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Title: Lee Van Cleef
Post by: indio on April 15, 2005, 07:02:40 AM
i know he's great in the Leone films but what are his best roles in other spag. westerns?
i only know a few of his roles, i do like the big gundown.
Title: Re: Lee Van Cleef
Post by: Cusser on April 15, 2005, 08:22:15 AM
I'd say Van Cleef was good in Death Rides a Horse and Day of Anger as well as Big Gundown (but can't understand that if he was such a smart tracker/killer, that he didn't figure it out much sooner, and let Cuchillo outsmart him a few times).   And not too bad in Sabata.  I'd avoid Return of Sabata, Stranger and Gunfighter.
Title: Re: Lee Van Cleef
Post by: indio on April 15, 2005, 09:37:38 AM
yeah i like death rides a horse and i've just bought day of anger but its not here yet, looking forward to that.
Title: Re: Lee Van Cleef
Post by: Belkin on April 15, 2005, 11:21:12 AM
Check him out in a non western role in THE HARD WAY. Shot in Ireland in the late 70's.
REVIEW BELOW.

A brooding film in which one feels the angst of the retiring Irish hit-man (Patrick McGoohan) who foolishly agrees to do one last assassination. This quiet film is poignantly "narrated" by the gunman's estranged wife whose memories enter the story to provide a framework and background for the tragic figure and his family. Any "Prisoner" fan will see parallels between aspects of this plot and McGoohan's previous series: an agent who wants to give up his covert work but is not let off the hook so easily by his masters. The agent decides to leave anyway and is pursued relentlessly by his former bosses. In "The Hard Way" this pursuit takes us through rural Ireland to a dramatic showdown with Lee Van Cleef. An understated, interesting study, worth a look.
Title: Re: Lee Van Cleef
Post by: Marco Leone on April 15, 2005, 11:24:48 AM
"The Grand Duel" is a great film, with brilliant music too (which Tarantino used in Kill Bill).  Personally, I also like Blood Money aka The Stranger and the Gunfighter, but thats maybe just a matter of personal taste.
Title: Re: Lee Van Cleef
Post by: HEX on September 22, 2005, 05:24:37 PM
WHAT EVER U DO...

AVOID THESE AT ALL COST

GODS GUN(better then KID VENGEANCE... but still crap)

KID VENGEANCE(the worst van cleef ever. and the worst sw i have seen and i have seen more then 50 by now.)

THE STRANGER AND THE GUN FIGHTER( SORRY TO DISAGREE WITH U MARKO LEONE)
Title: Re: Lee Van Cleef
Post by: HEX on September 24, 2005, 08:38:59 AM
oh by the way DERRINGDO youre an obvious VAN CLEEF fan.
even though i said harsh things about "kid vengeance"(and they are true) it does not mean u shouldnt see it at least once.

i believe hardcore sw fans should watch the entire genre(even though there is over 400, but u can try to pull it off before youre time here is done)

even immense crap like KID VENGEANCE.(also since youre a CATTIVO fan u should sit and die for about an hour and a half just to watch it.
Title: Re: Lee Van Cleef
Post by: Leone Admirer on September 25, 2005, 12:03:10 PM
Just to ask is the Grand Duel definatly worth a viewing?
Title: Re: Lee Van Cleef
Post by: Marco Leone on September 25, 2005, 12:16:57 PM
"Grand Duel" is classic LVC!

I'm with Derringdo on God's Gun - I couldn't recommend it, but still enjoyed watching it.  Despite the annoying kid.

Hex - I'm not sure why I have such a love affair with The Stranger & the Gunfigher/Blood Money, but I just thought it was a great film - if you are in a mood for something not too serious.  But I would quite understand why many are not so keen.

The much laughed at Captain Apache is nearing the top of my viewing pile (for those that haven't heard me waffle about it before, I religiously watch the films in the order I buy them, and have spent far more money than I should have on them over the last few years, so have a backlog that should last until next April!  I purchased Captain Apache and have seen it gradually approach.  And, yes, I am quite looking forward to it!  :o ).
Title: LEE VAN CLEEF'S best sw performance? VOTE NOW!
Post by: HEX on November 18, 2005, 09:02:56 AM
i added his best roles and one bad one. i did not bother adding more because i figured not to have a bunch of crappy sw on here(which he did a lot of).

