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Title: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: sadhill on July 18, 2005, 04:47:59 PM
Here is a cut and edited out scene I reconstructed.

 In the movie as shown, after Tuco tries to get away from Blondie on horseback, we see Blondie touch off a cannon with his cigar (note: no ram rod in this first shot), after the blast lands, Tuco falls off his horse, gets up looks around and runs away. Next we see Blondie with his head/hat bowed with ram rod in hand and off goes another cannon blast. Tuco now running away (towards camera) dives and rolls as blast hits the ground and end up next to the grave stone.

 In the special edition DVD there is a cut scene of Tuco and a cannon which misfires and falls apart and a black and white still shot showing this. This montage is cut and spiced together as I believe the action happened.

The scene should have been seen like this... after Blondie gets off his first shot, Tuco land on the ground near an intact cannon, he gets up and fires the cannon back at Blondie, however the cannon misfires and falls apart. Blondie seeing this has his head bowed as a reaction to Tuco's cannon blast.  Blondie having already reloaded his cannon, evidenced by the fact that he now has the ram rod in hand, gets off his 2nd shot after his reload, Tuco now turns to get away (also note the smoke around after Tuco's misfire), ends up running towards camera diving and rolling as the blast hits the ground and ends up on the grave stone.  You will note the destroyed cannon as evidenced by the cannon's wheel seen between the trees and also note Blondies cannon firing in the background.  

So in the movie as released in whatever format we never get to see Tuco's cannon retaliation shot in sequence....until now!


(http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/7995/gbucannonreconstructscene6qk.jpg)
updated April 2016, imageshack images now invalid so I uploaded the entire finished sequence below including the discussions and added images
click links for  image
http://postimg.org/image/6oot9deon/
http://s31.postimg.org/j3bl9p66z/gbucannonreconstruct2.jpg

http://imgur.com/Nsjcgv3



Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Beebs on July 18, 2005, 04:53:05 PM
That would make a very interesting delima. Further showing Tuco's clumsiness.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: cigar joe on July 18, 2005, 05:01:20 PM
Bravo! great stuff sadhill!


Title: Nice work
Post by: Hanley on July 19, 2005, 03:12:22 AM
Well put together! Note in the last two frames that you can see the small mound on the left where Eros Bacciucchi's special effects team placed a charge/explosives.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Le Bon on July 20, 2005, 12:57:05 PM
Excellent work Sadhill. I wasn't sure until your reconstruction if Tuco fired the Cannon after Blondie's first or second shot. Have you seen the B/W still of Tuco with the ramrod in the Cannon. I had these two stills for many years and it wasn't till the GBU SE came out last year that it all became clear.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: sadhill on July 20, 2005, 01:21:48 PM
No I have not seen that still shot of Tuco w/ ram rod in cannon. If so maybe the scene went like this.. Blondie shoots off his first shot (cannon was found loaded and ready to fire), he misses, Tuco gets up and sees the cannon near him. There is then a race to see who can reload his cannon first to get off the next shot, Tuco with his clumsy and frantic effort attempts to load and fire his cannon first but it misfires, Blondie just takes his time as usual, no panic,  does it right to get off his 2nd shot. This makes more sense as to why Tuco's cannon misfires.

If anyone has that shot please post it!


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: sadhill on July 21, 2005, 04:34:48 PM
here is the cannon image from the opening credits
(http://img303.imageshack.us/img303/8471/gbutucocannon3mp.jpg)
and another shot from an italian movie poster
(http://img303.imageshack.us/img303/2453/tucocannon18ea.jpg)

Here is the video from the french trailer (link only good for 7 days!)

http://s42.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2VX8OQM7K1OZ63GV5KIG887AHD  (http://s42.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2VX8OQM7K1OZ63GV5KIG887AHD)


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: cigar joe on July 22, 2005, 04:18:59 AM
Cool thanks much


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Beebs on July 22, 2005, 07:53:30 AM
The Italian poster kinda looks funny. Funny expression on Tuco's part


Title: Tuco w/ Cannon newer re-constuct
Post by: sadhill on July 27, 2005, 01:39:17 PM
Here is  Tuco's cannon sequence with the additional photos.
(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7360/tucocannon9fn.jpg)

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6011/tucoloadingcannon2mc.jpg click this link for the single picture of Tuco loading the cannon...thank-you LE BON for sending this over!

