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Title: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: spag fan on April 22, 2005, 06:58:59 AM
I picked this up for $6.99 a couple of weeks ago. Not bad. Above average score and 3 cool leads made this an enjoyable, if fairly lighthearted, SW. I think I'll keep it. ;D


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: Marco Leone on April 22, 2005, 01:03:45 PM
Its one of the SW's that I tend to recommend to people, and its quite good fun.  I particularly like the intro with the Django, Man with no Name and Colonel M lookalikes. 

I generally am not so keen on the lighthearted westerns, but this one is a winner.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: titoli on January 23, 2006, 02:13:09 AM
I am very curious to know how Edd Byrnes ended up there. (And why Connie Stevens didn't: she had a right to it, as witnessed by her real name).  Anyway, this film is fun to watch, expecially for the actors who are really good. It is stretched and implausible in places, but then you have a scene which makes you forget what has gone before. But also, watching the triello,  you realize the ocean lying between Leone (and Morricone) and the rest.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: Banjo on January 23, 2006, 05:07:12 AM
Unfortunately i'm missing the opening scene in my "cut" video which is meant to be the films highlight.Other than that George Hilton is the best thing about this movie while Edd Byrnes doesn't really fit into a sw.Its hard to believe that AGCP was made by the same director who did Keoma and Jonathan of The Bears-its still moderately enjoyable though.I know its one of those Leone parodies in which Castellari specialised in at the time but i found some of the slapstick out of place and the music  crap.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: titoli on January 23, 2006, 05:27:33 AM
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Edd Byrnes doesn't really fit into a sw

Well, that makes me think about a SW which is (rightly) on everybody's Top Ten, A Bullet for the General. The only thing I don't like about that movie is Lou Castel, the more so as you have there two stellar interpretations from Kinsky and Volontč. Castel can't fit  into any kind of SW's character as he can't play an american or a mexican convincingly because of his looks. I always wondered who could have played the part. You made me think that Byrnes would have fit perfectly (or even better had he gotten around to sacrifice his pompadour). I think that Castellari may have made a mistake letting him dress up like a rocker.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: Banjo on January 23, 2006, 05:35:05 AM
I agree that Castel was a very odd choice for the gringo in Bullet For The General and this definately goes against the grain for what is usually a very cool looking anti-hero.Perhaps Damiani did this on purpose(to avoid Leone comparisons?) because despite Castel being not at all likeable, he did turn in a good performance.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: titoli on January 23, 2006, 05:45:49 AM
You know how these things go, an actor gets the part for the most different reasons. I don't know how Castel (who, in the late '60's was very famous in Italy, let's not forget that) came to get the part and anyway it's not important: fact is that (at least to me and you) he doesn't look like a gringo (a gringo half as tall as the mexican Volontč). And, I'll add, he looks also too young to impersonate such a scheming and devious character. His was a good performance? Maybe, but doomed from the start.   


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: Banjo on January 23, 2006, 05:49:16 AM
A bit baby-faced maybe?Perhaps that is partly why Chuncho was taken in by Castel in this relationship with homosexual overtones?


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: titoli on January 23, 2006, 06:17:19 AM
I don't like the kind of speculatin' that sees behind every male friendship homosexual overtones. And anyway such kind of reasoning would make the end even more incomprehensible: if Volontč is in love with Castel, instead of simply considering a friend, why not spend the life with him? And anyway, to be back in theme, as to looks Byrnes gives points to Castel (not that it takes much). 


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: Banjo on January 24, 2006, 03:04:20 AM
The possiblity of a homosexual attraction between Chuncho and Tate didn't really occur to me until i read a chapter devoted to BFTG in Howard Hughes latest sw book and he argues that this relationship is unusually explicit for a western.He backs this up by the swiftness to which Chuncho is taken in by Tate,the fact that Chuncho kills one of his loyal friends to save Tate from harm and he "serenades the gringo and nurses him back to health when he catches malaria".
To this i could ask why did Tate spare Chuncho(and give him half of the bounty) after the cold and calculating way he killed his brother,machine gunned down one of his friends and of course shot dead the General?
Chuncho definately hesistated  to kill Tate at the end of the movie and i'm not convinced that this delay was down to the money alone.Its apparent that the queue jumping incident finally convinced Chuncho that regardless of his feelings for Tate,he had to die!
But as you say Titloli this is all mere speculation because we don't see a gay kiss or anything like that,but Hughes suggestions have made me examine the relationship between Chuncho and Tate in a slightly different light!


