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Title: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: General Sibley on July 19, 2004, 12:18:01 PM
Since we've been talking about Peckinpaugh quite a bit lately,  wanted to give a headsup that Alfredo Garcia is on the western channel tonight.  This is my favorite Peck movie, surrealistic and quite deranged.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: DJIMBO on July 19, 2004, 01:50:27 PM
never seen this film: heard its one of those love or hate films, only seen The Wild Bunch and The Ballad of Cable Hogue of Peckinpah, still dont think he's as original or as good as Leone.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: mortimer on July 20, 2004, 10:14:11 PM
Finally saw this in its entirety on the westen channel. Was always impressed with the spots of it I have seen and really enjoyed seeing it start to finish. Violent and dark, my kind of film. I always thought 2 Lane Blacktop was Oates best performance but now I am not so sure. Definitely needs a widescreen dvd R1 release.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on July 21, 2004, 04:14:59 AM
I don't get "The Western Channel".  :(




Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: General Sibley on July 21, 2004, 11:17:31 AM
Violent and dark, my kind of film.

A kindred spirit!

Didn't get home till late so I only caught the last 15 minutes - but that's a damn cool ending  8)


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: KERMIT on July 21, 2004, 10:59:33 PM
waren oats ( to the head of alfredo gracia rolling around in the car seat ) : "al, it wasn't your fault. i'm sorry".  


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: The Smoker on February 28, 2005, 02:16:27 PM
Just found out about this one!
Another little gem from MGMs archive thats getting a US DVD release.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0006TPDPM/102-3290660-5122502?v=glance

released on March 22, 2005

It has been available in a Asian DVD
for quite a while on the Stingray/MGM label,
Known for some slightly pricey Spaghetti Westerns
(The Mercenary, Navajo Joe, Death Rides A Horse, etc). 
So maybe they could follow suit in the states soon.



Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: visitor on February 28, 2005, 04:13:39 PM
This is a very DIFFICULT film to sit thru.
Little coherence, almost hallucinatory, with Warren Oates PLAYING Sam Peckinpah.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: dave jenkins on March 03, 2005, 04:01:25 PM
This is a very DIFFICULT film to sit thru.
Little coherence, almost hallucinatory, with Warren Oates PLAYING Sam Peckinpah.
In that case, count me in!


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Film-Junkie Zach on July 17, 2005, 12:00:46 PM
Good Film. It's Just like The Treasure Of The Sierra Madre and The Good The Bad and The Ugly. BMHOAG is an ugly(ugly Meaning difficult to watch) film about Greed. Warren Oates is a PIMP!!!  ;D


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: grandpa_chum on July 17, 2005, 12:37:06 PM
one of the greatest endings of all time... one of the best movies I've ever seen... Benny: "hell, I've never been any place I wanted to go back to"


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on January 21, 2006, 11:10:31 PM
Update: Wow! How the F*ck did this gem pass under my radar screen. *

Picked up this DVD from Amazon and this film is a definite classic. I would even venture that its a Masterpiece.

Peckinpah's Bring Me The Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974) updates the anti-hero from the traditions of Huston's "Treasure of the Sierra Madre", Bogart's "Casablanca", Mitchum's mercenary in Mexico flicks,  Leone's & Eastwood's trilogy, Corbucci's "Zapata Westerns" and re-incarnates him as  "Benny" a decadent, gonzo, sleaze-ball piano bar owner cum looser, on a quest for a $10,000 bounty on the head of an old acquaintance.

What Eastwood & Leone did for "Joe, Manco & Blondie"... an unshaven face, a squint, a cigar, and a poncho. Peckinpah & Oates do for a hard drinking "Benny", bell-bottomed liesure suit, a mustache, and ridiculously large pair of shades, think of a "lounge lizard" Tom Waits who's very good with a pistol, on a bargain basement quest for a bit of immortality. 

Instead of a horse, Benny 's pimp mobile of choice is whatelse man...., a beat to sh*t mid 60's, oil burnnin', red Chey Impala convertible that's seen way better days, and leaves a contrail of blue smoke as it barrels Benny down the black tops and dirt tracks of rural Mexico straight down to hell.

What really elevates this film is the writting, Oates one liners and the absolutely great dialogs are really cool and unforgetable.

Benny can be elevated to the Pantheon of Anti-Heroes.

Its got a lot of refrences to SW iconography that cinematic memory magic is working in this flick, so we Leonistas will feel right at home in this updated version of the Western. There are enough plot twists, bizzare and surreal situations that even David Lynch devotees will get a kick out of this film, Bravo!

*oh yea, it came out during my wild ass days in Montana so I guess I was living a similar though peacfull lifestyle, lol ;D


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 22, 2006, 09:09:39 PM
After watching two versions of PG&BTK and then about half of Cable Hogue this weekend, I had to put on some Peckinpah I could actually enjoy so I popped Alfredo Garcia into the player. I was just going to watch a couple of minutes to get a few chuckles, but I ended up going all the way through. And laughing all the way. (Was Robert Weber ever better?) Truly, truly a great film.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on January 22, 2006, 10:00:34 PM
Its a very good balanced story that has everything, and really shows what Peckinpah can craft out of a decadently bizzare idea. How can it miss.

I get a kick out of a few of the folks on IMDb that don't think it has enough action, like they expect slowmo shootouts every ten minutes. Its a perfect blend of all the ingrediences of a dark classic, with a lot of quirks and oddball twists to keep anybody with half a brain interested and it eaven has a tragic love story, (though I wouldn't consider it a date flick, lol) come on, what more could you want, lol.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 22, 2006, 11:23:20 PM
it eaven has a tragic love story, (though I wouldn't consider it a date flick, lol)

Well, I dunno. If you and yer gal are the kind that like to get shoved into a hole and covered with dirt, maybe this flick would be just the thing!


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: grandpa_chum on January 23, 2006, 12:43:16 AM
My horrible review of the film I posted on another site(it's hard for me to be articulate when talking about a movie I'm so excited about)... btw, i believe it's the best film of all time... oh and add the wonderful use of day-for-night cemetary footage to the similarities/inspirations with/of leone.

This is most definitely the darkest film ever made and it shouldn't go without saying that it's got a lot in common with my favorite book, moby dick, one of the darkest ever written. Warren Oates has maybe the best performance I've ever witnessed. He plays a man that falls in love with a whore, ruins her, rises from the grave, goes mad with obsession over a head, talks to a rotting head in a bloody bag, asks it questions, kills at least a dozen men and succeeds willing each death with his desperation, makes a choice and never turns back, and goes has no escape from life. I have to agree with the gentlemen who did the commentary on the dvd, benny grieves much longer than any other character in cinema. Usually the hero grieves for a moment, declares his method of revenge and goes on with it. Benny, however, slowly and painfully slips into hatred and aggression towards the obsession that ruined what little life he had left and is willed into deadly action by his desperation. This film has the essential no way out theme, there is no point in the movie for a good hour leading up to it's finale that the viewer can think to themselves "why doesn't he just (blank) and get away", there simply is no choice to be made but his decline into absolute despair. Peckinpah shooting a tragedy in the 'real' unpolished Mexico, smoking barrels, whole families blown away, buried alive, rising from the grave, no way out, and a whole lot of the darkest comedy you will ever see. The scenes in the graveyard, where everything that sets the second half of the film up happens, is so good and so daunting that I thought it couldn't possibly get any better than this, this has to be the bread and butter of the film. Benny is ambushed and left for dead half-buried alive and what directly follows is some of the most disturbing stuff I've ever seen. Well what follows the most-disturbing stuff is a no-way-out rambling road trip into despair that darkly mocks a 70's buddy movie(remember he talks to the rotting fly-ridden head in the bloody bag). Every second from the graveyard on is gripping, dark, funny, disturbing, and wholly expected at the same time. No one could have done such an anti-hollywood dirty, dark, and depressing film better than Peckinpah, and no one has since nor probably ever will.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: titoli on January 23, 2006, 02:18:13 AM
I watched this movie 30 years ago and wasn't so entusiastic, I thought it wasn't living it up to the wonderful title. After a good start, I found it was going nowhere and being unresolved. I think I watched it again on tv in the '80's and had the same impression, maybe even worse. But you folks are doing a great job of persuading me to watch it again. And of course I like W.O.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 23, 2006, 05:42:19 PM
(remember he talks to the rotting fly-ridden head in the bloody bag).
The flies are a very nice touch. I like Sin City a lot, and it has that scene with Clive Owen in the car talking to a dead head (and the head answering back) but even Rodriguez and Tarantino didn't think to include the swarming flies. You gotta go to Peckinpah for that kind of detail.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on January 24, 2006, 12:08:27 AM
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I watched this movie 30 years ago and wasn't so entusiastic, I thought it wasn't living it up to the wonderful title. After a good start, I found it was going nowhere and being unresolved. I think I watched it again on tv in the '80's and had the same impression, maybe even worse. But you folks are doing a great job of persuading me to watch it again. And of course I like W.O.