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/1289/gbucannonreconstruct25vn.jpg click here for the entire sequence w/ added pictures


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Le Bon on July 27, 2005, 02:20:58 PM
Nice work... looks great!!


Title: Re: Nice work
Post by: The Firecracker on March 23, 2006, 11:10:59 PM
Well put together! Note in the last two frames that you can see the small mound on the left where Eros Bacciucchi's special effects team placed a charge/explosives.

Is the Tuco in the two frames you mentioned a "stunt man tuco"? It has never looked like Eli wallach to me.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: roberti on March 25, 2006, 12:43:53 PM
I think the guy who's falling off  the horse is a stunt man tuco.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: iceman on March 26, 2006, 04:35:37 PM
No I have not seen that still shot of Tuco w/ ram rod in cannon. If so maybe the scene went like this.. Blondie shoots off his first shot (cannon was found loaded and ready to fire), he misses, Tuco gets up and sees the cannon near him. There is then a race to see who can reload his cannon first to get off the next shot, Tuco with his clumsy and frantic effort attempts to load and fire his cannon first but it misfires, Blondie just takes his time as usual, no panic,  does it right to get off his 2nd shot. This makes more sense as to why Tuco's cannon misfires.

If anyone has that shot please post it!


Maybe the scene was intended to be similar to the "You said when a man with a rifle meets a man with a 45 the...Blah Blah,,,Lets see if its true" scene from FOD.

Perhaps like.."when a man who knows how to load a cannon properly meets a man who doesn't...the man who doesn't is a dead man" ha! ha!

ICE


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: franksgrandson on March 26, 2006, 05:05:10 PM
This is good stuff maybe we can get a clearer idea of what was intended when Eli speakes at the NFT in May its a good question to ask him


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: The Ugly on April 06, 2006, 10:51:28 AM
Why was that scene omitted? does anyone know? cant uynderstand it myself


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Noodles_SlowStir on April 24, 2007, 08:29:19 PM
Would of been funny to see Blondie shaking his head after the misfire.  "There's two kinds of cannons my friend......."


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: iceman on April 25, 2007, 04:51:18 PM
Am i imagining things :o :o :o :o :o  because if you look at the last picture in Sadhills sequence just before the canon ball lands, can you see a figure of a person just to the right of TUCO's horse's face.... its only tiny but....surely not Angel Eyes ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Maybe not, might be just seeing things?? ??? ??? ??? ???

ICE


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: marmota-b on April 26, 2007, 06:16:58 AM
because if you look at the last picture in Sadhills sequence just before the canon ball lands, can you see a figure of a person just to the right of TUCO's horse's face.... its only tiny but....surely not Angel Eyes

It really looks like there was someone... dressed in black like AE.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: The Firecracker on April 27, 2007, 12:22:06 AM
It really looks like there was someone... dressed in black like AE.


Looks like that could be anything not just a person.



Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: sadhill on May 16, 2007, 06:20:25 PM
just found these in my files so they must be included in the cannon sequence at the beginning.

(http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/5966/gbublondiecannonnv7.jpg)
(http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/9381/clinteastwoodneg031bx9.jpg)
(https://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2015/10/15/gbublondiecannonnv7.jpg)(https://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2015/10/15/clinteastwoodneg031bx9.jpg)


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: tucumcari bound on July 18, 2007, 04:24:29 PM
Great pictures guy's!


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Tuco the ugly on December 06, 2007, 06:31:25 PM
Am i imagining things :o :o :o :o :o  because if you look at the last picture in Sadhills sequence just before the canon ball lands, can you see a figure of a person just to the right of TUCO's horse's face.... its only tiny but....surely not Angel Eyes ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Maybe not, might be just seeing things?? ??? ??? ??? ???

It really looks like there was someone... dressed in black like AE.

Looks like that could be anything not just a person.

(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4218/tuvoaesentenza74125vp8rf4.jpg)

It's probably just an optical illusion.
If you look above the saddle of the horse, you'll see something that looks like AE's head (with the hat). But if you look beneath the horse there aren't any legs. The figure that you're talking about also doesn't appear to have any legs, which is strange.