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: titoli on January 24, 2006, 03:30:31 AM
I don't want to start a quarrel (with Hughes via you), but fact is that one of the favourite sports of critics from the '70's onward has been to look for homosexuality in movies. Now, in western of course you can speculate on almost each movie about that: and consequently  I always wondered how you could make a movie about male friendship without somebody saying that it is all about homosexuality in disguise. It is impossible, actually. Hughes saw homosexuality in Chuncho-Nino relationship? Well, it never crossed my mind, actually, when I was watching the movie (as, apparently, it didn't cross yours too: and I think that's only natural). What I saw is that Volontč is taken up not much by Nino sexually but by his otherness, by the fact  that he's so young and still so smart as compared to him who is older and not so swift at getting things. And the dubbing him Nino makes me think rather of a paternal interest toward him (and also of a hommage to FFDM). All of this can be "seen" in the movie: the rest is vain speculation.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: Banjo on January 24, 2006, 03:45:21 AM
Its a discussion rather than a quarrel isn't it?
I know exactly what you mean Titoli and i get irritated by people(usually gay themselves) reading things into certain filmstars,musicians,movies and making a gay allegation (as if to justify their own sexuality in the case of gays).
     However i think what possibly makes BFTG an exception to the usual (innocent) buddy relationships in movies is that one of them(Tate) is a totally despicably ruthless bastard that it makes you wonder why Chuncho was so keen for his preservation-but as you say Titoli this could be down to Chuncho admiring Tates professionalism.I'm not sure about the paternal interest with one being Mexican,the other a gringo! 


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: titoli on January 24, 2006, 04:10:27 AM
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However i think what possibly makes BFTG an exception to the usual (innocent) buddy relationships in movies is that one of them(Tate) is a totally despicably ruthless bastard that it makes you wonder why Chuncho was so keen for his preservation

Keep in mind that Chuncho (due to his tardiness) isn't hip to Tate's bastardness until the very end and then...

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I'm not sure about the paternal interest with one being Mexican,the other a gringo!

But one is an adult the other is a nino.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: Banjo on January 24, 2006, 04:23:53 AM
Yeau maybe you're right Titoli but i'll give BFTG another viewing this week mainly for reasons for starting a new Morricone poll.At risk of being called homophobic ,i would prefer it if Volonte wasn't a closet gay in this movie as i'm a bit of a fan.It would certainly have been quite revolutionary for this to have happened in the 1960's-i don't know about Italy but in Britain homosexuality was still illegal and very much a taboo subject.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: titoli on January 24, 2006, 04:43:35 AM
Try to watch the movie through your own eyes, not another person's. Like you did the first time. And don't go for too hidden meanings.

About being homophobic, I think that recent events should persuade us to reconsider our whole attitude about some things. The preoccupation with being "politically correct" may induce us to allow things about which we'd better have second thoughts. But then it would be better to open up another thread in the off-topic section.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: Banjo on January 24, 2006, 06:02:55 AM
Try to watch the movie through your own eyes, not another person's. Like you did the first time. And don't go for too hidden meanings.
I agree with what you're saying about one drawing his/her  own opinion about movies.However i think one of the main reasons why people buy books by Frayling/Hughes and others and also communicate on forums like these is to learn new insights into Leone & Co's films.I certainly don't take everything Hughes says as gospel-he doesn't think much of DYS or UOATIA ,most of us think different.
About gays-live and let live i say.I don't know if you have ever seen any of the British Carry-On comedies Titoli.I've always enjoyed the  characters played by the likes of Kenneth Williams,Frankie Howard and Charles Hawtrey and i always took this strange "campy" persona of theirs as just them trying to be funny.It took me well into adulthood before i found out they were all gay but i don't think any less of them and still enjoy these seaside postcard innuendo type comedies from a time before PC was invented!


