit director)
Brigante Musolino, Il (1950) (assistant director) (uncredited)
... aka Outlaw Girl (1955) (USA)
Voto, Il (1950) (assistant director) (uncredited)
Taxi di notte (1950) (assistant director) (uncredited)
... aka Singing Taxi Driver (1950)


Forza del destino, La (1949) (assistant director) (uncredited)
... aka Force of Destiny, The (1949)
Trovatore, Il (1949) (assistant director) (uncredited)
Fabiola (1949) (assistant director) (uncredited)
... aka Fabiola (1949) (USA)
Leggenda di Faust, La (1948) (assistant director) (uncredited)
... aka Faust and the Devil (1950) (USA)
... aka Strange Life of Doctor Faust, The (1948)
Ladri di biciclette (1948) (assistant director) (uncredited)
... aka Bicycle Thief, The (1949) (USA)
... aka Bicycle Thieves (1948) (UK)
Rigoletto (1946) (assistant director) (uncredited)
 
 


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Smoker on March 01, 2004, 01:12:47 PM
Managed to watch it last night…
Visually It has more Leone style in it than ive read in most sources. Mostly the shots around the Colossus statue have very dynamic camera work, elevated shots between the legs & slow camera pans of the bay around the Greek Monument.
But the main structure of the film is standard Sword & Sandal fair. Place camera - shoot action.
It has Leone’s humour.. A Sleeping Senator (with cotton wool in his ears trying to block out a thunder storm) sleeps through a whole fist fight with Dario in adjacent room, until one of the rebels is thrown onto a large gong next to his bed.

Interesting shot at the end of the movie during the earthquake. Shot a disserted Rhodes city street uncannily looks like a dusty frontier we usually connect Leone with.  

(http://www.devildead.com/colossederhodes/colossederhodes04.jpg)(http://www.devildead.com/colossederhodes/colossederhodes06.jpg)
(http://www.devildead.com/colossederhodes/colossederhodes05.jpg)(http://www.devildead.com/colossederhodes/colossederhodes08.jpg)

I went back and read a little in Something to do with Death last night on Colossus. Leone was quoted  'if i was given a bit more time it would of made a more personal film. But essentially I did it for the money.'

Also its a great movie in my opinion. Wonderful music by Angelo Francesco Lavagnino (did Last Days of Pompeii)

P.S. I did see this movie when I was about 10 years old.
……Wow first Leone movie I ever saw.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: DJIMBO on March 08, 2004, 06:29:58 AM
strange as it may seem, having raised the topic...i am still yet to see colossus of rhodes. i am at university and got my bro to tape so ive got to wait until friday 19th march to see it

damnation!!! :-\


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: DJIMBO on March 18, 2004, 10:12:37 AM
Finally saw colossus of rhodes today.
No real leone-ist style apparent apart from in the stand-off over the food poison!! (yes food poison) and the old man's earmuffs during the fight. the horse scenes are reminiscent of his westerns and the female characters remind me of consuela baxter from fistful of dollars for some reason. Bit of a political message apparent.
But generally very sword-and-sandal esque and sub-standard of a ben hur, quo vadis or spartacus.

Not a bad film but very average and nowhere near as good as anything he did afterwards.

But at least i can say ive seen every officially leone-directed film now!


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Nobody on May 13, 2004, 02:54:21 AM
I got this dvd from France, although I knew there were no english subtitles. I watched it with italian audio and french subs, and did not understand much. The plot didn't seem to complicated, but I didn't understand as much as I probably should have (5 years of french at school). Would anyone care to give me slightly detailed synopsis? Then I might appreciate it more next time.

I also got the french dvd of The Last Days Of Pompei, with english audio. That was a surprisingly enjoyable film, extremely entertaining. My first meeting with peplum was quite successful. Then again, it was Leone.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: DJIMBO on May 13, 2004, 05:18:09 AM
i found colossus of rhodes hard to understand even tho it woz in english...because its pretty crap. couple of flamboyant leone-esque scenes but essentially rubbish.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: grandpa_chum on December 08, 2004, 12:41:59 AM
Man... i've just recently been reading up on it a bit...