So, it can be only 4 things:
1) optical illusion
2) ghost (of course, what else)
3) the half-soldier!!!!! (dressed as AE, goofing around)

and

4) the ghost of the half-soldier (that is dressed as AE)


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Tuco the ugly on December 06, 2007, 06:34:10 PM
And I forgot to say; great job Sadhill!  O0


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Lil Brutto on August 08, 2010, 03:57:51 PM
Excellent work Sadhill. I wasn't sure until your reconstruction if Tuco fired the Cannon after Blondie's first or second shot. Have you seen the B/W still of Tuco with the ramrod in the Cannon. I had these two stills for many years and it wasn't till the GBU SE came out last year that it all became clear.

Where can I find the B/W still? Is it in a book?


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Lil Brutto on December 11, 2010, 03:38:20 AM
It hasn't been suggested one way or another in this thread but I just watched this scene frame by frame (Il Buono Il Brutto Il Cattivo MHE BD...my preferred format although not in my first language English) and it appears that the clip of Tuco's cannon misfiring and subsequently collapsing hasn't simply been omitted, as suggested by the OP and others in this thread, due to the presence of smoke after the cannon misfired as Tuco runs away.

Instead, I think the final cut used an alternate shooting of the scene that ultimately SL opted to go with for the final cut of the film. The evidence that supports my conclusion is that the cannon collapses differently in the french trailer than it does in the final cut. This is by no means obvious since you can hardly see the collapsed cannon but if you watch the DVD or BD frame by frame you'll see that this is, in fact, true.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: stanton on December 11, 2010, 05:33:36 AM
I'm glad that this short cannon piece isn't part of the film. Same goes for the missing "Socorro" scene.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Le Bon on December 11, 2010, 12:23:26 PM
It hasn't been suggested one way or another in this thread but I just watched this scene frame by frame (Il Buono Il Brutto Il Cattivo MHE BD...my preferred format although not in my first language English) and it appears that the clip of Tuco's cannon misfiring and subsequently collapsing hasn't simply been omitted, as suggested by the OP and others in this thread, due to the presence of smoke after the cannon misfired as Tuco runs away.

Instead, I think the final cut used an alternate shooting of the scene that ultimately SL opted to go with for the final cut of the film. The evidence that supports my conclusion is that the cannon collapses differently in the french trailer than it does in the final cut. This is by no means obvious since you can hardly see the collapsed cannon but if you watch the DVD or BD frame by frame you'll see that this is, in fact, true.

So the above still with the dead confed on the cannon could be from the alternate scene.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Lil Brutto on December 11, 2010, 01:12:46 PM
So the above still with the dead confed on the cannon could be from the alternate scene.

I believe so.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on December 12, 2010, 04:27:42 AM
I'm glad that this short cannon piece isn't part of the film. Same goes for the missing "Socorro" scene.

I disagree. I think that not having those scenes included screws-up the continuity.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: stanton on December 12, 2010, 05:55:51 AM
Why caring about these absolutely minor continuity problems?

The cannon piece is too much over the top and would spoil the mood of this scene. In every respect completely wrong at this point of the film. The Socorro scene would make the film too long at a point where the film is already shortly before loosing the narrative focus.

GBU works very well in the shorter versions (around 160 min), most of us had lived with for decades. The longer version has already a few not necessary parts, and the so called "Cave scene" should never have been included. You can't make a film longer and longer. Sometimes it serves a film even to delete good scenes, especially when they work against the film's inner rhythm.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Dust Devil on December 12, 2010, 09:33:08 AM
Yeah, I'd have to agree. There's really no purpose putting ALL of the cut material back in the movie. Just put those deleted/missing/whatever scenes on a separate section of the disc, and all is forgiven.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Lil Brutto on December 12, 2010, 10:33:42 PM
I may be in the minority here, but every time I watch the French trailer and I see the clip of the cannon misfiring and Tuco staring dumbfoundedly at the collapsed cannon, I wish that comical scene made the final cut. Nevertheless, based on the info I posted above, the full scene was apparently shot more than once and SL opted for the alternate (i.e. shorter) scene rather than merely cutting the tuco/cannon portion out.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on December 13, 2010, 03:32:15 AM
Why caring about these absolutely minor continuity problems?

The cannon piece is too much over the top and would spoil the mood of this scene. In every respect completely wrong at this point of the film. The Socorro scene would make the film too long at a point where the film is already shortly before loosing the narrative focus.

