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Title: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: Groggy on April 23, 2005, 04:40:00 PM
 I don't know if anybody's written about this very bizarre but worthwhile Western on these boards yet, but I watched on AMC and decided to put my two cent's worth in.

Very enjoyable movie, it drags a bit some points but I liked it.  Raquel Welch gave a very good performance as the title character, and it was great fun to see Ernest Borgnine, Jack Elam, and Strother Martin all as the most inept and sleazy bandidos in Western history.  I've always been a big Strother fan and I loved his work here, his character made Coffer from "The Wild Bunch" look sane and well-educated.  Robert Culp was so-so IMO, I didn't think too much of him, though he did have some good scenes/dialogues.  Stephen Boyd's Preacher guy was interesting but only the movie for maybe a minute; he's like a Leone character who stops by for a visit.

I'd give it a 7/10, and if I come across it again I'll try to watch it.  Anybody else see this film?


Title: Re: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: cigar joe on April 24, 2005, 05:32:56 AM
I agree with derringdo points also I thought the gunfight at the prison/fort was a bit lame.

This one of the films that could benefit from a remake.

There are a few other SW's that may also benefit the same way (Django) for one with a bigger budget, could be a real cool remake. I think the dopey English dubbing hurt Django, if you watch it in Italian with the subtitles at least it doesn't distract from the film.


Title: Re: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: Groggy on April 24, 2005, 03:27:28 PM
I agree with derringdo points also I thought the gunfight at the prison/fort was a bit lame.

This one of the films that could benefit from a remake.

There are a few other SW's that may also benefit the same way (Django) for one with a bigger budget, could be a real cool remake. I think the dopey English dubbing hurt Django, if you watch it in Italian with the subtitles at least it doesn't distract from the film.

Agreed about the climactic gunfight.  Borgnine's death was way too histrionic.  Not sure whether to blame him or Burt Kennedy for that.  (Unlike a lot of people here, I think Borgnine's a fine actor, and he did good for most of the movie, just not that particular scene.)

And I thought Christopher Lee was very good, I didn't recognize him at first.  :o Nice character role for him to sink his teeth (pun not intended) into.

I agree with a lot of what derringdo said as well, though I personally didn't have too big of a problem with the rape scene.


Title: Re: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: cigar joe on April 24, 2005, 03:31:55 PM
Groggy if you like Borgnine. check out his cameo as "Rolling Star" in Renegade/Blueberry a nice SW twist.


Title: Re: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: Tim on April 24, 2005, 07:56:49 PM
  I always had a problem with the way the three brothers were portrayed.  They've raped Hannie and killed her husband, but they're presented as the Three Stooges of the west.  We're supposed to laugh at them, but you just don't feel right doing it.

  Nonetheless, a very good western.  Hope it gets a dvd release.


Title: Re: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: KERMIT on April 25, 2005, 07:18:47 AM

Rufus Clements: I stole a Bible, Emmett. Do you want to read over Frank?
Emmett Clements: You know damn right well I can't read! The hell with him anyway!
Rufus Clements: You shouldn't have done that, Emmett. You're gonna get God mad at us and he's liable to...
Emmett Clements: Shut your damn mouth!
Rufus Clements: Well, I want to say something over Frank!
Emmett Clements: Well, say it and get it the hell over with!
Rufus Clements: All right... Frank... you're dead! Frank... damn if I don't miss you already! 
 


Title: Re: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: spag fan on April 25, 2005, 02:55:18 PM
  I always had a problem with the way the three brothers were portrayed.  They've raped Hannie and killed her husband, but they're presented as the Three Stooges of the west.  We're supposed to laugh at them, but you just don't feel right doing it.

  Nonetheless, a very good western.  Hope it gets a dvd release.

I agree. The "comic relief" is severely handicapped after that instance, unless of course you're the kind of sicko that thinks rape is funny. What were they thinking? Good film otherwise.


Title: Re: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: Groggy on April 25, 2005, 03:58:18 PM
Great dialgoue, Kermit.

I personally liked the scene where the Clements were arguing over how inept each other were, and Rufus is trying to shirk responsibility for "accidentally" killing his Pa.

Rufus: Now, it's YOUR fault that Pa ain't here today!
Emmett: You're the one who shot him!
Rufus: I'M TELLING YA, I was just cleaning my gun!  There isn't a day that goes by that I don't think about his face . . .
Frank: You mean, what was left of it!

Always fun to see Strother in hammy freak-out mode.  ;)


Title: Re: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: Sackett on May 06, 2005, 09:27:32 PM
Of course Raquel is great to look at, but I did enjoy Culp's character as well as Christopher Lee's.
The early 70s were a strange time for comics and subject matter.  Some things said then, cannot be said now.  Comics did stand up routine as drunks or druggies, not so funny now.  Maybe I just got older.  Rape was joked about, and so was the N word, see Blazing Saddles.  Try some of that now and see how far it takes you in entertainment.  Look what happened to Andrew Dice Clay.


