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Title: Morricone
Post by: cigar joe on February 19, 2003, 05:04:18 PM
One of my favorite, non Leone, Morricone soundtracks was the one he did for "The Big Gundown" this one ranks first below the Leone soundtracks, in my opinon. I actually have the vinal, but will see what I can find of it in a newer version. Check it out if you have never heard it. The title track reminds me of "Ecstacy of Gold".


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: shorty larsen on February 21, 2003, 01:12:59 PM
Morricone deserves a forum site for himself!!!!

This man have worked in almost 500 movies, and you always find his sores excelent. From m y own part, after almost 10 years of research, and only have 70 cd's of him.

Morricone did 10 or 15 other scores for "spaghetti western", of course not with Leone anymore.

I think that Morricone began to parody his own style at one point, and this was a serious contribution to the "fall" of the spaghetti western style.

Don't forget that one of the reasons OUTW had not a great succes in the US is that the spaghetti western "genre" was exhausted by italian and american movie makers who copied the Leone style. In 1969, when OUTW was released, american public was tired of spaghetti westerns, (of "bad" spaghetti western we should say).

And ironicly (I don't know if you spell it like this) the best spaghetti western movies didn't have any succes at all.

Speaking of Morricone, I have 6 or 7 spaghetti western scores (not counting the Leone's ones) and they're not that fabulous.

Don't forget that Leone (and 30 years later, Giuseppe Tornatore also) was the only movie director who alowed Morricone to compose the music before the making of the movie. It's incredible. I read somewhere that Morricone composed the socre of OUTW with a strident Harmonica, which was not plannified at all by Leone. It seems, (it only seems, I'm not sure) that Leone was so surprised by this idea that he included the name "Harmonica" for Bronson and he changed a little bit the story in order to introduce the story of the harmonica between Henri Fonda and Charles Bronson.


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: visitor on February 22, 2003, 10:17:11 PM
"I actually have the vinal, but will see what I can find of it in a newer version."

An expanded cd was put out about a year ago, but the sound was in poorly remastered mono.


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: visitor on February 22, 2003, 10:20:28 PM
morricone web board address
http://pub36.bravenet.com/forum/show.asp?usernum=3017524795


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: shorty larsen on February 23, 2003, 09:34:50 AM
Association between Leone and Morricone was similar to the Ennio Morricone/Giuseppe Tornatore relanshionship.

Tornatore always let Morricone to make the movie score before even the first scene shot.

Tornatore has particular reasons for doing this: for "Cinema Paradiso" for example, the scenes were shooted while the actors could actually listen to the score that was already finished.

This was very important in order to create an atmosphere or a "mood" to the scene. The actor were able to "feel" on  the set the sentimental and sad atmosphere.


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: Jon on February 25, 2003, 02:24:48 PM
70 Morricone Cds!I only have about 30,although obviously all the Leonescores,Fistful of Dynamite being my favourite.I would say his best non-Leone scores thatI know of are 1900,Everybody,s Fine,Wolf and some of the Dario Argento scores[oh and The Thing].He doesn,t seem to be scoring many films nowadays does he?


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: Il Buono on February 26, 2003, 05:09:00 AM
I think 1900 was his latest...  Yes, it's too bad he doesn't do scores much often anymore.  I think he's still the best film composer ever


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: shorty larsen on February 26, 2003, 12:16:20 PM
Wow guys, the man's 72 years old. Allow him to rest a little!!!! Hahaha!!!

I know that in this moment he only writes music film if he is particulary interested with the story of the film.

He spends his time giving concerts all around the world.

Did you know that the nearly 500 film scores composed by Morricone is only the 25% of his total music production?

But how can this man be so inspired???

I think it has to do with the italian sensibility. Sorry to say this, but it will NEVER be a composer such as great as Morricone in the USA, because it all has to do with a particular sensibillity and a particular mood from the italian people.

Check another of his great scores: "Queimada" or "Burn" in the Us, with the ENORMOUS Marlon Brando.


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: Jon on February 28, 2003, 11:11:50 AM
I wasn,t knocking the guy! But I think you,ll agree that it is a shame that one can now rarely go into a cinema and hear his music now.The last films I think he did were Mission to Mars and Malena,and both scores were very good.Atleast one can probably look forward to his next collaboration with Giuseppe Tornatore-they seem to have a similar relationshop to the one Morricone had with Leone.