GBU works very well in the shorter versions (around 160 min), most of us had lived with for decades. The longer version has already a few not necessary parts, and the so called "Cave scene" should never have been included. You can't make a film longer and longer. Sometimes it serves a film even to delete good scenes, especially when they work against the film's inner rhythm.

Leone liked making long films/ telling long stories, didn't he?

I rest my case. :)


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: stanton on December 13, 2010, 05:48:46 AM
Leone liked making long films/ telling long stories, didn't he?



Yes, but that doesn't mean that his films can't become too long.  For me Giu la testa is too long in the first half.

In the end it is of course a matter of tastes, if a film is for someone too long, or the other way round too short.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Jordan Krug on December 13, 2010, 08:43:40 AM
I may be in the minority here, but every time I watch the French trailer and I see the clip of the cannon misfiring and Tuco staring dumbfoundedly at the collapsed cannon, I wish that comical scene made the final cut. Nevertheless, based on the info I posted above, the full scene was apparently shot more than once and SL opted for the alternate (i.e. shorter) scene rather than merely cutting the tuco/cannon portion out.

If you look at all the british/europe trailers for the dollars trilogy (see my thread on this in the fafdm section)- you'll see that every shot used in these trailers (including the GBU french one) is actually a different take (and sometimes a different angle of the same action) than the one that appears in the final film. I think they simply gave their trims to the trailer guys instead of duplicating the actual takes (probably because the trailers were assembled early on in the editorial process).

This technique of using alternate takes instead of duplicating your selected take goes all the way back to metropolis - the recently found argentine version not only has the "lost" scenes, but also contains 80% (only the effect shots are duped) different takes of all the performances.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Lil Brutto on December 13, 2010, 11:57:51 AM
Good info, Jordan. I was comparing the GBU French trailer with the film the other day and I realized that even the less conspicuous shots were alternate takes or shot at different angles. I haven't scrutinized the other $$ film trailers yet but I'll start off by reviewing your thread.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on December 13, 2010, 10:41:08 PM
Yes, but that doesn't mean that his films can't become too long.  For me Giu la testa is too long in the first half.

In the end it is of course a matter of tastes, if a film is for someone too long, or the other way round too short.

If I remember correctly, Leone did not trim his films because he wanted to, but rather because he was forced by UA, Paramount, etc. I think that if it was up to him, the final cuts of his movies would have been so long that they would have to show them as miniseries. ;)


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: The Firecracker on December 15, 2010, 12:39:42 AM

GBU works very well in the shorter versions (around 160 min)


Yes it does.
The international cut has many unnecessary scenes and the 2004 bastardized cut just adds insult to injury.
The aforementioned American cut is leaner and meaner but I do wish the Van Cleef visiting the downed confederate fort was reinstated into that version.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: stanton on December 15, 2010, 02:44:03 AM
We have now a version with a 179 min runtime. The Italian version is mostly given with 180 min or sometimes 182 min.

Cut the Cave scene out, which was maybe originally cut out between the world premiere and the theatrical release, we have a 176 min runtime which could be called the DC.  
According to a book by Oreste de Fornari  some of the other scenes (he mentions Tuco's foot bath) had also been cut after the Premiere, but were restored for a 1983 re-release.

Of these other scenes for me 2 are unnecessary:

1. The one in which Tuco asks for the way to the mission.
2. Blondy and Sentenza after they left the prison camp are disturbed in their night rest by Sentenza's men.

#1 is completely unnecessary and # 2 isn't necessary for the story, but has a funny dialogue about "counting machines". But it is shot with a bad looking day for night filter, and doesn't add anything to the characters we did not know anyway. Both together are about 3 min long.

The other 5 scenes or parts of scenes should be in imo, especially Sentenza at the ruined fort (4 min), Tuco's foot bath (2 min) and more of the drunk Captain at the bridge (beneath 1 min).

This makes a runtime of 173 min, and would be the perfect cut imo.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Dust Devil on December 15, 2010, 03:18:17 AM
We have now a version with a 179 min runtime. The Italian version is mostly given with 180 min or sometimes 182 min.

Cut the Cave scene out, which was maybe originally cut out between the world premiere and the theatrical release, we have a 176 min runtime which could be called the DC.  
According to a book by Oreste de Fornari  some of the other scenes (he mentions Tuco's foot bath) had also been cut after the Premiere, but were restored for a 1983 re-release.

