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Title: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Marco Leone on June 22, 2005, 02:10:35 PM
Here's this weeks review effort!

"As soon as the Forgotten Pistolero starts, the theme tune is instantly familiar - with the whistled score probably surpassed only by Morricone's Dollars trilogy soundtracks, or maybe the Magnificent Seven, when it comes to being used as the backdrop to western sketches everywhere. It is made all the more beautiful by the mountainous Almeria backdrop.

The film itself is equally impressive. Directed by the prolific Ferdinando Baldi, it begins with Rafael (Pietro Martellanza) being pursued by a gang of Mexicans. Surviving the ambush (to the sound of that glorious theme), he finds himself finally locating child-hood friend Sebastian (Leonard Mann).

Sebastian is informed that the woman he believed to be his mother, and who had raised him since a child, had in fact rescued him as an infant from the brutal attack and mass murder that had cost his father his life. Rafael tells him that this attack had been arranged by his real mother (Paluzzi) and her lover.

Sebastian's sister, who had witnessed the massacre all those years ago, had since fallen in love with Rafael (for which he had been severely punished and hounded). The extent of this punishment becomes clear later in the movie when, whilst captive, he is forced to lie next to a beautiful lady, and taunted that he now only has his muscles to prove his manhood.

This revenge story follows a different path to the majority of Euro-westerns, with emphasis on the tale rather than action (that said, there are some great action scenes). It is a highly captivating and atmospheric movie, gripping from start to finish. Well worth the watch, and undoubtedly Baldi's best work. But - warning - you'll be whistling the music for days!".


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: leonefan on June 25, 2005, 01:02:26 AM
Did you get this on DVD, if so, from where?


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Marco Leone on June 25, 2005, 08:28:59 AM
I got hold of it on ebay, but it looks like you can get it at Cine City - http://www.cinecityplanet.com/E_frame.html?http://www.cinecityplanet.com/

English , German or Italian language.

Hope that helps.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 07:13:25 AM
undoubtedly Baldi's best work. But - warning - you'll be whistling the music for days!".
I agree Marco,better even than Blindman-sorry Firecracker ;D
Great film with one of the great sw soundtracks-check this out,DVD on German Amazon for less than 2 Euro's:-
http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00026M6D6/qid=1145793824/sr=1-8/ref=sr_1_10_8/028-6284965-0343733


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: indio on April 23, 2006, 08:40:30 AM
i don't know this one


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Banjo on April 23, 2006, 09:30:46 AM
If i were certain a few more of us had seen this i would've included it in the SW league.Respect to Firecracker ;D but his are the first negative comments i've read! :o
Its certainly worth 1.79 Euro's ;)


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 29, 2006, 09:01:50 PM
I agree Marco,better even than Blindman-sorry Firecracker ;D




† delusions, delusions.... tsk tsk.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Banjo on April 30, 2006, 03:08:39 AM
No i admit i may have been stirring it with Blindman which is probably the best now i've seen the full version ;)


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 30, 2006, 03:09:29 AM
No i admit i may have been stirring it with Blindman which is probably the best now i've seen the full version ;)

Excellent to hear.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Banjo on April 30, 2006, 03:34:40 AM
Well it is kinda unique-i think Leonard Mann is not the best of sw heros in Forgotten Pistolero but i'm really swayed by the supporting actors/actresses,the lavish scenes especially the flashbacks,the pretty decent finale and of course that great theme tune!


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 30, 2006, 03:36:04 AM
Well it is kinda unique-i think Leonard Mann is not the best of sw heros in Forgotten Pistolero but i'm really swayed by the supporting actors/actresses,the lavish scenes especially the flashbacks,the pretty decent finale and of course that great theme tune!
the theme tune and the first twenty minutes are all that is worth watching(for me). Even the showdown was a disappointment.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Banjo on April 30, 2006, 03:39:35 AM
the theme tune and the first twenty minutes are all that is worth watching(for me). Even the showdown was a disappointment.
The actual gun duel was a bit of a damp squid admittedly but i enjoyed the look of that scene with the devastation of the fire.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 30, 2006, 03:40:59 AM
The actual gun duel was a bit of a damp squid admittedly but i enjoyed the look of that scene with the devastation of the fire.

I'll agree with the look of the scene. very nice touch.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Banjo on April 30, 2006, 03:54:09 AM
But a very too abrupt cut to Mann and co riding away in the daylight don't you think?