I would really love to get my hands on a widescreen english version of it... although i don't think it exists... i know there is a full screen vhs(which i may have to settle for) and a french widescreen version with italian and french dubs... does anyone know of a widescreen english version or where i can get my hands on one?



Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: cigar joe on December 08, 2004, 03:36:56 AM
ask this question here:

http://www.sartana.homestead.com/index.html

These guys have just about everthing and maybe Colossus too, lol.




Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Smoker on December 08, 2004, 04:26:21 AM
It does get showings on BBC2 in the Uk rarely. Afternoon movie type fair.

Managed to tape it last time. Feb 26th this year. MGM.. Very nice print, vibrant colors not much damage. widescreen. English.

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=848;start=msg6927#msg6927 (http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=848;start=msg6927#msg6927)

Unforunatly don't have the gear to burn DVD-Rs.
But im working on it.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: DJIMBO on December 08, 2004, 06:40:27 AM
g_c its interesting to see as a leone fan but its not freally a leone film as such, the style isnt really there apart from a couple of scenes. its pretty poor to be honest i think i watched it once on BBC2 and im not in a rush to see it again


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: redyred on December 08, 2004, 08:47:52 AM
Yeah it's very much a case of Leone being taken on by the proudcers as the director for the job rather than him initiating it as a project he wanted to do. It's kinda fun though, probably above your average Italian peplum, although I haven't seen many.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: grandpa_chum on December 08, 2004, 02:10:19 PM
I don't know djimbo... i've heard mixed reviews and to be honest... leone or not i'd really like to see it... it looks very interesting.

And smoker who said anything about dvds... i'd settle for a vhs


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: KERMIT on January 15, 2005, 11:43:50 AM
COLOSSUS OF RHODES, ( ' 61 ) airs on TSO @ 10::00 A/M 01-25-05 E.S.T.

checked out a user comment over at IMDB. someone remarked as follows : 
" ....if anything COLOSSUS may be a tad bit too ambitious.
scince the second half of it's 2 & 1/2 hour running time
could use a bit of  triming". 

trimming ?  :o  TRIMMING YOU SAY ?  :(  i'd like to e-mail "DINKY-4 and ask him just what parts ought to be "trimmed" out of COR. surly not rory calhoun's muscles , lol  ::)



Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: cigar joe on January 15, 2005, 06:14:43 PM
What's TSO


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: ray_gillespie on April 25, 2005, 02:46:50 PM
Hi,
Sorry for the over-dramatic subject. I really want to see this film, for completeness sake if nothing else. However, I cannot track down a copy ANYWHERE for love nor money. If anyone knows where to get a region 2 DVD or anything else, please let me know.
Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: cigar joe on April 30, 2005, 08:09:24 PM
Leone's Colossus of Rhodes on TCM Monday 5/2 check your local times!


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: cigar joe on April 30, 2005, 08:11:50 PM
Its going to be shown on TCM (Turner Classic Movies) this next Monday 5/2/2005 check your local times, enjoy!


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Marco Leone on May 01, 2005, 11:17:28 AM
Boohoo!  Not for those of us UK based unfortunately.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: grandpa_chum on May 01, 2005, 05:55:12 PM
huh? it's definitly not true for us america based... i figured he meant tcm-uk since it's not on here.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: grandpa_chum on May 01, 2005, 06:05:26 PM
i take that back... i got screwed up by the whole "tvtime" stuff, it's actually on 5/3 but since it's 2am they count it as the 2nd.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Nobody on May 02, 2005, 08:20:00 AM
Can't find it on the UK scheduhle. I have the French DVD, but there are no English subs, so I couldn't understand what went on, and would like to see this again with subs.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: redyred on May 02, 2005, 12:12:12 PM
Marco: It was on UK terrestrial TV (BBC2 I think) about a year ago, so it's concievable they'll show it again.