Of these other scenes for me 2 are unnecessary:

1. The one in which Tuco asks for the way to the mission.
2. Blondy and Sentenza after they left the prison camp are disturbed in their night rest by Sentenza's men.

#1 is completely unnecessary and # 2 isn't necessary for the story, but has a funny dialogue about "counting machines". But it is shot with a bad looking day for night filter, and doesn't add anything to the characters we did not know anyway. Both together are about 3 min long.

The other 5 scenes or parts of scenes should be in imo, especially Sentenza at the ruined fort (4 min), Tuco's foot bath (2 min) and more of the drunk Captain at the bridge (beneath 1 min).

This makes a runtime of 173 min, and would be the perfect cut imo.

We think the same.

Not to mention, Eli Wallach's voice.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: cigar joe on December 15, 2010, 04:13:02 AM
We have now a version with a 179 min runtime. The Italian version is mostly given with 180 min or sometimes 182 min.

Cut the Cave scene out, which was maybe originally cut out between the world premiere and the theatrical release, we have a 176 min runtime which could be called the DC.  
According to a book by Oreste de Fornari  some of the other scenes (he mentions Tuco's foot bath) had also been cut after the Premiere, but were restored for a 1983 re-release.

Of these other scenes for me 2 are unnecessary:

1. The one in which Tuco asks for the way to the mission.
2. Blondy and Sentenza after they left the prison camp are disturbed in their night rest by Sentenza's men.

#1 is completely unnecessary and # 2 isn't necessary for the story, but has a funny dialogue about "counting machines". But it is shot with a bad looking day for night filter, and doesn't add anything to the characters we did not know anyway. Both together are about 3 min long.

The other 5 scenes or parts of scenes should be in imo, especially Sentenza at the ruined fort (4 min), Tuco's foot bath (2 min) and more of the drunk Captain at the bridge (beneath 1 min).

This makes a runtime of 173 min, and would be the perfect cut imo.

me three  O0


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: O'Cangaceiro on December 15, 2010, 12:10:06 PM
I'll be the dissenting voice here.  >:D


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: El Gorila on May 01, 2011, 11:39:25 AM
me three  O0

I'll make it four. This seems like a nice tight cut of the film.

I'm actualy glad that the SL used the shorter version of the canon scene.
The film was bearing down on the climax like a runaway train, and the extra bits with Tuco returning fire would have slamed the brakes on the momentum at the wrong time IMO.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Lil Brutto on August 22, 2011, 05:45:26 PM
While digging for more info/pics I came across a higher resolution image of Tuco aiming the cannon:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/trailerparkboy/tucoaimingcannon.jpg)


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Dirty Rat on August 25, 2011, 03:43:56 AM
While digging for more info/pics I came across a higher resolution image of Tuco aiming the cannon:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/trailerparkboy/tucoaimingcannon.jpg)

The honest farmer.........!  ;D


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Lil Brutto on August 25, 2011, 10:01:04 AM
Finally, someone commented on my username! I thought it was rather clever.  O0

 ;D ;D


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Dirty Rat on August 25, 2011, 01:00:22 PM
Finally, someone commented on my username! I thought it was rather clever.  O0

 ;D ;D

To be honest, what I was laughing at was the the idea of Tuco telling the sheriff that he was an honest farmer at the same time as looking at this photo of him!


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: UNKNOWN Next to Arch Stanton on January 29, 2012, 10:05:36 PM
How long was this scene?


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Dirty Rat on January 30, 2012, 07:16:52 AM
Probably about an hour!


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 06, 2012, 03:41:46 AM
here is the French trailer: the video of Tuco misfiring the cannon is at 1:39 here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_V-wR4VrAA


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Senza on February 23, 2013, 06:22:12 PM
Man, I'd be more than happy to sit down and watch a 5 hour version of this movie with scenes like this included.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: stanton on February 24, 2013, 03:06:47 AM
Me not. I'm glad that it is not in the film.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Senza on February 24, 2013, 03:14:47 AM
Not even if it was in like 2 parts?


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Dirty Rat on February 28, 2013, 06:16:13 AM
I'd definitely park my ass on the sofa with some beers and watch a 5 hour version with all of these cut bits re-added but to be honest, my favourite version is the one that I grew up with - the version that we all knew before the 2004 version with all the gunshots re-done etc......