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 30, 2006, 03:58:07 AM
But a very too abrupt cut to Mann and co riding away in the daylight don't you think?

thats one of the many reasons why the end was crap.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Banjo on April 30, 2006, 04:21:05 AM
Yes a poor touch for an otherwise immaculate looking movie.It makes you wonder if anything was cut out on the German DVD?


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on April 30, 2006, 07:30:50 AM
Yes a poor touch for an otherwise immaculate looking movie.It makes you wonder if anything was cut out on the German DVD?

That's much too abrupt to be anything but a cut....I'd say. I was like..totally surprised.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Banjo on April 30, 2006, 07:41:23 AM
You've got the German dvd too,then.I wonder if theres an uncut Franco Cleef or Jerksi version in the distance? :-\


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on April 30, 2006, 07:55:04 AM
Another reason for thinking there must be a cut there...**SPOILER Coming**







Anna's dying revelation that she was not Sebastian & Isabel's mother..who had died in childbirth...was a disconnected piece of information...like "so what"?
It meant nothing......& Baldi's better than that.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Banjo on April 30, 2006, 07:59:51 AM
And the running times only about 84 minutes-a lot less than his other movies.Perhaps someone like Sundance could enlighten us? ::)


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 30, 2006, 09:22:41 AM







Anna's dying revelation that she was not Sebastian & Isabel's mother..who had died in childbirth...was a disconnected piece of information...like "so what"?
It meant nothing......& Baldi's better than that.



I just think Baldi had a brain fart with this garbage.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on April 30, 2006, 10:00:59 PM
I've been meaning to do this ever since I saw "Forgotten Pistolero".....so......................I hope you'll find it interesting:

Somewhere around 410 B.C. (give or take...) Euripides wrote his version of "Electra". ... I've used a couple of sources to briefly relate some of the plot:

When King† Agamemnon returned from the Trojan War, his wife,†Clytemnestra and her lover Aegisthus murdered Agamemnon.
 Her son, Orestes, was smuggled out of the country by an old servant of Agamemnon's;
Their daughter Electra is married off to a farmer, ...Although the man is kind to her and has taken advantage of neither her family name nor her virginity, Electra resents being cast out of her house and her mother's loyalty to Aegisthus.

The adult Orestes returns to Argos with his friend Pylades, to visit his father's tomb and spy out the land. ..hoping for revenge and ends up at the house of Electra and her husband. After† having first concealed their identities in order to get information, Electra is eager to help her brother in bringing down Clytemnestra and Aegisthus, and they conspire together...
Orestes sets off and kills Aegisthus.

Sound familiar?

So------------>
General Carrasco = Agamemnon
Anna =† Clytemnestra
Tomas = Aegisthus
Isabel = Electra
Sebastian and Rafael = Orestes and Pylades
Piero Lulli = a sadistic henchman of Aegisthus

In the play... Electra & Orestes† kill Clytemnestra,† or Orestes does it alone.. I'm not sure.....but that was handled a little differently in the movie.

And some people say that Spaghetti Westerns are crap..to them I say.."pish..tosh".





Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: The Peacemaker on April 30, 2006, 10:03:01 PM
I've been meaning to do this ever since I saw "Forgotten Pistolero".....so......................I hope you'll find it interesting:

Somewhere around 410 B.C. (give or take...) Euripides wrote his version of "Electra". ... I've used a couple of sources to briefly relate some of the plot:

When King† Agamemnon returned from the Trojan War, his wife,†Clytemnestra and her lover Aegisthus murdered Agamemnon.
 Her son, Orestes, was smuggled out of the country by an old servant of Agamemnon's;
Their daughter Electra is married off to a farmer, ...Although the man is kind to her and has taken advantage of neither her family name nor her virginity, Electra resents being cast out of her house and her mother's loyalty to Aegisthus.

The adult Orestes returns to Argos with his friend Pylades, to visit his father's tomb and spy out the land. ..hoping for revenge and ends up at the house of Electra and her husband. After† having first concealed their identities in order to get information, Electra is eager to help her brother in bringing down Clytemnestra and Aegisthus, and they conspire together...
Orestes sets off and kills Aegisthus.

Sound familiar?

So------------>
General Carrasco = Agamemnon
Anna =† Clytemnestra
Tomas = Aegisthus
Isabel = Electra
Sebastian and Rafael = Orestes and Pylades
Piero Lulli = a sadistic henchman of Aegisthus

In the play... Electra & Orestes† kill Clytemnestra,† or Orestes does it alone.. I'm not sure.....but that was handled a little differently in the movie.

