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Title: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: cigar joe on June 26, 2005, 05:46:10 AM
Ok saw this the other night picked this Sartana mostly because it had Claus Kinsky and Frank Wolff in it also, Garko plays Sartana, and his outfit is basically a Mortimer knock-off .

It plays like a cheap TV western reminded me alot of the Wild Wild West. The beginning robbery sequence and the whole set up was quite absurd, the North West Bank advertizes itself around the town, one sign reads something to the effect that "its bounty hunters are the best around" another says "be client of North West Bank". It has armed guards that wear shirts that have ridiculous leather shoulder patches that start about chest high and oversized star badges they look like a western version of the Keystone Cops. The gunshots all sound as if they were recorded in a culvert a bit muffeled.

The basic story is the holdup gang makes it look as if Sartana masterminded the robery, so there is a price on Sartana's head, and while Sartana is out trying to redeem his image, Wolff and Kinsky are after the price on his head.

This is another example along with Navajo Joe where if you are not very familiar with the real American West you you won't even know that there is any disbelief to suspend, lol.  While on the other hand Leone films give you the impression that they might have actually have happend.

Shobary's site rates it high (87%) as does some of the polls on the SW board, I definitely don't. Which is one of the dangers of attaching too much value to opinions from the SW board in general. I may be getting close to the end of my quest of the best SW's. If this one rates 87%, I'm wondering how really bad the the lower down films are.


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: Marco Leone on June 26, 2005, 02:04:53 PM
Interesting stuff CJ.  I recently watched the first of the Sartana series a few weeks back.  It reminded me of a cross between Sabata and Django.  I quite enjoyed it, but got confused as to where it was actually going on many occasions!

Its weird though, the search for great SWs.  Some of the ones you are expecting to be great aren't, and yet you can stumble across some really little known gems.  Last weeks viewing, Forgotten Pistolero would be right up there with the best of them.


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: cigar joe on June 27, 2005, 04:36:13 AM
Yea I know what you mean, I'm going to have to check that one out, too


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: Marco Leone on June 27, 2005, 01:44:26 PM
I guess being from the lil Isle of England, I don't truly understand the real American history (come to think of it, I struggle enough with my own history and origins!!!), so those SW makers can serve me up whatever they like and I believe  ;D


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: bronsky on June 28, 2005, 12:21:08 PM
I think that this one is better than the original (Sartana pray for Your Death). It tells a somewhat straight story which is somewhat credible and I'm not talking about historical accuracy.  If you like the first one you should like this one, too.

Texas Rangers which I saw lately seemed quite accurate but was little entertaining.


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: Marco Leone on June 28, 2005, 01:20:11 PM
Conversely, everybody ADORES Corbucci-but his stuff doesn't sound like my kind of thing, so I haven't seen anything by him but Django, a long time back.

True.  Actually, personally Corbucci's movies are pretty close to Leone's for class.  I like his styles and shocks.

When I first got into SWs, I would try and get hold of movies recommended by other people (particularly, I used the Howard Hughes book as a starting point).  From then on, I got films that had actors in them that I had seen in ones I enjoyed.  Now I go for ones with cool titles  ;D


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: Banjo on June 29, 2005, 05:24:18 AM
I also found Hughes book(plus various polls and review sites) an excellent starting point and although i disagree with somes of his opinions  i already have 26 of the 31 films reviewed and i feel they were good choices.I have also bought many of the additional key films listed at the back of the book.
Like Marco i have tended to concentrate on certain actors(and directors).I have all  Franco Nero westerns(bar Cry Onion-this really is bad apparently!!)and these are all great.Tessari's  Long Live Your Death(with Eli Wallach)is very similar in quality and style to Corbucci's Companeros/Mercenary films.Likewise Castellari's Jonathan of the Bears  is a deadringer for his own classic Keoma.Other top notch Nero films never mentioned here are Man,Pride and Vengeance and Deaf Smith and Johnny Ears.
It would be a shame if anyone was put off the Gianni Garko Sartana series as personally i think that the one discussed  in this thread is easily  the weakest in the series.The organ doubling as a cannon and the exploding indian robot in Light the Fuse Sartana is Coming need to be seen to be believed!!!


