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Title: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Nobody on April 04, 2005, 09:19:13 AM
After going through a long period mainly watching serious "art-films", I needed something lighter. First Sergio, then Peckinpah, and then I ended up going through earlier Walter Hill films. I really think this guy is an underappreciated filmmaker. Sure, he hasn't had a huge hit since -82, but has made several great films since then.

I think he decerves a mention on this board for the westerns he has made. The Long Riders may be one of the finest westerns made the last 25 years, and Wild Bill one of the most underrated films of the nineties. He also remade Yojimbo/Fistful. Apart from westerns, he has made The Driver,which in my opinion is the best "car-chase" film ever made, and Undisputed was an extremely enjoyable nod towards B-pictures of the 40's-50's. Extreme Prejudice is a campy, although very stylish Peckinpah homage.

Still, his greatest achievment is Southern Comfort. A fascinating allegory of the Vietnam War. Incredible cinematography, great performances by a cast led by Powers Boothe and Keith Carradine, and terrific score by Ry Cooder.

Am I the only one with a soft spot for Walter Hill here? As a side note, he also directed the pilot for HBO's fantastic western series, Deadwood. Do yourself a favour and check it out if you haven't done so already.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Belkin on April 04, 2005, 03:02:06 PM
I love Hill's work. If you haven't seen em', check out; HARD TIMES with BRONSON and COBURN, a slow burning classic; also; THE WARRIORS; CROSSROADS and the ultra classic THE GETAWAY (screenplay only). THE LONG RIDERS; DRIVER and SOUTHERN COMFORT (and the above mentioned) always make my top 20 list. I hope he gets to direct more episodes of DEADWOOD.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: KERMIT on April 04, 2005, 09:41:25 PM
hill wrote the getaway for peckinpah. has anyone read the kind of realationship these two men had together.
i can't nail a MR. WALTER HILL favorite.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Blueberry on April 05, 2005, 07:03:10 AM
Like you guys I am a very big fan of Southern Comfort. It's released as a discount DVD here and I was very joyful having bought it for the equivalent of 5$. The movie rocks in the same way as Deliverance, of which it has a hard time hiding it's debt.

Brion James, who plays the indigenous swamp prisoner of the band of brothers, was good back in them days. This part is excellent. Likewise his part as Leon in Blade Runner. He's got kind of a Leone-face.

And yes, Ry Cooders soundtrack... reminds a man of Jarmusch's Dead Man and the merciless Neil Young soundtrack.

Don't remember Long Riders and Hard Times, they are now on my list. Thanks.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Nobody on April 05, 2005, 09:17:56 AM
Haven't seen Crossroads, but bought it today.

As far as his relationship with Peckinpah, it's one of his favourite directors, toghether with Howard Hawks, John Ford, John Huston, and, you guessed it, Sergio Leone. At least according to his imdb biography page. Of these five directors, two of them directed films written by Walter Hill: John Huston and Peckkinpah. Lucky Guy. I doubt he had much to do with Peckinpah apart from that. As far as I know, he tried to make anyone he worked with dislike him. Plus, I don't know if Walter Hill is as good with the liquor as Peckinpah was. Hill also co-wrote the remake of The Getaway. I don't remember that one being much good, but I love the original, and it will be getting the special edition treatment next month...


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Bill Carson on April 06, 2005, 10:56:46 AM
 8) hola amigos - my favourite Hill films are THE WARRIORS and SOUTHERN COMFORT. TRESPASS and STREETS OF FIRE were fun also.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Nobody on April 08, 2005, 07:20:08 AM
I've been continuing my marathon, and have seen the two films I had not seen before: Crossroads and Supernova.

Hill took his name of Supernova, so I did not expect much, but this film could have been much worse. It did lose itself during the final 30 minutes, but it wasn't a turkey.

Crossroads is one of two films he did with no action in it at all. The other one was the awful Brewster's Millions. Crossroads was a lot better. It was fun seeing Ralph "The Karate Kid" Macchio again. Can't say I was impressed by Jami Gertz though. Still, it was a film about blues, so there was a lot of great music.

The next Hill film on the agenda will be Red Heat. Haven't seen that one since grade school. Not exactly a classic, but strangely enough, the only one of his films which have received the special edition treatment.

Finally a question: According to Southern Comforts trivia page on imdb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083111/trivia), this film is a semi-sequel to The Warriors. I don't see the connection. Is there anyone who does?