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: shorty larsen on February 28, 2003, 01:02:38 PM
Yeah, I saw Cinema Paradiso today (again, I forgot the number of times that I have saw this movie).

The association between the sensibility of the images and the music is amazing.

I read that Morricone refused to work whith Tornatore at the beginning, until Tornatore proposed him to create the score before the movie shot, allowing him to be even more "creative" (if this could be possible).

They have an excellent relationship by now.

Anyway, even if Morricone produced some very good film scores in the 90's and begining of the 2000', I personnally think that the 60'/70'/80's were his best period. And I would say that the 70' was, by far, the best decade.

The 80's and the 90's were the Hollywood period, in wich Morricone was "accepted" by Hollywood and was proposed many movie scores such as Brian de Palma "Untouchables" and "Mission to Mars" , Roland Joffe "The Mission", Oliver Stone "U Turn", Mike Nichols "Wolf" (with Jack Nicholson), "State of Grace" with Sean Penn (Great great movie about the irish mob, unforgettable music score), among others.

But, to me, his best period is the 70's. He was at the best of his creative capacities, and it was a decade full of oportunities and experimentations in music.

Check for example all the Bossa Nova influence on Morricone music in the late 60's and 70's.

This Bossa Nova Influence is now (in the 2000's) called "lounge". You can find many compilations  called "Morricone lounge", very good ones.

What do you think about this?


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: Il Buono on March 02, 2003, 04:59:30 AM
I don't really know about Morricone's scores (except for the Leone films and some other spaghettis).  I have seen The Mission, State of Grace, the Untouchables and probably others, but I really can't recall the music.  Maybe it has been too long...  but I still think that his scores for Leone are the best I've ever heard.  There's some extravagant feeling coming from it, and still it sounds so familiar.  It is really memorable and I can only recall themes like Psycho, Star Wars and Indiana Jones to sound so integrated in my mind...


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: cigar joe on March 02, 2003, 05:33:55 AM
Never heard of Morricone Lounge, can you down load any on Kazaa?


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: Jon on March 02, 2003, 09:01:14 AM
Shorty,haven,t heared the Morricone lounge CDs but I think it just shows how ahead of his time he was.I have one non-soundtrack CD of his called Chamber Music which is quite simply bizzarre!I didn,t like it at first but it has grown on me.I read somewhere that he prefers writing that sort of music,very experimental and atonal.

I think that one of the reasons he is so great is that he can seemingly write any sort of music be it jazz[OUATIA],minimalist[The Thing],even rock[4 Flies on Grey Velvet].His music can be funny,sad,romantic,scary etc.Most people go on about John Williams and how good he is,but while he has written some terrific music[Star Wars,Indiana Jones etc.],you can always tell it,s him and he almost always the same instruments the same way.Whilst with Morricone it is hard to believe that,for example,A Fistful of Dollars,Nuovocento/1900 and The cat o,Nine Tails are the work of the same composer.

I also consider Cinema Paradiso one of my favourite films,especially the 3 hour version which is so much more emotional-the 2-hour version misses out half the story!All the Tornatore films I have seen are good but I don,t think he has topped Cineme Paradiso yet.


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: shorty larsen on March 03, 2003, 01:26:40 PM
Dear Il Buono: I don't know where country you are from and your profile doesn't tell it.

If you're american, you must know that Morricone has made more of 500 music soundtracks. And the "hollywood" production is only the 10% or the 15%.

There are plenty of european movies soundtrack wich were never released in the US. Morricone has made great; magnificent scores for italian and french movies all over the 60's and the 70's. I can tell you that Morricone has more "epic" productions than you think.


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: shorty larsen on March 03, 2003, 01:50:49 PM
Cigar Joe: you won't be able to find some good Morricone music on Kazaa. I would say that you won't be able to find any good music at all on Kazaa.

Kazaa is not a good search site for music.

I would say to try on imseh, may be, but it's not even sure.

Regarding Morricone "lounge", what I wanted to say is that all the lounge movement that you find now in music likes very much Morricone. The "lounge" compilations of Morricone are remakes of Morricone's tracks from the 60's and 70's.