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: Cusser on June 29, 2005, 09:30:58 AM
Banjo - just recently my current wife got me the Howard Hughes book from the library, but it only reviewed 20 films (and Once/West was not even among them).  Is there an updated edition with 31 films that you have?


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: KERMIT on August 30, 2005, 06:19:11 PM
Nothing short of great stuff here with an excellent cast
including the vastly underrated Frank Wolff. 


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: indio on September 11, 2005, 01:58:55 PM
i haven't seen any of the sartana series but i do like william berger. a true unsung hero of the spag western. the only one you can get in the uk is sartana in the valley of death , is it worth getting?


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: boardwalk_angel on February 14, 2006, 09:03:36 AM
I found it to be a pretty a entertaining whodunit...w/  tongue firmly planted in it's SW cheek.
There's a good amount of tension & action as Sartana tries to get to the bottom of it all..who framed him...& of course he wouldn't mind finding the $$$...as he's trailed & stalked by bounty hunters as well as people trying to get their hands on the $$.
 The music/score is OK...although Sartana's theme, while good..is overplayed over & over & over (& over) ... & Kinski's theme --> the banjo tune--> is a very annoying  "Santa Claus is coming to Town" riff.

It's one of Kinski's most sane SW roles as the unlucky gambler/bounty hunter...Hot Dead

SW w/ a twinkle...& a pretty good script.
It's not one of the greats...but it's not bad.


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: boardwalk_angel on April 12, 2006, 09:02:42 PM
I Am Sartana Your Angel of Death (1969)
a/k/a Sartana the Gravedigger
Sono Sartana, il vostro becchino
                                                                        (http://userwww.aimnet.ne.jp/user/django-kill/P2/Garko/img/s_ip2-sonosartana.jpg)
Cast
Gianni Garko ....  Sartana (as John Garko)
Frank Wolff ....  Buddy Ben
Klaus Kinski ....  Hot Dead
Gordon Mitchell ....  Deguello
 
Directed by
Giuliano Carnimeo
Original Music by
Elsio Mancuso   
 
The second film in the popular Sartana series is, on the whole,  pretty entertaining ..well spun in Carnimeo's typical "Sartana" style....combining a whodunit...w/ elements of a smokey good mystery...with SW action & humor.
More than a bit tongue in cheek...yet straining for credibility & often (but not always) hitting the mark.

"Sono Sartana......" hits the ground running...in a snappy opening...as Sartana is implicated in a bank robbery. A $10000 reward on his head insures that he's pursued by bounty hunters....many of whom are known to him already as friends, allies, competitors.
There's a good amount of tension & unpredictability as Sartana tries to get to the bottom of it all, as he follows the trail of clues as to who framed him.. as well as the wherabouts of the $$$$$...all the while being stalked by bounty hunters and people trying to get their own grubby little hands on the $$$$$.
Unfortunately...those remaining who can shed any light on the issue are knocked off before he can get to them.

The trail takes him to Poker Flats...a gambling town where everybody's a cheat...out for themselves...& can't  be trusted. A shady saloon owner...corrupt judge...dishonest sherriff....are but 3 of the slightly twisted characters we meet in this quirky corner of 'Spaghettiville'.

Frank Wolff puts in a nice turn as Buddy Ben...although willing to lend his assistance, you never know exactly where his loyalties or motivations lie............& it's a nice performance.
 Kinski delivers one of his most sane SW roles as the unlucky gambler/bounty hunter...........Hot Dead.

Mancuso's music/score has some nice moments...and some lesser ones. Sartana's theme is good..but tends to be overplayed...over & over & over (and over)...........Kinski's theme --> a little banjo tune --> is recognizable as "Santa Claus is coming to town."  Interesting choice of melody...to say the least.
 
