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Title: Lord of the Flies
Post by: Beebs on June 06, 2005, 02:20:47 PM
This has alwaus puzzled me. How does Mr. Leone seem to be able to capture House Flies in perfect time? The greatest example would be in OUTW with the opening scene at the train station. The comical battle between a man and a fly. Of course FFDM and GBU have their fly moments as well.

How does he capture these perfect moments?


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: Leone Admirer on June 13, 2005, 12:08:45 PM
I think it's a case of excellent sound design, a fake fly pulled on a string, an excellent feel of pacing and a great talent. All these add up to an indelible image from one of the best opening sequences in cinema history.


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: Cusser on June 13, 2005, 01:07:53 PM
I was hoping for a metal fly moved by a magnet on the opposite surface !!!


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: Beebs on June 13, 2005, 01:11:22 PM
I was hoping for a metal fly moved by a magnet on the opposite surface !!!

I say that is what it most looks like. no leg movments but sort of jerked sudden sliding movements like a fly makes jsut no legs.


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: Leone Admirer on June 13, 2005, 01:14:13 PM
One of the doco's on the OUATITW DVD I strongly believe says was pulled along by a string. I will check it out again later but I'm pretty sure somewhere it says.


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: Beebs on June 13, 2005, 04:32:39 PM
One of the doco's on the OUATITW DVD I strongly believe says was pulled along by a string. I will check it out again later but I'm pretty sure somewhere it says.
Please sir, I'm not doubting the string. In fact I have heard that too, I was just saying it looks like a magnet is on the other side.


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: grandpa_chum on June 14, 2005, 12:01:56 PM
yeah, somewhere on the dvd someone mentions they had a jar full of flies and put jelly all over jack elams face and that then used a fake fly and some string... although you are right, it does look like a magnet, how you would pull that off on wood I don't have a clue though.


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: Cusser on June 14, 2005, 12:50:58 PM
A magnet will work through wood, if the magnet is strong enough and/or the wood is thin enough. 


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: Leone Admirer on June 14, 2005, 12:57:48 PM
Please sir, I'm not doubting the string. In fact I have heard that too, I was just saying it looks like a magnet is on the other side.

My apologies. I mis-read (teaches me to read fast  :( )


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: Belkin on June 14, 2005, 01:42:39 PM
Ah, flies in movies. However he pulled it off, Mr. Leone's fly sequence is a masterpiece!
It got me thinking about other fly sequences in movies that are memorable. Apart from the obvious, David Hedison turning into one in THE FLY (1958), the only other one of merit I can think of is the wonderfully inventive fly sequence in THE SPIRIT OF St. LOUIS (1957)! Director, BILLY WILDER, had a problem in telling the story of CHARLES LINDBERG'S 3,600 miles non-stop New York to Paris journey, how to keep an audience intrested (cinema wise) with one man in a cock-pit for a huge chunk of the movie without resorting to a voice over. He, pure genius, added a fly to the cock-pit that became a second actor which allowed JIMMY STEWART (Lindberg) to have an ongoing conversation with his tiny passenger. Classic stuff.
Anybody got any favorite fly sequences that may have cropped up since film first came to life on a white sheet?  ;)


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: Belkin on June 14, 2005, 03:30:50 PM
Just remembered another one, BRANDO grabbing a fly in, APOCALYPSE NOW! And yet another, didn't DWIGHT FRYE, eat one in DRACULA (1930).....or was that a spider? Sorry, this maybe should be posted in another section but just following on from original  (fly) posting!  ;)


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: Belkin on June 14, 2005, 05:15:18 PM
Not forgeting.....ROD STEIGER'S priest vs. the FLIES FROM HELL in the original AMITYVILLE HORROR!
These damm fly sequences are gonna keep me awake.


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: Belkin on June 25, 2005, 05:23:07 PM
And of course, NORMAN BATES in the final scene(s) of HITCHCOCKS "PSYCHO"!