On the film, I recently rewatched it from my taped off TV version. Two things really struck me. First you can see Leone's Kurosawa influence a lot more clearly than in his later films, particularly in the action sequences (which incidentally are the only bits in the film that are at all well done). Secondly, it's pretty clear that Leone was itching to do a western - plenty of horseback chases that but for the togas looks like they came straight out of a spaghetti.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: KERMIT on May 03, 2005, 07:39:48 AM
Leone's Colossus of Rhodes on TCM Monday 5/2 check your local times!
http://www.turnerclassicmovies.com/ThisMonth/Article/0,,93572,00.html


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: cigar joe on May 03, 2005, 06:44:33 PM
Interesting Kerm, I'm about 1/2 way through the film , things keep getting in the way, I'll give my impressions soon.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: KERMIT on May 03, 2005, 10:15:47 PM
leone first fires john deriek, and by chance rory calhoun is available and 1000 times better suited for the part. then falls into the swiming pool laughing he had found his man.
leone wanted old henry fonda but got  the stratospheric clint eastwood. leone changes with the shifts like greased lightining. especially like no other director, musically. and, with a feeling. funny how leone and morricone were school mates in gramer school together. 


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: cigar joe on May 04, 2005, 05:43:38 AM
Ok (wathched it through to the end) Colossus of Rhodes is your average sword and sandal peplum until Leone focuses in on the colossus itself, there you finally get hints of what is to eventually come, the shots of the sword fight on the Colossus's arm with the soldiers climbing out the ear are spectacular, the camera angles and the framing are precursors of shots to come. There is a closeup of one eye of the colossus where two of the baddies are framed in the opening of the pupil. Another over the shoulder shot showing the side of the face (hommage to Saboteur & North by Northwest perhaps). Looks as if Leone replaced the colossus with human faces  and iconic western artifacts,  guns, spurs, hats, false front western towns making the WEST mythological.

Its worthy of a view.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Firecracker on April 12, 2006, 03:09:47 AM
isnt it about time that this place should have a "colosuss of rhodes" section? afterall isnt it a leone film? And is this not the Leone web board? Just my two cents.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: cigar joe on April 12, 2006, 06:06:45 PM
I agree. It was a good S&S.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 12, 2006, 06:08:38 PM
I haven't seen it yet. Talking of S&S check out the Hercules MST3K episodes. Steve Reeves a Roach exterminator. Genius!


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2006, 06:27:43 AM
I haven't seen it yet.

neither have I. I keep passing by it on the net but have yet to pick it up. the price tag is a little bit of a turn-off. oh well. I am sure I will get it eventually(because I do want to see it).

But it still deserves to be on here. I dont care if it wont make much discussion, it just needs to be here! it is a leone film. this is a leone web board where we discuss ALL his films.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Banjo on April 13, 2006, 06:54:14 AM
I haven't seen it yet. Talking of S&S check out the Hercules MST3K episodes. Steve Reeves a Roach exterminator. Genius!
It was on daytime TV about 3/4 years ago and stupidly i neglected to record it!


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2006, 07:07:30 AM
It was on daytime TV about 3/4 years ago and stupidly i neglected to record it!


that could have saved you the 22 dollars(not sure what that is in pounds or euros) ::)


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 13, 2006, 07:35:28 AM
about £13 (which in the rediculous DVD overpriced market of the highstreet would be quiye cheap)  ::)


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2006, 07:36:23 AM
about £13

thanks a bunch. :)


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Leone Admirer on April 13, 2006, 07:37:16 AM
rough estimates, as I buy a lot from the states, tend be divide by 2 and + 1 aka half of 22 = 12 + 1


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2006, 07:39:24 AM
rough estimates, as I buy a lot from the states, tend be divide by 2 and + 1 aka half of 22 = 12 + 1

ah! math!

I'll have none of that fowl language here mister. ;D


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: roberti on April 14, 2006, 07:56:51 AM
Wright. COLOSSUS OF RHODES and Spartacus are the 2 best peplum cause Sergio and Stanley made them. I haven't seen Colossus of rhodes for a while so I need to watch it again and i will post stuff about it. it is a good idea Firecracker to remind everybody that, despite it is not a western, Colossus of Rhodes is a very good Sergio Lone's movie anyway!