Well, don't know initially what to tell you, if I'd have seen this 30 years ago I probably might too have had a different impression.

40 years ago I was a Leone & Eastwood fanatic, then after Leone was surpressed by the suits here, I continued following Eastwood's re-incarnation and Americanization of the NWNN persona, so If I had seen this film (BMTHOAG) then I would not have paid it that much attention for the above reason (basically nobody was cooler than Eastwood) and once its time in the theaters had passed, it was off the radar screen, now with DVD I can re-evaluate all that I missed, and this was a big miss.

Living in Montana after growing up in NYC I was basically the classic "fish out of water" but that move began a love for the untidy parts of life, lifes loosers, the broken dreams, the ghost towns, the wrecking yards, the trailer parks, old pickup trucks, the cumbling saloons & lounges, the strip joints, seeing an off the wall John Waters "Pink Flamingo's" and the protagonnist's contest of going for the title of "The Filthiest People Alive", lol, the beauty even in decadence.

So here I am seeing "Bring Me The Head Of Alfredo Garcia" for the first time as a stand alone film and the set up, of just prior to seeing it, of going through a round of Zapata Westerns from 1934 to 2004 followed by "The Treasure of The Sierra Madre" and then adding a dash of classical dark themed film Noir including Mitchum's "Out of The Past". Then on top of all that being a big fan of the neo noir films of David Lynch, and then add latest Kill Bill's and Sin City to the cinematic mix, so I was primed so to speak, for it.

I see BMTHOAG, and realize what an ahead of its time decadent masterpiece, a great genre blend of Western, Spaghetti Western, Road Trip, and Noir this film was.


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The flies are a very nice touch. I like Sin City a lot, and it has that scene with Clive Owen in the car talking to a dead head (and the head answering back) but even Rodriguez and Tarantino didn't think to include the swarming flies. You gotta go to Peckinpah for that kind of detail.


Yes the flies, lol, you know how  crazy Bennie was just for the fact that any sane person would have put the top down on the convertible, lol




Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: titoli on January 24, 2006, 02:20:26 AM
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Well, don't know initially what to tell you, if I'd have seen this 30 years ago I probably might too have had a different impression.


Granted. But this may work (or at least works like this with me) with arthouse movies (when you have to be grown up to understand certain themes: it happened to me recently with 8 and 1\2, that didn't occupy before an high position in my personal Fellini list. Now it's on top with I vitelloni). With entertainment movies it is unlikely that what didn't entertain me as a teenager it will as an adult. I haven't classified this movie in my memory basically as an arthouse, but as an action movie. But, as said, the fact that so many people here are so enthusiastic about it has persuaded me to give it another try. 

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40 years ago I was a Leone & Eastwood fanatic, then after Leone was surpressed by the suits here,


Uhh? I thought that Leone wasn't suppressed in USA but went undistributed at the start. How things really went? And then, by the time Eastwood started making western in USA (with the possible exception of Hang 'em High), hadn't the Leones been  regularly distributed?


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Nobody on January 24, 2006, 05:29:28 AM
Nice to see this one getting the attention it deserves. Saw this when the DVD came out, had to see it again with cigars and whiskey some time later. Hell, I've even seen it with the commentary track. Peckinpah's greatest, better that Wild Bunch IMO.

In his debut, The Deadly Companion, the protagonist is riding around with a dead body. Peckinpah wanted flies to be buzzing around the corpse, but the studio wouldn't let him do it. This was his sweet revenge...

Oh, and by the way, Warren Oates might actually be a cooler SOB than Clint.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on January 24, 2006, 06:17:34 AM
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Uhh? I thought that Leone wasn't suppressed in USA but went undistributed at the start. How things really went? And then, by the time Eastwood started making western in USA (with the possible exception of Hang 'em High), hadn't the Leones been  regularly distributed?


In theaters no surpression at first just almost universally critically panned. But usually after the theatrical run popular films were shown on TV, as movies of the week etc., etc., which wasn't the case at first. It was a few years before ABC first telivised AFOD and then they addeda propaganda preamble filmed to suggest that Joe was a prisoner let out of prison to act as a government agent to clean up San Miguel.

Somebody find the lag, AFOD first came out in 1967 when did ABC first air it?

Once Eastwood was back here making films all the publicity when to him and not much was heard of Leone in the popular press.

OUTITW was butcherd as so was OUTIA, upon first release here. Don't remember what happened to DYS. During the 1970's I didn't watch a lot of TV.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: titoli on January 24, 2006, 07:23:34 AM
In Italy the 5 westerns weren't aired until the '90's.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 25, 2006, 02:42:45 AM
In Italy the 5 westerns weren't aired until the '90's.
What the hell DO you pay your taxes for?


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: titoli on January 25, 2006, 04:15:21 AM
Consider that they were aired by public television without any spot interruption (or maybe just one at half time). Each movie was preceded by a short Leone interview and the versions were those theatrically released. All in all it was worth all the waiting for. But, I'll add, I could easily do without the airing and the dvd and the rest given the chance to watch them on the big screen again. 


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on January 25, 2006, 05:32:20 AM
HERE HERE!, LOL!


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 25, 2006, 07:47:22 PM
Hey, titoli, is that Kinski you're using as your avatar?


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: titoli on January 25, 2006, 11:07:36 PM
yep.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 26, 2006, 02:09:13 AM
Way cool, dude!


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: KERMIT on January 26, 2006, 04:05:12 AM
isela vega, the "romantic" lead seams to have difficulty keeping her clothes on.  her constant, methodical disrobing is about as sexy and provocative as a peephole view at a women's wrestling team locker room.
everytime she gets into a motel room----WHAM ! off w/ the clothes. when krisistofferson comes to rape her, zip, zip ! -- off comes the blouse.  her behavior, one would think, should make bennie just a little suspicious of his honeybunch, but perhaps he's already so infatuated w/ the cranium he's after that he just dosn't notice, lol


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 26, 2006, 10:09:01 PM
isela vega, the "romantic" lead seams to have difficulty keeping her clothes on. 
You make that sound like it's a BAD thing, lol.

Actually, you've put your finger on a very interesting element of the film. What is up with this character? Why is she with Benny in the first place? And why, when KK starts to lose interest in the rape, does she actually chase after him and entice him? I don't have the answers, but I think these things make the girl an interesting character, and I'm sure she is based on one or more real life models that Peckinpah knew. SP gets credit for understanding male psychology, but he also had an insight into women, at least certain types.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on January 26, 2006, 11:19:26 PM
its a film about loosers, she's as lost as he is.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 31, 2006, 09:57:37 PM
Just out in Japan is a 2-disc SE of BMTHOAG. Before anyone gets too excited let me just say that the second disc is the soundtrack album (worth having, to be sure). The movie disc is pretty much what you get on the US release except you have an option for 5.1 sound and you can hear the film dubbed in Japanese (can be funny). The picture transfer looks like the same one used on the American disc.

The other extras have to do with the packaging. Instead of a crappy keepcase, you get a nice gate-folding digipack that comes in a paper slipcase. You get a booklet (in Japanese) AND a digest sized reproduction of the original Japanese movie program (16 pages, some in color) and reproductions of 2 advertising flyers.
Why we can't get this kind of treatment in the States is beyond me.

As nice as this release is, I don't think there will be too much demand for it by board members: the thing costs just under 5,000 yen (tax in) on the local market. It's a lot to spend on a slight upgrade, yet, somehow, I was able to find the will to do it.

BTW, re-watching the film, I noticed a couple of cameos in Bennie's bar at the beginning. That Haber woman is there, but also I noticed Richard Bright. Hey, Groggy, you got a copy of this film yet?


