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Title: Prologue
Post by: Beebs on June 09, 2005, 10:01:25 AM
For those of you who have seen the prologue or heard of it, I'd like to get your opinion of it. My opinion it that, since it tells that Clint Eastwood's character is a released prisoner, that it actually decreases his moral actions. The point was to add moral and righteousness to the story. Being forced to help for your life takes the moral from the story. My version of a prologue would be that Clint is the one "he knew someone like you once and there was no one to help". He is just drifting and sees a town that needs help and he's lookin for some dough. So he saves some people and makes some money and does some cool stuff in between. I don't want to think of him as on a mission to kill from the start. He is just a high plains drifter looking for money.

I'm glad Mr. Leone did not have this version in mind, and that it was just ABC's idea not good ol' Sergio.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Cusser on June 09, 2005, 12:41:03 PM
ABC did this on their own, to privide a "moral" reason for No Name to clean up the town, so it didn't look like all he was after was $$$ for himself.  I saw this on ABC television in the 1970s, was done terribly, showed in prison an actor from the rear dressed in a poncho, then had two quick frontal spliced images of Eastwood's face.  If Clint cleaned up the town, he would earn a pardon.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Beebs on June 09, 2005, 02:08:49 PM
ABC did this on their own, to privide a "moral" reason for No Name to clean up the town, so it didn't look like all he was after was $$$ for himself.  I saw this on ABC television in the 1970s, was done terribly, showed in prison an actor from the rear dressed in a poncho, then had two quick frontal spliced images of Eastwood's face.  If Clint cleaned up the town, he would earn a pardon.

It does kind of ruin my image of Eastwood's character of a good guy who helps people on his own mind and makes some money for fun and to live on. Like I said I'm glad Leone had nothing to do with it.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: cigar joe on June 09, 2005, 03:36:39 PM
I look at it this way, he's a regular joe, human like the rest of us, not entierly a saint,  not a bad ass, just somebody trying to make a buck,  in it for the money, good at what he does, and has a conscience, basicly a good guy.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Beebs on June 09, 2005, 05:04:57 PM
I look at it this way, he's a regular joe, human like the rest of us, not entierly a saint,  not a bad ass, just somebody trying to make a buck,  in it for the money, good at what he does, and has a conscience, basicly a good guy.

Great way to put it. Thanks. By the way, joe, if you haven't yet check your messages


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Fortean on June 16, 2005, 01:03:34 PM
It's like when Lucas changed Star Wars so that Greedo fired first. Well, maybe not since Lucas came up with the silly notion himself and ABC did it on their own.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: iceman on June 20, 2005, 05:01:59 PM
OK you guys in the good old US of A, will someone inform us in the UK what this prologue is all about. Where can we see or hear it.


ICE


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Beebs on June 20, 2005, 05:21:29 PM
Ice, I didn't know you were one of the British Citizenship. I only just read about it on this site. The home site has a description of it for FoD. It is something ABC made to explain Joe's actions in the movie. I personally think it ruins the morals and whole of the story. That's what it's all about. look on the main page of this site and read about it.

By the was, as a Britton, does the term Britt offend you or others. How do "Britts" like to be referred to as?


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 12, 2007, 02:35:25 PM
I did not like the prologue. It kind of took away the mystery of this great character. I like not knowing his past. This prologue defeats that totally. I don't like the idea that he was once a prisoner. I never thought that of this character before I ever seen this prologue. I don't like it.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: dave jenkins on July 12, 2007, 05:07:41 PM
On the one hand, it cheapens Joe's motivation. On the other hand, it makes the film seem more like Escape From New York.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 12, 2007, 08:45:58 PM
On the one hand, it cheapens Joe's motivation. On the other hand, it makes the film seem more like Escape From New York.

This is very true. Great comparison jenkins!


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: cigar joe on July 12, 2007, 08:48:57 PM
the prologue isn't nore ever was part of the  film


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 12, 2007, 08:51:10 PM
the prologue isn't nore ever was part of the  film

What the hell is the point of it anyway?