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Bill Carson on April 09, 2005, 05:33:04 AM
I've been continuing my marathon, and have seen the two films I had not seen before: Crossroads and Supernova.

Hill took his name of Supernova, so I did not expect much, but this film could have been much worse. It did lose itself during the final 30 minutes, but it wasn't a turkey.

Crossroads is one of two films he did with no action in it at all. The other one was the awful Brewster's Millions. Crossroads was a lot better. It was fun seeing Ralph "The Karate Kid" Macchio again. Can't say I was impressed by Jami Gertz though. Still, it was a film about blues, so there was a lot of great music.

The next Hill film on the agenda will be Red Heat. Haven't seen that one since grade school. Not exactly a classic, but strangely enough, the only one of his films which have received the special edition treatment.

Finally a question: According to Southern Comforts trivia page on imdb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083111/trivia), this film is a semi-sequel to The Warriors. I don't see the connection. Is there anyone who does?

 8) hola Nobody. I also read that byte about SOUTHERN COMFORT being a semi-sequel to THE WARRIORS. both films have the obvious connection of a group of guys fighting for survival in a hostile environment and with a lot of tension within the groups themselves. I think 'follow-up' would be a more appropiate term.  little fact: Sonny Landham ('Billy' from PREDATOR) played a New York Cop in THE WARRIORS and one of the cajuns in SOUTHERN COMFORT.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Nobody on April 10, 2005, 09:47:44 AM
Sonny also was one of the bad guys in 48 hours.

I still wouldn't call it a semi-sequel or even a follow-up. Arguments are too thin. You might as well call Saving Private Ryan a follow-up. A group of soldiers in a hostile environment , and tension within the group.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: deMaie on April 11, 2005, 06:36:57 PM
Hi Guys, been a while.

I like Walter Hill movies when they are his original stories.
I saw The Warriors a long time ago, I was tripping on the
movie poster alone  :) . I craved The Driver. Love The Long
Riders, and Streets of Fire(mind-bogling setting).
But when he does a 'remake' of Peckinpaw,  I don't like.
Extreme Prejudice(Wild Bunch remake).

I can't stand Another 48 Hrs. and Last Man Standing.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: JamesK on December 06, 2005, 10:27:19 AM
Am I the only one with a soft spot for Walter Hill here?

No, I'm with you in that I feel Hill is a sorely underappreciated director.  He singlehandedly created the buddy cop action/comedy subgenre with 48 Hours (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/6305252572/thekosubs) and made probably the ultimate cult film, The Warriors (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000A6T1JU/thekosubs).  I've watched everything he's ever done, though I found much of what he's made after 1990 to be of lesser quality than his work in the '80s.

My hands-down Walter Hill favorite: Extreme Prejudice (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005QCVU/thekosubs), from 1987.  Unfortunately the DVD release is a lousy pan-and-scan, so I haven't been able to add it to my collection in good conscience.  Bleh.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Leone Admirer on December 06, 2005, 10:32:35 AM
I very much enjoyed The Warriors and have yet to check out his newly released DC DVD (though I hear the only things put back in are some Comic Strip Effects). I also recently played the game, shown to me by my cousion and I was surprised by how good that was.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: JamesK on December 06, 2005, 10:46:10 AM
I very much enjoyed The Warriors and have yet to check out his newly released DC DVD (though I hear the only things put back in are some Comic Strip Effects). I also recently played the game, shown to me by my cousion and I was surprised by how good that was.

Yeah, I'd definitely like to check out the game.  It's gotten excellent reviews across the board, and is largely adored by even the most rabid fans of the film, so it's clearly doing something right.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Leone Admirer on December 06, 2005, 10:50:21 AM
I was introduced to the game by being told that the player could "dig a garden trowel into the opponent of another" which rather put me off the game but playing it, especially in the co-op mode was rather enjoyable.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: dave jenkins on May 16, 2009, 05:39:29 PM
http://www.hulu.com/watch/73260/hard-times


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Whalestoe on May 16, 2009, 06:06:17 PM
http://www.hulu.com/watch/73260/hard-times

Best post all day. O0 O0 O0


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: T.H. on October 31, 2009, 01:49:43 AM
http://thehollywoodinterview.blogspot.com/2009/09/walter-hill-hollywood-interview.html (http://thehollywoodinterview.blogspot.com/2009/09/walter-hill-hollywood-interview.html)

Great read, well worth it.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Dust Devil on October 31, 2009, 04:22:10 AM
http://thehollywoodinterview.blogspot.com/2009/09/walter-hill-hollywood-interview.html (http://thehollywoodinterview.blogspot.com/2009/09/walter-hill-hollywood-interview.html)

Great read, well worth it.