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: titoli on January 24, 2006, 07:18:45 AM
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About gays-live and let live i say.

Well, this was my philosophy until very recently. This all changed with the question of gay weddings and, even more, children adoption by homosexual couples.  It seems to me that, to defend the minorities rights we are abusing the majorities. I mean, as a heterosexual I wouldn't have liked to have been adopted by homosexual parents and, I think, I presume it is the same with other heterosexuals like me who, until the contrary it is proven, constitute the majority of world population. The family is a heterosexual institution  by definition, as it is based and has as its end the procreation. The gay wedding it can't be but a travesty of it. Still, if the homosexual couples want to have some kind of recognition for  legal or other ends I can close an eye. But adoption or even procreation by artificial means is out of question. Apparently, though, it's only the religious organizations (starting from the catholic church) who seem to oppose this. A pity, as I am an atheist, that I have to side with them. Still I think that this is really a violence made on some unfortunate people who have no means to defend themselves.   


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: Banjo on January 24, 2006, 09:51:56 AM
The gay wedding it can't be but a travesty of it. Still, if the homosexual couples want to have some kind of recognition for  legal or other ends I can close an eye.    
This has only just been introduced to the UK but i gather from news programmes that "married" gay partners don't like the word "marriage" but prefer something like a "civil partnership".
I do agree with you totally about adoption ,we shouldn't allow gays to have their cake and eat it and the needs of children should come first.
We really are going off topic now,apologises everyone!


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: KERMIT on May 10, 2006, 07:20:08 PM
anyone ever seen this ?  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062429/maindetails



Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 10, 2006, 09:20:45 PM
anyone ever seen this ?  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062429/maindetails



I dont think this should be in this section but anyway...

Yeah I have seen it. it is a fun adventure comedy starring everybodies favorite happy go lucky Bounty hunter George Hilton. The film has a close resemblance to GBU(which is why I guess you put it here) in which three adversaries  Back stab, join up, shoot, double cross and try to kill one another on the trail to finding a hidden treasure. the film is pretty much played for laughs but it has a lot of great moments in it. The end has a mock GBU trio stand off but it is not as glorious as Leone's entry. There is a nice cute happy ending in which all three get a share in the gold.

The film also stars the lesser Edd Byrnes and Gilbert Roland.
I say give it a look if you can get it for under $9.99 like me.
Be sure to get the uncut version which features Lee van cleef, Franco nero and Clint Eastwood look alikes in the intro. Most say that is the high light of the film, I would have to disagree, there is a enough action and fun to be had here, not just in the first 5 minutes.


certainly no where near the best spaghetti western, but a good one to add to the collection.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: KERMIT on May 10, 2006, 09:37:25 PM
 correct.  post belongs under "other films."
 
 good sum up FC  ;D
 
 


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 10, 2006, 09:47:49 PM
Have you seen it Kermit? Or were you thinking of buying it and looking for an opinion?


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: KERMIT on May 11, 2006, 12:00:09 PM
just curious. i'd never heard of it before.  there seems to
be mixed oppinions on it.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 11, 2006, 05:00:49 PM
It's an alright movie by a sw master ( Enzo Castellari ). It's fun but should NOT be taken seriously in any way.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 11, 2006, 07:50:28 PM
Peacemaker since you live in New York you can probably pick up some spaghetti westerns at the Virgin record store.

rumor has it the stores are going out of buissness.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 11, 2006, 10:41:55 PM

rumor has it the stores are going out of buissness.

Never heard that rumor. I should go run down there sometime and see what they got.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 12, 2006, 09:34:15 AM
I should go run down there sometime and see what they got.

yes you should. They usually have a few of the Blue Underground releases Like Django and Mannaja. But they also usually carry "Django the bastard", "man called Sledge", "Any Gun Can Play" and "Django Kill".