RYAN-as this character he is his typical tough guy role but with a past he wants to set right.

FRANK TALBY-typical tough guy role again, only difference is he has a mid-life crisis. ;D

SABATA- typical tough guy in the first film with a hint of comedy. the second being the better of the two roles(unfortunatly i cant say the same for the film) here he is in a different form. u have not quite seen him like this before, very comical in body language.

CUDLIP-does a great transformation from BANDIT to a good guy. too bad the film sucks.

CORBURT-typical tough guy role. but he is a somewhat of a introvert. he looks a bit tortured throughout the film. he cannot relate to normal people.

GRAND DUEL character- typical tough guy role. only he is not really an anti-hero. he is out to help the down trodden.

i am not sure what to say.... most of his roles are very much alike. ill go with his role in the second SABATA movie since it was so different.
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF'S best sw performance? VOTE NOW!
Post by: dave jenkins on November 18, 2005, 09:04:39 PM
Uh, aren't all LVC's performances pretty much the same?
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF'S best sw performance? VOTE NOW!
Post by: grandpa_chum on November 18, 2005, 10:45:48 PM
no... but a lot of them are.

and you can't fault him if the only offers he ever got were for basically the same character... honestly I'm surprised they are as different as they are... which to me a is a compliment to LVC.
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF'S best sw performance? VOTE NOW!
Post by: Leone Admirer on November 19, 2005, 06:10:33 AM
I voted Ryan as I think thats his best performance non Leone wise, closely followed by Day of Anger
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF'S best sw performance? VOTE NOW!
Post by: grandpa_chum on November 19, 2005, 03:32:13 PM
my thoughts exactly
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF'S best sw performance? VOTE NOW!
Post by: Banjo on November 21, 2005, 02:30:26 AM
I say Sabata because this was Van Cleefs favourite role and he quite visibly played the part with relish-you can even see the twinkle in his eye!
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF'S best sw performance? VOTE NOW!
Post by: Banjo on November 22, 2005, 01:35:24 AM
I agree with Derringdo that the only thing that makes the likes of Captain Apache and Bad Mans River watchable is the performance of Van Cleef himself.I draw an exception at Gods Gun because LVC has someone else (dreadfully) overdubbing his lines and my DVD copy is terrible.
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF'S best sw performance? VOTE NOW!
Post by: JamesK on December 06, 2005, 10:07:51 AM
Hmm... for whatever reason, I've never found  The Big Gundown very compelling.  Van Cleef is perfectly serviceable in his role -- as he nearly always is, regardless of the picture -- but the film never grabbed me, and I've never been able to understand why, especially since it's widely considered a classic.
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF'S best sw performance? VOTE NOW!
Post by: Leone Admirer on December 06, 2005, 10:28:04 AM
I enjoyed The Big Gundown but I definatly preffered Run Man Run.
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF'S best sw performance? VOTE NOW!
Post by: JamesK on December 06, 2005, 12:35:13 PM
Cuchillo is an INCREDIBLY annoying character that requires every grain of Milian's considerable skill to make palatable[.]

I'm actually glad to see someone else express this opinion.  While the character has some cool aspects to him, I mostly find him grating, and that might be the primary reason the movie hasn't ever been able to engage me properly.  I don't mind an unusual hero, but when I want to join in on beating him up and/or killing him, there's a problem.
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF'S best sw performance? VOTE NOW!
Post by: Leone Admirer on December 06, 2005, 01:55:43 PM
Derringo, reading your previous post about Cuchillo and Mifune rang the alarm bells of memory in my head. A memory surfaced of Milian describing Mifune's character in Seven Samurai and with that of Cuchillo. Whether thats my head making it up I'm not sure but I think I saw it in a doco somewhere about.
Title: Lee Van Cleef and High Noon
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on September 18, 2007, 09:39:39 AM
Excerpt from Christopher Frayling's book Once Upon a Time in Italy: The Westerns of Sergio Leone, an interview with Lee Van Cleef given by Alex Cole...