All in all...an enjoyable romp.......with enough twists & turns to keep you guessing.......
Within a genre filled w / copycats & overused plots...I appreciate any SW that has a different style...w/ at least an attempt at an original plot.
"Sono" manages to be intelligent...funny ..pretty brutal w/ a lot of action...& an entirely satisfying conclusion.
 Sprinkled throughout are some great names ..Slim Shotgun...Shadow...DeGuello......some great dialogue...the bounty hunter who announces his arrival with "I am death"...& of course Sartana's quip "I'm your gravedigger".

My cherished little copy used for this review is in Italian w/ English subs..so I can't comment on the English dubbed version...nor can I be aware of any changes or differences in the English translation (and there always are differences).
SW w/ a definite twinkle.  ;)


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: Banjo on April 13, 2006, 07:01:45 AM
Nice review Boardwalk Angel-yes the Santa Claus tune is irritating.Don't you think that Frank Wolf(as Buddy Ben) looks totally ridiculous in the torn top hat?
   Nowhere near a patch on the original of course-much too lightweight!!   


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2006, 07:05:33 AM

   Nowhere near a patch on the original of course-much too lightweight!!   

is that why you dislike it? you miss the Gothic supernatural feel?


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: Banjo on April 13, 2006, 07:08:55 AM
Thats a lot to do with it but also the 3rd and 4th Garko entries come over a lot cooler with fantastic Nicholai scores!I don't recall any fan gadgets in Angel of Death even ???


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2006, 07:10:34 AM
I don't recall any fan gadgets in Angel of Death even ???

not really that many to choose from in "have a nice funeral". all you have is the razor edged playing cards and the steel watch. you can hardly call those gadgets.


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: Banjo on April 13, 2006, 07:18:18 AM
Well i like them :-*


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2006, 07:22:26 AM
Well i like them :-*


yes the last two are excellent entries. better than the first me thinks.


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: Banjo on April 13, 2006, 07:23:47 AM

better than the first me thinks.
Ah! Perhaps i'm starting to sway you a bit ;)


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: The Firecracker on April 13, 2006, 07:24:47 AM
Ah! Perhaps i'm starting to sway you a bit ;)

hardly. I still stand by that "light the fuse...sartana is coming" is much better than the first.
it has more class.
with Berger or not!


"have a good funeral" and "sartana" are about the same, but "funeral" surpasses it a bit. even though it lacks the action the others have,  it has the best score of all the movies.


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: boardwalk_angel on April 15, 2006, 10:09:13 PM
Don't you think that Frank Wolf(as Buddy Ben) looks totally ridiculous in the torn top hat? 

Actually..I like his outfit...& his appearance...unshaven, unkempt..kinda different for Frank Wolff.
Watching it in Italian...Garko calls him 'Boodie-Ben'  ;D
and Kinski is 'Hott-eh Dedd-eh'  :D
That was fun.


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: The Firecracker on April 15, 2006, 10:14:36 PM
Actually..I like his outfit...& his appearance...unshaven, unkempt..kinda different for Frank Wolff.
Watching it in Italian...Garko calls him 'Boodie-Ben'  ;D
and Kinski is 'Hott-eh Dedd-eh'  :D
That was fun.

The Franco cleef version(assuming that is the copy you saw) has an italian track?


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: Banjo on April 16, 2006, 09:18:28 AM
Quote:-My cherished little copy used for this review is in Italian w/ English subs..so I can't comment on the English dubbed version...nor can I be aware of any changes or differences in the English translation (and there always are differences).
SW w/ a definite twinkle. 

No it can't be Firecracker :-*


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: The Firecracker on April 16, 2006, 09:42:14 PM
Quote:-My cherished little copy used for this review is in Italian w/ English subs..so I can't comment on the English dubbed version...nor can I be aware of any changes or differences in the English translation (and there always are differences).
SW w/ a definite twinkle. 

No it can't be Firecracker :-*


I am either blind or an idiot.
possibly both.