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: The Peacemaker on July 12, 2007, 08:55:19 PM
What the hell is the point of it anyway?

They put it at the beginning of the movie when it was shown on tv.


The tv station execs wanted to give a moral reason as to why MWNN kills (instead of greed).


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 12, 2007, 09:55:14 PM
They put it at the beginning of the movie when it was shown on tv.


The tv station execs wanted to give a moral reason as to why MWNN kills (instead of greed).

What a crock. I love how the the director of the prologue says he was happy to see it on the "Fistfull of Dollars" DVD because it's part of it's history. Bullsh*t. It's not part of Leone history by no means.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: dave jenkins on July 12, 2007, 11:10:31 PM
This is an interesting thread, and it's just become an interesting entry in the SL Encyclopedia. Thanks! O0


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 12, 2007, 11:51:47 PM
I'm so heated about this pathetic prologue. I wish I could burn that segment of the dvd. It's taking up space in the menu! >:(


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: cigar joe on July 13, 2007, 05:51:17 PM
its basically propaganda courtesy of ABC


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 15, 2007, 12:42:51 AM
its basically propaganda courtesy of ABC

It sure is ABC propaganda. I'm honestly surprised they included it on the Special Edition.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: cigar joe on July 15, 2007, 10:53:08 AM
Its part of the lore now I guess. ^-^


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: dave jenkins on July 15, 2007, 08:31:11 PM
It's part of the history of the presentation of the film. As such, it's an appropriate extra on a DVD, although it should never be considered part of the film.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: The Firecracker on July 15, 2007, 10:05:29 PM
I'm so heated about this pathetic prologue. I wish I could burn that segment of the dvd.

 I'm very glad it was included just for curiosities sake.
It was probably the first extra feature I looked for when I bought my German dvd two years ago.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 16, 2007, 09:33:31 AM
I'm very glad it was included just for curiosities sake.
It was probably the first extra feature I looked for when I bought my German dvd two years ago.

Yeah, I see what you're saying Firecracker. It's just not part of the film is what I'm saying.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: tokyorose on July 16, 2007, 08:53:03 PM
I find the prologue absolutely hilarious.   The Clint stand-in who's about a foot too short and has a poncho the length of a prom dress...hee hee!  And now he's not just the Man with No Name - he's the Man with No Face!  Just a hat tilting up and down!  Who did they think would fall for this?

And I really don't see why the network thought Joe was amoral, or immoral, for that matter.  Silvanito tells him very early on that the Baxters and the Rojos are killing the town, and Joe ends up ridding the town of them.  True, he profits from it, but he could have profitted by simply joining one of the gangs himself.  And it's made clear from the beginning that one of Joe's main motives for staying in San Miguel is the plight of Marisol.  The very first thing that catches Joe's attention when he arrives in the town is the crying, bullied child and the imprisoned woman.  He is haunted by them, and his saving of the little family is courageous, compassionate and entirely altruistic.

Joe also comes back and saves Silvanito when he could have escaped the potential vengeance of the Rojos.  About the only scene where I find his morality questionable is when, hiding in Piripero's coffin, he stops to watch the murder of the Baxters.  But by this point his face is so battered that it's difficult to tell what he feels: it might be satisfaction, it might be partly guilt, or it might simply be curiousity.  But since he didn't set up that particular situation - the Rojos made their own assumption that Joe was hiding with the Baxters  and wanted an excuse to murder them - Joe can't be blamed for the cruelty of it.

The samurai in Yojimbo didn't need a prologue, and Joe doesn't need one either.  As was posted earlier, the prologue actually makes Joe's actions more selfish, rather than the other way around.  I prefer the idea that he saved the town for his own reasons...even including a fistful of dollars!


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 19, 2007, 12:04:47 AM
Great post tokyorose!


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: cigar joe on July 19, 2007, 04:22:34 PM
agreed!, great post.

when I was a kid I actually memorized these films so I could tell my cousins about them, I figured they'd never get on TV.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: dave jenkins on July 19, 2007, 04:38:24 PM
Let me add my voice to the chorus: An astute post, TR!