Cigar Joe, if you are really interested in Morricone "lounge" cd's check this sites on Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005CCVK/qid=1046723757/sr=1-24/ref=sr_1_24/104-3723336-0948746?v=glance&s=music

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005OO1I/qid=1046724308/sr=1-230/ref=sr_1_230/104-3723336-0948746?v=glance&s=music



Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: shorty larsen on March 03, 2003, 02:26:29 PM
Jon. John Williams hace some terrific scores, we have to say it, but I agree with you that "Star Wars", "Indiana Jones" or "Superman" have always the same background melody.

Morricone is a real genious to me, so I'm not objetive at all. I have to say this first.

Nevertheless, he certainly is a master in very different music styles. I won't repeat all the "genre" that you already mentionned. Let me just say that he almost "invented" gothic terror movies style (Dario Argento), a terror style that has nothing to do with terror movies like John Carpenter's "The Thing". See for example the cult gothic terror movie by Dario Argento "Quattro mosche di velutto griggio" ("Four flyes on grey velvet").

I'm a great fan of Morricone's 70's decade. He was inspired by all kind of music styles. But I rather prefere the Bossa Nova influence. I think he became a master of the genre, combining Bossa Nova or samba with his particular talent. I recommend you a great movie score: Il Gatto, "The cat", a wonderful dark humour comedy produced by Sergio Leone with Ugo Tognazzi. Morricone's groovy, "bossanovistic" music is amazing.


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: Sean Sean on March 04, 2003, 09:40:41 PM


Of course, Morricone came BEFORE Leone, his music was composed before the film was shot and this shows who realy came first in those Leone's films. Morricone's presence there was similar to God's on Earth, the alpha and the omega...


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: Jon on March 05, 2003, 03:09:31 AM
Shorty,I agree that the 70s was probably Morricone,s best decade,and certainly his most innovative.I,m not that familiar with the Bossa -Nova Morricone music-yes,I,ll have to check some of it out.
Sean-Sean,I heard that Morricone didn,t start writing music before film footage was shot untill OUATITW,although there are parts of GBU that are so well choreagraphed to the music that maybe it started before.I hear that on the set of OUATITW Leone played recordings of Morricone,s music to enhance the mood during filming.


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: cigar joe on March 05, 2003, 04:23:24 AM
I was watching another favorite film "Blue Velvet" on DVD a few nights ago and in the special features section I found that David Lynch played Angelo  Badalamenti's music during filming.


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: shorty larsen on March 05, 2003, 01:45:50 PM
Sean Sean, I'm one of the most Morricone's fanatic on earth.

I have almost 70 cd's of his production.

But we can't compare the work of a moviemaker with the work of a music composer.

I agree that Morricone is "God", to me at least. My parents listened to him long before my birth and I was raised in Morricone's music.

But I don't know if Morricone came before Leone or if Morricone was greater than him.

We're just all lucky to be witnesses of one the greatest moviemaker/musician partnership of all times.


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: Sean Sean on March 07, 2003, 10:16:53 AM
What can be realy said about who comes firts?
The truth is that Music ( Morricone ) exists in the temporal dimension only, but cinema exists on both Time and Space, I mean the experience of watching a movie occurs in those two dimensions so we can say the cinema has a " sensorial " advantage, as an art, over music, but when a composer arrives ( Morricone ) who is able to reach the same " extasy " with his music than a great director such as Leone with his films you can see that you are dealing with somebody beyond everything. To me there is no doubt, Morricone's superiority exceeds the domain of music, to me, Morricone is the greatest artist of all times, beyond even the supremes " renaissance " artists and painters, beyond the best cinema directors...


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: Jon on March 11, 2003, 10:26:15 AM
Sean Sean-I guess you are a Morricone fan then?!


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: shorty larsen on March 14, 2003, 02:02:12 PM
According to this site, http://franckiesmovies.free.fr/Leone.html,

for the Leone's burial Morricone played the "Duck you sucker" main theme.

It's interesting that Morricone had chosen this particular melody among his hundred to say goodbye to his friend.



Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: Jon on March 15, 2003, 10:52:42 AM
I think it was appropreate as I think its Morricone,s most beautiful theme.I also read somewhere.I don.t atall remember where,that during the funeral service Morricone played the main theme from OUATITW on either the organ or the piano.


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: noodles_leone on March 19, 2003, 08:13:06 AM
I was at one porricone concert in november in france, that was great, as you can imagin!
I've learn that he composes symphonic music too, and "room music" as we say in french.