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: The Firecracker on April 24, 2006, 01:14:37 AM
i haven't seen any of the sartana series but i do like william berger. a true unsung hero of the spag western. the only one you can get in the uk is sartana in the valley of death , is it worth getting?

no Indio I hear "sartana in the valley of death" is awful.


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: Banjo on April 24, 2006, 05:14:27 PM
I think Marco said this isn't too bad-the main problem being the cuts!


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: titoli on May 02, 2007, 05:27:46 PM
This was on tv last sunday, so I had the chance to watch it again after some 40 years. It is not the best of Sartana's. even less Garko's. It has all those defects CJ pointed out to (but why did you watch it at all?), it has some longish scenes, foreseeable plot twists. Still is the kind of fun I can't find anywhere else, only in this series (not even in the Trinity movies, which are just too comedic, though unequalled in their kind). These could never had been made in USA.  This is another face of SW which has the italian touch. ANd I like so much Garko. And Kinski. I could watch Kinski recite a telephone book. Not the best SW, but to watch if you like SW's lighter tones.


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: The Firecracker on May 03, 2007, 12:38:45 AM
This was on tv last sunday, so I had the chance to watch it again after some 40 years. It is not the best of Sartana's. even less Garko's. It has all those defects CJ pointed out to (but why did you watch it at all?), it has some longish scenes, foreseeable plot twists. Still is the kind of fun I can't find anywhere else, only in this series (not even in the Trinity movies, which are just too comedic, though unequalled in their kind). These could never had been made in USA.  This is another face of SW which has the italian touch. ANd I like so much Garko. And Kinski. I could watch Kinski recite a telephone book. Not the best SW, but to watch if you like SW's lighter tones.



It had the potential to be the best of the Sartana's but it fails somewhere half way through. The plot is unusually straight forward for the series but you get lost the last 10 minutes.
Agree with Shobary's rating (87%).


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: Banjo on May 03, 2007, 02:39:40 AM
This is still easily my least favourite Garko Sartana.

The last 10 minutes are almost impossible to follow(but unlike Parolini's confusing Sartana this movie isn't engaging enough for me to care to much) and in places muffled dialogue doesn't help and the abrupt editing of some of the dialogue leads to to suspect there are cuts.


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: The Firecracker on May 03, 2007, 02:44:29 AM
This is still easily my least favourite Garko Sartana.

The last 10 minutes are almost impossible to follow(but unlike Parolini's confusing Sartana this movie isn't engaging enough for me to care to much) and in places muffled dialogue doesn't help and the abrupt editing of some of the dialogue leads to to suspect there are cuts.



I remember reading once that the Franco Cleef  version (the supposed best version of this film possible) is actually cut by 7 full minutes!!! :o


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: Banjo on May 03, 2007, 02:52:11 AM


I remember reading once that the Franco Cleef  version (the supposed best version of this film possible) is actually cut by 7 full minutes!!! :o
I never told you this before but i gave away a pan and scan version of the movie(the quality was so bad it was almost unwatchable) which had an additional 5 minute scene of a (Sartana-less showdown in the church) which was reinacted at the end of the movie.This missing scene didn't have any bearing on the rest of the movie which is why i wasn't bothered about giving it away.


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: The Firecracker on May 03, 2007, 02:58:34 AM
I never told you this before but i gave away a pan and scan version of the movie(the quality was so bad it was almost unwatchable) which had an additional 5 minute scene of a (Sartana-less showdown in the church) which was reinacted at the end of the movie.This missing scene didn't have any bearing on the rest of the movie which is why i wasn't bothered about giving it away.

That's bizarre. That must be the missing 7 minutes. Perhaps it was Franco Cleef's best judgement to leave it out.

Any hope of picking this up again?


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: Banjo on May 03, 2007, 03:08:00 AM
That's bizarre. That must be the missing 7 minutes. Perhaps it was Franco Cleef's best judgement to leave it out.