Many thanks for posting this! O0

Excellent interview, Walter Hill is a true movie intellectual, I hope we'll see more from him as a director. 8)


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: T.H. on October 31, 2009, 12:32:35 PM
Very bright guy. I really like his work too.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Amaze on November 06, 2009, 03:56:56 PM
If it wasn't for Deadwood I probably wouldn't even know his name. Strangely enough he only directed the pilot, I was sure he did several.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: cigar joe on November 06, 2009, 04:20:52 PM
Yea thanks for that  O0


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: T.H. on November 07, 2009, 01:53:12 PM
Hill has quietly had a pretty damn respectable career: Southern Comfort, The Warriors, The Long Riders, 48 Hours, The Driver (great carchase movie), Hard Times, Last Man Standing and Streets of Fire. He also wrote The Getaway and Aliens, the latter I'm not crazy about.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: dave jenkins on November 07, 2009, 04:40:53 PM
I finally followed the link to the interview and . . . man, that's what I call an interview! O0


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: cigar joe on November 08, 2009, 03:00:05 PM
http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=6878.0

Bruce Willis plays the "samurai NWNN" character "John Smith". You see him first in what looks like a model A driving across the Texas desert its a short sequence, too short. From his narrative he is a man on the run possibly an ex gangster, not the Continental Op. Not a whole lot of Western Landscape featured in this film (if it had and opening sequence like the Cohen Bros. "No Country For Old Men" it would have definitely given it a more Western feel).

There are a few shots of the desert but they are not stunningly beautiful. It comes off as a result more like a gangster flick which is truer to Hammett's "Red Harvest" than both previous film adaptations. So Willis arrives in a town 50 miles from the Mexican border where most of the action takes place. This time around the two rival bootlegging gangs are Italian headed by Fredo Strozzi & Irish led by Doyle. Willis has an opening confrontation with the Irish led gang then meets the owner of a bar Joe Monday (William Sanderson the actor from the "Bob Newhart Show" and recently "Deadwood" who has basically the Silvanito part.

Willis arms himself with two Colt Automatics and goes out & does what approximates a "apologize to my mule" riff that comes off flat, there is no "get three coffins ready" line, nada, its not cool in the least. In fact the only reference to a coffin maker is a shot of bodies in the window of a funeral home and a smiling undertaker. Afterward he offers his services to the Italians one of whom is played by Michael Imperioli from "The Sopranos".

It has almost all the major elements of AFOD & Yojimbo with extras added from Red Harvest, but it doesn't have the picaresque use dead bodies in AFOD. It does have the "Baxter Massacre" a burning road house sequence whose victims are the Italian gang (this is from two sequences in Red Harvest the first is a road house massacre the second is a bootleggers warehouse. It does have an over use of a lot of automatic weapons which becomes redundant in every shootout and  there impact which should have been empathized becomes watered down. Another missing in action element is the buildup tension before each showdown, Hill homages Peckinpah rather than Leone.

This film does have the Marisol character here called Felina minus her family, and adds two more "floozies" for good measure one is a love interest for Willis. It also has Bruce Dern as a crooked sheriff Ed Gault (which is loosely based on police chief Noonan in Red Harvest) but his character becomes a fusion of the Piperio & Sivanito parts in AFOD rather than the crook he is in Red Harvest. So we have almost two Silvanitos in "Last Man Standing.  Christoffer Walken plays "Hickey" a bad ass gangster/hitman aligned with the Irish gang who speaks in a harsh whisper and this character is actually based on "Whisper" from Red Harvest.

There is a scene where Smith (Willis) is beaten by the gang and left in a warehouse with a ramp (just like in AFOD) but for some strange reason the ramp goes down from the doorway and its not used by Willis who simply just grabs one of the gang men and uses his gun to shoot the other before making his escape.

There are some scenes shot through distorted glass that I noticed that created a impressionistic look to some shots but that was the extent of the creativity.

You'd think they would have at least tried to make something as good as either Yojimbo Or AFOD but they don't even come close.