I've heard last year a new version of the theme of fistful of dynamite, composed by morricone: just a short tune that is repeted for 5 or 6 minutes.... strange...


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: shorty larsen on March 20, 2003, 12:47:54 PM
I was in Morricone's concert in Paris too and I was a little disapointed.

Yeah, his chamber symphonic music is also great, but everybody espected more of his well known melodies.

Also, without Edda dell'Orso it is not the same thing. She was really a great singer.


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: shorty larsen on April 09, 2003, 02:00:24 PM
Apparently, Ennio has signed the score of the last Tarantino movie, Kill Bill.

Does anyone know something about this?


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: Il Buono on April 09, 2003, 02:59:07 PM
I looked on the IMDB and I found Morricone credited for 'additional music'.  Other music for the film comes from RZA and Lars Ulrich.


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: cigar joe on April 09, 2003, 04:57:46 PM
While we are on Morricone did he do any film scores before Leone?


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: mono on April 11, 2003, 01:15:41 PM
While we are on Morricone did he do any film scores before Leone?
plenty. the first  was Il Federale (http://us.imdb.com/Credits?0054870).


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: shorty larsen on April 12, 2003, 11:47:52 AM
In 1961 he made Il Federale.

1962: "The Virginian"; "La Voglia matta"; "I motorizzati"; "Dicciotenni al sole"; "La Cuccagna".

1963: "Duello nel Texas"; "Il Successo"; "Le Monachine"; "I Balisischi".

1964: "E la donna creó l'uomo"; "I Maniaci"; "Prima della revoluzione"; "Due evasi di Sing Sing".

And before all this he made some scores for the radio.


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: cigar joe on April 12, 2003, 05:15:53 PM
Thanks Shorty, it was a question I always wondered about.


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: shorty larsen on April 13, 2003, 07:34:22 AM
Except "Il Federale", the rest of the cds are impossible to find.

I've been looking for these cds for years without any succes.


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: KERMIT on May 09, 2003, 06:50:27 AM
3 of the greatest in my book:
 
1. ennio morricone (my personal fav. enough said !)
2. bernard herrmann  (hitchcock's psyco could easily been a floop w/ out herrman's score). the beatles' "elenor rigby" has a touch of herrmann thanks to george martian. not to mention herrmann's swan song "taxi driver" theme.
3. dominic frontiere composed & conducted early "outer limits" scores.


Title: Re:Favorite soundtrack composers
Post by: Cusser on May 09, 2003, 08:40:34 AM
My favorite soundtrack composers are Morricone, Korngold (Adv. of Robin Hood, Captain Blood, sea hawk), E. Bernstein (Magnificent Seven, Great Escape, Sons of Katie Elder), F. Waxman (Taras Bulba), J. Williams (Jaws, Superman, Raiders), J. Barry (From russia with Love, Goldfinger).  B. Hermann was great, but I don't listen to any of his as "standalone", the others I listen to regularly in my truck.


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: Jon on May 09, 2003, 08:45:53 AM
I love a great deal of film music,my fav.composers are

Ennio Morricone[of course]
John Barry[tho.he's not as good as he used to be]
Danny Elfman
Bernard Herrmann
Miklos Rozsa


Title: Re:Favorite soundtrack composers
Post by: KERMIT on May 09, 2003, 02:38:54 PM
hot-damn my first reply ! and from cusser . my day is made !!
how on god's green earth i would leave out old e. burnstien or for that matter jerry goldsmith beats the little jimmy dickens out of me.
i've long scince worn out my copy of sons of k.elder, my 87 year old mom's favorite movie. we love the way the duke handeled his role.
but mag.7 ? now your into mqueen territory buddy.  he  like j. lennon ,was one of us.  a while ago, i posted several peices on the imdb concerning "soldier in the rain".......wait. sorry cusser i got off the subject.
i'm in a quandry here. now that you bring up john berry's name i'm bewildered @ just who is my fav. as "goldfinger" the greatest bond movie  yet.  funny, it to was number 3 in a series just as G.B.&U. was.
 on stage i have a great deal of fun segueing blues tunes w/ that musical pocket watch theme or the alfred hitchcock theme.  let's folks know i'm not tryin to git too serious w/ my music and it gets chuckles ever time.
  gets me thinking what to do next as i never do the same show twice.  self-taught and can't read music.
as sonyboy williamson sang "don't start me talkin' I'll tell you ever thang i know". in this world my freind there are two different kinds of people. those who make thier point and those who won't shut up.
what can i say ?
all the best 'n thanx for gettin in touch. cusser 'n cigar  joe are my hero's. you dudes flat know your stuff bass-ackwards.
if you want to hear me play i'm on "out of the dark" w/ walter "wolfman" washington & the roadmasters web-site outa new orleans.  or just go to google and punch in kermit"champ" young. that is if ya like that low down filthy funky stuff that makes you shake your butt and move on down the line.
HAPPY TRAILS TO YOU TIL WE MEET AGAIN.