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Leone Admirer on February 01, 2006, 05:07:49 AM
Thanks for the heads up Dave. It's a film that I definatly need to see (spurned on by the Peckinpah Westerns doco included on the new Wild Bunch SE which whetted my appetite quite a bit) and I'll probably go and buy this.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on February 01, 2006, 05:39:37 AM
If you like the Neo-Noir/Spaghetti Western/surreal mix it will definitely rise to one of your faves.  8)


It did mine.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Leone Admirer on February 01, 2006, 12:55:48 PM
If you like the Neo-Noir/Spaghetti Western/surreal mix

You know I do  ;D . Sounds excellent. Will have to buy now.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Banjo on October 02, 2006, 01:29:32 AM
Watched this last night-one of the most overhyped and tedious movies i've ever seen.I fell asleep halfway through and had to backtrack to see it all the way through-the first half of the film is really dreary and badly drags and the conclusion not much better.Why does Peckinpah persist in prolonging the boredom by slowing down every killing in the film?
I was very disappointed in Warren Oates tiresome self pitying character after having seen him in brilliant form pitting himself against LVC in Barquero.



Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: The Firecracker on October 02, 2006, 02:58:21 AM
Watched this last night-one of the most overhyped and tedious movies i've ever seen.I fell asleep halfway through and had to backtrack to see it all the way through-the first half of the film is really dreary and badly drags and the conclusion not much better.Why does Peckinpah persist in prolonging the boredom by slowing down every killing in the film?
I was very disappointed in Warren Oates tiresome self pitying character after having seen him in brilliant form pitting himself against LVC in Barquero.




HA HA HA HA HEE HEE! Great Banjo! you never cease to amaze me on how much you hate Peckinpah. I honestly don't see what all the hype surrounding "The Wild Bunch" is all about really and I can't shake the feeling that "Bring me the head..." doesn't fare much better. I have an oppertunity to see it soon, hopefully it's at least half way decent.

From what I've read about it, it seems like my cup of tea.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on October 02, 2006, 05:30:24 AM
lol, its got a sleaze factor that you either like or don't like, if you like David Lynch flicks you should like this, 

For me my life in Montana in the early seventies was very similar, and I knew a lot of sleaze balls, lol.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Tim on October 02, 2006, 09:16:36 AM
  I really liked Warren Oates as Benny, thought it was one of his best roles because he is channelling Peckinpah.  Of course, I am a Bloody Sam fan so I enjoy just about everything of his.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: dave jenkins on October 02, 2006, 10:46:01 AM
Just recently came across Roger Ebert's take on this film. He goes on and on about it, it's obviously one of his faves. He actually has some insightful things to say, for once.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20011028/REVIEWS08/110280301/1023


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on October 02, 2006, 06:25:15 PM
nice find thanks.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Banjo on October 03, 2006, 09:06:34 AM

 you never cease to amaze me on how much you hate Peckinpah.
Not really as i've had Cross Of Iron on tape for years which i consider his best film.I'm a pacifist and Peckinpah has quite alot to say about the evils of war here plus James Coburn is in one of the best roles i've seen him in.
Straw Dogs is a pretty good movie.
I also like Ride The High Country which is a very touching homage to westerns.
Alfredo Garcia is preferable to that other yawn- fest Pat Garrett  & Billy The Kid and i'm gonna give Wild Bunch another look shortly.
I admit i was not very objective in the hammering i gave Peckinpahs later westerns in  an earlier thread but it was no worse than some of the stick Eastwood took for his westerns,and for the record i feel that Peckinpahs westerns are as lacking in the convincing villain stakes as Clints,so there! ;D


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Sanjuro on October 03, 2006, 02:07:36 PM
I see something in common between Bennie and the dudes of "The Wild Bunch". They all head for self destruction. I see some beauty there. I think Peckinpah understood the kabuki-like aesthetics and pathos of destruction. The catharsis in those explosive endings are the essence of both films. The path that leads to its climax in each film is rather long, but it's worth it. 


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: The Firecracker on October 03, 2006, 09:43:13 PM

Straw Dogs is a pretty good movie.

I enjoy "Straw Dogs" as well but it's difficult for me to take the climax seriously because I can't help but think of the climax to the family film "Home Alone".


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on October 03, 2006, 09:56:52 PM
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I enjoy "Straw Dogs" as well but it's difficult for me to take the climax seriously because I can't help but think of the climax to the family film "Home Alone".


you were born in the wrong time period.  8)


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: The Firecracker on October 03, 2006, 09:58:12 PM
Well it's hard to imagine anything else when you saw "Home Alone" first.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Banjo on October 04, 2006, 06:13:26 AM
I enjoy "Straw Dogs" as well but it's difficult for me to take the climax seriously because I can't help but think of the climax to the family film "Home Alone".
I actually lived in that village(St.Buryan,Cornwall -its hardly changed in 30 odd years from studying my video) for about 10 months and the real life villagers weren't as friendly as in the film ;D
I don't think the bleak photography does that area of the Penwith peninsular much credit because its really quite beautiful.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: dave jenkins on October 04, 2006, 09:09:41 AM
I enjoy "Straw Dogs" as well but it's difficult for me to take the climax seriously because I can't help but think of the climax to the family film "Home Alone".
You put your finger on a definite problem with the film. Straw Dogs starts out well then takes a number of wrong turnings. The first false move is the wife's response after the rape. I don't think the rape itself is badly done, it's a great example of a character beginning a scene in control and then suddenly being horribly overwhelmed. Credible, but what comes after, no. Then the whole seige of the farm doesn't make sense, certainly not the killing of the sherrif constable. And the climax IS risable, as well as the "deeply meaningful" utterance at the end of of the film. Peckinpah began it well, then it all went wrong. Shame.

The Criterion DVD, nonetheless, looks great, and includes a documentary on P that is essential viewing.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Aguirre on October 05, 2006, 11:40:28 PM
"You guys are definately on my shit list!"

Probably the best dark comedy film I have ever seen.
It's insanely brutal. The only movie I can remember that is both realistic and surreal.
A true classic and a favorite of mine. Obviously Tarantino took notes while watching this.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: dave jenkins on October 06, 2006, 08:08:49 AM
Yeah, that's a good point. How can any fan of Tarantino not like Alfredo Garcia?


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: The Firecracker on October 18, 2006, 12:13:48 PM
Caught the first hour and a half of "Alfredo Garcia" and I agree with Banjo. The first hour is TEDIOUS TEDIOUS TEDIOUS to the tenth degree. The opening promises something it doesn't deliver.

I honestly couldn't care less about Warren Oates's performance.

The film finally picks up when Bennie and his Gal are shoveled into Garcia's grave.

I stopped when Oates kills the two hitmen that hired him. I finish the film off tonight.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: dave jenkins on October 18, 2006, 03:27:36 PM
What can one say? Maybe this is not a film for young people. Wait until you're 40 and try again.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: The Firecracker on October 18, 2006, 06:48:32 PM
What can one say? Maybe this is not a film for young people. Wait until you're 40 and try again.

Your arguement is pathetic at best.

Maturity doesn't come with age. Surely someone as old and "wise" as you knows this (or perhaps not).


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on October 18, 2006, 07:57:40 PM
Maybe you just have lousy taste, how about that argument.  8)


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: The Firecracker on October 18, 2006, 09:08:39 PM
Maybe you just have lousy taste, how about that argument.  8)

That makes me laugh coming from you CJ ;D


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Aguirre on October 19, 2006, 12:39:11 AM
Caught the first hour and a half of "Alfredo Garcia" and I agree with Banjo. The first hour is TEDIOUS TEDIOUS TEDIOUS to the tenth degree. The opening promises something it doesn't deliver.


All Peckinpah films seem to be like that. Although I think they are rewarding on multiple watches.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Banjo on October 19, 2006, 03:28:57 AM
Your arguement is pathetic at best.

Maturity doesn't come with age. Surely someone as old and "wise" as you knows this (or perhaps not).
I turn 40 next year buddy so does that mean you'll be losing me to the other side? :'(
While i've still got a tiny bit of youth in me i say Alfredo Garcia is definately a huge yawn up to the gravedigging scene.
The bad guys are very mediocre and surely(well in my books) it takes alot more than Oates carrying around a severed head for a movie to be labelled "surreal" or "deranged".A bore? Most definately!!!


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on October 19, 2006, 04:52:11 AM
You "disco era" guys just go continue to play with your dolls, oh excuse me "action figures", and fuzzy little squirrels too.