Walter Hill was great on the Long Riders but since then hasn't really done anything outstanding in film save for Geronimo and one episode of Deadwood.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: mike siegel on November 08, 2009, 03:42:15 PM
I saw LAST MAN in the biggest cinema in Munich when it came out (played only two weeks).
I never saw it again, but I liked it a lot. Not mainstream at all.
It was so great to see something different at that time, when the real Hollywood crap
really started to occupy every screen in the world and every action picture had the same plot and dialogue as the following one.

Have to see it again.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: titoli on March 19, 2010, 07:28:12 PM
The Driver (1978) - Good action movie. O'Neal is catatonic as usual but the character helps him a little. Dern is hamming it too much. But the pacing is good. 7\10


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: titoli on April 26, 2010, 10:47:19 PM
Hard Times (1975) I saw it in a theatre and then again repeatedly over the years on tv but only yesterday on dvd. And the only fault I find with it is that the fights are not bloody at all when they should be given their roughness. So it's only a 9\10.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Groggy on April 27, 2010, 10:04:05 AM
Hard Times (1975) I saw it in a theatre and then again repeatedly over the years on tv but only yesterday on dvd. And the only fault I find with it is that the fights are not bloody at all when they should be given their roughness. So it's only a 9\10.

I'd give it a 7/10.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: dave jenkins on April 27, 2010, 10:16:34 AM
Yeah. It seems to be a film without any point whatsoever.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: titoli on November 02, 2010, 05:09:37 PM
Red Heat (1988) Average Schwarzenegger movie, with some good one-liner and a good villain played by Ed O'Ross. Belushi is inept. 7\10


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Dust Devil on November 03, 2010, 02:54:16 AM
Red Heat (1988) Average Schwarzenegger movie, with some good one-liner and a good villain played by Ed O'Ross. Belushi is inept. 7\10

This one I've seen only once, in the early 90s - I remember it being decently entertaining.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 18, 2012, 05:41:25 PM
Yeah. It seems to be a film without any point whatsoever.

It's interesting that you say that. Cuz after watching Hard Times a couple of days ago, I read Roger Ebert's review of it (as I do after every movie I watch  :)) http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19751014/REVIEWS/510140302/1023

Here is his 4-paragraph review; focus specifically on the final two paragraphs, which I believe address your point (ie., Ebert discusses precisely what the point of the movie is):



"Hard Times" is a powerful, brutal film containing a definitive Charles Bronson performance. He plays Chaney, a man of few words and no past, who rides the rails to New Orleans for the winter and tries to win some money by fist fighting. It's in the middle of the Depression. The fights are all-out and bare-knuckle, held in warehouses and open by invitation to men with cash to wager.

Chaney gets into his first fight almost by accident, and wins. That's how he meets Speed (James Coburn), who will manage him for a piece of the action. And Speed introduces him to Poe (Strother Martin), who is sort of a doctor: "I spent two years in medical school. In the third year, a dark cloud appeared, and I left under it." He's hooked on opium, but can patch up a fighter and close his cuts. Chaney wins his first fight, and then (in an exhaustingly well-directed action sequence) goes up against the local champion. He's a giant nicknamed Skinhead who has the disconcerting habit of grinning all the time he's pounding his opponents. They fight in a steel-mesh bullpen, and there's a certain nobility about them. They may seem to be animals, but they're craftsmen, in a way, and they respect each other; the real animals are the spectators.

Later in the film, another fight is arranged - the Chicago champion has been brought south. Chaney doesn't want to fight - he has enough money. "I could start something right here and now," the man from Chicago says menacingly. "I know, but you won't," Chaney says. "You wouldn't work for free." He's right, and that's one of the chilling aspects of the movie's fight scenes: There's no dislike between the fighters. They're in it for money. What this says about the Depression, about hard times in general, is pretty clear, but the movie doesn't press the point. And that makes it all the more effective. There's the temptation, with material like this, to fashion parables and give the characters portentous speeches about the meaning of it all. But "Hard Times" never steps back from itself, never lectures us. It's theme is buried in its material, and it's a hard-edged action film all the way. The violence will be excessive for some audiences, but it's honest violence, about the way of earning a living. There's no sadism or cruelty involved: The fighters are professionals.