And some people say that Spaghetti Westerns are crap..to them I say.."pish..tosh".





Leone once said: " I believe the greatest storyteller of westerns was Homer. "


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 30, 2006, 10:04:38 PM


And some people say that Spaghetti Westerns are crap..to them I say.."pish..tosh".





What does this statement have to do with the over all?


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 30, 2006, 11:01:25 PM
Compared to Baldis' other westerns FORGOTTEN PISTOLERO is inarguably the best. Whereas his other westerns were standard shoot'em ups he was trying for something a bit different here and turned in a really classy effort. A movie doesn't have to feature constant action from beginning to end to be good nor does it have to make sense as long as it's entertaining in some fashion. Although FP doesn't have abundant action, it does have a good story and a great score that accentuates what action there is. A great underrated film in my book. There are two versions available from xploited. One is a limited edition of 666 pieces. I have the Marketing Films version which utilizes the same print as the X-rated Kult sp. ed. There is a 45 minute documentary on Baldis westerns sadly only in german on the disc I have.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on April 30, 2006, 11:15:32 PM
Compared to Baldis' other westerns FORGOTTEN PISTOLERO is inarguably the best.

I totally agree. I've always liked Baldi for taking chances & trying different things, but this surely his most "adult"..least "cartoonish" film.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 30, 2006, 11:17:04 PM
but this surely his most "adult"..least "cartoonish" film.

But that doesnt make it good.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Arizona Colt on April 30, 2006, 11:40:11 PM
It seemed he was aiming for Leone status with this one.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 01, 2006, 12:18:48 AM
It seemed he was aiming for Leone status with this one.

Besides the Morricone like soundtrack(which rivals almost anything Morricone did for the dollars trilogy) I dont see how that is possible.

I guess I have to cut my losses and see it again.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Banjo on May 01, 2006, 06:09:46 AM
There are two versions available from xploited. One is a limited edition of 666 pieces. I have the Marketing Films version which utilizes the same print as the X-rated Kult sp. ed. There is a 45 minute documentary on Baldis westerns sadly only in german on the disc I have.
So there isn't currently a longer version than 84 minutes then?


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Banjo on May 01, 2006, 06:42:52 AM
I guess I have to cut my losses and see it again.
I shudda included it in the SW league Firecracker!
Seems to be very popular ;D


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Sundance on May 01, 2006, 07:09:21 AM
The Marketing Films version is actually only about 80minutes and couple of seconds long which does seem too short.

I don't remember ever seen anyone describing any scene that could be missing and neither have I seen anyone claiming (so that they would actually know) that the disc would be cut. Some have of course suspected it to be cut.

Who knows, maybe the jap disc might be longer as it's runtime has been listed at 88minutes somewhere and even though they use NTSC in Japan their SW discs usually run in PAL. Then again it could be NTSC and the runtime could be wrong by several minutes.
But I don't think I'll be spending $40 right now to find out. ;D


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on May 01, 2006, 07:31:47 AM
The X-Kult† limited edition (the 'only 666 piece' version) claims:
Length: 80 + 10 Min.

......and this description of the Japanese DVD :

THE FORGOTTEN PISTOLERO/IL PISTOLERO DELL'AVE MARIA. From SPO Entertainment, Japan. English and Italian language versions, both 80 mins. Subtitles in Japanese, English and Italian. Olivier Tocanne writes, "Letterboxed, approximatively 1.66. Incredible master, one of the best I have seen for an only letterboxed DVD. Blazing colours, without defects. Bonus: Interview with Ferdinando Baldi, Italian language, subtitled only in Japanese. The Dictionary Gremese gives a running time of 86 mns."

I don't know what The Dictionary Gremese is.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on May 01, 2006, 11:07:30 AM
This just in.....Breaking News-----------> ;)

Keith Crocker over at Cinefear just shot me an email in reply to my asking him about an Italian version of "...Forgotten Pistolero"........said he........

"I'm quite sure my Italian version is uncut and runs well over 90 minutes, but let me double check. Sorry to say there are no English subs on it, it's off of a tape I got from Italy".


I'll keep you posted.

Now back to our regularly scheduled message board.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Arizona Colt on May 02, 2006, 12:15:54 AM
I must correct my earlier post. The Baldi documentary is on my german BLINDMAN disc although the Marketing Films FP disc has a lot of special features itself even though they're all in german.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 02, 2006, 11:09:46 AM
I must correct my earlier post. The Baldi documentary is on my german BLINDMAN disc although the Marketing Films FP disc has a lot of special features itself even though they're all in german.