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Senza on February 28, 2013, 06:32:49 AM
I grew up with the 161 minute version, it wasn't until last year when I decided to revisit TGTBTU [after about 8-9 years] that I watched the extended version [probably the only version I'll now watch].


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: stanton on February 28, 2013, 08:06:45 AM
Not even if it was in like 2 parts?

No.
I can't even believe that Leone actually considered to include such a jokey scene between the dying soldier and the Ecstasy of Gold scene.

And then I do think that films have a perfect length (but opinions may differ which the perfect length is), and when you make it shorter or longer the film begins to lose quality. I'm not even sure if the 161 min version isn't superior to the 174 min version, which was released theatrically in Italy (the MGM version minus the Cave scene).

The Cave scene already hurts the film a bit, as does that scene with Blondie and Sentenza at the campfire.

My preferred version (the famous Stanton cut) would run about 170 min.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 28, 2013, 09:50:01 AM
there's no doubt that some of the cuts remove pieces of the movie that are unnecessary to the story (and have no great aesthetic value either) but IMO they never should have cut  the scene of Angel Eyes at the Confederate fort. Also, I don't like the idea of cutting parts of the scenes with the drunk Union captain and under the bridge. 
btw, as it is, since they restored the missing scenes with the Union captain (where he talks about liquor being "the most potent weapon in war" and they used a new voice actor to try to copy the voice of whoever did the original English dub of Aldo Giuffre, it's sooooo obvious that it's a different voice, since it's one long scene and suddenly the voice changes. I wonder if it wouldn'y have been better for them to just use a new voice actor to completely re-dub Giuffre's scenes, so that it's all the same voice. On the one hand, that would seem to be wrong cuz you are actually changing the movie as Leone made it; on the other hand, it's not even Giuffre's voice anyway in the English dub, it's some random voice actor, who knows if Leone even chose all the English voice actors who did the dubbing for smaller characters, it was probably some United Artists exec, so is it the end of the world to have another studio exec choose a new voice actor to dub that part in 2003? i'm not sure. I guess people who grew up with the movie for all those years wouldn't like that.

I didn't see GBU until about 2009 or so, and it was the longer cut, (I still don't think I've ever watched the movie in the 161-minute cut), so of course it means something different to me than it does to people who knew and loved the shorter cut for 40 years


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Senza on February 28, 2013, 04:51:31 PM
I've never had a problem with the cave scene, I think it shows us more of Tuco's character.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Senza on February 28, 2013, 05:01:31 PM
I understand why it seemed out of place, maybe because they were used to the 161 minute version, and the different dubbing of Eli Wallach's voice 35 years later.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Senza on February 28, 2013, 05:03:10 PM
Stanton cut?


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 28, 2013, 05:12:52 PM
IMO, the issue isn't whether or not an individual viewer like the scene. The issue is whether or not Leone preferred to have it in there. If he did, it should be in there; if he didn't, then it should only be in the bonus features.


At this point, I guess you can argue that it;'s not that big a deal for me; when I watch the movie and that scene begins, I can just click "next chapter" on my remote, and get to the next scene, and that's it, done. so why make such a big deal over it. Well, what about people viewing the movie for the first time? people who shut a movie off when they don't like it? who knows how many people it can turn off from liking the movie?

I once mentioned this elsewhere but I will say it again: the first time I watched GBU (my first Leone movie; my views on movies were completely different than now, I wasn't  anything close to a cineaste, I was nothing more tha a casual movie viewer, and I had no idea about Leone), but the first half of that movie moved incredibly slowly for me. I very nearly shut if off. I think I only kept it on cuz I was waiting to hear Ecstasy of Gold! By the time I got to the end, I loved it, and became a huge Leone fan, and the rest is history. But I very nearly shut the movie off early on cuz it was moving so slowly, and I specifically remember that Cave scene. tearing my hair out, screaming "make something happen already!" yes, i specifically remember how that cave scene very nearly caused me to give up on Leone before I started. if that had happened, I'd never have watched any of his movies, never read any of Frayling's books about Leone's movie influences, which in turn caused me to starts watching all of those influences and becoming the cineaste I am today. [I am not using that term to indicate that I am anything close to a movie expert or scholar; I am using it in the sense that I am a huge movie fan and it's such a big part of my life]. Imagine how infuriated I was later when I learned that the scene that almost changed the course of my life -- no exaggeration -- was inserted my John motherfucking Jerk! Seriously, I cursed him with every social disease known to mankind.