Title: Re:Composers
Post by: Cusser on May 09, 2003, 02:59:25 PM
Hey, I left out Danny Elfman (Batman).


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: cigar joe on May 09, 2003, 06:55:05 PM
I like Angelo Badalamenti and his work with David Lynch.


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: KERMIT on May 09, 2003, 08:11:58 PM
daviid lynch and all those dedicated to tough it out w/ him back in his "eraserhead" days i have but tree words : SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF ~~!
..........maybe thats where tuco's 3rd gun came from.
what if leone and hitchcock would have collabarated or shall we say  clobbered w/ one another ?  
i'm in total awe @ all of those musicians, vocalist , bell ringers who workerd under morricone, who worked for leone. not event to mention old clint hiself !
what a itialian wild bunch .


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: shorty larsen on June 02, 2003, 02:35:23 PM
Morricone is God to me.

But I like another film composers: John Barry, I like him very much; Hans Zimmer; James Horner (some of his work like Braveheart or Devil's Own); a few soundtracks by Philip Glass (Kundun, Truman Show).


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: KERMIT on June 02, 2003, 04:24:40 PM
hey again shorty !   ;D

we're both in total agreement. EM is god. finito !!

never the less let's review.  without  p. glass, barry,  mancini , what indeed would our favorite movies mean to us?  i go with less is more. that is untill ennio moriconne poped up.    but  "story of a soldier" is so simple.   i cry everytime i hear it....... i also cry when i hear some of today's pop music ?  
 old cluster plucker,
kermit


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: aaronson on June 04, 2003, 04:57:24 AM
I agree with the majority: Ennio and B.Hermann and Balamanti... But all these genius were able to make a successfull team with a Director to produce a chemical synergy :1+1= 3 ..and masterpieces: Hermann/Hitch, Balamenti/Lynch, Ennio/Sergio...
Many Ennio musics are pretty good but unadapted to  horrible movies (especially the french: verneuil...).

By the way let's open another topic: Who is the worst compositor ?
I propose Jarre for Zhivago and the impossible torture: some day Laraaaaaaa .......


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: Jon on June 04, 2003, 11:54:41 AM
Worse composer,this is difficult.I agree with you that Maurice Jarre's music ,[except for Laurence Of Arabia.]is pretty poor.I don't think much of a lot of film music you hear in films these days,even some very good composers like John Wiliams,Jerry Goldsmith and John Barry seem to have their best days behind them.I don't really like

Hans Zimmer
Mark Isham[his early film music was good but it's now so dull]
Michael Kamen[except Brazil soundtrack]
All those pop soundtracks which havecsongs which are nothing to do with the film!


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: Charles Buchinsky on September 07, 2003, 07:22:21 PM
Hi Sean Sean, although I´m a great fan of Morricone myself, I must say I disagree with you saying that Morricone is the best composer of all times. Why is that? I believe you can always recognise his work in every movie, even when you didn´t know he is the man behind the scores. He is to much of himself, if you know what I mean, he is to predictible. On the other hand I don´t think of anyone else being able to compose such magnificent soundtraks as The Mission, 1900 or why not Sostiene Pereira wich happens to be one of my favorites. Anyway, have a good time Sean Sean.

                                               Farewell.


Title: Re:Morricone
Post by: Groggy on September 23, 2003, 06:38:54 AM
  Well, let's see:
  1) Morricone
  2) Hans Zimmer
  3) Mark Snow
  4) John Barry
  5) John Williams

  (I kinda like Goldsmith and Horner, but I ain't crazy about them.)

  And, of course, I forgot all about Nino Rota.  ::)