Did you still sit through it? I am sure it has interesting archive footage.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Banjo on May 02, 2006, 11:13:06 AM
This just in.....Breaking News-----------> ;)

Keith Crocker over at Cinefear just shot me an email in reply to my asking him about an Italian version of "...Forgotten Pistolero"........said he........

"I'm quite sure my Italian version is uncut and runs well over 90 minutes, but let me double check. Sorry to say there are no English subs on it, it's off of a tape I got from Italy".


I'll keep you posted.

Now back to our regularly scheduled message board.
Nice work Boardwalk Angel :)
Maybe someone should tap Franco Cleef on the shoulder about a possible restoration with English subtitles for the extra 5/10 minutes! ::)


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 02, 2006, 11:26:34 AM

Maybe someone should tap Franco Cleef on the shoulder about a possible restoration with English subtitles for the extra 5/10 minutes! ::)

I wont buy that.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Banjo on May 02, 2006, 11:29:51 AM
Even if it drastically improves the ending which you seem to take issue with?


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 02, 2006, 11:31:48 AM
Even if it drastically improves the ending which you seem to take issue with?

The ending isnt all I take issue with. Its the whole last hour and ten minutes of the film i take issue with.

Franco Cleef's remastering will not change that.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on May 02, 2006, 11:39:18 AM
Nice work Boardwalk Angel :)
Maybe someone should tap Franco Cleef on the shoulder about a possible restoration with English subtitles for the extra 5/10 minutes! ::)

I was thinking the same thing...at least it confirms what most of us suspected...and until I get the full report...looks like at least 10 minutes was chopped..& that's a significant amount.
I'll be interested to find out the aspect ratio on the tape...there were at least a few SW that made it to tape in† a widescreen format..usually in 1:85 instead of 2:35 (Scope).


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on May 02, 2006, 03:11:02 PM
Well........turns out to be a little longer-------------->

"My copy of Pistolero runs 85 minutes.... It is fullscreen right off a master tape."

There could still be a restoration....but the restored scenes would be fullscreen (better than nothing).



Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Banjo on May 02, 2006, 03:48:38 PM
Thanks Boardwalk Angel-did he give any indication of what this extra minute of footage contains-the ending maybe?


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: boardwalk_angel on May 02, 2006, 05:51:43 PM
did he give any indication of what this extra minute of footage contains-the ending maybe?

I never got around to asking that.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Arizona Colt on May 02, 2006, 11:11:44 PM
What's wrong with the ending? Sebastian confronts his fathers killer amidst the burning mansion the three main characters grew up in killing him slowly as if to give the villain a brief moment to contemplate all that he has done before his inevitable death. The scene was shot very well. I watched this again last night and could not find anything to not like about it. The action was spread evenly between the dramatic scenes and even though there are no bits where the heroes take on armies of bad guys the plot doesn't require it. I'll check out the Baldi documentary and see if there are any other films from him besides the four I've seen as this movie was a surprise for me and makes me want to check out more from the mans career.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Banjo on May 03, 2006, 06:27:56 AM
I think the endings great apart from the abrupt cut to the riding off scene.Do you have the same four as me-Forgotten Pistolero,Blindman,Texas Addio and Viva Django?
I've seen and been tempted by copies of Hate Thy Neighbour DVD's on Ebay.Apparently the musical Little Rita of the West should be avoided and the Carambola movies are poor clones of the Trinity films.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on May 03, 2006, 11:20:48 AM
-Forgotten Pistolero,Blindman,Texas Addio and Viva Django?



I am sure this was addressed to Colt but I thought I might chip in anyway...

Yes Banjo these are his best known quality sws. "Little Rita" should not be bothered with as I hear.

Also he did two Tony Anthony westerns(besides Blindman) "Get mean"(which is insane!) and "Comin at ya!"


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Sundance on May 03, 2006, 12:03:26 PM
Thanks for the info boardwalk_angel!

I just wonder if the tape actually was a PAL speed and not NTSC. Hehe, I'm sure it is PAL but you can never know for sure with these. :P

Anyways, ANICA (Italian Association of Cinematographic Audiovisual and Multimedia Industries) seems to give the film's german theatrical release a running time of 91minutes which would be around 87minutes PAL. And if I have understood ANICA's infos correctly (I may very well be wrong, but this is what I have been told ;D ) they list the metric length of the footage of the italian release, which in this case (with 35mm film) would make 105minutes which would be 101mins PAL.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Arizona Colt on May 04, 2006, 12:13:18 AM
Yes those are the ones I have. Enjoyable films all but I was slightly disappointed with DJANGO GET A COFFIN READY as it wasn't as dramatic as the original nor did you really care about any of the characters. Still, as entertainment value is concerned it's a very colorful movie with a comic book feel about it and it was nice to see how Django came to be.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Banjo on May 04, 2006, 02:12:57 AM
Thanks for the info boardwalk_angel!