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: Dlanor on June 27, 2005, 01:18:33 AM
Grand Pa Chum is right. In Christopher Frayling book it is said that they had put some sort of honey on Jack Elam chew. I don't remember if they had a bottle of flies, but they certainly had.


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: redyred on July 10, 2005, 04:24:36 AM
In the DVD commentary Christopher Frayling says Jack Elam had honey on his lips. They then waited ages and did dozens of takes waiting for a fly to take the bait. Then the fly on the side of the chair is a fake moved by a magnet.

I actually had a magnet fly when I was a kid. The magnet was pretty strong - you could easily use it through a table or chair.


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: Danny on July 14, 2005, 07:49:04 AM
In the DVD commentary Christopher Frayling says Jack Elam had honey on his lips. They then waited ages and did dozens of takes waiting for a fly to take the bait. Then the fly on the side of the chair is a fake moved by a magnet.

Yes, I've seen this part too. Must be very hot waiting. I've been at La Calahorra  (Cattle Corner) last year and I can tell you: It's was very hot and no shade at that place.


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: Beebs on July 14, 2005, 09:29:07 AM
In the DVD commentary Christopher Frayling says Jack Elam had honey on his lips. They then waited ages and did dozens of takes waiting for a fly to take the bait. Then the fly on the side of the chair is a fake moved by a magnet.

I actually had a magnet fly when I was a kid. The magnet was pretty strong - you could easily use it through a table or chair.

Haha, that's very interesting. I can just see them waiting and waiting for a fly and getting the perfect take. It's so realistic that for a while I tought maybe it was an out take that a fly mistakedly started attacking him and they went off of the idea. This of course was only my first opinion. ;D


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: roberti on March 22, 2006, 12:26:32 PM
There is a good fly sequence in a very good French movie called The girl on the Bridge with Vanessa Paradis and Daniel Auteuil. The action takes place in an hospital. The fly is on the ceiling. Daniel Auteuil puts 3 pieces of sugar on a table for himself, Vanessa and the receptionist. If you want to know on which one the fly landed, you'll have to watch it!


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: Juan Miranda on March 22, 2006, 01:14:53 PM
The new Australian western, THE PROPOSITION has a great plague of flies scene. Can't explain it though or it'll spoil the moment. You'll have to go and see the movie.


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: Beebs on March 22, 2006, 02:46:25 PM
Hasn't crossed the atlantic (or Pacific depending on whose flying the plane) yet as far as I know, though I'll keep an eye out.


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: The Firecracker on March 22, 2006, 06:46:03 PM
THE PROPOSITION

Saw the trailer, didnt care much for it I am afraid. Just didnt grasp my interest. I'll probably end up watching it anyway. It will most certainly bomb here.


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: Tim on March 24, 2006, 02:02:10 PM
  I watched the trailer for The Proposition and I have to say, I was impressed.  It looks like an Australian spaghetti western, everything's dirty, people could use a bath and a shave.

  I noticed in the trailer it says "Grisly violence."  Without giving any plot points away, what exactly is that for those who've seen it?  Similar to graphic I assume.


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: Juan Miranda on March 24, 2006, 02:44:03 PM
I noticed in the trailer it says "Grisly violence."  Without giving any plot points away, what exactly is that for those who've seen it?  Similar to graphic I assume.


There's buckets of blood, torture, surgery, half a head blown off (an excellent special effect), and an extreemly harrowing rape. All very grisly and grapic.

It looks very much like a Spaghetti, employing locals with "interesting" faces as extras, and the kind of bizarre fashions you only see in Euro westerns. Indeed, although it was shot in Australia, it is a British film, funded mainly with National Lottery money by the UK Film Council. Even the once dreaded "Goldcrest" name appears in the credits, and it's entier post production was done in London. 

I'll try and put up some frame grabs in the next couple of days, on "The Proposition" thread.

http://www.fistful-of-leone.com/forums/index.php?topic=2291.0


Title: Re: Lord of the Flies
Post by: cigar joe on March 24, 2006, 07:03:00 PM
cool, and thanks....