As Bronson creates it, the character of Chaney becomes curiously interesting. We know little about Chaney, and learn little, but we see a man with a barrier around himself that he's willing to lower for people he respects. He has a quiet affection for a part-time hooker (Jill Ireland), and a certain loyalty to Speed that causes him to fight again when Speed gets in trouble. And that's it. Almost everything else about him is simply implied by the Bronson presence. We could create several possible pasts for the character, but they wouldn't matter. Bronson simply implies that Chaney has had a past, a difficult one. That's what makes Bronson so good for roles like this; he seems to exist already as the character, so exposition isn't necessary. Walter Hill's screenplay and direction understand that, and the period locations provide the right settings. Chaney comes to town, fights because it's a living, lives according to his code and expects the others to. And they do. "Hard Times" is a tough, bitter, evocative document.



So according to Ebert, the movie indeed makes a very strong point, but in a subtle, non-preachy manner.

In a certain very loose way, the Bronson character reminds me of TMWNN in FOD: a man of few words and with no past, is broke and just does what he needs to do to get a few bucks, and then disappears from whence he came.

I just wonder if it fit the Bronson character to have given so much of his hard-earned money to Coburn and Martin (interestingly, stanton has made the same argument RE: TMWNN in FOD).





Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Groggy on January 18, 2012, 06:54:16 PM
Really enjoyed Hill's Geronimo film.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Groggy on January 18, 2012, 08:03:40 PM
I saw it on Hulu.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 18, 2012, 08:57:15 PM
I saw it on Hulu.

do you remember what aspect ratio it was in?


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Dust Devil on January 06, 2013, 06:55:43 AM

Southern Comfort (1981) - 9/10

Each time I watch this movie it seems it just gets better and better. Great action flick all around; but not only that, quite of a character study too. The story is 'kinda' simple, but fortified with subliminal currents strong enough to carry it. The performances are top notch too, I gotta say.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Dust Devil on January 15, 2013, 09:11:37 AM

Hard Times (1975) - 7.5/10

A few turns too short but with great performances.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 15, 2013, 12:48:33 PM
Hard Times (1975) - 7.5/10

A few turns too short but with great performances.

Coburn, Bronson, Strothers, how can you go wrong?!  O0


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Dust Devil on January 15, 2013, 03:48:32 PM
Coburn, Bronson, Strothers, how can you go wrong?!  O0

Yeah they did a beautiful job here. Coburn was on the edge a few of times, though, but I liked him anyway. ;)


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Kurug3n on January 15, 2013, 10:28:48 PM
The Driver (1978)

Pretty good.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: drinkanddestroy on January 16, 2013, 01:49:14 AM
I'd also give Hard Times a 7.5/10.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: titoli on January 24, 2013, 02:44:07 AM
Southern Comfort (1981) - 9/10

Each time I watch this movie it seems it just gets better and better. Great action flick all around; but not only that, quite of a character study too. The story is 'kinda' simple, but fortified with subliminal currents strong enough to carry it. The performances are top notch too, I gotta say.

Re-saw it today prompted by your review. I was disappointed, I remembered it being a better movie.  It is actually a cheap rewriting of Deliverance, with touches (visually) of First Blood (the traps). Can't see any originality, characters and dialogues are those of an average western. 6\10


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: stanton on January 24, 2013, 05:11:37 AM
Characters and dialogues are indeed pretty weak. And in the middle part Southern Comfort hangs through. 7/10


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Dust Devil on January 24, 2013, 09:31:51 AM
Well, I must be honest, I just enjoyed it for what it is without seeking anything more. The characters are nothing more than the premise could offer anyway, at least not to me. I could even agree with you guys that the dialogue is average, yet the interaction and chemistry between the characters makes it work perfectly for me.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: dave jenkins on February 01, 2013, 02:54:18 PM
From Twilight Time (thus, limited to 3,000 units--and these will sell out):

HARD TIMES (1975) BLU-RAY - June 11th
THE DRIVER (1978) BLU-RAY - June 11th


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Senza on February 24, 2013, 07:57:38 PM
His latest one, Bullet To The Head could've been a lot better.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: drinkanddestroy on May 29, 2013, 12:59:27 AM
Saw Hard Times on TCM. I give it a 7/10

This was my second viewing of the movie (but the first time was on a pan-and-scan dvd)


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: dave jenkins on June 15, 2013, 04:19:44 PM
The reviews of the new Hard Times blu are coming in, and they're very positive:
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Hard-Times-Blu-ray/65402/#Review
http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s4216hard.html