I just wonder if the tape actually was a PAL speed and not NTSC. Hehe, I'm sure it is PAL but you can never know for sure with these. :P

Anyways, ANICA (Italian Association of Cinematographic Audiovisual and Multimedia Industries) seems to give the film's german theatrical release a running time of 91minutes which would be around 87minutes PAL. And if I have understood ANICA's infos correctly (I may very well be wrong, but this is what I have been told ;D ) they list the metric length of the footage of the italian release, which in this case (with 35mm film) would make 105minutes which would be 101mins PAL.
Cheers Sundance i'm not at all surprised theres a 101 minute version and i'm hopeful that a Franco-type reconstruction will emerge eventually ::)


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Banjo on May 04, 2006, 02:16:54 AM
Yes those are the ones I have. Enjoyable films all but I was slightly disappointed with DJANGO GET A COFFIN READY as it wasn't as dramatic as the original nor did you really care about any of the characters. Still, as entertainment value is concerned it's a very colorful movie with a comic book feel about it and it was nice to see how Django came to be.
To the contrary i was really thrilled when i saw Viva Django just recently.It does have a comic book feel but its also immaculately made like Baldis other sw's and the musical score is fab.Excellent companion piece to the original! :)


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Marco Leone on May 05, 2006, 03:56:21 PM
I've really enjoyed most of the Baldi films I've seen.  Hate Thy Neighbour was quite enjoyable flick too incidently (there is a review on my pages if anyone is interested).  ::)


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Banjo on May 05, 2006, 06:31:59 PM
Cheers Marco-i take it you got it from the usual source? ;)


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: Banjo on May 26, 2007, 12:50:59 PM
Arizona Colts review:-

FORGOTTEN PISTOLERO, THE- 1970-Ferdinando Baldiís best western relies more on the dramatic elements lending the action scenes more punch. An operatic spaghetti oater with Shakespearean tragedy at its core sees a General returning from the war only to be brutally double crossed and murdered by his scheming wife who uses any man in the vicinity to accomplish her goals. Her son Sebastian disappears, the shock of the events that night causing him to forget much of what happened. Years later, a former childhood friend, Raffael, finds him and explains all leading to an ending of familial vengeance where everybody suffers. Composer Roberto Pregadio supplies one of the most beautiful spaghetti scores ever. The leads are all attractive especially the women. Luciana Paluzzi is exceptionally stunning as the deceiving matriarch. The many other Spanish bar women are also very seductive. One scene reveals through dialog, the horrifying reason why Raffael cannot enjoy a womanís touch which is hinted at several times throughout the film. Again Baldiís characters, as in the following years BLINDMAN, all seem to be dressed as post apocalyptic hippies which is refreshing lending the film a hip appearance. Itís brief running time of 81 minutes suggests some footage may have been removed although all known versions run this length.


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: The Firecracker on August 02, 2007, 12:44:41 AM
To the contrary i was really thrilled when i saw Viva Django just recently.It does have a comic book feel but its also immaculately made like Baldis other sw's and the musical score is fab.Excellent companion piece to the original! :)


Wild East is releasing it soon (along with Chuck Mool).
I have already asked them if it is uncut. They will get back to me shortly.


http://www.wildeast.net/catalog1.html


Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: titoli on April 11, 2008, 10:05:21 PM
Yeah the soundrtrack is beautiful:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG-UdiN_i4M&feature=related

The women are beautiful (Pilar Velazquez of course tops them all) but the story requires a great deal of credulity. Also, you Boardwalk Angel pointed out to the literary origin of the plot which makes the result all the more unsatisfying as the characters are little or no developed (expecially the two murderous lovers) or absolutely inconsistent (Pilar Velazquez), adding to that all that razzle dazzle about whose children they are. But the opening scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR0GWQKT4IQ

is very good (I like the way Martell kills his puirsuers) so I give it a 7\10.




Title: Re: Forgotten Pistolero aka Il pistolero dell'Ave Maria (1969)
Post by: cigar joe on April 12, 2008, 03:53:54 AM
Thanks for those clips