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 14, 2006, 04:50:40 PM
I always wanted to see a man called blade. It looks like a rip-off of OUATITW but I like rip-offs!


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 14, 2006, 05:14:30 PM
It looks like a rip-off of OUATITW but I like rip-offs!

it is not a rip-off at all. Though it has a similar flashback sequence(but what spaghetti doesnt?) and they copied the idea of having a harmonica be apart of the music, the film is a standard revenge tale. personally I think it is rather slow the first hour with a few well done action scenes and a great fist fight. It really picks up the last half hour and becomes something special.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 14, 2006, 05:15:30 PM
it is not a rip-off at all. Though it has a similar flashback sequence(but what spaghetti doesnt?) and they copied the idea of having a harmonica be apart of the music, the film is a standard revenge tale. personally I think it is rather slow the first hour with a few well done action scenes and a great fist fight. It really picks up the last half hour and becomes something special.

Well, the Voller-McGowan partnership is kinda' like the Frank-Morton partnership in OUATITW.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 14, 2006, 05:16:56 PM
Well, the Voller-McGowan partnership is kinda' like the Frank-Morton partnership in OUATITW.

yeah that too. Forgot. How did you know that? shobary's site perhaps?


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on May 14, 2006, 05:17:35 PM
How did you know that? shobary's site perhaps?

Good guess. You're right.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: El Incompetente on August 06, 2006, 09:05:37 AM
More f****d up dvds...

Somewhere in the middle of my AGCP copy (yes, itīs from the diamond entertainment 5 disc set) the pic freezes, and then makes a 5-6 min. leap forward.
It stops just after the Stranger has saved Monetero from
the military fort, and the latterīs gang show up.
Then it continues when Stranger is having a late night supper
with a character i canīt remember the name of, but i think the actorīs name is Gerard Herter.

So, could somebody please tell me whatīs happening during those minutes in between? :)


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 06, 2006, 02:13:39 PM
More f****d up dvds...

Somewhere in the middle of my AGCP copy (yes, itīs from the diamond entertainment 5 disc set) the pic freezes, and then makes a 5-6 min. leap forward.
It stops just after the Stranger has saved Monetero from
the military fort, and the latterīs gang show up.
Then it continues when Stranger is having a late night supper
with a character i canīt remember the name of, but i think the actorīs name is Gerard Herter.

So, could somebody please tell me whatīs happening during those minutes in between? :)


when Monetero's gang shows up they corner the Hilton and Monetero messes around by shooting at Hilton a bit then lets him go. After that I would have to see what happens I havent seen the film in awhile.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: The Peacemaker on August 06, 2006, 02:17:35 PM

when Monetero's gang shows up they corner the Hilton and Monetero messes around by shooting at Hilton a bit then lets him go. After that I would have to see what happens I havent seen the film in awhile.

I didn't like the way Hilton kept flinching. A good pistolero keeps his cool even when bullets are whizzing past him.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 06, 2006, 02:41:54 PM
I didn't like the way Hilton kept flinching. A good pistolero keeps his cool even when bullets are whizzing past him.

well what more was he to do? he was sure he was a dead man.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: Arizona Colt on August 06, 2006, 10:00:43 PM
Buy the VCI dvd. It can be bought for 10 dollars.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: El Incompetente on August 07, 2006, 06:55:43 AM
I donīt know if i want to spend that much money on a film thatīs actually...not that good.
Although itīs one of the better among those 13 SWs
in that set.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: Banjo on August 08, 2006, 03:45:47 AM
More f****d up dvds...

Somewhere in the middle of my AGCP copy (yes, itīs from the diamond entertainment 5 disc set) the pic freezes, and then makes a 5-6 min. leap forward.
They're not great in that box set.I get pauses here and there every half hour or so but thankfully no skipping forward.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: El Incompetente on August 08, 2006, 06:51:09 AM
They're not great in that box set.I get pauses here and there every half hour or so but thankfully no skipping forward.