Title: Re: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: cigar joe on May 07, 2005, 03:22:02 AM
Yea, and an X rated movie won an academy award.


Title: Re: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: Groggy on May 07, 2005, 07:51:58 AM
Very, very short notice, but AMC has this movie on today at noon, in case anyone is interested.  :-\


Title: Re: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: Sackett on May 08, 2005, 08:39:13 PM
I did enjoy the hot tub scene.  I still remember how my breath caught  when Raquel stood up, only to reveal  that she was wearing the pants.  Well, as a teenager in the 70s, that was still pretty hot stuff.


Title: Re: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: Groggy on May 24, 2005, 04:14:03 PM
I'm not one hundred percent sure, but wasn't Aldo Sambrell one of the Mexican soldiers in the opening bank heist?  The one that looks out a window and Strother says to "I. . . LOVE . . . YOU!" before shooting him?  It looked a lot like him, and he's listed on the IMDB.  Can anyone verify?


Title: Re: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: Tim on August 30, 2005, 08:48:15 PM
Groggy, that is Aldo in that opening scene if you're still looking for an answer three months later.


Title: Re: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: Groggy on August 31, 2005, 04:16:18 PM
LOL a bit late, but thanks anyway Tim.  ::)


Title: Re: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on April 09, 2009, 05:08:11 PM
I saw this movie today and I liked it. However, it occurred to me that directors like Peckinpah, Leone, or even Corbucci could have got far more mileage out of the plot and the excellent actors than Burt Kennedy did.

The biggest weakness of the movie IMO is that it fails to build momentum in many of the scenes. On the positive side, I think this is perhaps Raquel's best movie, as I beieve the role really suited her. Borgnine was also very good, and so were Culp, Elam, Lee and Strother Martin. Again, the potential for a much, much better movie was there.

The musical score is OK, but nothing outstanding.

I found it interesting that the movie was shot in Almeria, but it shows scenery I have not seen in other SWs.

All in all, I agree with Groggy's inital assessment of 7/10. I think it is a must-see for any SW fan.


Title: Re: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: Groggy on May 04, 2009, 07:46:00 AM
The good thread.


Title: Re: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: dave jenkins on May 04, 2009, 08:43:00 AM
Well, yeah. If I'd found it, I would have posted here first. Anyway, it looks like there is a new DVD coming in August in the UK, hopefully in OAR, from a decent source, and transferred well. (Grogs--I assume that the AMC presentations have always  been in full-screen?)


Title: Re: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 04, 2009, 01:54:16 PM
Not much point to this thread without...

(http://www.onedigitallife.com/images/raquel_welch.jpg)

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(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2733/racquel.jpg)

(http://www.wildestwesterns.com/images/issue_5_images/hannie-caulder.jpg)

(http://photos.liveauctioneers.com/houses/profiles-in-history/18668/0219_1_lg.jpg)

(http://www.skylighters.org/amanoutoftime/rwsaloondoors.jpg)


Title: Re: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: Groggy on May 04, 2009, 04:23:06 PM
Now we're talking FC. O0


Title: Re: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: dave jenkins on May 04, 2009, 06:05:09 PM
Yeah, what took you so long?


Title: Re: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: cigar joe on October 18, 2010, 07:41:17 PM
And in case you don't have any imagination:

(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3691/raquelwi.jpg) (http://img46.imageshack.us/i/raquelwi.jpg/)

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Title: Re: Hannie Caulder (1971)
Post by: Spikeopath on May 02, 2017, 06:10:33 AM
I spit on your Oats!

Ah sue me! I think it's great. Raquel Welch plays Hannie Caulder, a gorgeous cowgirl who is raped and left widowed by three scuzzy brothers played by Ernest Borgnine, Strother Martin and Jack Elam. Hell bent on revenge, Hannie hooks up with smooth bounty hunter Thomas Luther Price (Robert Culp excellent), learns how to fire weapons and pursues her quarry to the day of reckoning.

That is it, it is what it is, Welch is stunningly beautiful and sexy and director Burt Kennedy wastes no opportunities to capitalise on this fact. If we are honest she's miscast, but it really doesn't matter, nor does finding Christopher Lee in the picture as a wily old gunsmith!

The mix of humour with a rape revenge storyline is a little uncomfortable at times, but not insultingly so, while Kennedy has a good eye for action. Edward Scaife photographs (Panavision) pleasingly out of Almerķa in Spain, and Ken Thorne's musical score trundles along without intrusion.

It's off-beat, even unique, and while it misses the chance to be a feminist Western of some standing, there's a real good time to be had here for those willing to buy into the daftness of it all. 7/10