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: tokyorose on July 19, 2007, 07:17:15 PM
Aw shucks.  T'warn't nothin'.  And I forgot to mention that Joe gives Marisol a fistful of dollars to provide for her family until they are settled in their new home.   He also refuses to tell Ramon her whereabouts, enduring torture and risking death.

Although she only speaks ten words in the entire film, Marisol plays a very important role in revealing Joe's moral side.  When Joe smiles at her in the first scene (the first hint we have of his humanity) she slams the window, furious that he has stood by and done nothing to help her or her family.  She, like the audience, does not yet understand that Joe is not indifferent: he is simply biding his time.  However, during the hostage exchange when one of Ramon's men threatens to kill her husband, she sees Joe's deliberate move forward stop the would-be murderer.  When Joe wisely advises her to proceed with the exchange and get little Jesus to safety, Marisol's look is one of silent realization and gratitude, a visual signal to the audience of just how much Joe has done for this woman.

After Joe rescues Marisol from the small house and urges her to leave with her family, Marisol turns and, almost as proxy for the audience, asks the motivation for all he has done. In so doing, she lifts Joe's emotional veil in a way that is never again done for the Man with No Name.  It is as Doctor Watson once said of Sherlock Holmes, "For the one and only time I caught a glimpse of a great heart, as well as of a great brain..." 

Again, it's as though the creators of that prologue never saw this.  Or perhaps they were used to dramas where the audience is assumed to be stupid and is beaten over the head with explicit and repetitive dialogue.  By contrast, Leone challenges his audience to piece the story together using images, music, juxtaposition and symbolism.  This is why his films can be enjoyed over and over again.  As the viewer becomes more and more skilled, he can perceive more and more nuances to the story and characters.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: cigar joe on July 19, 2007, 07:23:40 PM
Again, it's as though the creators of that prologue never saw this.  Or perhaps they were used to dramas where the audience is assumed to be stupid and is beaten over the head with explicit and repetitive dialogue.  By contrast, Leone challenges his audience to piece the story together using images, music, juxtaposition and symbolism.  This is why his films can be enjoyed over and over again.  As the viewer becomes more and more skilled, he can perceive more and more nuances to the story and characters.

It was definitely this, TR.

I was like the book people in the film Fahrenheit 451, when that prologue came on I was floored


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: uncknown on July 19, 2007, 10:43:48 PM
It sure is ABC propaganda. I'm honestly surprised they included it on the Special Edition.

they didn't
It was courtesy of a fan who taped it.

The story of the guy who taped it is hilarious and bears repeated viewings- unlike the prologue.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 23, 2007, 11:05:15 AM
they didn't
It was courtesy of a fan who taped it.

The story of the guy who taped it is hilarious and bears repeated viewings- unlike the prologue.

Well they did. It's there isn't it? O0 HAHA anyway, the guy who taped it is pretty funny. The story he told on how much he spent so he could record it. haha


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: iceman on July 23, 2007, 05:44:35 PM
they didn't
It was courtesy of a fan who taped it.

The story of the guy who taped it is hilarious and bears repeated viewings- unlike the prologue.


Hi Guys,
               Can someone explain "the story of the guy who taped it" please?


ICE


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Whalestoe on July 24, 2007, 12:21:47 PM

Hi Guys,
               Can someone explain "the story of the guy who taped it" please?


ICE

On the 2-Disc Collector's Edition of A Fistfull of Dollars, one of the Special Features on Disc-2 includes the actual network prologue. It was recorded by Harry Dean Stanton who talks about buying a VCR esque machine that was $1500 (talk about a fistfull) so he could record AFOD when it came on network television and have his own copy. He almost stopped recording, but let it continue opon seeing the Clint Eastwood poncho "that was as long as a dress".