 ;D


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Banjo on October 19, 2006, 06:02:15 AM
Maturity doesn't come with age. Surely someone as old and "wise" as you knows this (or perhaps not).
And proven by by Cigar Joes last post.
Why get personal CJ just because i don't enjoy some films that you do?
And hey leave our squirrels alone,afterall those entertaining little grey critters came  over from you guys in the USA  :)


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: dave jenkins on October 19, 2006, 09:13:58 AM
Well, back to the topic, the thing I was referring to was not maturity, but life experiences. I think if you've ever had a long term dysfunctional relationship with a woman (or witnessed others who have) you're better positioned to appreciate the scenes between Oates and Isela Vega. It's those scenes which set up all that follows, the reason why Alfredo Garcia's head takes on totemic associations.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Banjo on October 19, 2006, 10:16:04 AM
Well based on that line of reasoning i'm now more than a little concerned about, for instance ,anyone who salutes Antony Hopkins performance in Silence Of The Lambs :-\
BTW I think its very patronising to Firecracker with your (most likely) ill-judged assumptions  about him :(


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: The Firecracker on October 19, 2006, 12:50:08 PM
I think if you've ever had a long term dysfunctional relationship with a woman (or witnessed others who have) you're better positioned to appreciate the scenes between Oates and Isela Vega.


As a matter of fact I am in one at this very moment (and have been for the past 4 years) and I still don't see what's so intense or interesting about Oates and Vegas relationship. Peckinpah lingers on it for far too long, "GET GOING ALREADY!"
Yes it may be the point but I really couldn't care less. In fact the film would have worked better as a hole if that picnic scene was cut by at least 2 minutes. The Kristofferson rape scene was useless as well.
......................................................................................................
Finished watching this less then 5 minutes ago and the second half held up better then the dreary first half.
The ending was predictable (did anybody actually think Benny would survive?) and half assed.
The best part of the film is the rather long stretch between the time that Vegas is killed to when Oates kills off the two cheating bounty hunters who hired him. The film should have remained a road picture for as long as it could have as opposed to resorting to hotel scenes that try to give more insight on Oates's character.
Vegas was the biggest problem in the picture. She holds back the whole picture and is just as annoying and whiny as Susan George is in "Straw Dogs". When Benny finds her corpse buried in dirt I couldn't help but feel relieved (finally we can move on with the story now).

As for the much praised Oates performance...what's the hoopla!?
So he's a self pitying, alcholic bum. How many times have we seen this role before?


I am totally convinced that Roger Ebert is xenophobic. He praised Peckinpah's "Wild Bunch" (and this film) but years earlier when it was time to review Leone's spaghetti westerns he had nothing but distaste for Leone's fetish for violence and brutality.

Hypocrite.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: The Firecracker on October 19, 2006, 03:53:30 PM
Interesting thread on the imdb boards of this film...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071249/board/nest/55516678

if it were true I think it would be a more complete ending.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Juan Miranda on October 19, 2006, 05:20:50 PM
I don't love this film, it's too damned spiteful for that, but I do admire it immensly all the same. Its very rarely that a mainstream American film maker bares his soul quite as much as Peckinpah does here - and Oates is clearly playing "Bloody Sam" -  with his fierce, pathalogical and suffocating passions for Latin American women.

That it's not at all a pretty sight, that he shows what a macho posturing ass-hole he really is, a weak drunk seeking redemption in death with references to John Huston Hollywood classics is quite startling. It's not even brave, it's like a stranger telling you something about themselves with a candour that's beyond embarrasment. That Sam ended up a paranoid drug addict seems inevitable watching ALFREDO GARCIA. An incredible, ugly, but essential picture.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Aguirre on October 20, 2006, 01:05:53 AM
I have a theory that Alfredo Garcia is Peckinpah's 8 1/2. It's a metaphor for his experience in the movie business. It happens to be his most personal, and Oates acts as Peckinpah pretty much. The head represents the film, the guys that hired him represent the producers that take away the film, but don't really care for it. Bennie has made sacrifices of his own to get the head and keep it, while the others don't, and just want the profit at the very end.

There's a lot that I'm missing here since I can't grasp some aspects. I haven't heard the audio commentary from the Peckinpah biographers though.

Although taken as the autobiography of a tortured artist,which Sam Peckinpah really was, it's a great film. Taken as just an action film abount a bounty hunter, it's a piece of ******.

I stand by my opinion of Bring Me The Head of Alfredo Garcia being one of the greatest films ever made. For a film that unravels after revisitation is truly the mark of a masterpeice.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Tim on October 20, 2006, 10:39:48 AM
  First of all, I think cigar joe is joking with his comments about you disco era guys with your dolls and fuzzy little squirrels.  ;D  And second, I'm 21 and I like this movie so you don't have to be 40 to appreciate it.

  And Firecracker, I agree with the link you posted.  The ending would be much more Bonnie and Clyde-eque with those shots included.  Still, I like the ending with the shot freezing as the machine gun pumps round after round into Benny and his car.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on October 20, 2006, 04:59:00 PM
What that first half has is a ton of atmosphere, thats a major part of the magic of the film, its not your run of the mill action flick but more of a road picture gone very surreally wrong. That was the pleasant surprise for me that it wasn't non stop action.

I could easily lap up another hour of decadence and decay, this film rolls in it like a dog rolls in dead things, give me more Mexican tourist trap dives, crumbling beauties, beat to sh*t Chevys, and sleazeballs galore.  8)


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Banjo on October 21, 2006, 05:51:23 AM
    CJ,considering you now seem to have a taste for the surreal,decadent and deranged i'm surprised that you don't attribute more credit to the REAL DEAL  -Corbucci's  westerns( other than his Damiani rehashes which i know you dig)where there is undoubtably never a dull moment. ;D



Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on October 21, 2006, 06:30:25 AM
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CJ,considering you now seem to have a taste for the surreal,decadent and deranged i'm surprised that you don't attribute more credit to the REAL DEAL


Set in the 1970's yea, in the 1870's no.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Banjo on October 21, 2006, 07:07:14 AM


Set in the 1970's yea, in the 1870's no.
I see,so i take it you'll be all for a modern day Django? ::) I don't really see why the date should matter ,surely the Alfredo Garcia story could've just as easily been set in the 1870's.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on October 21, 2006, 10:01:15 PM
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Alfredo Garcia story could've just as easily been set in the 1870's.


Sure, but it would lose its particular sleazy 1970's touch which sets it apart. And they don't make Chevy Impala horses, lol.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Banjo on October 22, 2006, 05:40:14 AM
  Well Lucio Fulci's western Four Of The Apocalypse plays out like a road movie with plenty of 70's sleaze with a hippy soundtrack thrown in for good measure,and also  The Specialists,Django Kill and Matalo were unmistakably of that decadent era-in fact certain Italian directors seem to be virtuoso's of decadence.
  I'm sure there were plenty of vices Benny could've got hooked on in the 1870's and i guess there were as many(if not more) unsavoury things going down in that undoubtably more lawless time period than in the 1970's.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on October 22, 2006, 05:54:27 AM
sure there were plenty of vices, but I really don't like "The Specialist" and "4otA" for those very things you mentioned, I really don't care for genre mixing.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Amaze on November 19, 2006, 09:36:57 AM
not really sure what I think about this movie. I'll have to digest it. but the part after he got the job until the mock burial did drag on for some time. it had some very strange slowmo use I think.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: mike siegel on November 19, 2006, 11:13:01 AM
Cool, there's more discussion here about GARCIA than on the Peckinpah-sites....
Isela Vega told me greatsories for my Peckinpah-film about doing drugs with Oates. For ex. when she played the scene in the graveyard (buried) she was of course was expected to be 'dead' but she did some halucinating mushrooms with Oates before and was so stoned that she kept on talking and laughing - during the takes -, until Peckinpah really got fed up and shouted at her 'damn it Isela, shuuut up, you're dead, damn it..'

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Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on November 19, 2006, 01:40:05 PM
Thanks Mike, your contributions are a pleasure, keep them coming.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Banjo on December 10, 2006, 03:31:59 AM
Alfredo Garcia's on ITV4 tonight after Wild Bunch and a Sam Peckinpah western documentary.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: The Firecracker on December 10, 2006, 10:39:27 AM
Alfredo Garcia's on ITV4 tonight after Wild Bunch and a Sam Peckinpah western documentary.


I guess you'll be giving it a miss ::)


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on July 23, 2007, 10:11:03 PM
Ok, was doing a search for this and couldn't believe there was no separate topic:
So I'll paste what I wrote before below the particulars:

Dir. Sam Peckinpah and starring Warren Oates, Isela Vega, Robert Webber, Gig Young, Emilio Fernandez, Helmut Dantine,   Kris Kristofferson,  Chano Urueta, & Funky Donnie Fritts

Original post:

Update: Wow! How the F*ck did this gem pass under my radar screen. *

Picked up this DVD from Amazon and this film is a definite classic. I would even venture that its a Masterpiece.