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Firecracker on April 14, 2006, 11:50:19 AM
it is a good idea Firecracker to remind everybody that, despite it is not a western, Colossus of Rhodes is a very good Sergio Lone's movie anyway!

it is important that this become apart of the sight. I know there is the "other films" section but that is insulting it. It deserves to have its own section here on the board.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: grandpa_chum on April 14, 2006, 02:13:15 PM
I agree it should have it's own section as a fullbred leone directed film... but it's not that great a movie... maybe it's because I simply have no taste for a S&S film, I mean it was well made enough and directed but i just didn't like it too much.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: KERMIT on April 14, 2006, 02:30:34 PM
i agree as well chum.  this film had a mystique no other
sword & sandle film ever had.  thanks to firecraker as well for coming up w/ this splendid idea.  ;D


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Firecracker on April 14, 2006, 07:26:46 PM
  thanks to firecraker as well for coming up w/ this splendid idea.  ;D


well maybe it could happen. who would we have to speak to, to get this done. I dont want to be to much of a bother....but it would be nice to have the section up someday....


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: roberti on April 15, 2006, 11:19:03 AM

well maybe it could happen. who would we have to speak to, to get this done. I dont want to be to much of a bother....but it would be nice to have the section up someday....

Well I think we just have to ask a proper colossus of rhodes section to the moderators. And I'm gonna do it straight away.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Firecracker on April 15, 2006, 04:36:32 PM
Well I think we just have to ask a proper colossus of rhodes section to the moderators. And I'm gonna do it straight away.


very well...maybe others should ask the moderators as well.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: grandpa_chum on April 15, 2006, 08:02:09 PM
well there was a campaign a while ago to change the name of the "fistful of dynamite" section and that didn't even happen, so with all do respect to the great moderators of this board, I highly doubt they will add a section if the name of another didn't even happen.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Firecracker on April 15, 2006, 08:20:33 PM
Well there is some what of a difference between changing a name and adding in an actual movie. A name doesnt really have to be changed, but I do see a problem in neglecting a leone film.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Banjo on April 16, 2006, 09:48:24 AM
Isn't there a strong case for My Name Is Nobody as well?


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: grandpa_chum on April 16, 2006, 07:23:30 PM
well the difference would be a couple people suggesting there be a colossus board and nearly 40 people voting on a name-change... but i see your point... the name change is simply cosmetic... my point is changes don't seem to be taken too seriously by those who change things, again with all due respect to the moderators who I am sure are busy enough just keeping the place up and running.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Firecracker on April 16, 2006, 09:21:11 PM
my point is changes don't seem to be taken too seriously by those who change things,

Interesting. what do you mean?


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Tim on April 16, 2006, 09:39:22 PM
  No disrespect to an ex-member, but wasn't that DYS name change vote started by Hex?  I know he's gone now, but still, maybe that had something to do with the forum name for Fistful of Dynamite not getting switched.

  As for Colossus of Rhodes, I haven't seen it so I wouldn't be adding much to a forum dedicated solely to that movie.  Have many people seen it?  Just curious.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Firecracker on April 16, 2006, 09:49:28 PM
 

  As for Colossus of Rhodes, I haven't seen it so I wouldn't be adding much to a forum dedicated solely to that movie.  Have many people seen it?  Just curious.


I havent seen the film. But I think it is a bit strange it is not on here as a title. I am not trying to start a revolution and this thread was in no way trying to ask the  moderators to change the board. I wrote the thread just to see what everybodies comments on this would be. But it seems that Roberti has taken a miled interest into making this "suggestion" a reality. I dont mind either way.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Banjo on April 17, 2006, 03:54:53 AM
Isn't there a strong case for My Name Is Nobody as well?
Well obviously nobody's bothered about Nobody then?   :'(   Leone was the second director and producer afterall which would qualify it as a Leone movie in my books!


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Firecracker on April 17, 2006, 01:03:00 PM
Well obviously nobody's bothered about Nobody then?   :'(   Leone was the second director and producer afterall which would qualify it as a Leone movie in my books!


well I dont know about Nobody. yes Leone was involved but it would be unfair to Tonino if Leone gets the credit for it(even though that has already happened).


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Banjo on April 18, 2006, 06:34:14 AM

well I dont know about Nobody. yes Leone was involved but it would be unfair to Tonino if Leone gets the credit for it(even though that has already happened).
Well why not have a heading "My Name Is Nobody:co-directed(with Valerii) and produced by Leone?"
Thats pretty clear!