of course, at this point, i can just forward the cave scene. actually this point, now that i know and love the movie, I always watch the cave scene, and it's funny for me! But most people who watch a movie watch it once (even if they finish it at all) and that's it. who knows how many casual viewers can get turned off by a bad scene. for John Jerk to say that even though Leone removed a scene, he decided to include it cuz he thought it would be jarring otherwise, i say that he is way overstepping his job as a restorer. fuck him and his clapped cock


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Senza on February 28, 2013, 05:19:24 PM
Even though I enjoy the cave scene [and enjoyed it the first time I saw it], I can understand where you're coming from, especially your hate towards John Kirk who thought it would be wise to try and step into the shoes of Leone and speak on behalf of him in regards to his preferred cut.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on February 28, 2013, 05:28:31 PM
Even though I enjoy the cave scene [and enjoyed it the first time I saw it], I can understand where you're coming from, especially your hate towards John Kirk who thought it would be wise to try and step into the shoes of Leone and speak on behalf of him in regards to his preferred cut.

yes, that's my point.

doesn't matter how great or terrible the Cave scene is. what matters is, you don't fuck with Leone.

Now, if Leone really preferred to have that scene in (and eg. only removed it cuz the Italian distributor wanted him to), then in that case, Jerk should have simply said so, and that would be the end of it. I'd be praising him for restoring the movie as Leone desired it.
But how the fuck he actually has the nerve to get up there and announce EVEN THOUGH LEONE REMOVED IT I AM PUTTING IT BACK IN CUZ IT'S JARRING, for that he is contemptible. And for changing the gunshots.

once Jerk starts using those words "inserting" "reinserting" and "jarring," there's a whole shitload of awful jokes I can make. But I won't cuz I don't have the time. (And cuz I am sure I have already done so)


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Groggy on February 28, 2013, 06:36:03 PM
I still refuse to watch any other than the 161 minute cut. That's a practically perfect movie.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: stanton on March 01, 2013, 02:48:03 AM
Stanton cut?

Only a joke ...

The perfect version for me. Without the cave scene, and without 2 other short scenes.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: Senza on March 01, 2013, 02:57:29 AM
Cool! I guess everyone has their own cut.
You have yours, I have mine, John Kirk has his, and so does the big man himself SL.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: dave jenkins on June 05, 2016, 11:07:46 AM
Is it possible to update the links and photos at the top of this thread that are broken or missing? Just asking . . . .


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: cigar joe on June 05, 2016, 06:40:41 PM
Is it possible to update the links and photos at the top of this thread that are broken or missing? Just asking . . . .

A lot of stuff I had on Imageshack that were posted here went South. I suppose that is what happened to some of the others.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 05, 2016, 09:51:00 PM
A lot of stuff I had on Imageshack that were posted here went South. I suppose that is what happened to some of the others.

Yeah, seems like ImageShack canceled my art links after two years. I'd probably get them back if I purchased the premium membership.

Would be great if SLWB can host pics. It would cost money, but I'd chip in and I am sure some of the other members would as well.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: noodles_leone on June 06, 2016, 06:29:06 AM
You can host images on Flickr.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: cigar joe on June 06, 2016, 05:22:04 PM
You can host images on Flickr.

I know but the laptop that had the original images went South too a long time ago. I'd have to research them all again. Hat images, redraw the maps for the GBU timeline, the maps for the Zapata Westerns Mex Rev thread.


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: drinkanddestroy on June 06, 2016, 06:22:05 PM
I know but the laptop that had the original images went South too a long time ago. I'd have to research them all again. Hat images, redraw the maps for the GBU timeline, the maps for the Zapata Westerns Mex Rev thread.

As long as you still have the username and password to that ImageShack account, shouldn't you be able to retreive the pics from the account? Even if the links don't work anymore, I'd think you should still be able to log in and retreive the pics??


Title: Re: Blondie Tuco Cannon Scene Reconstruct (note: large image file!)
Post by: cigar joe on June 06, 2016, 07:32:36 PM
As long as you still have the username and password to that ImageShack account, shouldn't you be able to retreive the pics from the account? Even if the links don't work anymore, I'd think you should still be able to log in and retreive the pics??

Oh sure I always save shit like that  ::) I'd have to try and  guess WTF I used.  ;D