Peckinpah's Bring Me The Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974) updates the anti-hero from the traditions of Huston's "Treasure of the Sierra Madre", Bogart's "Casablanca", Mitchum's mercenary in Mexico flicks,  Leone's & Eastwood's trilogy, Corbucci's "Zapata Westerns" and re-incarnates him as  "Benny" a decadent, gonzo, sleaze-ball piano-player/tourist clip-joint bar owner cum looser, on a quest for a $10,000 bounty on the head of an old acquaintance.

What Eastwood & Leone did for "Joe, Manco & Blondie"... an unshaven face, a squint, a cigar, and a poncho. Peckinpah & Oates do for a hard drinking "Benny",  a bell-bottomed leisure suited mustachioed, small timer club owner wearing and ridiculously large pair of shades, that manage too look very cool. Think of a cross of between a lounge lizard and a used car salesman. a Tom Waits who's also surprisingly, very good with a pistol, on a bargain basement quest for a bit of immortality.  

Instead of a horse, Benny 's pimp mobile of choice is what-else man...., a beat to sh*t mid 60's, oil burnnin', red Chey Impala convertible that's seen way better days, and leaves a contrail of blue smoke as it barrels Benny down the black tops and dirt tracks of rural Mexico straight down on a decent into hell.

What really elevates this film is the writing, Oates' one liners and the absolutely great dialogs are really cool and unforgettable.

Benny can be elevated to the Pantheon of Anti-Heroes.

Its got a lot of references to Film Noir and Spaghetti Western iconography, that cinematic memory magic, is working in this flick, so we Western & Neo Noir aficionados will feel right at home in this updated version of the Western. There are enough plot twists, bizarre and surreal situations that any David Lynch, Quentin Tarantino, Robert Rodriguez and  Cohen Brothers fans will get a kick out of this film too, Bravo!

*oh yea, it came out during my wild ass days in Montana so I guess I was living a similar though peacfull lifestyle, lol


So I brought this down to my old high school buddy who lives in East Atlantic Beach on Long Beach Island and it litterally blew him away. He couldn't stop talking about how you never see films like this anymore and how things have gotten too PC. It was as if he'd been sleep walking through the last 30 years and had forgotten how different films used to be.





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He kept mentioning how you'd never see a scene like the "Bennie discovers he got the crabs after sleeping with Elita" sequence or the hero driving a beatup piece of sheet Chevy, or the hero looking like Warren Oates for that matter. He wife just cracked up over the  "turning Elita around so she can sleep eternally with the headless Al" grave sequence.

It was great seeing the light go on in his head. Try it out sometime.  O0


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Kurug3n on July 23, 2007, 10:20:00 PM
actually there is but whatever.Once i get some money i am defiantly going to buy this as well as Five for Hell off xploitedcinema.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 23, 2007, 10:21:27 PM
cigar. Wow, I am so happy you made a thread about this. It's one of my favorite films of all time. It's a bloody brilliant MASTERPIECE. It was Sam Peckinpah's F U to Hollywood. That's what they call it. It's a personal story from SAM. This was a time in his life that he was struggling with alcohol and was not happy but what he produced under these conditions is aboslutely mind blowing. Nobody should miss this one, especially if you're a fan of Sam or even the western genre. It's another western disguised as an urban tale. The film opens up and you think it's a full blown western set in the 1800's!

Also, The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada is heavely influenced by This great film.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on July 23, 2007, 10:27:40 PM
Yea I though of this when watching Three Burials.  O0


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 23, 2007, 10:33:45 PM
Yea I though of this when watching Three Burials.  O0

Yeah. When I watched Three Burials for the first time, I thought it closely resembled Bring Me The Head, so when I was done watching it, I went to IMDB and looked up film connections and there it was, Bring Me The Head was listed.

I don't agree with every critic but I do know for a fact that one of the biggest critics i the country at the time, a young Roger Ebert praised this film. I don't always agree with Roger but I'd have to say he hit the nail on the coffin with this one. The movie is definitely a flat out masterpiece. It really shows what a man will go through when he has lost a loved one, and has nothing left to live for. They say Warren Oates was playing Sam Peckinpah in this film. He modled his character after him. I've read a lot up on this film. Interesting stuff.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Banjo on July 24, 2007, 01:32:37 AM
Ok, was doing a search for this and couldn't believe there was no seperate topic:
So I'll paste what I wrote before below the particulars:
Yeah that surprised me as well but i can only think we discussed before on a general Peckinpah thread.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Jill on July 24, 2007, 03:36:53 AM
It's in my top 3 Peckinpah films. Warren Oates just ROCKS. And I love it - a very Sam-ishg massacre... madness... paranoia...  O0

I feel Melquiades Estrada is very like to this movie. Like they were brothers. I'll like to see them in a double-pack dvd - two masterpieces...


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 24, 2007, 07:44:13 AM
Yeah that surprised me as well but i can only think we discussed before on a general Peckinpah thread.

I think you're right Banjo. I do remember raving about this film here months back after I watched it for the first time. I'm pretty sure it was just on a Sam Peckinpah titled thread.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: dave jenkins on July 24, 2007, 10:05:06 AM
Ok, was doing a search for this and couldn't believe there was no seperate topic:
So I'll paste what I wrote before below the particulars:
Okay, and I'll repost the link to the Roger Ebert review (which thread did we do this all on before?): http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19740801/REVIEWS/401010307/1023

Say what you like about Ebert, the guy sometimes displays excellent taste.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 24, 2007, 10:19:52 AM
Okay, and I'll repost the link to the Roger Ebert review (which thread did we do this all on before?): http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19740801/REVIEWS/401010307/1023

Say what you like about Ebert, the guy sometimes displays excellent taste.

I agree jenkins. Once in awhile he's spot on as he was right here. Great review! Thanks for posting.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 24, 2007, 10:22:39 AM
dave jenkins. I'll just list the review here for everyone. Great read!


Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia * * * * 4 stars.


BY ROGER EBERT
August 1, 1974
 

Sam Peckinpah's "Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia" is a weird, horrifying film that somehow transcends its unlikely material. It's the story of a drunken and violent odyssey across Mexico by a dropout bartender who, if he returns Alfredo Garcia's head, stands to be paid a million dollars. The head accompanies him in a burlap bag, tossed into the front seat of a beat-up old Ford convertible, and it gathers flies and symbolic meaning at about the same pace.

The movie is some kind of bizarre masterpiece. It's probably not a movie that most people would like, but violence, with Peckinpah, sometimes becomes a psychic ballet. His characters don't look for it, they don't like it, and they negotiate it with weariness and resignation. They're too beat up by life to get any kind of exhilaration from a fight. They've been in far too many fights already, and lost most of them, and the violence they encounter is just another cross to bear.

That's the case with Bennie, the antihero of "Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia." He's played by Warren Oates, one of that breed of movie actors who attract us, somehow, through their negative qualities. He's like some of the characters played by Jack Nicholson or Bruce Dern; we like him because he's suffered so much more than we ever will (we hope) that no matter what horrors he goes through, or inflicts, we still care about him.

Bennie is a bartender and plays a little piano, and he hears about the head of Alfredo Garcia from a couple of bounty hunters who pass through his saloon. They're played, by the way, by the unlikely team of Gig Young and Robert Webber, who between them define dissipation. Garcia's head is worth a million bucks because Garcia, it turns out, has impregnated the daughter of a rich Mexican industrialist. The millionaire is almost a caricature of macho compulsiveness; he simultaneously puts a price on the head of the culprit, and looks forward with pride to the birth of a grandson.

Bennie sees the million dollars as his ticket out of hell, and on the way to finding it he runs across Alfredo Garcia's former lover, Elita (Isela Vega, looking as moistly erotic as anyone since young Anna Magnani). They fall in love, or something; their relationship is complicated by Bennie's crude shyness and her own custom of being abused by men.

The most perversely interesting relationship in the movie, however, is the friendship that grows between Bennie and Alfredo's head, once Bennie has gotten possession of it. That's made somewhat easier by the fact that Alfredo, it turns out, is already dead. But there is a gruesome struggle over his grave, and once Bennie finally gets the head he has to kill to protect his prize. His drive across Mexico is fueled by blood and tequila, and about halfway through it we realize why Peckinpah set his movie in the present, instead of in the past; this same material wouldn't have worked as a historical Western. The conventions of the genre would have insulated us from the impact of what happens. There would have been horses and watering holes and clichés. Instead, we get unforgettable scenes of Warren Oates with that grisly burlap bag and the bottle next to him in the front seat, and the nakedness of his greed is inescapable.