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 05, 2013, 12:13:47 PM
The reviews of the new Hard Times blu are coming in, and they're very positive:
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Hard-Times-Blu-ray/65402/#Review
http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s4216hard.html


why would you be excited about a blu-ray disc of a "film without any point whatsoever" getting good reviews? http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=1807.msg138473#msg138473


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: dave jenkins on July 05, 2013, 03:34:46 PM
Why do you assume I'm "excited"? I'm simply posting info that may be of interest to others on this board. I guess that's something you yourself would never do, so I guess that's why you can't understand it.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: drinkanddestroy on July 05, 2013, 05:05:57 PM
I must have underrated your magnanimity  ;)


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: dave jenkins on July 21, 2013, 09:12:06 AM
After careful research (ha!), I determined that the better Blu-ray choice for The Long Riders was the UK edition (sucks to be you, region-bound losers). Took it for a spin last night. In addition to a very solid transfer, the disc comes with 3 supplementary pieces on the making of the film, prepared by those Western-loving krauts at Fiction Factory. The 3 docs, copyrighted 2013, are actually one, carved up to make the extras look more impressive than they are. Still, there's at least an hour's worth of material here. The pieces are assembled from very, very recent interviews with Walter Hill, James Keach, and Robert Carradine. All have interesting stories to tell, as all were involved in the creation of the film. The movie was actually the brainchild of the Keaches, who had the project gestating before Hill was attached. It was their gimmick to have all the brother roles played by real brothers. Originally, the Bridges bros were supposed to play the Fords, but Beau wasn't all that keen on the script and Jeff got caught in the Heaven's Gate quagmire. So the Guests were brought in, even though the couldn't ride. All the other actors could ride, and the Carradine bros were especially noted for their equestrian skills. Hill was especially keen to do a Western. He claims he wasn't trying to copy Peckinpah on the Northfield sequence, he was using the slo-mo to give the event a nightmare quality. In contradistinction to Peckinpah's practice (according to Hill), who used slo-mo to extend and heighten reality, Hill's purpose was to make everything seem irreal. Whatever. We get an elaborate explanation of how the filmmakers did the horses-crashing-through-the-storefront-and-then-out-the-back sequence. We're told about how Ry Cooder was used for the music, and how what he came up with wasn't, for the time, considered a conventional score (which made the suits nervous). Finally, we get the distinct impression that the 3 men being interviewed are very proud of the film and feel it to be an important work in their respective careers.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: dave jenkins on July 26, 2013, 11:40:22 AM
The Driver Blu-ray in da house!


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: T.H. on July 27, 2013, 01:41:25 PM
I received my copy yesterday but haven't had time to check it out. I can't wait to watch the car chases.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: dave jenkins on July 27, 2013, 03:13:37 PM
The car chases are still there and still good. The overall PQ is pretty murky, though. Maybe that's the way the film has always been. I was hoping the Blu was gonna be a startling improvement over the DVD, and it's only an incremental one.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Novecento on July 28, 2013, 06:20:58 PM
....and made probably the ultimate cult film, The Warriors (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000A6T1JU/thekosubs).

One of my most enjoyable nights at the movies was watching a double bill of "The Warriors" followed by Alex Cox's "Repo Man".

After careful research (ha!), I determined that the better Blu-ray choice for The Long Riders was the UK edition...

Never seen it, but the reviews say better PQ yet apparently cut for a horse fall

(sucks to be you, region-bound losers).

Well that's not going to be an issue for people living in the UK (or any other region B territory). However, I am surprised how few people seem to care enough about such regional differences to go multi-region.

He claims he wasn't trying to copy Peckinpah on the Northfield sequence, he was using the slo-mo to give the event a nightmare quality. In contradistinction to Peckinpah's practice (according to Hill), who used slo-mo to extend and heighten reality, Hill's purpose was to make everything seem irreal.