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Cusser on July 24, 2007, 12:58:34 PM
Younger members on this board need to know that back in "those days" there were not VCRs, rentals, etc., and it took over 10 years for the spaghetti westerns to make it to TV.  This guy bought that equipment to make his own copy, never dreaming that by 2005 or so that one could get a DVD copy for $10, and sooner for VHS tape.  We couldn't anticipate individual copies back then, the studios were fighting against it, not realizing that rental copies and home copies could bring in more $$$ than in the original theater showings.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on July 24, 2007, 01:09:41 PM
Younger members on this board need to know that back in "those days" there were not VCRs, rentals, etc., and it took over 10 years for the spaghetti westerns to make it to TV.  This guy bought that equipment to make his own copy, never dreaming that by 2005 or so that one could get a DVD copy for $10, and sooner for VHS tape.  We couldn't anticipate individual copies back then, the studios were fighting against it, not realizing that rental copies and home copies could bring in more $$$ than in the original theater showings.

Oh I understand fully Cusser. When I said how I thought the story of the guy buying the VCR was funny because it's amazing how time has changed. Back then, I probably would have done the same thing he did.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: uncknown on July 24, 2007, 01:11:57 PM
On the 2-Disc Collector's Edition of A Fistfull of Dollars, one of the Special Features on Disc-2 includes the actual network prologue. It was recorded by Harry Dean Stanton who talks about buying a VCR esque machine that was $1500 (talk about a fistfull) so he could record AFOD when it came on network television and have his own copy. He almost stopped recording, but let it continue opon seeing the Clint Eastwood poncho "that was as long as a dress".

Harry Dean Stanton is the actor in the prologue - it was recorded by a fan.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Whalestoe on July 24, 2007, 02:15:31 PM
Woops - you're correct. :D

I just looked at the back of my box thinking his name was on it, since he talks prior to it being shown. After quickly rewatching, the fan's name is Howard Fridkin.

Also, why is it when typing late at night and early in the morning, I spell Fistful - Fistfull?

On a side note, the VCR-esque machine he purchased was a Beta Max. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betamax for more information.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: cigar joe on July 24, 2007, 04:16:48 PM
Yes there was no way to record those films on TV.

But you have to remember also that when I first saw For a Few Dollars More and A Fistful of Dollars in (1967) as a 14 year old kid I knew that there was no way in that day and age, that the films would ever get on TV as I knew it period. So I memorized the films so I could tell my country cousins who didn't live in New York City about them scene by scene. I was like the book people in Farenhiet 451, lol.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: dave jenkins on July 24, 2007, 04:37:38 PM


But you have to remember also that when I first saw For a Few Dollars More and A Fistful of Dollars in (1967) as a 14 year old kid I knew that there was no way in that day and age, that the films would ever get on TV as I knew it period. So I memorized the films so I could tell my country cousins who didn't live in New York City about them scene by scene. I was like the book people in Farenhiet 451, lol.
O0 But were you able to describe camera movements and framings and whatnot? What about the music? Did you hum the appropriate cues at the appropriate moments? ;D ;D


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: cigar joe on July 24, 2007, 04:57:47 PM
 
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But were you able to describe camera movements and framings and whatnot? What about the music? Did you hum the appropriate cues at the appropriate moments? 


GBU was easy to whistle, I think I was acting it out for my cousins, much like it was described Leone did with the actors,"watch me", lol


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Leonardo on August 19, 2007, 04:39:23 PM
On a side note, the VCR-esque machine he purchased was a Beta Max. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betamax for more information.
I was one of the suckers who bought a Betamax VCR back in 1984 or 1985. At the time, there were two formats: Betamax (produced by Sony) with smaller tapes that would not fit into the other system, which was VHS, and viceversa.
But everybody thought that since Sony created Betamax, this would be the winner. So I bought a lot of tapes in Betamax format (Leone's movies of course were the first ones) and after a year or two, I had quite a collection.
Sure enough, after 2-3 years, the VHS format won the race and Betamax was out and they even stopped producing it, so when my Betamax machine conked out in 1987, I had to throw all my Betamax tapes away and had to rebuy them in VHS format.
Lost quite some bucks on that one...!


