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Title: Missing footage? DVD
Post by: Laika on August 02, 2005, 07:13:40 AM
Hi all,

I'm just wondering if I'm missing some footage on my FOD DVD? I'm sure in the many viewings on TV I watched over the years I remember after manko get beaten up and taken to the mine Silvanito pays him a visit with some food and gives him the .45 to practice with. On my DVD the first scene in the mine is manko shooting and Silvanito isn't seen at the mine at all. My DVD is an Australian release and run time is 95:45

Thanks   
Title: Re: Missing footage? DVD
Post by: titoli on August 02, 2005, 08:19:53 AM
The german release due in September will be 97'. I remember that scene as well and is missing from the italian dvd release.
Title: Re: Missing footage? DVD
Post by: redyred on August 02, 2005, 01:18:14 PM
That scene isn't in the old UK video release either. I've yet to see the new MGM special edition DVD
Title: Re: Missing footage? DVD
Post by: lazyranchhand on August 02, 2005, 02:56:32 PM
My DVD (UK) doesn't have that scene either!
Title: Re: Missing footage? DVD
Post by: Sanjuro on August 02, 2005, 09:32:29 PM
I never Knew such a scene existed for years! I hope upcoming revised MGM division includes that scene.

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Title: Re: Missing footage? DVD
Post by: Cusser on August 11, 2005, 09:55:35 PM
Silvanito also supplies Joe with some explosives "it's dynamite".
Title: Re: Missing footage? DVD
Post by: Concorde on August 26, 2005, 03:29:46 AM
Heeeeeyyyy!!  >:(

You guys are right! I do remember that scene, and it's not on the U.S. DVD that I bought a couple of years ago!!  [EDIT: LATER NOTE -- SEE POST BELOW -- I MAY BE WRONG ABOUT THIS; I THINK WE'RE CONFUSING TWO SEPARATE SCENES.]

I still have a copy of FISTFUL that I taped off late-night TV in 1997. I'm gonna check that and see if it's there!
Title: Re: Missing footage? DVD
Post by: cigar joe on August 26, 2005, 03:53:12 AM
Is it Silvanito or the coffin maker, I seem to remember that it was the coffin maker that brings the dynamite. He say's something like "stolen from the Rojo's, eets dynamite Joe, I theenk eets time to light eet and send eet back to them".
Title: Re: Missing footage? DVD
Post by: Cusser on August 26, 2005, 11:14:34 AM
Cigar - I believe you are correct - the coffin maker.  I haven't checked my Region 1 DVD from a few years ago to see if that's on it.
Title: Re: Missing footage? DVD
Post by: Sentenza on August 26, 2005, 12:10:25 PM
Could someone confirm this, or even better, post some screenshots of the scene in question? 8)
Title: Re: Missing footage? DVD
Post by: Jordan Krug on August 26, 2005, 12:48:36 PM
arrrrgh MGM is driving me crazy! First the issues with FAFDM, (completely out of sync - missing/trimmed footage) and now this? Why is it that the fans have to catch mistakes like this???!!! A simple look at the running time would have raised a flag. That scene is on all of the old versions, I remember it well. It better be on the new German discs.  MGM, get your act together!




Title: Re: Missing footage? DVD
Post by: Sentenza on August 26, 2005, 02:12:01 PM
It better be on the new German discs.  MGM, get your act together!

The new German discs will be released through Paramount, MGM doesn't have anything to do with it. But that doesn't mean much, as the missing scenes on the recent release of "The Genius" have shown. ::)

Can someone confirm that the scene in question is missing from the recent UK special edition by MGM?

Btw, here's a comparison chart (http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A1161271) of plot elements in Yojimbo, FOD & Last Man Standing at the BBC website. It seems to confirm the existence of said scene.
Title: Re: Missing footage? DVD
Post by: Le Bon on August 26, 2005, 03:15:38 PM
Just checked the UK SE and i'm glad to say it is on there.
Title: Re: Missing footage? DVD
Post by: Sentenza on August 26, 2005, 04:35:44 PM
Just checked the UK SE and i'm glad to say it is on there.

Thanks a lot LE BON! That should end the discussion, I suppose. Now, I just hope Paramount doesn't screw it up again. ;D
Title: Re: Missing footage? DVD
Post by: KERMIT on August 26, 2005, 10:42:44 PM
Is it Silvanito or the coffin maker, I seem to remember that it was the coffin maker that brings the dynamite. He say's something like "stolen from the Rojo's, eets dynamite Joe, I theenk eets time to light eet and send eet back to them".
i think the old coffin maker said it's time you lit the fuse and send it back. he then slaps his hads together as in we've got work to do. the old coffin maker supplys joe w/ ammo probably food and shelter not to mention news that his friend silvnito is alright.
Title: Re: Missing footage? DVD
Post by: Concorde on August 28, 2005, 07:47:06 AM
Wait!

Everybody just HANG ON A SECOND!

I think the scene is actually in all the U.S. versions, but it's in a slightly different place than we all were remembering.

I just checked my old VHS taped-off-broadcast-TV copy from the early '90s, and the sequence is in it, but it's not positioned where we all seemed to recall it. The first shot of Joe in concealment shows him firing a revolver at the metal plate. The revolver is not Joe's snake-grip Colt; it's a different gun with what looks like a longer barrel (maybe a 7.5 inch instead of his 5.5 inch model).

Then, a little bit later is a bit where the old coffin-maker arrives and tells him about the bartender being tortured in town, and there's a cutaway showing the barkeep strung up in the street. The action then returns to the cave, and the old man gives Joe his own familiar holster and gun (he says he traded two bottles of wine for the rig). The coffin-maker then hands over the dyno-mite with the suggestion that Joe "send it back" to the Rojos.

I just checked the old American DVD and all this doesappear the same way in that version after all. I was just expecting it to come before the initial sequence of Joe "regaining his aim."

Now, is there supposed to be ANOTHER scene with the barkeep (not the coffin-maker) in the cave/mine?
Title: Re: Missing footage? DVD
Post by: brewers7 on September 10, 2005, 01:33:07 AM
No, there is no scene of the barkeep in the cave...I have FOD taped from late-night cable from the 1980s and I know the scene is there with the coffin-maker giving the gun and the dynamite to "Joe" and slapping his hands together at the end of the scene as if looking forward to "Joe" taking care of the remainder of the Rojos' gang...

I do have FOD on DVD, US release, so I'll have to check and see if the scene is there or not...

If I am not mistaken though, I believe there is a little bit missing from FAFDM on the US DVD I have...It's the scene where Indio just broke out of jail, killed everyone at the jail except one final "guard"...Indio holds a gun to his head, pulls the trigger, but the chamber was empty, and Indio informs the "guard" that he will let him live to "tell everyone what took place here"...Then Indio breaks into that sick laugh right before the scene where Colonel Mortimer is watching a Sherriff put up a wanted poster for Indio...On the DVD, I believe most of that laugh was cut out and that really ticked me off...

brewers7