Maybe i got one of the better boxes then, since there is only one film thatīs intractable. Unfortunately, it is, as i said,
one of the better.
If it was Savage Guns i wouldnīt have cared... ;)


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 08, 2006, 03:47:59 PM

If it was Savage Guns i wouldnīt have cared... ;)

as Banjo had already pointed out. that is one of the more entertaining of the box set. and I agree ;D


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: El Incompetente on August 08, 2006, 04:04:27 PM
Some films are so bad that they get...well, not good, necessarily, but entertaining or amusing in some way.
But Savage Guns...I was upset after i had seen it,
like i needed someone to talk to ;D.

Firecracker, did you watch AGCP so you can fill me in
on the missing part?


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 08, 2006, 04:09:22 PM


Firecracker, did you watch AGCP so you can fill me in
on the missing part?

yes I already have filled you in on all I can remember (I was the second to post on this thread). I saw it about one year ago so memory is fuzzy (it doesnt help that it was rather average).
I would watch it again but I'm so spaghetti back logged at the moment. I have over 50 titles waiting for my viewing!


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: El Incompetente on August 08, 2006, 04:12:42 PM
yes I already have filled you in on all I can remember (I was the second to post on this thread). I saw it about one year ago so memory is fuzzy (it doesnt help that it was rather average).
I would watch it again but I'm so spaghetti back logged at the moment. I have over 50 titles waiting for my viewing!

Yeah, i know, but I thought you were going to watch it again.

50?! Man, that stuff is addictive ;).


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: El Incompetente on August 08, 2006, 04:21:45 PM
Roger that!


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: Banjo on May 26, 2007, 04:20:20 PM
Arizona Colts review:-

ANY GUN CAN PLAY- 1967-Master action director Enzo Castellari directs this comedy western starring George Hilton about three “friends” who reluctantly join forces to find a hidden cache of gold. Has its moments but just average western. If you’re a Hilton fan, you’ll want to see it.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on March 23, 2009, 10:13:36 PM
I wanted to see this SW for a long time, and I finally managed to do so a couple of days ago. I would say it is average but fun and worth watching.

The opening scene, where George Hilton kills the look-alikes of Manco, Colonel Mortimer and Django, is a good indication that the movie is lighthearted and not to be taken too seriously. There is a good combination of action, fun and wits.  And as usual, Francesco the Masi's score rocks.

I first thought that Hilton's role was a copy of Franco Nero's in movies like A Professional Gun, Compaņeros, and Long Live Your Death. The scene when, disguised as a Franciscan priest, Hilton enters the prison to administer "confession" to Monetero, seems identical to the one in Long Live your Death, when Nero goes to administer "confession" disguised as a priest to Eli Wallach. However, I realized afterwards that Long Live your Death was made in 1971 and Any gun can play was made in 1967-68. This would indicate that actually Franco Nero's role was copied from Hilton's and not the other way around.


Title: Re: Any Gun Can Play aka Vado... l'ammazzo e torno (1967)
Post by: Dust Devil on May 22, 2010, 05:02:11 PM
This is one great topic, lemme tell ya. 4 pages of discussion that include: various other directors, various other actors, various other SWs, DVDs, DVDs gone bad, DVD shops (going down), gays, gay undertones in SWs (and movies in general), gay couples, gay marriages and gay couples adopting children, etc. etc. There's even a few short reviews of the movie in question, but not one single rating. :D

The movie's good, decent fun-ride, obviously if you don't take it too seriously. Castellari basically shows the cards in the beginning of the movie, no false pretensions, entertainment is the first command of the mission. The three leads don't shine but put on a good show, though George Hilton wins my heart having the displeasant assignment to utter the following (phantasmagoric) line: ''They call me The Stranger.'' Yeah, baby. What else, I don't know, I like the fights, the one in the bath house more than the others.

Slightly off-topic (:D) but I think it's funny and worth it: one of Paco's (Riccardo Pizzuti) buddies that shows up on the wall near the end looks like the twin brother of the basketball player Emanuel Ginóbili, though he seems to be a little shorter, and right-handed.


6.7/10