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: dave jenkins on August 20, 2007, 09:51:42 PM
Sure enough, after 2-3 years, the VHS format won the race and Betamax was out and they even stopped producing it, so when my Betamax machine conked out in 1987, I had to throw all my Betamax tapes away and had to rebuy them in VHS format.
Lost quite some bucks on that one...!
You should have gone with laser discs at that point. OUATIA came out in 1994, complete, in the OAR, and then DYS followed in '96 (w/ short final flashback, OAR), both with digital sound. There was no need to wait for DVDs.......


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: KevinJCBJK on August 21, 2007, 01:04:19 AM
I saw it on the DVD, though not Leone history, it was still interesting and amusing to watch.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Leonardo on August 22, 2007, 10:54:56 AM
You should have gone with laser discs at that point. OUATIA came out in 1994, complete, in the OAR, and then DYS followed in '96 (w/ short final flashback, OAR), both with digital sound. There was no need to wait for DVDs.......
Dave, my Betamax conked out in 1987 and at the time there were no laser discs yet. Do you really think I could have managed 7-8 years without a Leone movie at home....?? ;)


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: uncknown on August 23, 2007, 01:16:42 PM
You should have gone with laser discs at that point. OUATIA came out in 1994, complete, in the OAR, and then DYS followed in '96 (w/ short final flashback, OAR), both with digital sound. There was no need to wait for DVDs.......

DYS was incorrectly mastered from the original Techniscope camera negative giving it an eye straining 2:66 aspect ratio!


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: dave jenkins on August 23, 2007, 02:20:54 PM
Dave, my Betamax conked out in 1987 and at the time there were no laser discs yet. Do you really think I could have managed 7-8 years without a Leone movie at home....?? ;)
There were LDs for commercial use as early as 1978. As this info from wikipedia makes clear, 1987 was *the* year to adopt the format:

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As Pioneer introduced Digital Audio to LaserDisc in 1985, they further refined the CAA format. CAA55 was introduced in 1985 with a total playback capacity of 55 minutes 5 seconds, and was necessary to resolve technical issues with the inclusion of Digital Audio. Several titles released between 1985 and 1987 were analog audio only due to the length of the title and the desire to keep the film on 1 disc (e.g., "Back to the Future"). By 1987, Pioneer had overcome the technical challenges and was able to once again encode in CAA60—allowing a total of 60 minutes, 5 seconds.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: titoli on August 23, 2007, 03:38:07 PM
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when I was a kid I actually memorized these films so I could tell my cousins about them, I figured they'd never get on TV.

Yeah, what do the younger generations know about this? I actually remember reciting a movie for my school companions (it was an english horror) and keep them entranced (maybe I was good at it. Or maybe it was a good movie: there's a lot of them when you're a teen. Then they become rarer).

Anyway I find strange that you say you never thought they would end up on tv. By reading some reviews on IMDB or Amazon I reckon the movies made it on tv in the '70's, while in Italy we had to wait 1989, when VCR was established in Italy.
And you thought this for a special reason or because that was what happened to movies on tv in general?


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: dave jenkins on August 23, 2007, 03:42:06 PM
The networks rarely showed Leone's films. With the rise of regional stations, and then cable, Leone got more exposure. I saw a lot of the films in the early 80s, when a local station had regular Leone weeks. A friend of mine got to know OUATITW well after it got on regular rotation on Turner in the mid to late 80s.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Mw/NNrules on August 23, 2007, 07:22:22 PM
Nowadays, the Dollars Trilogy is shown on AMC, every once in a while, usually on stuff like "Clint Eastwood Weekend" and "Tough Guy Week". They're heavily cut most of the time, I wish they'd play them on TCM. Actually, the cuts for FoD and FaFDM are reasonably thorough, but GBU is horrible. One moment he doesn't have his serape, the next he does.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: cigar joe on August 23, 2007, 07:24:51 PM
Well I though that they wouldn't make it to TV in an uncut state mostly because of the violence and subject matter.