Any hope of picking this up again?
I sent it to Leone Admirer.This was before i bought my dvd recorder.If he still has it but can't burn a copy i could always ruin the film by doing what i did with that Long Live Your Death dvd,ie edit in the pan & scan scene ;D


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: titoli on May 03, 2007, 05:32:01 PM
how long is the version you're talking about, without the 7 min.? I didn't have any problem following the last ten minutes (you mean adfter or before the Gordon Mitchell shootout?

SPOILER

He shoots Borgese anf then he's "shot" by Wolff who can take him to the bank director who's the real boss behind the bank heist.


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: The Firecracker on May 03, 2007, 09:20:14 PM
how long is the version you're talking about, without the 7 min.? I didn't have any problem following the last ten minutes (you mean adfter or before the Gordon Mitchell shootout?

SPOILER

He shoots Borgese anf then he's "shot" by Wolff who can take him to the bank director who's the real boss behind the bank heist.


About five minutes before the Gordon Mitchell showdown in the gambeling house. when Sartana is speaking at a rapid speed to Buddy Ben in the cemetery.
Alot of things there don't add up. You get the jest by the end of the film but it leaves you scratching your head.


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: The Firecracker on May 03, 2007, 09:21:37 PM
how long is the version you're talking about, without the 7 min.?


The version you saw on italian television (?) would most likely be the cut version since the extra footage is unwatchable.


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: titoli on May 03, 2007, 10:07:18 PM
http://www.spaghettiwestern.altervista.org/garko2.htm

here the talk is of 97', which makes a 93' running time for tv.


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: Banjo on May 04, 2007, 09:41:18 AM
how long is the version you're talking about, without the 7 min.?
The 7 minute segment which existed on the pan and scan dvd i gave away were the scenes covering the first church hall showdown between the casino boss and an anomynous ripped off gambler right at the point just before Sartana arrives at the casino town.
Like the first scene in Man With The Golden Gun where Scaramanga has the amusement arcade duel with the gangster,i'm sure the intention of this unfortunately cut sequence from my widescreen dvd was to show to the audience what our hero was eventually letting himself in for.


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: Banjo on May 04, 2007, 09:46:09 AM

Buddy Ben in the cemetery.
Yes that is exactly where i lose the plot too despite how many times i replay this. :(

Maybe we could do a reconstruction up to this scene(apart from the deleted segment which i'm certain doesn't affect the rest of the movie) and then maybe Titoli would be kind enough to fill in all the gaps at the end? O0


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: titoli on May 04, 2007, 03:37:21 PM
The 97' is the real during time of my tv version, which makes a theatre version of more than 101'. How long is yours?


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: Banjo on May 07, 2007, 05:40:35 AM
The 97' is the real during time of my tv version, which makes a theatre version of more than 101'. How long is yours?
My copy is a (decent widescreen) bootleg bought very cheaply from Ebay with a homemade sleeve stating 96 minutes.If Firecrackers keen,or if i'm in the right mood i'll watch this movie sometime in the week and jot out the plot.


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: Banjo on May 14, 2007, 05:00:27 PM
Firecracker did you finish this in the last week (and take notes)? ???


Title: Re: Sartana Your Angel of Death
Post by: Banjo on May 26, 2007, 03:49:36 AM
Silenzio's  review:-

I Am Sartana, Your Angel of Death -- My second of the Sartana series, and my second Carmineo film as well.  With a director like that, and the great SW actors like Frank Wolff, Gianni Garko, and Klaus Kinski, it's really hard to go wrong with this SW.  And it doesn't go wrong.  This movie is not a failure, but it's not great, either.  The plot is pretty good (Sartana is framed for a robbery) but by the last fifteen minutes or so it gets really convoluted (and not in a good "If You Meet Sartana, Pray For Your Death" convoluted, I mean like convoluted but I really don't care whether or not I know what's going on).  It's still and interesting and fun watch, though.  The score seems a little uninspired, I'd say.  Klaus Kinski's theme rips off from the most unlikely place.... "Santa Claus is Coming to Town."  And one scene has a melody very similar to " 'Pop' Goes the Weasel."  I hope the other Garko-Sartanas are better than this movie.