I haven't seen it, but if the action sequences merit a comparison with Peckinpah then maybe I should. Having said I've never seen any Peckinpah inspired/derived action sequences that come even close to Peckinpah at his best.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: stanton on July 29, 2013, 02:18:31 PM
Longriders is the perfect 2nd hand film. Shooting like Peckinpah, dancing like Ford and the Jesse James legend somewheree in the middle of all JJ films before. That means an amalgam of King's classic and Kaufman's anti-western.
The slo mo is overused, but probably on purpose. The dialogues are often somehow idiotic. I liked it a bit less last time I ewatched it.  6,5/10


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: dave jenkins on July 30, 2013, 07:50:00 AM
The car chases are still there and still good. The overall PQ is pretty murky, though. Maybe that's the way the film has always been. I was hoping the Blu was gonna be a startling improvement over the DVD, and it's only an incremental one.
Another (perhaps better informed) perspective: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topic/325071-a-sneak-peek-at-the-driver/


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: dave jenkins on August 10, 2013, 09:35:01 AM
Savant on The Driver: http://www.dvdtalk.com/dvdsavant/s4259driv.html


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: dave jenkins on September 28, 2013, 08:51:25 AM
The Warriors (1979) 35mm - 5/10. Oddly, I had never seen this Walter Hill film, so I rectified the situation yesterday with a 10pm screening at the Alamo Drafthouse in Yonkers. I'd heard that the movie has a cult following--well, the cultists were out in force last night, there was hardly a seat to be had. This was the original threatrical cut of the print. I guess the cultists don't much like the director's re-vamped version now available on home video. Anyway, I was surprised how dull this film is. The premise is great: a gang from Coney Island must get from the Bronx back to home turf during a night in which every hand in the city is raised against them. Good thing those metro trains are so reliable, although that transfer at Union Square sure can be a bitch. The biggest problem with this film is that for most of the time the Warriors don't know they're being chased (they've been blamed for the death of a charismatic gang overlord, so all the gangs are out to "rack" 'em--if I have the parlance right). Hey, if you don't know you're in the middle of a mine field, it's just another walk in the park. The rumble scenes are fun, shot and edited for maximum effect, but the long pauses between fights dissipates most of the tension. This could have been so much better--where's the remake?
 

 
 
 


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: rexlic on September 28, 2013, 09:24:30 AM
Turns out a major scene was filmed around the corner from me in Long Island City, Queens.  LIC is now home to dozens of film and TV shoots each year, but this is the earliest thing done here of which I'm aware.  The below site is that of a pro location scout, and has amazing shots of the NYC area.  He has a three-part post on locations for The Warriors.  The second link is of a '20s movie palace restored as a church out in Jamaica, Queens--it may be the most incredible, lavish interior in the city.


http://www.scoutingny.com/?p=6633


http://www.scoutingny.com/?p=6288


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: dave jenkins on September 29, 2013, 12:09:12 PM
Turns out a major scene was filmed around the corner from me in Long Island City, Queens.  LIC is now home to dozens of film and TV shoots each year, but this is the earliest thing done here of which I'm aware.  The below site is that of a pro location scout, and has amazing shots of the NYC area.  He has a three-part post on locations for The Warriors

http://www.scoutingny.com/?p=6633
Thanks, I really enjoyed that, especially the bit where the Bronx is played by LIC.  O0


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: dave jenkins on September 30, 2013, 01:27:17 PM
The Warriors: Ultimate Director's Cut (1979/2005?) Blu-ray - 5/10. This was $10 at Best Buy--cheaper than the ticket for the screening of the theatrical cut the other night. So I picked it up. The changes don't amount to much: a prologue, told in comic panels, that makes explicit the parallel between the film and a classical story of Greek soldiers fighting their way home through Persia; and new scene transitions, roto-scoped stills from the original cut made to look like comic panels that sometime includes character thoughts (as in, "Holy Shit!"). Not enough of a change to detract from or improve the film.



Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Dust Devil on October 26, 2013, 11:08:28 AM

The Driver (1976) - 6/10

Not much I'm afraid. The car scenes are indeed great, but everything else is mediocre at best. Dern has too much screen time and too much petty dialogue. Adjani I can't stand here: her character's laughable. O'Neal is good in my opinion, true, the character works for him.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Dust Devil on October 26, 2013, 11:09:51 AM
The old wisdom that says - never watch as an adult what you liked as a child - strikes again.


Title: Re: Walter Hill's Movies
Post by: Novecento on September 12, 2017, 12:06:35 PM
This was the original threatrical cut of the print. I guess the cultists don't much like the director's re-vamped version now available on home video.

I just read DVDBeaver's review of "The Warriors" BD. It's a shame they didn't include the original version without the comic book inserts of the "director's cut". I haven't seen the "director's cut" so can't comment, but I'm less tempted to buy it without the theatrical version in there too.