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Firecracker on April 18, 2006, 09:26:02 AM
Well why not have a heading "My Name Is Nobody:co-directed(with Valerii) and produced by Leone?"
Thats pretty clear!


then might as well have one for "a Genius, two partners and a chicken", I am sure nobody cares about that one.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Banjo on April 18, 2006, 03:27:17 PM

then might as well have one for "a Genius, two partners and a chicken", I am sure nobody cares about that one.
I don't know much about "a Genius" but i don't think Leone did any directing in this although i think Shobary mentions the intro as a  Leone work.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Firecracker on April 18, 2006, 03:27:48 PM
I don't know much about "a Genius" but i don't think Leone did any directing in this although i think Shobary mentions the intro as a  Leone work.


the intro IS directed by Sergio.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Banjo on April 18, 2006, 03:31:47 PM
Maybe there should be a joint "Nobody" heading to cover Leones involvement in both movies?


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Firecracker on April 18, 2006, 03:34:37 PM
If There will indeed be a change in the board(which I doubt) I think we should concentrate on "Colossus of Rhodes" which is an actual Leone film, not one he was second unit on or produced in.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Banjo on April 18, 2006, 03:42:57 PM
There is still scope for an additional thread for Miscelaneos movies Leone was actively involved in which would be more specific than the existing "other Films connected to Leone " thread!


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Firecracker on April 18, 2006, 03:44:15 PM
There is still scope for an additional thread for Miscelaneos movies Leone was actively involved in which would be more specific than the existing "other Films connected to Leone " thread!

he did some commercials didnt he? If anybody can download these that would be divine.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Banjo on April 18, 2006, 03:46:02 PM
Yeah i saw some Fiat car advert or something in an hour long Leone docu!


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Firecracker on April 18, 2006, 03:47:09 PM
Yeah i saw some Fiat car advert or something in an hour long Leone docu!

WHAT!? WHERE!?


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Banjo on April 18, 2006, 03:49:49 PM
On British sky sattelite tv they occasionally show an hour long Leone docu which shows a very grandois car advert he did in the 80's!


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Firecracker on April 18, 2006, 03:50:49 PM
On British sky sattelite tv they occasionally show an hour long Leone docu which shows a very grandois car advert he did in the 80's!

we never get any such Docs here...

I blame MTV ;D



Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Banjo on April 18, 2006, 03:53:51 PM
When i get the chance i'll send you a copy.An excerpt from the docu features on the OUATIA SE dvd.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Firecracker on April 18, 2006, 03:58:26 PM
When i get the chance i'll send you a copy.An excerpt from the docu features on the OUATIA SE dvd.
ah excellent! I always wanted to see the rest of that doc.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Banjo on April 18, 2006, 03:59:40 PM
No problem ;)


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: DJIMBO on April 21, 2006, 03:06:00 PM
i would imagine theres a simple reason why Colossus of Rhodes hasnt got a section; because its dogshite.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: The Firecracker on April 22, 2006, 11:25:34 AM
i would imagine theres a simple reason why Colossus of Rhodes hasnt got a section; because its dogshite.


that is one persons opinion.
I have heard positive and negative reviews about it.


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 06:52:00 AM
From what i've read its as good as any other "sword and sandels" movie if you like that sorta thing!


Title: Re: Colossus of Rhodes
Post by: titoli on July 11, 2006, 04:22:32 PM
Re-watched the movie today, after about 20 years. I liked it more than the first time. I appreciated particularly the high production values which make the movie pleasing to the eye: scenographers, costumist and special effects men knew their trade.
Still the movie is no masterpiece and even no good entertainment for a very simple reason: it has no characters and no dramatic development.   It takes about half the movie to understand who's the evil guy and what's cooking. Worse, you don't know what the good guy (a miscast Rory Calhoun: can anybody explain his haircut?) is there for. Also, the good guys why want to revolt? A very fine example of the lack of half-cooked clarity of the movie is the Prologue before the opening credits: can't understand what it was about and what it leads to.


Title: Re: The Old General thread!
Post by: Novecento on October 03, 2009, 05:18:45 PM
... a miscast Rory Calhoun: can anybody explain his haircut?...

Leone really like how he ended up with Calhoun. He said that Calhoun's tired-out nonchalant attitude was exactly what he would find in Eastwood later. He also loved the way Calhoun played the role like a poor-man's version of Cary Grant in Hitchcock's 'North by Northwest' to give a very tongue-in-cheek feel to the whole film.