Somewhere along the way Oates, as Bennie, makes a compact with the prize he begins to call "Al." They both loved the same woman, they are both being destroyed by the same member of an upper class, they're both poor bastards who never asked for their grief in life. And slowly, out of the haze of the booze and the depths of his suffering, Bennie allies himself with Al and against the slob with the money. "Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia" is Sam Peckinpah making movies flat out, giving us a desperate character he clearly loves, and asking us to somehow see past the horror and the blood to the sad poem he's trying to write about the human condition.



Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 24, 2007, 10:33:08 AM
I thought all of you would find this interesting as well. Here's Ebert's Review for "The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada" which he clearly compares it to "Bring Me The Head of Alfredo Garcia." Another interesting read comparing the two films.

The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada * * * * 4 stars.


BY ROGER EBERT / February 3, 2006
 
 
 "The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada" tells the kind of story that John Huston or Sam Peckinpah might have wanted to film. It begins with a bedrock of loyalty and honor between men, and mixes it with a little madness. In an era when hundreds of lives are casually destroyed in action movies, here is an entire film in which one life is honored, and one death is avenged.

The director and star is Tommy Lee Jones, and the story proceeds directly from fundamental impulses we sense in many of his screen appearances. Jones is most at home in characters who mean business and do not suffer fools gladly. Here he plays Pete Perkins, the hard-working operator of a small cattle operation, who hires an illegal Mexican immigrant named Melquiades Estrada (Julio Cedillo) to work as a cowboy for him. When Melquiades is killed in a stupid shooting involving a rookie agent for the Border Patrol, Pete sees that the local sheriff (Dwight Yoakam) is going to ignore the case. So Pete takes justice into his own hands. And not simple justice, which might involve killing the agent, but poetic justice, which elevates the movie into the realms of parable.

All the action takes place in a small border town of appalling poverty of spirit. This is a hard land for men, and a heartbreaking one for women. We meet two in particular. Lou Ann Norton (January Jones) is the wife of Mike, the border patrolman. Rachel (Melissa Leo) is the waitress in the local restaurant, married to Bob the owner but available for afternoons in motel rooms, not because she is a prostitute but because she is friendly and bored.

The story is told in links between the present and the recent past; the writer, Guillermo Arriaga ("21 Grams") was honored at Cannes 2005 as best writer, and Jones was named best actor. We see that the Border Patrol agent Mike Norton (Barry Pepper) is violent and cruel, perhaps as a way of masking his insecurity. He beats up a woman trying to enter the country, and is told by his commander, "You were way overboard there, boy." He lives in a mobile home with Lou Ann, who watches soap operas during sex and hangs out at the diner with Rachel because there is absolutely nothing else to do.

The lives of these characters, including Melquiades, are connected in ways that I will not reveal, and which show how they all have two avenues of communication: the public, and the personal. Some of the hidden connections produce ironies that only we understand, since the characters don't know as much about each other as we do.

The main line of the movie forms as Pete Perkins kidnaps Mike Norton, handcuffs him and explains to him that Melquiades Estrada, the dead Mexican, was his friend. Melquiades often talked about his village in Mexico, Pete says, and about his wife and family. Now Mike is going to dig up Melquiades' body, and the two men are going to ride into Mexico, return the dead man to his village and give him a proper burial.

This is a process involving a good deal of gruesome labor. I was reminded of the Peckinpah masterpiece "Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia," which is also about a journey through Mexico with a dead man -- or more exactly with his head, which suggests that the rest of the man is dead, too, and is quite enough to draw flies. Mike gags as he digs up the body, and Pete is practical about the problems they face: He fills the corpse with anti-freeze.

The horseback journey of the two men is a learning experience, shall we say, for Mike the border patrolman. He begins with threats and defiance, tearfully tries to explain how the shooting of Melquiades was a stupid accident, is finally mired in sullen despair. Of their adventures along the way, two are remarkable. One involves an old blind man, living alone, who suspects his son in the city may have died. He welcomes them, offers them what he has, then makes a haunting request. The other comes when Mike is bitten by a snake, and his life is saved by a woman who has no reason to do so. This scene also has a poetic resolution.

The journey and its end will involve more discoveries and more surprises; it traverses the same kinds of doomed landscapes we picture when we read Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy. What gathers in this story of lonely men and deep impulses is a kind of grandeur; Tommy Lee Jones plays Pete Perkins not as a hero but as a man who looks at what has happened to his friend and responds according to the opportunities at hand. He is a man who never puts two and two together without getting exactly four.

There is one word at the end of the film that carries a burden that a long speech could not have dealt with. It is a word that is also used near the beginning of the film. It contains whatever message Jones finds at the end of the journey. As for the rest, the journey of his body and the burials of Melquiades Estrada are like an opportunity for all of the characters in the movie to discover who they are and what they are made of. By the end of the film no one is watching TV.



Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Jill on July 24, 2007, 11:55:29 AM
Good reviews  ;)

I think both films are a kind of "postmodern" western. I was happy to see Melquiades Estrada - finally a normal, good directed movie, who has something deeper in itself. No super-heroes, no CGI, no "action-flyin-shootin-blowin-in-every-five-minutes".
Well, it seems the men in Cannes know better what a good film is as the men in the Academy...  ;D


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 24, 2007, 12:34:32 PM
Good reviews  ;)

I think both films are a kind of "postmodern" western. I was happy to see Melquiades Estrada - finally a normal, good directed movie, who has something deeper in itself. No super-heroes, no CGI, no "action-flyin-shootin-blowin-in-every-five-minutes".
Well, it seems the men in Cannes know better what a good film is as the men in the Academy...  ;D

I agree Jill. Cannes usually gets the Awards right year in and year out while the Academy continues to be political.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: The Firecracker on July 24, 2007, 03:19:40 PM


<spoilers>

He kept mentioning how you'd never see a scene like the "Bennie discovers he got the crabs after sleeping with Elita" sequence or the hero driving a beatup piece of sheet Chevy, or the hero looking like Warren Oates for that matter. He wife just cracke up over the  "turning Elita around so she can sleep eternally with the headless Al" grave sequence.




Very True.
.................


Sadly, this was another Peckinpah movie I didn't care for.
Has a great opener but afterwards it dawdles until Elita is left on Al's grave.

Joe, I can't see any bizarre plot twists in this movie, can you point them out?


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on July 24, 2007, 04:43:28 PM
Quote
Joe, I can't see any bizarre plot twists in this movie, can you point them out?

I should have just said bizarre situations.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 26, 2007, 09:03:59 AM
Anybody else here a big fan of this great film?


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: dave jenkins on July 26, 2007, 09:36:51 AM
GUTS

You've either got them, or you don't.

Sam Peckinpah had the guts to bring a
new kind of violent reality to the screen in
The Wild Bunch and Straw Dogs.
He's been praised and panned, awarded
and attacked. And he's kept on making
his kind of movies, his way.

His newest, set in modern-day Mexico, is a
story of violence and greed and revenge. . .
and love and courage and loyalty. It tells of
a desperate man risking everything on a
last, desperate chance. . . and a much-used
woman accepting lust only to discover love.

It's bound to provoke controversy. . .
cheered by some as a new classic in the
mold of "Treasure of Sierra Madre" . . .cursed
by others as a bloody and brutal hymn to
machismo. On one point, all can agree.
Like its maker, Sam Peckinpah,
Bring Me The Head of Alfredo Garcia
is uncompromising, unyielding, uncensored.

In short, it's got guts.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 26, 2007, 09:48:17 AM
That's on the Poster I own! I love that!


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: dave jenkins on July 26, 2007, 10:21:41 AM
How 'bout this one:

After you've put
your lover in
another man's grave,
you stop dreaming . . .
and start killing.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 27, 2007, 12:15:13 PM
How 'bout this one:

After you've put
your lover in
another man's grave,
you stop dreaming . . .
and start killing.

That's awesome too! Where did you find that one?


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: dave jenkins on July 27, 2007, 01:30:34 PM
Not sure of the original source. It's on the Japanese collector's DVD, along with:

Why is
his head
worth
one million
dollars
and the
lives of
21 people?