Between 1970 and 1977 I rarely watched TV I was out in The Idaho Panhandle North of the Locsa River and East of Kamiai & Pierce and in the Yaak River Valley of Northwestern Montana both areas without TV reception. But someplace I saw the network premier of Fistful of Dollars and realized that some weird censorship is possible in the USA.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: titoli on August 23, 2007, 07:33:28 PM
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Well I though that they wouldn't make it to TV in an uncut state mostly because of the violence and subject matter

So, in your recitals, you concentrated on the most violent parts?

But the first three had some kind of age restriction over there?



Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: cigar joe on August 23, 2007, 07:36:33 PM
Maybe in the boondocks they had restrictions in force but on Times Square I could get into burlesque & peep shows too,  8)


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: titoli on August 23, 2007, 07:41:09 PM
My, we had a similar career. But I'm younger, man.  >:D


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Mw/NNrules on August 23, 2007, 07:47:42 PM
Well I though that they wouldn't make it to TV in an uncut state mostly because of the violence and subject matter.

Between 1970 and 1977 I rarely watched TV I was out in The Idaho Panhandle North of the Locsa River and East of Kamiai & Pierce and in the Yaak River Valley of Northwestern Montana both areas without TV reception. But someplace I saw the network premier of Fistful of Dollars and realized that some weird censorship is possible in the USA.
Fod isn't that bad, no sex, no blood, just a good western. That might be able to be seen uncut on TV.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: cigar joe on August 23, 2007, 07:55:16 PM
My, we had a similar career. But I'm younger, man.  8)


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Silenzio on August 23, 2007, 08:10:17 PM
I'm younger than the both of ya!


However, I live in the boondocks.... :(


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: The Firecracker on August 23, 2007, 08:30:29 PM
Fod isn't that bad, no sex, no blood, just a good western. That might be able to be seen uncut on TV.


Actually FOD might just be the most violent of the three.
It's a toss up between FOD and FAFDM.

And you have to remember the time frame CJ is talking about.
In the early 70's it would have been difficult to show the Dollars movies uncut.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Leonardo on August 24, 2007, 07:07:22 AM
I was out in The Idaho Panhandle North of the Locsa River and East of Kamiai & Pierce and in the Yaak River Valley of Northwestern Montana both areas without TV reception. 
Hell, sounds interesting: are you a trapper, gold digger or simply a...bounty killer???? ;)


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: cigar joe on August 24, 2007, 08:24:15 AM
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I was out in The Idaho Panhandle North of the Locsa River and East of Kamiai & Pierce and in the Yaak River Valley of Northwestern Montana both areas without TV reception. 

Hell, sounds interesting: are you a trapper, gold digger or simply a...bounty killer?

lol......I worked for the US Forest Service


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Silenzio on August 24, 2007, 08:48:47 AM
Now the Lochsa is a beautiful place.  I was up there recently.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Silenzio on August 24, 2007, 08:53:33 AM
(http://www.fs.fed.us/r1/clearwater/fish/images/lochsa2.jpg)

(http://www.idaho-images.com/images/Lochsa%20Trail-WR.jpg)

(http://www.kirkanderson.com/images/T_LochsaRiver.jpg)


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: cigar joe on August 24, 2007, 09:51:52 AM
Yea I spelt it wrong.... did you get to the Jerry Johsons Hot Springs while there?


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Silenzio on August 24, 2007, 10:21:26 AM
Yes I did.  My view was occasionally ruined by nude men.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: cigar joe on August 24, 2007, 11:40:37 AM
Last time I was there was in the late winter and the pool wasn't that hot with the snowmelt comming in from the creek


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Silenzio on August 24, 2007, 11:44:16 AM
I was there in the spring, so the pool was quite hot.  Great place.


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: cigar joe on August 24, 2007, 02:45:22 PM
 
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Great place.

especially when there are naked women.  O0


Title: Re: Prologue
Post by: Tucumcari Bound on September 03, 2007, 09:40:19 AM

especially when there are naked women.  O0

Yes indeed! O0