"I came into this town in a stage play called Mr. Roberts. Stanley Kramer saw it and put me in a picture called HIGH NOON. The first time I went into his office he told me to go fix my nose and I told him to go fuck himself. So he told me that instead of playing the second lead I would have to play one of the silenct heavies. I said, "Fine - silent is the way I play." In fact, in the middle of the picture, Fred Zinnemann, the director, said, "I want you to say 'Howdy' or something to Ian Macdonald when he's getting down off the train, "and I said I didn't think I should - "I've been playing this silent, and if I open my mouth one iota it's going to destroy the strength of the character." And he agreed with me. Most actors like to talk a lot - I don't. I read scripts, and I cut the dialogue down to the barest essentials. I've always done that." - Lee Van Cleef

You know what I find funny about this. They tell him to go fix his nose and he tells them to "to fuck themselves" and he still gets a part.  ;D Talk about ballsy. Thank god he didn't fix that nose! It's one of the features that made good old Lee.

I also think Lee Van Cleef was right when he didn't like the idea of his character talking. If you watch High Noon, there's a mystery about his character because he's silent. I love Lee's judgement there. I'm happy Zinneman agreed!

Title: Re: Lee Van Cleef and High Noon
Post by: Jill on September 18, 2007, 10:44:29 AM
Lee is the Man!  O0 O0 O0

"Go and fuck yourself"  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

He's brilliant in High Noon, but they killed him so stupid in the background. Zinneman knew how ti direct a good film, but didn't knew how to make a good finale. The final duel is laughable.
If you imagine it in SW or in Sam's style... mmmm. That would be fine.
If I directed it, I would have killed the hero too.  >:D
Title: Re: Lee Van Cleef and High Noon
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on September 18, 2007, 11:30:11 AM
Lee is the Man!  O0 O0 O0

"Go and fuck yourself"  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

He's brilliant in High Noon, but they killed him so stupid in the background. Zinneman knew how ti direct a good film, but didn't knew how to make a good finale. The final duel is laughable.
If you imagine it in SW or in Sam's style... mmmm. That would be fine.
If I directed it, I would have killed the hero too.  >:D

 ;D I knew you'd love that Jill. Lee was definitely brilliant in High Noon. It amazes me how cool an actor can be without diologue. It just shows an actor can pull that off by seeing Lee in this film. He was a wonderful actor using his eyes to express his feelings.
Title: Re: Lee Van Cleef
Post by: Mr.Cho-Cho on May 04, 2020, 01:54:59 PM
Check him out in a non western role in THE HARD WAY. Shot in Ireland in the late 70's.
REVIEW BELOW.

A brooding film in which one feels the angst of the retiring Irish hit-man (Patrick McGoohan) who foolishly agrees to do one last assassination. This quiet film is poignantly "narrated" by the gunman's estranged wife whose memories enter the story to provide a framework and background for the tragic figure and his family. Any "Prisoner" fan will see parallels between aspects of this plot and McGoohan's previous series: an agent who wants to give up his covert work but is not let off the hook so easily by his masters. The agent decides to leave anyway and is pursued relentlessly by his former bosses. In "The Hard Way" this pursuit takes us through rural Ireland to a dramatic showdown with Lee Van Cleef. An understated, interesting study, worth a look.


I got this film on DVD, it's not bad, it was produced by John Boorman too. I'm a big fan of Van Cleef, McGoohan and Boorman, it's quite an interesting cat and mouse type film and plays a bit like a western. It's probably one of those films worth watching if it's ever on TV.
Title: Re: LEE VAN CLEEF'S best sw performance? VOTE NOW!
Post by: uncknown on May 10, 2020, 07:04:34 PM
I'm actually glad to see someone else express this opinion.?  While the character has some cool aspects to him, I mostly find him grating, and that might be the primary reason the movie hasn't ever been able to engage me properly.?  I don't mind an unusual hero, but when I want to join in on beating him up and/or killing him, there's a problem.

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