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 27, 2007, 03:44:21 PM
Not sure of the original source. It's on the Japanese collector's DVD, along with:

Why is
his head
worth
one million
dollars
and the
lives of
21 people?

That's pretty cool too. It's amazing though, I wonder how well this film would do if it was re-released today. They should bring films like this back out again and release them.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 10, 2007, 10:55:01 AM
Bring Me The Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974) 10/10

I had to bring this back out after cigar started a thread about it. I got excited in seeing it again. The film just gets better and better with repeated viewings. Warren Oates is AWESOME in this film, period. Another reason why I regard him as a legend.

How can you not love the quotes as well...

"You guys are definitely on my shit list!"

"I've been no place I wanna go back to, that's for damn sure."

"Listen. The church cuts off the feet, fingers, any other goddamn thing from the saints, don't they? Well, what the hell? Alfredo's our saint. He's the saint of our money, and I'm gonna borrow a piece of him."

"a double bourbon with a champagne back, none of your tijano bullshit, and fuck off."


hahaha classic.




Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 10, 2007, 02:10:20 PM
For those of you who've seen this.....***SPOILER'S AHEAD***














I've never really had a in depth conversation about this film. There's always been some thing's I wanted to talk about.

When Elita (Isela Vega) is murdered, do you think Bennie (Warren Oates) loses all his love for her right then and there, because he thinks she still loves Alfredo? When Bennie wakes up gasping for air from the grave and finds Elita dead, he starts putting her down after realizing he can't revive her. If you remember before Elita is killed, she was crying because Bennie was digging up Alfredo's grave. Was she crying because she doesn't believe in digging up the dead, or was she crying because after all she really did love Alfredo and not Bennie. It really seemed like that to me that Elita really did not love Bennie right then and there. What do you think? I think there's room for debate here.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: dave jenkins on August 10, 2007, 10:53:33 PM
Why can't she love both Bennie and Alfredo? And yeah, desecrating the grave of someone you care about can be a traumatic experience. So can being disappointed in someone you love. That pretty much sums up the girl's situation in the grave-robbing scene, so no wonder she was crying.

Later, when Bennie has taken the head, he invests it with such significance that it comes to symbolize all he cares about, including his love for Elita. That's part of what's going on when he cools it off in the shower, the same place where earlier Elita had been . . .


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: tucumcari bound on August 10, 2007, 11:07:56 PM
Why can't she love both Bennie and Alfredo? And yeah, desecrating the grave of someone you care about can be a traumatic experience. So can being disappointed in someone you love. That pretty much sums up the girl's situation in the grave-robbing scene, so no wonder she was crying.

Later, when Bennie has taken the head, he invests it with such significance that it comes to symbolize all he cares about, including his love for Elita. That's part of what's going on when he cools it off in the shower, the same place where earlier Elita had been . . .

Yeah, I wasn't saying she couldn't love both Bennie and Alfredo. I was just staying, maybe she just loved Bennie in a different way than Alfredo. Maybe she cared for Bennie and loved him, but from the looks of it, I DON'T THINK she was over Alfredo. Yes, the digging up of the grave may have caused her to break down all in itself. That is a traumatic experience watching for some people I'm sure.

You make good points jenkins, thanks for your insight.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Kurug3n on September 21, 2007, 11:02:56 PM
Its showing at 1 am tonight on the Encore Western Channel hopefully its worth it  >:(


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: tucumcari bound on September 21, 2007, 11:17:08 PM
Its showing at 1 am tonight on the Encore Western Channel hopefully its worth it  >:(

Well it's a classic to me. I hope you like it.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Ben Tyreen on September 30, 2007, 06:04:53 PM
Quote
Its showing at 1 am tonight on the Encore Western Channel hopefully its worth it 

  Get a chance to watch it, kurugen?  If you missed it, I see the dvd for like 9.99 at Best Buy all the time.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Kurug3n on September 30, 2007, 06:09:33 PM
  Get a chance to watch it, kurugen?  If you missed it, I see the dvd for like 9.99 at Best Buy all the time.

No, because my sister had a slumber party and decided to make camp in the living room  :-\ I could buy it but at the moment i can't


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Whalestoe on October 01, 2007, 01:34:40 AM
My copy should be at my house this week. Pretty excited - first viewing of this Peckinpah film!


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Amaze on October 02, 2007, 03:43:03 PM
here's an older topic, bit lengthy as well:

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1759.0

I'll have to see the movie again I think, dont remember much. found a brief comment of mine saying:

not sure if I like it or not. very surreal movie.
but it was good performance by warren oates as an alcoholic loser obsessed with his task.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Jill on October 03, 2007, 05:27:05 AM
Absolutely great. All in it what we love in ol' Sam. Blood, violence, surrealism, lyrism (I dunno if this word exists), madness...

We can watch it too as an allegory about him. In a documentary they said Oates was playing in fact Sam.  ;) He had a lot of trouble with the studio bosses. In PG&BtK he sold himself and killed his dreams of youth. In this he says something like this: 'Ya know what, SOBs? F*** you and die!' And his alterego kills them all.  >:D


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: mike siegel on October 03, 2007, 09:48:53 AM
When Peckinpah was asked why he did choose to make films like STRAW DOGS, GETAWAY, CROSS OF IRON...
he always replied 'I never chose anything, those were all jobs - and I try to do the best of it (he did, my hero).
The only thing I chose was ALFREDO GARCIA..'

After the PAT GARRETT nightmare it was like vacation for him: small budget (no big risks), in Mexico with his friends (and without a studio... It was the 'little film' John Ford once advised film makers should make between big productions.
Warren Oates plays Sam by the way.

More stories in the WARREN OATES Thread..

Who recognizes the guy on the left :)

(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1612/7186524/17740665/281467204.jpg)


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Amaze on October 03, 2007, 01:52:34 PM
I believe that's alfredo who we only see once in the movie. no idea who it really is tho


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Ben Tyreen on October 03, 2007, 06:26:22 PM
Quote
I believe that's alfredo who we only see once in the movie. no idea who it really is tho

  It's Jorge Russek, isn't it?  He's one of the men tracking Bennie.  Russek's in The Wild Bunch, PG & BTK, Hour of the Gun and any number of other westerns.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: tucumcari bound on October 03, 2007, 07:19:20 PM
When Peckinpah was asked why he did choose to make films like STRAW DOGS, GETAWAY, CROSS OF IRON...
he always replied 'I never chose anything, those were all jobs - and I try to do the best of it (he did, my hero).
The only thing I chose was ALFREDO GARCIA..'

After the PAT GARRETT nightmare it was like vacation for him: small budget (no big risks), in Mexico with his friends (and without a studio... It was the 'little film' John Ford once advised film makers should make between big productions.
Warren Oates plays Sam by the way.

More stories in the WARREN OATES Thread..

Who recognizes the guy on the left :)

(http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1612/7186524/17740665/281467204.jpg)

Great picture mike!


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Amaze on October 03, 2007, 11:33:33 PM
it so happens that I already posted the photo here:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/amaze/jejeje.jpg)

thats him isnt it?


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: mike siegel on October 04, 2007, 02:45:13 AM
Ben won the award. You're carrying your Peckinpah-avatar with pride :)
Right, Jorge Russek!  He was also Dirty Lyle's seargent in CONVOY..


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Jill on October 04, 2007, 02:54:08 AM
Sam is great. I really would like if Alfredo Garcia would be released on dvd on Hungary, too... it's so good. They should make a nice double set from this and Melquiades Estrada. They are really brother movies.  O0


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: manuel on October 18, 2008, 12:44:28 AM
This is a great well made film. nce the credits roll, I think to myself that was a masterpiece.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: noodles_leone on January 23, 2009, 07:23:03 PM
I enjoy "Straw Dogs" as well but it's difficult for me to take the climax seriously because I can't help but think of the climax to the family film "Home Alone".

Kevin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hoffman
He got 2 bandits almost alone without weapon!


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: dave jenkins on January 23, 2009, 07:45:06 PM
Hmmm, you've got me thinking remake: Home Alone: The Siege at Trencher's Farm. The night they came for Kevin . . . He Was Ready!


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: Robert Muller on September 11, 2010, 01:14:48 PM
Most or all Sergio Leone fans do have a weak spot for Sam Peckinpah as well. And, as far as I know, only Wild Bunch, Getaway and Strawdogs are available in Blu-ray. By chance I noticed on a Spanish on-line shop (www.DVDGO.com) that ¨the head of Garcia¨ is available there in Blu-ray under the name ¨Quierdo la Cabeza de Alfredo Garcia¨. I ordered it, and I am very happy with the quality.....in any case much-much better then any other release I have ever seen. The DVD has an English language option. That particular website also can be seen in English.
Is there any information on other Blu-ray titles?


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on October 10, 2010, 10:11:50 PM
Just watched this again today will write more later.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: mike siegel on October 11, 2010, 03:05:55 AM
Actually the only film Sam really considered to be his own project.
Most people think that most of his films were his first choice, yet
they weren't. In the process he made them 'Peckinpah-films',
but GARCIA was the only one he really wanted to make - he even
made it low-budget on produced himself.
Of course it flopped :(

(http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae15/peckinpah69/sam/garcia-bts-2xx-kl.jpg)
(http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae15/peckinpah69/sam/samj1xx-kl.jpg)


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on October 12, 2010, 10:43:20 PM
I'm still digesting this film will jot down some impressions in the near future, anyway, BTY, anybody ever notice that when Sappensly (Robert Webber) and  Quill (Gig Young) first produce Alfredo Garcia's picture and show it to Bennie we hear the sound of Alfredo's the car wreck?, this is the first time I've heard it or noticed this preview linkage.
   


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on October 13, 2010, 08:16:20 AM
More impressions and points to ponder. Also need some translations.

First it would be nice to know what Emilio Fernández, El Jefe is saying/reading as his daughter is brought into the great hall. Is it a family service with him presiding or something else? It would be nice to get a translation and an insight on this.

Did you ever notice during the introduction sequence of  Sappensly and Quill, just before Max arrives, Sappensly snaps his fingers at some hotel staff to get them on their feet. So does this imply that Sappensly and Quill have a legit cover as hoteliers who happen to be also be professional bounty hunters?

Once you know of the homosexual relationship between Sappensly and Quill it gives you a heightened foreboding feeling. It makes them even more dangerous realizing that they are really looking out for each other and not just professionally.

Watch this in repeated viewings with the above in mind and thinking of  Peckinpah's twisted take on Rick's Place in "Casablanca",  Bennie's Tlaquepaque tourist bar sequence. Bennie in control perched back against the wall playing the piano singing the tourists out and watching the impeccably dressed Sappensly and Quill enter and question his cartoonishly costumed staff and watching their reactions to the photo of Alfredo. Bennie in total control "First drinks on the house, gentlemen"  calling them over to see what they want, waiter arrives and Bennie saying to Paulo "take care of those gentlemen" giving the cue signal, prompting his bar crew into what looks like a well rehearsed course of action, the two whores arrive one for arm of each hit man.  The first hint of trouble registering when he asks Sappensly and Quill "something for the ladies" implying they buy the whores a drink and Quill replies "burro piss". Watch Sappensly display discomfort and his look of disgust at Quill, and Quill's disapproving glance at his lap and the at the whore stroking Sappensly's tubesteak, and then once Sappensly knocks her out the side show stops the other patrons about the piano exit and all pretense is gone, all normal scenarios go right out the window.

Bennie is face to face with serious trouble but he continues to try and remain cool babbling small talk until Quill asks him point blank if he "knows a lot of studs around here" with a sheepish grin. Now, just what is Quill implying with that double edged question, and Quill kind of reinforces his innuendo's, during his description of Al "he's quite the ladies man, his name is Alfredo Garcia, maybe you can help us find him, about thirty, sometimes he calls himself Al... Garcia, he speaks English, Spanish, and a little French" , Gill says French with a weird grin while Sappensly sort of chuckles silently are they implying that they know Al Garcia is Bi or that simply he likes to use his tongue, it could go either way? You wouldn't pick up on this details stuff the first go through on the film.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: T.H. on October 13, 2010, 11:15:40 AM
Actually the only film Sam really considered to be his own project.
Most people think that most of his films were his first choice, yet
they weren't. In the process he made them 'Peckinpah-films',
but GARCIA was the only one he really wanted to make - he even
made it low-budget on produced himself.
Of course it flopped :(

What about Cable Hogue? He considered that his favorite.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: mike siegel on October 13, 2010, 02:36:22 PM
I'm sure CABLE was one his three or four favorites. But like all smart film makers he mentioned
it very often to support it because it wasn't released very well by the studio. Also it's important at
which time such statements were made.
Yet CABLE was not his original idea / script. It was very close to Peckinpah and he saw it
as a dedication to his ancestors who were pioneers in 19th century California.
But GARCIA was ALL his. Sort of 'Sam as independent film maker' if you wish..

You can ask almost every film maker 'Which film would YOU like to make?' (for those who
are not to familiar with the movie making facts - this is not the way it usually works. Not unless
you were Kubrick or you actually have your own studio :)). GARCIA was that film for Sam.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: dave jenkins on October 13, 2010, 03:33:55 PM
Bennie is face to face with serious trouble but he continues to try and remain cool babbling small talk until Quill asks him point blank if he "knows a lot of studs around here" with a sheepish grin. Now, just what is Quill implying with that double edged question, and Quill kind of reinforces his innuendo's, during his description of Al "he's quite the ladies man, his name is Alfredo Garcia, maybe you can help us find him, about thirty, sometimes he calls himself Al... Garcia, he speaks English, Spanish, and a little French" , Gill says French with a weird grin while Sappensly sort of chuckles silently are they implying that they know Al Garcia is Bi or that simply he likes to use his tongue, it could go either way? You wouldn't pick up on this details stuff the first go through on the film.
Don't forget that one of the men--I think it's Gig Young--tells Bennie he's "Fred C. Dobbs," signaling, as we now know, his strong interest in burros. >:D


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on October 13, 2010, 03:35:09 PM
So Mike being the resident Peckinpah expert do you know what Emilio Fernández's lines are?


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: mike siegel on October 13, 2010, 05:15:57 PM
I have the 'bad' habbit of watching Sam's films almost only in 35mm. So I saw GARCIA only 3 times I guess.
(Don't know it by heart)

I'll take the opportunity to finally check out my DVD :)
And see how my Spanish suffered over the years..


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on October 13, 2010, 06:44:34 PM
I have the 'bad' habbit of watching Sam's films almost only in 35mm. So I saw GARCIA only 3 times I guess.
(Don't know it by heart)

I'll take the opportunity to finally check out my DVD :)
And see how my Spanish suffered over the years..


No problem, take your time I'm just surprised it has never been brought up before here or on Imdb.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: T.H. on October 18, 2010, 11:01:01 PM
I'm sure CABLE was one his three or four favorites. But like all smart film makers he mentioned
it very often to support it because it wasn't released very well by the studio. Also it's important at
which time such statements were made.
Yet CABLE was not his original idea / script. It was very close to Peckinpah and he saw it
as a dedication to his ancestors who were pioneers in 19th century California.
But GARCIA was ALL his. Sort of 'Sam as independent film maker' if you wish..

You can ask almost every film maker 'Which film would YOU like to make?' (for those who
are not to familiar with the movie making facts - this is not the way it usually works. Not unless
you were Kubrick or you actually have your own studio :)). GARCIA was that film for Sam.

Thanks for the information. I was confused because I heard Peckinpah would either screen Hogue when he made appearances and/or tell people to watch it if they were interested in his work - something along those lines.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: titoli on February 26, 2013, 06:13:55 PM
As promised a few years ago I gave this a third try and this time it worked better. Was the dubbing so bad the other two, I wonder? All in all it works well, but I share Firecracker's view that the sentimental scenes and the attempted rape slow down the rhythm. The second could have been easily cut, while the love scenes, though they are important to explain Oates' obsession with revenge, little rhyme with his earlier beahviour toward Vega, treating her like the whore she is, especially after having seen her accepting  fat Kristofferson's violent courtship. Even Fielding's OST doesn't rhyme always with the images, but I give it a 8\10 because of some well-made scene, like the ones featuring Webber and Young (had completely forgotten about them being here).

CJ: the italian dvd has subtitles for the spanish dialogues too. But I presume you're referring to the lines in Latin recited by Fernandez.


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: cigar joe on February 26, 2013, 07:00:57 PM

CJ: the italian dvd has subtitles for the spanish dialogues too. But I presume you're referring to the lines in Latin recited by Fernandez.

probably


Title: Re: Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
Post by: dave jenkins on February 21, 2014, 11:03:39 AM
The TT Blu is now available to pre-order: http://www1.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/26733/BRING-ME-THE-HEAD-OF-ALFREDO-GARCIA-1974/